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Lyr Req: Preschool solstice songs

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preschool solstice songs
From: CapriUni
Date: 20 Dec 01 - 07:56 PM

hey, waiddaminute! Why didn't the blue clickie things show up? I cut'n' pasted from the "Blickie form" I've used before... didn't I?

hmmm...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preschool solstice songs
From: CapriUni
Date: 20 Dec 01 - 01:21 PM

a blue clickie for the Witchvox site I love Witchvox!

and for the Greenbook site

Also, check out "The Holly and the Ivy" in the digitrad. That's a traditional carol that contains elements of both the Christian and Pagan Holy days...

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preschool solstice songs
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 20 Dec 01 - 06:42 AM

Ummm, Liza, do I know you??? I bet I do!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preschool solstice songs
From: GUEST,McMartin
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 11:38 PM

This was my main source
http://www.locksley.com/greenbook/

We used them at the pre-school until it was shut down for improprieties, such as they be, deemed by the authorities.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preschool solstice songs
From: GUEST,Liza C
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 10:49 PM

I don't know how to post a link but that's the address anyway...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preschool solstice songs
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 10:47 PM

Heya I checked out some of those links, MMArio, that was an interesting trip! Some good articles in there dealing with the mixing of the pagan and christian celebrations...http://www.witchvox.com/holidays/yule/yule97_1.html And the carol of the bells link was equally interesting. What do you all do for a living? thanks for your brainpower! cheers Liza C


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preschool solstice songs
From: GUEST,BigDaddy
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 12:00 AM

That was quick! The VHS I mentioned contains four "Little Bear" episodes and is titled, ""Little Bear - Winter Tales." The episode I mentioned is contained on this tape and is titled, "Winter Solstice." It's available at a number of retailers for $9.95. Probably at the library as well.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preschool solstice songs
From: GUEST,BigDaddy
Date: 18 Dec 01 - 11:53 PM

"To Drive The Cold Winter Away" is good though perhaps a bit involved and lengthy for that age. If you can get hold of a VHS or DVD of one of the "Little Bear" TV shows there's a simple song which goes, "The snow is cold, the snow is new. Little Bear loves the Winter and I do too." Just change the name each time around. Simple tune and a really lovely little episode celebrating the season without religion (these are forest animals doing the celebrating). I'll see if I can find a title for the episode. Off the top of my head I would think Vince Guaraldi's "Christmastime is Here" would work if you change it to "Wintertime." Good luck. I spent a lot of time trying to find childrens' books which dealt with spirituality without espousing a particular dogma and had little success.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preschool solstice songs
From: CapriUni
Date: 18 Dec 01 - 08:57 PM

Nicole --

Those words to "Carol of the Bells" are the English words -- and they're not a translation (A true translation of the lyrics wouldn't even come close to scanning).

It is a wonderful song, but it's a bit complicated to sing for a pre-school concert, since it's a quodlibet for two voices.

There's a webpage for the song, with a brief history, two versions of English lyrics, and the real translation of the lyrics here, for those who are interested...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preschool solstice songs
From: MMario
Date: 18 Dec 01 - 08:53 PM

a few here - a lot of the sites I had bookmarked are defunct.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preschool solstice songs
From: Snuffy
Date: 18 Dec 01 - 08:42 PM

I thought Hal an Tow was for May Day, not the Solstice

Hal an tow, jolly rumbelow
We were up long before the day-o
To welcome in the summer time
To welcome in the May-o
For summer is a-coming in
And winter's gone away-o.

WassaiL! V


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Subject: Lyr Add: CAROL OF THE BELLS
From: NicoleC
Date: 18 Dec 01 - 08:21 PM

Found them:

"Carol of the Bells"

Hark how the bells, sweet silver bells
All seem to say "throw cares away".
Yuletide is here, bringing good cheer
To one and all, meek and the bold.
Ding dong, ding dong, that is their song
With joyful ring, all caroling.
One seems to hear words of good cheer
From everywhere, filling the air.
Oh, how they pound, raising their sound
O'er hill and dale, telling their tale.
Gaily they ring, while people sing
Songs of good cheer, Yuletide is here.
Merry, merry, merry, merry Yuletide.
Ding dong, ding dong, bom!

(line breaks added by a Joeclone)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preschool solstice songs
From: NicoleC
Date: 18 Dec 01 - 08:14 PM

Hmmm... the tune to "Carol of the Bells" is based on a pre-Christian Ukranian solstice song. I can't help you with the original lyrics, though.

What about "Deck the Halls?"


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preschool solstice songs
From: Ned Ludd
Date: 18 Dec 01 - 08:06 PM

O.k. so I misinterpreted your initial post. kids should be encouraged to sing. I guess I have just been soured by hearing people who own a belief because that was the way they were 'brought up' My apologies. The only song I can think of would be Hal an tow.which is in the digitrad.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preschool solstice songs
From: GUEST,Liza C
Date: 18 Dec 01 - 07:21 PM

Ned Ludd, what does "they do it so I can" mean? yes i did use up and coming pagans, and I suppose I should have been more careful. In the future I will be.

heck-- I grew up with plenty of Christmas songs, and I don't deny these children any of that. Those tunes are the easy ones to find. I loved the yearly showing of Frosty the Snowman (with Burl Ives as narrator) and those silly snowmen gliding across the snow...(does this date me?)

This is simply a celebration of solstice. I want young kids to find more meaning, find it sooner than I did, and look deeper than the typical.

Animaterra , thanks for the Allouette Iselin song, that'll work well. CapriUno and MMArio, I would be really interested in anything you found along those lines. Thanks for your help!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preschool solstice songs
From: CapriUni
Date: 18 Dec 01 - 06:32 PM

MMArio -- could you post some links to some of those songs you've found? Maybe someone here *does* know the tunes, and, if they saw the lyrics could make midis for them

Heck I might know one or two...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preschool solstice songs
From: MMario
Date: 18 Dec 01 - 06:21 PM

I can't blame ANYONE these days for looking for non-commercial songs to teach pre-schoolers.

I've seen a lot of short, simple Solstice type lyrics on various pages - but virtually none of them have tune indications or midi's or abc's or sheet music. which means unless you can find someone who knows them it's kinda hard to learn them.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preschool solstice songs
From: CapriUni
Date: 18 Dec 01 - 06:11 PM

Liza C-- I was going to ask earlier, but my 'puter froze up before I could hit the submit button --

Is this an actual class of pre-school Neo-Pagans?

(Every Pagan function I go to these days has parents with young children and babies on hips, so it is certainly possible, especially if this is a home-schooling thing, and now that I think about it, these young'uns derserve little carols for themselves, too! Maybe I'll write something -- not enough time for your thing, though)

Or did you mean "Pagan" in the more general non-religious-honoring-Nature sort of way?

I think your last reply tells me that it's the latter... but in any case, little kids like the familiar -- stuff they already know (they've only known it for a few years, after all!), so I'd stick with the winter songs they know already (jingle bells, etc.) Mother Goose rhymes are good -- maybe "Eensy Weensy Spider" (??) for the return of the sun... Also, songs like that -- with body movements -- help channel the fidget energy

If you yourself are Pagan, I can understand how you yourself might feel uncomfortable singing a religious message you don't believe in (or even a "commercial" message in songs like Frosty the Snowman and Rudolf the Red-nosed Reindeer), and kids can pick up on that...

So I dunno....


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preschool solstice songs
From: Ned Ludd
Date: 18 Dec 01 - 05:44 PM

They do it so I can? Pre-school children should be allowed to grow up and then they can decide if they need a religion. teach about the seasons by all means. It was you who used the phrase 'up and coming Pagans'


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preschool solstice songs
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 01 - 05:14 PM

As in: am I only looking for pagan songs to indoctrinate these helpless little children? Or is there such a thing as "open mind songs" --perhaps I shouldn't attempt to understand what you mean...

Personally, I find that celebrating the seasons with children is far more important than celebrating the Christian holidays, (do they need much help here?) and if I can tie in the pre-christian (why pre-?) with this mad dash towards christmas then maybe some of it will make sense. A thanks towards the earth. A sense of the cycle of things. A looking around us.

I'm sorry-- have I over reacted??

Liza


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preschool solstice songs
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 18 Dec 01 - 05:12 PM

"Candles keep us from the dark
And fire from the cold
Good friends, good food, and music
Are light for the soul." (by Alouette Iselin)

Also, This Little Light of Mine


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preschool solstice songs
From: Ned Ludd
Date: 18 Dec 01 - 04:31 PM

What about open mind songs?


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Subject: Preschool solstice songs
From: GUEST,Liza C
Date: 18 Dec 01 - 04:26 PM

Hi everybody-- I have often perused your forum and found many funny (and helpful) things here...so now I ask you wise mudcatters this: I'm putting on a (short) simple show at my daughters preschool, (just voice and guitar) and while I know a few good songs, the kids are from 2- 5. I don't want to go over their heads and they need to sing along or I am lost as they begin to wriggle and twitch. Anybody got any winners for the wee set of up and coming pagans?? thanks for any and all of your thoughts... Liza C.


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