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COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey

catspaw49 18 Nov 01 - 03:15 PM
Sorcha 18 Nov 01 - 03:21 PM
GUEST 18 Nov 01 - 03:50 PM
catspaw49 18 Nov 01 - 04:01 PM
Jeri 18 Nov 01 - 04:16 PM
DougR 18 Nov 01 - 04:17 PM
katlaughing 18 Nov 01 - 04:31 PM
Cllr 18 Nov 01 - 05:11 PM
GUEST,Paul 18 Nov 01 - 05:30 PM
SINSULL 18 Nov 01 - 06:37 PM
SINSULL 18 Nov 01 - 06:39 PM
Rick Fielding 18 Nov 01 - 06:46 PM
catspaw49 18 Nov 01 - 07:08 PM
GUEST 18 Nov 01 - 07:10 PM
MMario 18 Nov 01 - 07:41 PM
Bat Goddess 18 Nov 01 - 07:44 PM
Mark Cohen 18 Nov 01 - 08:11 PM
Celtic Soul 18 Nov 01 - 08:37 PM
GUEST,Lyle 18 Nov 01 - 09:03 PM
Micca 18 Nov 01 - 09:03 PM
DougR 18 Nov 01 - 09:23 PM
wysiwyg 18 Nov 01 - 09:31 PM
GUEST,John Gray / Australia 18 Nov 01 - 09:40 PM
kendall 18 Nov 01 - 10:26 PM
CarolC 18 Nov 01 - 10:27 PM
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Subject: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 03:15 PM

Okay, it goes like this. Michael has a coupon for a free meal at BurgerKing for his birthday. We're going into town tonight and we'll stop and eat. We discussed just going to B-K and all of us eating, but anymore, neither Karen nor I can stand any of their food....and I use the term food loosely.

The kids like to play at the B-K playground, but I (and Karen) prefer the food from Wendy's or any number of others (not Mickey D's). I suggested we make two stops and bring the food all home with us and eat here.

Karen suggested we buy our meals at Wendy's (or wherever) and take them in to the B-K where we can order the kid;'s meals and we can all eat and the kids can play.

ETHICS: I can't do that. I mean really.....I can't take the food from one place and eat it at another even though we are purchasing food at that place too. I dunno' something is wrong with doing that in my mind.....but I could be wrong. Karen contends that the teeny-boppers who work at the B-K could care less and she is probably right! It's just that somewhere in my mind, it ain't the right the to do.

Karen finds it hilarious that I can embarass us on a regular basis by just being me and asking wacky questions, etc. No reverence for anything at all! But here in this case I seem to be too embarassed to eat Wendy's at the B-K. We have decided to bring the whole mess home and get heartburn within the confines of our own home, so the point is moot.....But we're both curious?

Would you eat Wendy's at B-K? And for the assholes who ask why this is posted here.........Fuck-off.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: Sorcha
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 03:21 PM

I've done it quite a few times. I think as long as you are buying food at the "carry in place" it is OK. I wouldn't do it at real restaurants, though. I agree, fast food is just not really food. (I eat it though)


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 03:50 PM

Jeez, catspaw49,

This really worries you?

Yet you have little difficulty writing offensive messages here (which although done in jest, do occasionally upset people)

In answer to your question - do it! - and don't feel bad

This is the least 'moral' moral dilemma I have ever seen.

What was that wing in your hospital, named after James Taylor?

May I respectfully suggest a little time there???


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 04:01 PM

Well Guest, that's Karen's point. I have no trouble ragging on yself and everybody else and embarassing the hell out of everyone around just to get a laugh.

And I have no idea why this bothers me......Who cares about a bunch of fast food chains right? Yeah.....but for some reason it bothers me to do this. Yeah, the NYCFTTS has bed open and I may need it.

On the other hand, I never said it was the world's greatest moral problem now did I? Just curious...

Spaw


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: Jeri
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 04:16 PM

I agree with you, Spaw. It's like taking your own bottle into a bar.

Of course, Karen's probably right about the staff not caring less.

May I respectfully suggest you buy the BK meal and the Wendy's meals, and take them into an upscale restaurant or coffee bar. Or stand outside in front of the window and eat them where people can watch lettuce drop to the ground and variously-colored liquid substances drip down your arms.


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: DougR
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 04:17 PM

Well, Spaw, you asked. I would't do it. So now Karen will hate me. **SOB!**

DougR


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 04:31 PM

I wouldn't, but I never go inside one of those places to eat, so if I want something from one and Rog wants something from another, we just do the driveup, split half of it up for the dog and take it home or to a park or somewhere.

I think it goes against the manners we were raised with, not that THOSE matter too much anymore**BG**, but still there's a little mother inside our brain saying "that is NOT the polite way to act!" **BG**


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: Cllr
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 05:11 PM

As much as I hate fast food I also don't have kids,and I am guessing that my views might change when (or if) I am ever confronted by such a choice. I know I would feel uncomfortable taking food from one place and then eating it at another and a lot of places have signs up forbidding that sort of thing. It is, I suppose, not the done thing and if it bothered me as much as it seems to worry you I would probably go for a chicken fillet which is pretty much the same thing in any fast food place. Cllr


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: GUEST,Paul
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 05:30 PM

To me, this is a strand of a wider ethical issue.

Such behavior is morally OK if it does not cause the company / people concerned a lack of income.

Two examples:

I download copyrighted mp3 files sometimes. However, if I like them, I buy the CD. If I don't I soon delete them - I'd have never bought that CD anyway

I use a lot of illegal software. I'm interested in software. I make no money from it, and if I had to pay for the software, I'd do without. My usage of the software doesn't deny the company a sale.

So, as far as I'm concerned, eating Wendy's at Burger King isn't a problem, as they've not lost a thing through your action. In fact they've gained your childrens' trade...

Hope this makes sense

Paul


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: SINSULL
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 06:37 PM

Spaw,
You never cease to amaze me! You have no qualms about strolling into a Burger King and farting loudly and longly making it near impossible for anyone within ten feet of you to continue eating BUT you can't bring a rival burger into one. In my neighborhood, I see people refilling competitive cups at the "all you can drink" soda bar!
Now! Either join Michael in his birthday Burger King on site or bring in your contraband and let him have his birthday burger ON SITE. St. Damn Capslock! is about to lose patience with you!
Happy Birthday Michael!
Aunt SINSULL


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: SINSULL
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 06:39 PM

Come to think of it, make a big show eating rival burgers at BK's. Michael will probably enjoy seeing you get thrown out.A real Kodak Moment for the little guy.


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 06:46 PM

Catspaw, you are one sad pissant.

On the other hand, I TOO embarrass my wife in public just by being me.

My suggestion: cut back on the meds* and be really glad that you don't have a Macdonald's near you. Actually be even gladder that you live in the States where there are SOME decent cheapo restaurants. I'd kill for a REAL Ponderosa in Toronto!

*or double them

Rick (proud to insult you while under my REAL name)


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 07:08 PM

Geez. am I ever takin' a beating here!

Sins dear, your comments regarding refills are not relevant as you live in Nu Yawk. And though I may rip a few in the B-K or the MickeyD's, it's after and not before! I generally never have a Big Mac attack until AFTER I've eaten one.

And after such gross insults from my former friend Rick, I won't tell him that we have TWO real Ponderosas within 15 minutes of home. Regarding the closest McDonald's and Burger King, they are right next door to each other......

I solved the "Great Moral Dilemna" tonight by going to Wendy's and bringing it all back home (including the Frosties) and promising Mikey that he and I would hit the B-K by ourselves this week since he is out of school after Monday. Everyone happy.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 07:10 PM

so ended what might have been quite an interesting discussion...


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: MMario
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 07:41 PM

'spaw - not sure what local health regs are in ahiah - but in many states it would not be LEGAL for you to bring prepared food purchased in one establishment into another. One restaurant I worked in got into a BIG legal hassle when a mother brought in a Mickie D's happy meal for one of her children and a health inspector walked in and spotted it on the table. AND the liability was on the restaraunt - not the customer.


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 07:44 PM

S'paw -- I agree with you on all of your points (Mickey D's has one edible item, the fries, and they're very tasty, actually), but sometimes it's not a matter of ethics. In some states it is ILLEGAL to bring food/drink into a restaurant. So check out local regulations. You might get those poor clueless minimum wagers in deep doo-doo if you bring something you can actually stomach into the free-meal restaurant.

Bat Goddess


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 08:11 PM

Ah, there's no place like America! It's legal to own an AK-47, but illegal to bring a bag of food from Wendy's into Burger King.

Which reminds me of Ewan MacColl's song, called, interestingly enough, Legal-Illegal. There--I love turning a BS thread into a legitimate musical one!

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: Celtic Soul
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 08:37 PM

LOL!!!

This place is a hoot!

As for the dilemma? Hmmmm....I guess this is just gonna have to be one of those "follow your own conscience" things. We all have these sorts of dilemmas. Both the serious sorts, and the little quirky weird ones.

I feel really embarrased buying feminine products...sheesh, I even have a hard time typing the name here. Yes, I mean Kotex and the like. Many times, I ask my honey to do it for me. Poor thing! How's that for weird? :D


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: GUEST,Lyle
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 09:03 PM

Spaw: I'm with you - to me it is downright rude to take food from one place and eat it at another. My take is that I am a guest in the place I eat, just as I am a guest in your home if I were there for a meal. I would never embarrass you by bringing in lunch from somewhere else if I had been invited to eat with you!

One other thing is that I perceive it as a slap-in-the-face of the people at the place I bring the food into - and I personally don't like to treat people that way.

That is only my view YMMV, and I hold no beliefs that my way is the only way.

Lyle


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: Micca
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 09:03 PM

Spaw, I wouldnt either....and I understand the safety/legal argument used above, and why it applies( I am fairly up to speed with British Health and Safety legislation), but I would be very uncomfortable taking food from another place, or from home into a place that sells food unless it specifically said it was OK to do so.. mostly for the same reasons given above, and if it makes me uncomfortable, I wont do it, BTW Happy Birthday to the OTHER MP!!!!


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: DougR
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 09:23 PM

Celtic Soul: Kotex? I don't think my wife ever bought a box after she married me! Who bought it? Me! Grumble, bitch, moan, groan.

DougR


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: wysiwyg
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 09:31 PM

Spaw Rule #1: READ THE WHOLE THREAD

WYSIWYG Rule # 1 MAKE UP OWN RULES

Spaw, this one's easy-- let him go with some other loving, interested, BK-biting adult!

You know-- he gets a break from old mom and dad? Mom and dad get a break too?? (Date????)

~Susan


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: GUEST,John Gray / Australia
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 09:40 PM

Well it seems like I parallel you on this one Spaw. I do all kinds of ridiculous things in public, just to put a smile on the miserable folks faces, but I couldn't take food from one outlet and consume it at another more than I could fly to the moon. In trying to analyse why, all I can come up with is - that it wouldn't be right.
I guess it's all a matter of standards and how far we go to maintain them. I keep getting into trouble for opening car doors for women. Some of them give me the foulest of looks and some even comment that, you don't have to do that for me, to which I reply, madam, I didn't do it for you - I did it for me. It is my standard that I am maintaining.

JG/FME


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: kendall
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 10:26 PM

Taking kids to BK or McDonalds is child abuse to me. However, I am with Spaw here. I wouldn't do it. It's not about THEM, it's about YOU! It's like people who think it's ok to steal from a big company and would not think of stealing from an individual. A thief is a thief. Period. It's not the act, it's the principal. If you take something that is not yours, every time you look into a mirror, you are going to see a thief.


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 10:27 PM

I've done it. On occasions when my son wanted to eat at one of those places, but they didn't serve anything for people who don't eat meat. If they want to be too rude to serve food I can eat, I don't mind being rude enough to bring some of my own. I didn't know it was illegal.


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 11:01 PM

Don't they sell chips/french fries, Carol? Or maybe they fry in animal oils? Not that is much of a meal anyway.

As for spaws question: I am one of the ones who would feel it wrong.

Jon


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 11:05 PM

You're right Jon, fries don't make much of a meal, and animal oil and/or beef flavoring is a big problem with many of those places.


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 11:20 PM

Anyone who would post such drivel obviously does not have any sense of the redeaming social graces.

Take your grease, eat where you please.

When the managment asks why you are using their facility? Tell them toFUCK OFF!

didn't you die or something, not too long ago?


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: GUEST,Murray1927
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 11:41 PM

Would it help if you ordered your beverege from the second place? The sodas can't be much different from place to place. So in a way, you're paying for your seat.


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: MudGuard
Date: 19 Nov 01 - 02:37 AM

I didn't know that "Fast Food" and "Ethics" would go together in one sentence.

I'd never do it as I do not eat at any of these fast food places (where I see "Fast Food" as an oxymoron as it is no food).

But even if I did eat this stuff, I'd feel wrong bringing it from one of these food hells to another.

Katlaughing, it is bad enough to eat the stuff yourself, but giving it to a dog - are there no laws against "cruelty against animals" in the US?

MudGuard (who likes to have real food - and lots of it)


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: BlueJay
Date: 19 Nov 01 - 03:52 AM

Spaw- You are right, IMO. I'd solve the dilemma by eating wherever the hell I wanted, since I am the paying adult. I'd negotiate with Katherine and Kristine, in their snot-sleeved shirts and socks that would make even you turn pale. I'd explain that once we were done eating, we would go to BK where they could torment younger children at will.

If it were me, I'd dutifully stand in line while my kids played, and order a styrofoam of water. Got to throw them a bone, and you and your family would be history after that. It wouldn't be too hard to slip a Taco Bell bag past the Whopper folks. It's unlikely, since in my experience, they can't even make a plain cheeseburger for my Katherine- spelled meat and cheese only- no mustard, ketchup etc. Not long ago I made a point of telling the person twice, (at McDonalds)-"OK, I'm telling you again because you always get it wrong. Meat and cheese only". And guess what? They got it wrong. Pickles, mustard, the whole bit. I really had fun trying to embarass them in front of the other customers in line, but I just got blank stares. Frustrating.

When I read the thread title, I assumed it was going to be about the alleged ethics of the fast food industry itself. I was prepared to launch into my praises of the Ronald McDonald house, who so generously put up my family in grand style when my very premature grandson was born six years ago. We'd have been fucked without them, (and the neonatal ICU at Memorial Hospital in Colorado Springs). Excellent outcome.

The nearest fast food to me is 20 miles. The nearest McDonalds is 40 miles. (Funny how this shit gets more appealing the further you live from it). I still slip a buck or two into the can whenever I visit McDonalds, in spite of their otherwise bright employees corrupted by their workplace.

But I basically agree with you, Spaw. Taking fast food from one place to another is crossing the lines of civility. BlueJay


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 19 Nov 01 - 10:31 AM

BlueJay, I'll agree with you about the Ronald McDonald House. Living one hour from Children's Hospital in Louisville (the referral hospital for the entire region) I've known two family members and one friend who used the House for staying near the hospital when they had premature babies. For those of you unfamiliar with it, it's usually a large house near the hospital where families of seriously ill children can stay free. There is something very comforting about staying in a "home" atmosphere with other parents of hospitalized children. Since these families are usually many miles from home and have to stay in a strange city for an extended period of time, the savings in living expenses are substantial. I've had some people stay at my house just so others would have room to stay at the Ronald McDonald House.

As far as fast food, we would always park the car between Taco Bell and White Castle so half of us could get tacos (my half) and the other half could get the famous gut burgers. I've been known to take a drink from one restaurant into a different one, but I'm usually sitting with someone who orders something where we are.


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: Amos
Date: 19 Nov 01 - 12:20 PM

Ya gotta know life is good when this is the kind ofdillemma we have to deal with, right?

Wish someone tole me when we licked all the other issues that useta be sorta higher up -- meaning of life, destiny o' the species, man's inhumanity to man, and such like.

I woulda celbrated. Guess we must be making really good progress, huh?

Spaw, your personal integrity alarm has certain taken enough abuse, and you were right to listen to it instead of caving in.

A


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Nov 01 - 12:25 PM

It's bad marketing (for the second place) to allow bags from the first place to be seen on the tables at the other. If you want to be nice to that other place, get some extra To Go bags and transfer your stuff before displaying it on the tables. I don't think the legal people will be after you in either case, don't they have real criminals to catch?


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Nov 01 - 02:33 PM

Well, I thank you one and all for perceptive answers to this burning issue. Life is hard and the choices we make affect a lot of horsemeat beef.

John Gray, you did hit a nerve. For however outrageously I may act or speak to gain attention/embarass people or whatever, as kat pointed out, there is my Mom's voice saying telling me to do the "right" thing when it comes to manners, ie; doors, greetings, etc. I suppose it's why people meeting me wonder that I'm reasonably polite (Bert asked if I was sure I was the same Spaw). There's a time and a place for everything. I am the same person he knows on the threads, but I have no bone to pick.

Now that this world challenge has been put to rest, I think we need to take on more earth-shattering issues such as "Why, upon entering a library, do I have to fart?"

Spaw


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Nov 01 - 02:52 PM

I can't believe I read the whole thing!


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Nov 01 - 03:13 PM

(it's simple, 'spaw...just take copies of Aristotle's "Ethics", Kant's "Fundamental Principles of the Metaphysic of Morals", and maybe some Schopenhauer and J.S. Mill with you everywhere you go...then you can look up the correct behavior, and if the decision upsets the people running the fast food joint, show 'em the book!)


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: Hollowfox
Date: 19 Nov 01 - 03:32 PM

There's one point that's been missed here...what is being presented to Michael and his brother as the right thing to do. Whether or not the gumsnappers behind the counter care, whether or not the health inspector comes by, these are beside the point. If the boys are shown questionable behavior (for lack of a better term here) as the norm, the civil quality of life goes down another small notch. IMHO
As for the second question, 'Spaw, I don't know. I won't mind if you float a biscuit in my library as long as you promise to do the same in the scented candle section of a swanky gift shop, or any other place those olfactory abominations seem to be springing up.


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 19 Nov 01 - 04:26 PM

Here's an easy way to settle the question: simply ASK the manager whether s/he would mind if you brought "foreign" food into their restaurant.


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 19 Nov 01 - 04:37 PM

Here's another possible solution: Is there a mall nearby with a food court? I mean, an area where several different establishments (mostly fast food, but some faster than others) each sell food at their own separate counters, but they share the area where customers sit. I've also seen this kind of setup in airports. This kind of place is great for families with a variety of tastes in food.


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: SINSULL
Date: 19 Nov 01 - 05:32 PM

Now for the ultimate ethics question: Given that I have a cold that is fast becoming a permanent part of my personality, given that my father, just out of the hospital, won't be coming for Thanksgiving dinner and for the first time in years, all the other assorted relatives are spending Thanksgiving hunting, given that I may very well have to cook a huge meal for just me and my son...am I a total failure as a mother for suggesting that I roast a small turkey for sandwiches and plan on dinner out?

My sone doesn't think so but I am having a guilt attack.


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Nov 01 - 06:21 PM

I'm with your son good Momma. The only reason to do a turkey to begin with is for the leftover dishes......Turkye Pie, Kentucky Hot Brown, Turkey and Noodles.........BTW Sins, Michael is helping me prepare T-Day dinner this year. This guarantees he gets Turkey Pie on his birthday so he's all for it. We just passed the 'bug' around here too.....Karen was off two days even.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: Jeri
Date: 19 Nov 01 - 06:53 PM

My mom used to make turkey croquettes, and I LOVE them...despite the fact that's what she was making when I stuck my finger in the meat grinder at the age of 3. No croquettes that year.

SINSULL, my mother went to turkey breast when it was just her and me. We had cornish game hens for a couple of years, and that sort of became traditional. Your son is probably counting on some type of turkey, though. If your he's ok with a restaurant - go for it.


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: Amos
Date: 19 Nov 01 - 08:46 PM

Sheeshe!! How old is this boyoi? Couldn't he hop on a bike or take a bus to the Deli?

A


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: WyoWoman
Date: 19 Nov 01 - 11:02 PM

I guess no one wants to hear my rant about fast food and/or commercially raised beef and poultry? How about a good pep talk for buying locally grown organic produce? About the boycott of Taco Bell because of the maltreatment of the migrant workers picking their tomatoes, huh? Don't suppose I could convince you to take a picnic made from actual healthful food to the park and let the children play on the playground equipment there? That would reinforce an entirely different set of values.

Maybe the entire question is begging some larger issues. Besides, you could fart your heart out at the park. (Come to think of it, that has a sort of song-like feel to it. Mudcateers? Another song challenge?)

Sorry to come off like a crackpot, Spaw. Been reading a lot lately ...

PansyRue


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: GUEST,BigDaddy
Date: 19 Nov 01 - 11:20 PM

Buy your food (?) where you want, eat it where you want and the heck with analyzing it. But what is Kentucky Hot Brown?


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: 53
Date: 20 Nov 01 - 08:03 PM

i don't know about the ethics, but wendy's has the best food of the big 3. BOB


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: GUEST,PoohBear
Date: 20 Nov 01 - 11:28 PM

Spaw, et. al.; thanks for a good laugh. I probably wouldn't take food from one "establishment" into another. Just not done, you know. And Sinsull, my vote is for dinner out, relax and enjoy yourself. Cook turkey and other stuff later if you really like it and want to have it around. It's best as leftovers, anyway, IMNSHO. Cheers, PB


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Nov 01 - 11:38 PM

CATSPAW49

No matter how you cut it.

You are married to a woman who does not have your refined sense of ethics.

DIVORCE THE BITCH

And do what YOU KNOW IS RIGHT!!!


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Subject: RE: COMPLETE BS--Fast Food Ethics-Survey
From: SharonA
Date: 21 Nov 01 - 04:06 PM

Catspaw, I would have said "take the food wherever you want" until the point was made about health inspectors, so I'll have to agree with those who advocate doing the polite thing, as grating as that may be. Of course, these days, if you brought a "foreign" bag of food into an eatery, you might be hauled away as a suspected terrorist before you had a chance to show anyone that all you brought in were Biggie Fries!

This would all be a moot point if Wendy's would "get with the program" and erect playgrounds at their restaurants, as McD's and BK do, particularly the indoor playgrounds for year-round clambering.


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