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Subject: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 03:55 AM

Got to hear one of these played the other night and got up close and personal with it afterwards. It came from Hawaii, I think from Rainsong Graphite Guitars. Anyway, I thought it was amazing. It seemed a little too shiny and showy for a mostly Irish and Scottish folk concert, but I gradually got used to it and was amazed at the sound and that it was made of graphite!

Ken Willson told me he almost was ready to use only it on tour and keep his very nice Martin strictly for studio recording work, because no matter the weather, temps, etc. the graphite always stayed in tune. They are on the road constantly, doing a lot of school programs, then adult concerts in the evenings wherever they go. He had a heck of time keeping his Martin happy that night because of the heat up on stage.

Anyway, it was very pretty up close and sounded great. I was amazed (did I already say that?:-) Just wondering if any of you have given them a try and what you think.

kat


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 04:24 AM

........oh, this is gonna' be good...............I'll just grab a drink and be sittin' over in the corner..................

Spaw

(I kinda' like 'em....nice sound)


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 04:55 AM

It has to be Brazilian graphite, right? 3H for hard rock? Do they leave black marks on your white shirt? Well, if a plastic Macaferri was good enough for Django....
RtS (who knows less about musical instruments [and, let's face it, music] than any other Mudcatter, but still reads these instrument thread, sad or what?!)


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 05:05 AM

like the ovations and adamas before them the graphites will become 'road standard' utilitarian guitars. they do sound good for what they are, but it's still a synthetic sound when compared to a lowden, martin or old gibson. The overtones and acoustic properties of solid wood are impossible to reproduce. imho they are going to revolutionize the industry, roadwise...and this is a good thing. It's very difficult to become emotionally attached to something not made of organic material. so, we wont worry as much when sending the graphites through baggage. It's just a matter of time before you see all the stringed, fretted instruments have a graphite representative. As the technology improves the prices will drop and tradition will adapt. As my musical endeavors will have me on the road in the near distant I welcome a solid alternative. The aforementioned Ovations along with the Takamines and Taylors in vogue of late among road dogs will, gradually be replaced as soon as affordable knockoffs are made. Seems the main advantage is that the top can be made very thin to improve vibration w/o sacrificing strength. More projection/volume. Anyway, time will tell, yes?


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: mooman
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 06:09 AM

In answer to Roger's question, there are indeed many graphites suitable for instrument making. Below is an abbreviated list of some of the graphites commercially available.

Graphite, True Central American (Graphitus graphitus)
Graphite, African (Carbonus psuedographitus) Graphite, Bastard (Psuedographitus nilpater)
Graphite, False (Psuedographitus psuedographitus)
Graphite, Heavy african (Carbonus wezatunnus)
Graphite, Honduras (Graphitus graphitus)
Graphite, Jamaica (Graphitus noshecameofherownaccordus)
Graphite, Sapele (Psuedographitus cheapus)
Graphite, Curly (Graphitus koa ssp. Hawaiensis)
Graphite, Birdseye (Graphitus saccharographicus)

Of these, most reputable graphite instrument makers will of course stick with the genuine Graphitus graphitus using only high-grade aeronautical adhesives although the Curly and Birdseye graphites are beginning to find favour at the high end of the market but are rather expensive.

It is very important to avoid the use of some so-called "graphites", often of Far Eastern origin, which unscrupulous suppliers will often try to pass off as the real thing. Examples include:

"Graphite, Taiwanese" (Plasticus flexibilis)
"Graphite, Chinese" (Notonus sinensis)

I would not recommend these for instrument making.

I hope this is helpful.

mooman


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: Mike Byers
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 06:56 AM

I got some literature on Rainsong guitars a couple of years ago. They looked interesting and I'd like to try one, but they were way beyond my price range. As I remember from my days of working for an engineering company, the tooling and equipment to make things out of graphite composite has to be precise and is fairly expensive, and as far as I know this is still the case. So I'd expect, at least as far as good-quality guitars go, any graphite composite guitar would be fairly expensive. Hmmm...with a Rainsong guitar and Elixir strings you might well be able to play under water. A whole new genre!


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: Allan C.
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 07:08 AM

Personally, of all that I have tried so far, I much prefer the combination of real wood and graphite. A few days ago I had the opportunity to use the American Faber Castell. The qualities of the Faber Castell seem to me to be so much like those of the Dixon Ticonderoga 2H, with which I am most familiar, as to make it difficult to tell them apart except by close inspection.

I urge you, though, to seek out some of the lesser known brands to compare. I have found that the Musgraves and Tennessees are every bit as well made and produce all that you would want or expect from the more famous ones.


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 07:23 AM

And moo, let's not forget to be envronmentally correct here and do what we can to protect the earth as well as have a graphite supply for years to come. I think that there is very litle difference in sound between most of them and the demand for Brazilian graphite (Graphexotica bullshiticus) is simply ridiculous.

Also, a lot of makers are having excellent results with graphite laminates and the guitars with solid tops and laminate backs and sides are really pretty decent and when "blind" tested are pretty indistiguishable from the ones with solid back and sides. This is of course based on all things being equal which they rarely are. The tiniest i byte glitch in the mix vat computer will result in some very "plastic" sounding instruments.

Additionally, the big makers have turned back to the more traditional Epoxy adhesives and away from the Cyanoacrylics. I know there is still some warm feelings when I mix up some WEST System Epoxy and that warm smell as it catalytically reacts gives you the real feeling of craftmanship. Plus, Epoxy transfers sound better.

Always be sure to compare and go for the sound you like. If you do Bluegrass, you're going to be a lot more satisfied with Graphitea boomintwangea but it's not nearly as good for a finger style. Never compare styrofoam to latex, if you know what I mean.

I have heard that a few are exploring some alternative materials for guitar building with some initial success being found by using trees cut at funny angles to enhance the grain characteristics. Trees are a renewable resource and biodegradable as well and the sound isn't bad, but maybe with some work and research, it will improve up to the point of at least the lesser graphites within a few years. The tree made guitars I've seen have a lot imperfections in grain and appearance, lacking the sheen and perfect finish of graphite, but I figure we can get used to it.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: Troll
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 07:55 AM

REAL Guitars are made of WOOD!. (except electrics which din't count.)
That said, I own a couple of Ovations which I use for travel or bad weather festivals. When I was in a jug band, I used a resonator guitar (national).
The graphites are ok, but I prefer wood and would spend my money that way.

troll


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: Mooh
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 08:12 AM

PMPL (pissed my pants laughing).

Off to do the laundry, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: Fortunato
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 08:51 AM

"When the rednecks rush the stage, tear down the chickenwire and hurl themselves at the band because they have failed to "play Porter Wagoner", I'd prefer to have a Rainsong Guitar. The tensile strength of the woven graphite is far superior to spruce and rosewood and will bust a redneck's head wide open. The rain song is perfectly balanced for 'over the head bash' and also works well for the crotch thrust. If broken the guitar's glass like shards will imbed themselves in the body of the assailant and cut the living shit out of them."

Apart from that they sound better than we traditionalists want them too, but look like hell. Amplified they sound damn good. Playability is above average.

One thing is missing. Can I get one with Velvet Elvis on the front and a nude Marilyn Monroe on the back?

I mean let's get tacky.


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: Amos
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 09:33 AM

Well, Fortun, you can, but you have to sign a disclaimer assuming all risk of implosion.

A.


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: Marymac90
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 10:10 AM

Well, spaw, now we know how you got to be the way you are--breathing the fumes of those hot glues! You're a huffer!Go back to the Neil Young Center, admit that you're a hopeless glue-holic, and pray for deliverance!

Marymac


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: Fortunato
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 10:21 AM

Amos, I see what you mean; the Elvis/Marilyn guitar might self-distruct trying to have sex with itself. I wonder what happens if graphite becomes aroused?


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 10:37 AM

Okay, okay, LMAOWROTF!! I did find it gratiphiting to listen to and, ya know, come to think of it, Ken DID have on a black shirt that night!


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 10:38 AM

OH, and they also had and played a cardboard guitar some old boy had given them at one of their concerts. HE belonged to an all cardboard instrument band!


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: LR Mole
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 11:07 AM

I intend to look for a job replacing the erasers on the headstocks. Either that or selling a combined music manuscript and graph paper for notation.


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 11:23 AM

Luddites! This place is full of Luddites!

Seriously, though, how many people other that Kat have actually heard and played one of these Rainsong guitars? Good tonewoods are getting a bit scarce. If they sound good and play well, then. . . How long has it been since you've seen a really nice piece of Brazilian rosewood in a new guitar?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 11:33 AM

I've tried the Rainsongs and I like them. I like the electronic features as well which balance the magnetic pickup with the internal microphone. You can blend the signal.

I think most wood guitars today are not being heard very well when amplified. You really need a good quality condensor mic to give it a somewhat faithful representation. I think that Rare Earth pickups are good on wood guitars but they really don't sound like the natural vibrations of a good accoustic guitar. A good condensor mic is the only thing that I've heard that works.

So for all those who throw magnetic or transducer pickups on their expensive Lowdens, Taylors, Martins, etc. I think that the Rainsong might work amplified just as well.

The truth is that "folk music" as it is being called today has been electronic for some time. Every coffeehouse in the country has distorted the sound of the accoustic guitar for better or worse unless the sound person uses high-end micropones.

Frank


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: MichaelM
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 01:59 PM

I own and play a Rainsong. It has a distinctive sound which indeed lacks the "woodiness" of a good quality solid -wood guitar. But I don't have a problem with that. Complaining that it doesn't have the same sound as a traditional guitar is like complaining that a vegetarian meal doesn't taste enough like meat.

The sound has a clarity and purity that surpasses most moderately-priced wooden guitars. It is remarkarably loud. And it doesn't have the moodiness associated with woodiness. No warm-up playing to open up the guitar. No seasonal or geographical dramatics (i.e. caused by humidity and temperature fluctations). No neck-related tuning inconsistencies.

Granted,it is now as good as it will ever get. The sound will be exactly the same forty-five years from now. There will be no hush surrounding the words "pre-war Rainsong" (doesn't that sound a little ominous post Sept.11).

Anyone who ever carries their own instrument or who has shoulder or neck problems should check out this guitar. It has no internal bracing and the sound box is made thin specifically to encourage vibration. The result is a guitar that seems to weigh as much as a mandolin.

Try one with open ears and I think you might change your mind. Certainly this instrument is extremely musical in character, ergonomically superior and worth our attention until there is a CITES ban on graphite.

Michael


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 04:35 PM

Wow - I think that I'll stick with my old Mossman. I agree that a lighter guitar, and I'd love for my old box to stay in tune as the heat goes up and down, and one that stays in tune is a luxurious fantasy for me. There isn't a new guitar out there that I would consider buying. But then again I don't play for money, in coffee houses, rarely in front of people (other than my friends), or in situations where I'd need to whack someone with it. I do have a solid oak lap steel that we used to use in some of the redneck dives I played in - and it was solely for self defense!

I'm somewhat of an anachronistic individual. I bought a new Carhart coat a couple of years ago and was summarily dismayed to find velcro for flap closures. I went home, pulled the velcro off, and replaced it with snaps.

I'm certainly grateful for the "condenser mike" idea. I've wondered how to amplify my instrument for the occasional gig at the Farm Bureau meetings and local ranchers dinners.

The other piece of this is how does one distinguish the different instruments when playing in a group? Three guitars made of graphite would sound like three guitars that would be exactly alike. When I set down with my pickin buddies I can tell when Charlie is pushing his 36 Martin, or Gary is upping the ante with his old Gibson Dove, maybe Gary M. has his 40's Martin and pickin a lead run, or my Mossman is needed for a bass line run. Mixing different woods is sublime for me.

It's why a good older instrument is worth more than a new one. I think that technology is wonderful and will provide for instruments that meet specific needs. On the road with an instrument is a specific need. A new player is a specific need, a young person who hasn't learned the value of great old things is a specific need, and others that aren't in my head right now.

I'd like to play one for a bit to see what they are like - but I don't think I would own one. Besides I'm also a masochist who loves to have his instrument go clear out of tune in the middle of a fiddle tune - just so I can stop and tell a joke or smell the roses :-)

Steve


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: mousethief
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 05:07 PM

I don't mind the guitar trying to have sex with itself, but there's no need to describe it so graphitically.

Alex


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: Justa Picker
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 05:08 PM

I like graphite in my golf club shafts.
For guitars I prefer wood.


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: rangeroger
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 06:22 PM

Got to play a graphite cello at the Fall Strawberry Music festival this year. I'm not a cello player but I've always wanted to play one and I could find my way around on this one.Great sound, but I really didn't have anything to compare it to, as this was the first one I had ever played.

At $6500, however, it was not a beginners instrument.

rr


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: Troll
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 08:52 PM

As a friend said after playing one at a guitar show;
" It's nice, but I really prefer the guitar."

troll


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 08:58 PM

It's just as well so many of you dislike them since I'd hate to see a shortage of carbon fiber develop. I mean the big league racing sailboats would have togo back to fiberglass or aluminum and the whole auto racing scene would collapse in upon itself. I want to thank you all personally for saving my two favorite sports from extinction.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 09:35 PM

Spaw - into auto racing?? As in Rudd, Earnhart, Gordon, etc.?? -

Say it isn't so - next thing you know we'll see Spaw doing a CD on Thunder Road!! And Cletus will have his very own little 1/42 scale helmet -

LMAO - Steve


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: Big Mick
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 10:45 PM

I have played one several times. Nice sound, and I am thinking of one after all the problems I had at an outdoor venue this past year. It has a very good sound, better than many I have played. The action and response was better than average. If I buy one, it will be a working, or road guitar, as described above.

But..............I will keep saving my pennies for that one of a kind wood guitar that keeps improving in how it sounds and looks every year you own it. I don't see myself falling in love with The Rainsong, like I have my old Guild.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: Mark Clark
Date: 08 Nov 01 - 12:41 AM

Manufacturers are always experimenting with new materials for things traditionally made from wood. Boats, for instance, have been made from fero-cement; basically reinforced concrete. Say... I wonder how a fero-cement guitar would sound.

      - Mark


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Nov 01 - 12:51 AM

Probably about the same as the boats.

Maybe something like THIS?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 08 Nov 01 - 06:27 AM

The late (and much missed) Roy Buchanan owned a Telecaster type guitar hewn from granite. Sustained for ever, so they say.

Ferro-concrete is not such a outlandish idea for an elctric guitar, particularly for heavy metal players ................

Murray


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Nov 01 - 06:39 AM

Or some rocker that's really stoned.........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 08 Nov 01 - 09:39 AM

One of the important thing for me is how the Rainsong blends with other instruments. Haven't tried it in this way. Anyone know how it works with other guitars or a banjo or fiddle? Or does it sound best with other graphite guitars?

Frank


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Nov 01 - 10:54 AM

Frank, the one I heard, blended very well with hammer dulcimer, mountain dulcimer, a Martin guitar, Irish bouzouiki(sp), and a folk harp, as well as bodhran.


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 09 Nov 01 - 10:30 AM

Kat, that's great. Has anyone had experience with recording using it?

Frank


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: Mark Clark
Date: 09 Nov 01 - 11:41 AM

ROFLMAO Spaw. I don't know how you located that postcard but it's great. I found a pictorial description of the ferro-cement (I've improved my spelling) boatbuilding process at a site maintained by The Wood Family. If you click on the button labeled “boat,” you can see the process. Now all we need to do is adapt the process to guitars. The basic structure can be built up using ferro-cement and a graphite cloth can be epoxied to the outside as a finish coat. We'll have the best of both worlds.

Friends, please excuse me if I don't take graphite guitars serously. I really don't mean to offend anyone.

      - Mark

--- Link fixed. ---
---Jeff (PA)---


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: GUEST,English Jon
Date: 09 Nov 01 - 11:49 AM

Haven't seen one yet, but would be very interested. I recently got a carbon fibre fiddle bow and it's bloody marvelous.

EJ


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Nov 01 - 12:18 PM

Mark, your link goes back to Mudcat.......BUT, I'll bet you're going to be glad I'm a sailor because I just ran them down on a page of sailing links and I think I found them!

The Wood Family

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: Mark Clark
Date: 09 Nov 01 - 12:27 PM

I just don't understand why the tag <a href=""> would result in a bad link. You mean I'm suposed to insert the URL myself?

Thanks Spaw.

      - Mark


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Nov 01 - 12:52 PM

Frank, I imagine if you were to email Ken Willson or Kim McKee at jgheads@jigheads dot com, they'd be able to answer your recording question for you. I don't think they've used theirs for that, as Ken made the comment of keeping his Martin for studio recordings, but I'll bet they know folk who have.

Mark & Spaw, it is so gratifying to be able to bring you so much amusement. Keep it up, but make sure you rake up the kitty litter, okay?**BG**

katlaughing


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: Mark Clark
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 10:28 PM

I can imagine graphite guitars being great for canoe trips. Not only would they survive a dunking but you could use them to carry water or, in a pinch, as a PFD. I wonder if one would work as a spare paddle.

But Kat, you've piqued my curosity... I'm starting to wonder about the acoustic properties of polymerized kitty litter. <VBG>

      - Mark


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 02:11 AM

Gee Mark, what an idea!!! And when you weren't playing it you could use it to sop up the oil off your garage floor.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: 53
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 08:41 PM

the applause is probably the worst graphite guitar made not only does it sound bad, but if you have a belly it keeps rolling off. BOB


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 09:33 PM

Let me help you out here a bit BOB....The Applause is the budget line of Ovation and neither Ovation nor Applause is graphite. Only on the top line Ovation "Adamas" is any graphite used and that is in the top only.

The roundback portion of Ovation Guitars is amde from a plastic polymer they call "Lyrachord" which is similar to the material used in helicopter blades. Charlie Kaman who owns and started Ovation was a guitar player in the aerospace business.....helicopters to a large degree....and applied some of that thinking to the guitars. The plastic vibrated with a specific resonance, but acoustically it was his and his engineer's opinion that the round back would have better projection and the plastic, greater strength. Ovation wasn't built because of the material, but rather the shape.

Some time in the mid 80's Ovation went through some changes, adding in lines and increasing models, and doing a lot of things to compete in the market which they saw as becoming increasingly geared to acoustic guitars with elctronic pick-ups. They were right of course, but the guitars changed during this period and anyone who played older Ovations could tell the difference.

So for everyone (and there are legions) who hate Ovation, I would say they never played older Ovations or, like yourself, found the basic roundback deign didn't fit their body. Make no mistake though, they still do one helluva' business because their electronics are good and the damn things are tough as nails. They may not be popular on the folk circuit, but they more than hold their own as road axes with a lot of the pop people and "acoustic rockers."

As an acoustic, they are pretty poor nowadays......but before you trash them completely, play an old one. Ovation had a distinctive sound, but it certainly wasn't a "bad" sound. It's a classic case of business and the market dictating the product. Too bad really..........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: DonMeixner
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 09:39 PM

Old Applesauce guitars also had aluminum necks with frets cast into the finger board. Maybe worth something as a unique bit of Americana.

I found that Ovations were clearly not for me. I would even bet that of all the guitaristas out there who complain of unrelenting carpal tunnel syndrome a disproportionate number will be EX Ovation owners. Or atleast current Ovation owners who haven't had the lights turned on yet.

Don


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: 53
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 09:45 PM

thanks spaw for that update, i thought that they were made out of graphite, duh, what a dummy. BOB


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: Ned Ludd
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 06:13 AM

Hilarious thread, sorry I didn't come in sooner but this infernal m/c stopped working.It's great to know there are so many luddites around! Personally I can't afford one. The General.


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: jighead
Date: 28 Nov 01 - 12:58 AM

Friends, I just got to checking out the responses to Graphite guitars I am so sorry that I am so late to come to the defense of my Rainsong but we have been busy of late. There is only one reason to own a Rainsong and that is...uhh..well...hmmm -your uncle willie died and left it under his bed and you found it when you cleaned his house and the family made you keep it...uhh..well we all know that it is absolute and utter sacralage to even think about a non wood guitar and indeed I, of some 30 years of wooden instruments, fall plainly in that catagory. However I lusted for a guitar that stayed in tune while traveling in the various climes and venues and in a MOMENT OF INCREDIBLE WEAKNESS and short sight I made the purchase ($1700). Since this time my fingers love the ease of play, my ears love the sound (balanced tone), and especially love the electronics which makes it sound like a real fake wooden guitar instead of an electric fake wooden guitar. Jeeze did I say that? (and yes I would buy another one) I used the guitar on our newest CD "Passed by Here" the cuts were: Ojos, Naked Highwayman, and maybe another spot or two. If you go to our website jigheads.com and check out our sound samples I will add one of those songs and mark it in the next few days. (I'll put an "r" at the biginning of the title) The only drawback to the rainsong is that when playing very fast you get small graphite slivers called "shiners" on your hands that make them so slippery you can't get your pants on in the morning.

Ok I'm done now. Ken Willson jigheads.com


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge (cookie and format C)
Date: 26 Oct 02 - 06:33 PM

Have these come down in price yet?


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: GUEST,bassdale
Date: 30 May 04 - 09:13 PM

I have a wood garrison guitar with graphite bracing and heal and tale stock found it to be a taxxxr sounding guitar and still maintains is wood personality. but I did trade in my ovation for it.


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 May 04 - 11:17 PM

Well, I will never change my name to Taylor Rainsong.

I've tried one. A lady brought one to our regular bluegrass jam not long ago. On it's own without an amp, a fairly unimpressive vibe. I would think that like an Ovation it would probably sound OK thru an amp, but for bluegrass, no soul.

Give me wood that get's better with age. Aguitar that sounds like a tree.


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Subject: RE: Graphite guitars - what do ya'll think?
From: Merritt
Date: 31 May 04 - 01:58 AM

I've played a couple of brands of graphite guitars, the Rainsong and those made by CA Guitar. I like 'em and it's oke with me if they're not wood, or only partially wood. They're just different.

CA Guitars are cheaper than Rainsong. http://www.caguitars.com/ They've just come out with a ooo-sized guitar that I'd like to play.

Rainsong has a graphite/wood combo parlor guitar out that is reasonably priced compared to their all-graphite guitars. The tops are graphtie combined with different side & back woods: maple, rosewood, or mahogany. You can see one here at Elderly Instruments:

http://www.elderly.com/new_instruments/items/PA1000-MAP.htm

- Merritt

"It's all one big note." - Frank Zappa


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