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What if there wasn't music????

Pseudolus 05 Oct 01 - 12:00 PM
GUEST,Casnova 05 Oct 01 - 12:17 PM
GUEST,JohnB 05 Oct 01 - 12:29 PM
GUEST,Lana 05 Oct 01 - 12:31 PM
Pseudolus 05 Oct 01 - 12:47 PM
Cappuccino 05 Oct 01 - 12:58 PM
Wesley S 05 Oct 01 - 01:10 PM
alanww 05 Oct 01 - 01:16 PM
Mrrzy 05 Oct 01 - 01:18 PM
M.Ted 05 Oct 01 - 02:23 PM
Phil Cooper 05 Oct 01 - 02:43 PM
Lepus Rex 05 Oct 01 - 03:04 PM
Wesley S 05 Oct 01 - 03:15 PM
sed 05 Oct 01 - 03:47 PM
Bill D 05 Oct 01 - 05:33 PM
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Subject: What if there wasn't music????
From: Pseudolus
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 12:00 PM

No, I don't mean no music at all but no music for a particular thing. Music seems to add to everything, movies, tv, even elevators and stores but lets not go there. In any case what's out there that would just not be the same for you without the music? Could be a show, a pub, your house, your car, whatever.

OK, I'll start! For me, I went to a church service that my wife was singing at and they lined up all of the singers (6 of 'em) right across the front of the altar and the service revolved totally around the music. It was one of the most uplifting services I had been to in a long time and I realized that without music, for me, no church service would be quite the same.

So what is it for you? What loses it's luster if the music is removed?

Frank


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: GUEST,Casnova
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 12:17 PM

Several years ago, a young woman turned me on to the practice of playing Loreena McKennitt during intimate times (if yu get my drift). Now i can't imagine sending the little general into action without LM providing atmosphere.


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 12:29 PM

Don't be silly, if I could not sing or play CD's, how would I drive my car to work and back. JohnB


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: GUEST,Lana
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 12:31 PM

I left home without my CDs or anything to play them on and now I'm in England with no music to play, usually I have it on as a background to reading or working in my room and now I feel very deprived! Missing my music Lana


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: Pseudolus
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 12:47 PM

I'm with ya JohnB....we just bought a new car and the first thing I checked was the stereo.......the rest of the car wasn't bad either! *BG*

Frank


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: Cappuccino
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 12:58 PM

Although I agree, there is a movement in England which seeks to ban music - and indeed any extraneous noise, such as radio or TV or video games - from pubs. They've published a book called The Quiet pint, which is a directory of pubs that do * not * have music.

What has always fascinated me is that although Quakers (and I know there are Mudcat Quakers) have services which involve the most incredibly atmospheric silences, there is also a Quaker Songbook.

I can't help wondering how anyone gets to hear them...!

- Ian B


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: Wesley S
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 01:10 PM

What wouldn't be that same without music?? Concerts - definatly concerts for me. { you knew someone was going to say that - didn't you? }

Actually the other night a wonderful venue in downtown Ft Worth closed it doors. Perfect acoustics, great sightlines , good staff. I'll always remember some great concerts I saw there. Taj Mahal, John Gorka, David Crosby, Emmy Lou Harris { with Sam Bush },David Wilcox, Herbie Hancock, Oregon. I'll always miss good music downtown.


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: alanww
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 01:16 PM

I must say I do hate piped music, whether it be in lifts (elevators) or pubs (bars) etc. However, as Dave Webber said in the song Blackbird,

"After love I ask of life just one simple thing,
Pray never let me see the time that does not let me sing!"

Alan


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 01:18 PM

Quaker songs aren't sung at meetings, is all. Hmmm. Very interesting thread - I'm sitting here trying to figure out if there is anything that taking the music away wouldn't damage, rather than the other way around... I guess I could grade papers without music as long as I still had TV and Powers'!


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: M.Ted
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 02:23 PM

I've been to Quaker meetings where songs were sung--at any rate, I think that there should be more live music and less gratuitous music--the TV culture has developed a rather regretable habit of trying to embelish everything with some sort of mood music, including the recent tragedies--I find it difficult to feel or think much of anything when bombarded by mechanically lisensed emotions--


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 02:43 PM

I like to pay attention to music when it's playing (thus the car is a great place to play it). But when I'm doing something else, I find it distracting and would prefer to have it quiet. It is sort of like drinking a beer while being on line, with the computer: there's an empty bottle sitting there, but you don't remember having drunk it. I'd have trouble imagining what the world would be like without music, however. Gets to would you rather loose your sight or your hearing. I would pick to loose my sight (though may that never really happen).


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 03:04 PM

Hmm. Wesley beat me to concerts, heh. I can't think of anything special that I do while listening to music. If I can't play music, say at work, I just listen to NPR.

Sort of turning it around, though: I CAN'T listen to music while eating in my car (where about 90% of my meals are eaten, for some reason). I have to be listening to news, or I can't enjoy my meal. But that's just weird. Forget I said it. :)

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: Wesley S
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 03:15 PM

Another thread could be - where DON'T you want to hear music. I always get annoyed if I'm at a beach or somewhere else outdoors and someone decides to treat everything in a half mile radius to the loud pop/rap/country/easy listening/smooth jazz music they want to play on a boom box. There should be a law that only acoustic instruments can be played outdoors { he said in an old, grumpy voice }. Anyone else agree ?


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: sed
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 03:47 PM

Although it may seem unprofessional I love street singing, or as some call it: busking. At Five Points South in Birmingham, Alabama I found a good streetsinging venue for several years (mostly in the 1980's) but as the gentrification turned a buck in every corner canned music began to pollute the once-receptive ambiance. Last time I was there three businesses were playing music from loudspeakers all at the same time. Only the loudest, brashest (insensitive? drunk?) street performer could compete with that. For me it just wasn't any fun at all. I heard a show on NPR recently which reported that unpleasant music was used in several commercial spaces to drive away skateboarders and other people considered by merchants to be undesirable. Social engineering can use/abuse anything. Sad that this can happen in a supposed democracy like the US.


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 05:33 PM

well...instead of a bluegrass festival, we could have a 'grass' festival...


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: mousethief
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 06:02 PM

No no, Bill D, it's not "what if there wasn't color" but "what if there wasn't music."

I agree with you, Wesley, on noise pollution. Recently went to a little resort town to stroll the shops, and one particular shop had blaring music over loudspeakers outside. It was abhorrent. You had to go inside, because inside, although they were playing the same music, it was many times quieter.

Orthodox worship services are nearly all music. If you took away our music we wouldn't know what to do with ourselves.

I thought Ravel's "Bolero" was the best intimate-moment music? What movie was that in? "10"?

Phil, I'm with you 100% on which would you rather lose, hearing or sight? Music is waaaaaaaay more important to me than visual-medium arts or even sunsets and waterfalls (which I do love).

I also hate when you're sitting at a red light, and trying to hear something on the news and the radio has decided it doesn't like the reception and is going bkoiikkk-zzzzzzzub and then some idiot in an over-polished car pulls up alongside and all you can hear is the THUMBP THUMBP THUMBP THUMBP of their megawatt subwoofer system. Surely no grand jury could possibly indict me for murdering such a driver....

Alex


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: Justa Picker
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 07:47 PM

To me if there was no music, it would be like viewing EVERYTHING in black and white.


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: Gareth
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 08:14 PM

Well - if there was no Folk Music :-

The Red Coats would justly win every battle.

The Maid would never be betrayed

and

There would be a void on the seabed 40 miles off Aberdeen.

Gareth (in cynical mode)


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 08:35 PM

Well, there's a lot of canned music around that I could do without, that's for sure.

Even with no human music there would still be birds singing and crickets chirping.

Oddly enough, I've had a real need for silence for some time now, and spend very little time either listening to music or playing it. This is in stark contrast to a life which revolved very much around music and musicianship for the past 4 to 5 decades. I now have little or no reason to buy CD's because I don't bother listening to them anyway.

I don't know what the explanation is...other than that I am looking within more than outside myself for answers now, but that's how it stands.

- LH


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 10:16 PM

My fingers. My fingers need the feel of my accordion. They can feel the music through the keys and buttons and they need it.


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 10:21 PM

oops


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: AliUK
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 10:40 PM

Dear GUESTcasanova. Your experience with Laura McKennit brings to mind a seminal (pun intended) experience I had when I was but a lad of 15 and my girlfriend insisted on playing Green Onions by Booker T. and the MGs. It's on my mind nearly every time since then, and gets me right in the mood if needs be, just thinking about it. ANYWAY. Working at my computer in my office at home without music, now that would be tedious.


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: Gypsy
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 10:49 PM

Aye Carol, only mine need to feel the hammers. Imagine any movie without music....you wouldn't know when to be scared, moved, upset. And yes, i truly would like to ban the fourwheel, testosterone filled trucks, with HUGE speakers mounted on the beds, blaring out at our (supposedly) public parks! At least with acoustic, you can't inflict your taste on the ENTIRE population! gypsyslinkingoff,growlingsoftly.........


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: sophocleese
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 10:58 PM

I rarely play CDs at all in the house now. If I want to hear anything I have the radio on with talking. Often I have a tune going through my head and I'm not interested in hearing other tunes at the moment.

Quakers come from many different backgrounds and among Quakers there are different 'streams' lets say of worship, so that you can have structured and unstructured meetings, the structured ones tend to have more music within the meeting. Outside of meeting many Quakers like to sing and play instruments. The first group that I ever sang madrigals with was started in my home meeting, we were called The Consort of Friends.

I occasionally go to Anglican services. But only when the choir director hads asked me to come and augment the choir for a particular piece. I can't imagine an Anglican service without music.

Christmas without music would be very, very strange. I could do without canned carols from October onwards but not without being able to sing them myself and with others.


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 11:55 PM

*grin*

Gypsy... you must never, never hit an accordion with hammers.

(sorry. couldn't help myself... )


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: Gypsy
Date: 06 Oct 01 - 12:49 AM

Now, now, it depends. How close is your accordian to my hammered dulcimer? gypsywhowearsscarsfromthefiddlersbow....


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 06 Oct 01 - 02:52 AM

I understand that for certain programmes from the USA, the background music is muted when broadcast in the UK. I know that Star Trek Next Gen is one of these, because I saw an episode in Canada and was disturbed by the amount of dialogue I missed because the music was too loud... When the same episode aired over here 6 months later, I watched it again and was surprised at the lack of music. S So you see it's all your fault!

LTS


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: Lyrical Lady
Date: 06 Oct 01 - 12:27 PM

If there wasn't any music then there wouldn't be musicians and I wouldn't fall hopelessly in love everytime I meet one! I don't know if that would be a good thing or a bad thing at this point in my life! *BG*

LL


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: GUEST,iamjohnne
Date: 06 Oct 01 - 12:47 PM

I recently read a Time magazine article about a reporter going into Afghanistan. The cab driver immediatly turned off the radio. He told the reporter the guards at the border could have killed them. Seems the government and other of Bin Laden's buddies have learned that we can be moved by music. He won't allow any westernized music to be played publically. Just to keep his followers in line I suppose.

Johnne "Poetry is the music of words. Music is the poetry of sound"


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 06 Oct 01 - 04:21 PM

Actually, the Taleban banned pretty much ALL music, native and foreign. Just banning 'Western' music in Afghanistan wouldn't be such a bad thing... :)

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: rangeroger
Date: 07 Oct 01 - 12:52 AM

Lyric Lady, come to North Idaho and I'll sing for you a song.

rr


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: Milkdud22
Date: 07 Oct 01 - 03:54 AM

music is the background to life. I can't imagine waking up to something other than music, or being lulled to sleep by anything else. Music constantly surrounds me, and the world would be sad, depressing place without it.


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: Lyrical Lady
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 02:46 AM

I'll consider it, as long as it isn't Roseville Fair!!

Lyrical lady


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: Mudlark
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 02:52 AM

Without A Song

(B. Rose / E. Eliscu / V. Youmans)

With thanks to B. Rose/E. Eliscu/V. Youmans...
.

Without a song, the day would never end..
Without a song the road would never bend..
When things go wrong, a man ain't got a friend.
Without a song.
.
.

That field of corn would never see a plow..
That field of corn would be deserted now..
A man is born, but he's no good no-how.
Without a song..
.

I got my troubles and woe,.
but sure as I know that Jordan will roll.
I'll get along as long as a song is strong in my soul.
.

I'll never know what makes the rain to fall.
I'll never know what makes the grass so tall.
I only know there ain't no love at all.
Without a song!!.
.

This has been going around in my head ever since this thread appeared...I'd be hard put to drive, clean, garden, mow, do dishes, cook, among other things, wi/out listening, singing or both. Agree tho on the canned music everywhere from supermarket to elevator...and I'm pretty sure road rage is a direct result of being stuck next to vehicular bass thump....


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Subject: Mosquesitting with Friends
From: Haruo
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 02:54 AM

I just posted this in a new thread called "Mosquesitting with Friends", and then discovered this thread where it seemed so topical I thought I'd better crosspost it...

I spent the day (1-6 pm) standing around (and, towards the end, sitting around) in front of the Idriss Mosque in Seattle's Northgate neighborhood. About every third car that drove by honked or waved in support; I think we actually have grown up a bit since Pearl Harbor, or even since the Iran hostages. Encouraging. No signs of any hostility towards the mosque (though I saw a few cases of road rage directed at other drivers).

Since they don't seem to sing in worship, I don't think I'd make much of a Muslim. One of my fellow mosquesitters was a Quaker woman, and I mentioned to her that I probably wouldn't make much of a Friend, either, for the same reason, and she surprised me by telling me that twice a month they gather for "Worship in Music" prior to the meeting. I'll have to check it out.

So I guess this thread is to collect anecdotal evidence on both Islamic and Quaker music in worship. As well as encomiums for us non-anti-Islamic Americans. FWIW. Anybody?

Liland


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: A Wandering Minstrel
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 12:02 PM

>>Since they don't seem to sing in worship I don't think I'd make much of a Muslim....I probably wouldn't make much of a Friend either, for the same reason>>

Liland, Quakerism is a way of life, Islam is a way of life, music is a way of life, why would Muslims and Quakers not sing?

As IanB remarks above there is a Quaker songbook (I was a contributor myself!) We hear those songs whenever we choose to sing them.

By the way you left Inobu hanging rather uncomfortably in your other thread....


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: InOBU
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 12:09 PM

Och, Wander Minstral, old pal, as you know, I am part Rom, ever since James of Scotland decided he didn't like Jamie Faa anymore, we've been hanged so much, we even find it a wee bit comfortable!
Yours in the light, and OH! One more thing!!!
My dear friend and Friend ( a wilberite Friend - where I am a Hicksite, so if that helps to endorce this song further, I hope you appreciate that!) Well, in short, John Edminster wrote a tune to an Elizabeathen poem, a new Quaker hymm, though he declined to sing it at a worship sharing meeting, it is a hymm by and sung by a Quaker, but it is a real DOOZEY! It is really brilliant. It is seldom that I hear modern writers achive a really good traditional sounding tune, but John has done it masterfully. I will see if I can get it to someone who can put in in postable notation.
Only slightly stretched,
Larry...
By the by, ever heard the song, the night before Larry was stetched???


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: InOBU
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 12:15 PM

PS Having re-read the other post, I don't think he meant my post was drift, likely, but rather, was for biforcating the disscussion, correct me if I am wrong (he said motioning towards the steps down from the gallows with a sort of, ... mind if I just go for a wee walk smile...)
Cheers Larry


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: Haruo
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 04:58 PM

My apologies to INOBU for leaving you dangling in the other thread. Actually, for a while I didn't know I had, since you posted yours while I was composing my invitation to this thread.

And of course I didn't say nor mean that either Quakers or Muslims "don't sing", only that my impression was they didn't sing in worship services", i.e. in meeting or at prayers in the mosque (aside from the muezzin's call to worship). And I still think Quakers of the silent meeting type don't sing in those meetings, though I was corrected by my fellow mosquesitter who said they do sing in worship prior to meetings. And of course I know there are Evangelical Quakers who are hardly more silent than we Baptists. ;-) But then, they also countenance military service, which sounds unFriendly to me.

Liland


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Subject: RE: What if there wasn't music????
From: Melani
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 07:11 PM

If there was no music, we'd probably all sit around this forum discussing politics.:-)


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