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Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now

Little Hawk 02 Feb 02 - 09:09 PM
John Routledge 02 Feb 02 - 08:50 PM
jup 02 Feb 02 - 03:22 AM
Dave Wynn 01 Feb 02 - 12:10 PM
GUEST 01 Feb 02 - 11:28 AM
jeffp 01 Feb 02 - 09:42 AM
GUEST,Luke 01 Feb 02 - 08:22 AM
GUEST,Luke 01 Feb 02 - 08:17 AM
GUEST 31 Jan 02 - 09:41 PM
Ralphie 03 Oct 01 - 08:27 PM
GUEST 03 Oct 01 - 02:09 PM
Jon Freeman 03 Oct 01 - 11:30 AM
GUEST,Kaiser Bill's Batman 03 Oct 01 - 10:10 AM
IanC 03 Oct 01 - 10:08 AM
Jon Freeman 03 Oct 01 - 10:06 AM
GUEST 03 Oct 01 - 09:59 AM
Jeri 03 Oct 01 - 09:55 AM
GUEST,Motley Crew 03 Oct 01 - 09:55 AM
Jon Freeman 03 Oct 01 - 09:38 AM
IanC 03 Oct 01 - 09:10 AM
GUEST,Ed 03 Oct 01 - 08:44 AM
Mooh 03 Oct 01 - 08:40 AM
Jon Freeman 03 Oct 01 - 08:07 AM
GUEST,Ed 03 Oct 01 - 07:52 AM
Jon Freeman 03 Oct 01 - 06:37 AM
MudGuard 03 Oct 01 - 04:34 AM
DougR 03 Oct 01 - 01:28 AM
Joe Offer 03 Oct 01 - 01:19 AM
DougR 03 Oct 01 - 12:49 AM
Rick Fielding 03 Oct 01 - 12:01 AM
GUEST 02 Oct 01 - 11:44 PM
Amos 02 Oct 01 - 11:41 PM
Joe Offer 02 Oct 01 - 11:35 PM
Little Neophyte 02 Oct 01 - 11:25 PM
GUEST, I, hurricane 02 Oct 01 - 08:31 PM
Jon Freeman 02 Oct 01 - 08:16 PM
DougR 02 Oct 01 - 08:12 PM
Amos 02 Oct 01 - 07:02 PM
catspaw49 02 Oct 01 - 06:45 PM
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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 09:09 PM

It isn't Mudcat that's a bit of a mess right now, it's my hair. And I need a shave.

What the hell, it must be the Dylan influence, I guess...

- LH


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: John Routledge
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 08:50 PM

Listening to the Joe Heaney Mudcat Radio Archive at the moment. Mudcat has never been better. Cheers John


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: jup
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 03:22 AM

Every time I ask I get an answer.Usually I find what I need in the search eng. THE CAT IS FINE BY ME. IF YOU DON'T LOVE IT LEAVE!!! DON'T TAKE YOUR SELF TO SERIOUSLY,GIVE AND TAKE.

It aint broken yet!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Dave Wynn
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 12:10 PM

If you are here and either read or contribute (or both) then it's working. Why try to mend something that isn't broken?

Unless it doesn't work for you...In that case don't read , don't contribute and please don't try to fix it coz you will only break it for me!

Well..I know what I mean....

Spot


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 11:28 AM

I always thought Jeri was the smart Mudcatter. I couldn't have posted my trolls without her links.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: jeffp
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 09:42 AM

Hey Luke - at the Main Threads page, pull down the drop-down menu to Reset Cookie, click Go and follow the instructions. That should take care of things.

jeffp


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: GUEST,Luke
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 08:22 AM

I used to be a member and thought I was.

Now I'm pissed!! Just kidding.

Luke


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: GUEST,Luke
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 08:17 AM

I am 52 years old. I have been singing and playing folk music since I was 12. I have performed since I was 14. I have been to lots of large festivals and performed at them. One thing I always liked about festvals was the late into the night joke swaps. There were always performers there trolling for new material. But also there were people I had seen before at other festivals but never heard from because the did not perform on stage. In this setting they were in their orbit. They were brimming with stuff. Maybe not music related but extremely folky. It is good stuff and folklore and jokelore are as Art Theime has said I think brothers in the same family. You can tell I'm no brainiac but I love smart people thats why I play the music I do and not some other more mechanical tripe. This place is like the festival and it's wonderful here. I can here the music off into the night and I know that we are safe to say what we like.

You've probably all heard the story about the guy stranded on a lonely desert island for 30 years. When he is discovered finally, the people who find him are amazed at the wonderful church he has built. It is beautiful with many fine and rare natural decorations that he has wrought with his own hands. As they rave on he stops them and says " listen I wouldn't be caught dead in that place, that's where I used to go".

I guess it's human nature to find fault and separate oneself and move on. It defines us somehow.

I love this place. It works for me.

Luke


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 02 - 09:41 PM

Ekh. What a load. Just when I thought I couldn't hate America any more... Seriously, someone from a good country: Adopt me. ----Lepus Rex

Thanks to Jeri for the link to this site.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Ralphie
Date: 03 Oct 01 - 08:27 PM

Oh Children, Children.....Please Stop!!
Isn't there something rather more important happening just now?
Ralphie
(Maybe this is just a US kind of thing?)


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Oct 01 - 02:09 PM

Shame on you, IanC!

Jon Freeman is one of the nicest, kindest people around here.

Pease don't accuse him of having an agenda, other than making mudcat better.

Personally, I've had Dick and Susan to stay with me for a couple of days

Bully for you! Talk about name dropping! Did they impart any great wisdom about decent website design? Please share...

As for guests talking to themselves, well I don't know. I choose to post as a guest. Review the lyric requests here and you'll find that henious 'GUEST' has answered many more than you ever have.

I've nothing else to say

Guest

Too gutless (give me a break) to put my made up Mudcat name to this


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 03 Oct 01 - 11:30 AM

Ian, I agree completely with your thoughts on the benifits to many of a forum that is not strictly just music.

Where we seem to differ is that I believe it would be desirable for people to be able to choose whether to join in with the other stuff or not and I see no reason why creating a split forum should prevent those who wish to continue to join both to do so. I also believe that there is absolutely no reason why operating 2 forums (or perhaps as Ed suggested making full use of the filter) should prevent one person reading the mixture of threads and another reading only music.

My agenda, if you want it:

1. Hope for a more peacefull Mudcat and continue to believe/ argue that moderation in thread creation is benifical.

2. Try to provide short term extras for the enjoyement of myself and hopefully for the benifite and enjoyment of others. And to continue to develop alternative or extra solutions where I believe I see shortfalls here, a place for extras, or the possibility of better solutions, e.g.

3. Hope that people see these extras and perhaps see scope for improvement here and that changes are possible - just talking seems to get me know where. I'm under no illusions about credit - not really bothered - just hope that some of the better ideas creep in here - perhaps in a years time, they may even get re-proposed - thought of as a new idea and filter in here. That is where I wan't to see everything and under the Mudcat banner - or more accurately considered on thier merits..

As for 3, I guess it would have been nice to have been part of a team rather than the go-it-alone approach but, when you've had to fight to get a change pushed through to prevent ANYONE from viewing ALL member details - needed the involvement of another member before I was listened to, when at a time when Max had said he was short staffed, offered for free to assist with what skills I had, to not even a reply to say "thanks but no thanks", when you have moaned and moaned about other security issuse here - including a SIMPLE method (probably fixed by Jeff - he did listen to me and has done a lot for this place - I think more than anyone other than me and perhaps Jeri realises here) of anyone posting as anyone - completely bypassing the cookie, etc. You may understand why I eventually decided to take the route I did when it comes to showing how other things can work.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: GUEST,Kaiser Bill's Batman
Date: 03 Oct 01 - 10:10 AM

I don't think splitting Mudcat into two forums will be enough. I 'd like to propose the following six divisions for Mudcat:

1) Music threads- lyric requests, worship and dissing of Bob Dylan, discussion of obscurities such as whether Robert Johnson's G-string was slightly out of tune on "Love In Vain," etc.

2) Current events threads- Bush, Blair, Bin Laden, etc.

3) Mudcat threads- trolling, guests, Mudcat is great, Mudcat is lousy, etc.

4) Huckster threads- buy my CD, come to my show, etc.

5) Really stupid threads- farting in public, what color is your underwear, etc.

6) Mousethief threads

But, like all suggestions made by anyone else, these suggestions will be ingnored because Max, Mudcat's Supreme Exalted Ruler, has stated, time and again, that Mudcat's staying the way it is.

KBB


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: IanC
Date: 03 Oct 01 - 10:08 AM

Jon

I don't think I do miss the point. I know you've been pursuing your own agenda for a while now, and fair enough. However, if you take time to look around, you'll see that there are some very expert people here, some new to Mudcat in the last few months. Also some of your "experts" have not really left. Some are lurking and contributing perfectly well (just calling yourself GUEST doesn't stop someone's style being recognised). Others were self-opinionated and nasty, unlikely to stay very long in the light - and they're still just as nasty in the folk forums outside Mudcat.

"The same row", kept going by the same people, can easily be ignored. Tell me, what exactly is the row supposed to be about anyway?

Our friend GUEST certainly has his own agenda and has been trying to wreck the basic style of Mudcat for a long long time now. We're getting better at dealing with this kind of thing. Currently, he's reduced to having a conversation with himself in order to keep his thread near the top. Sad's not in it.

The point I'm making is that Mudcat has a unique combination of things which makes the music threads catch fire from time to time. This could never happen in a "pure" music forum.

Personally, I've had Dick and Susan to stay with me for a couple of days, and the opportunity to talk to them about collecting folk songs and 101 other things. I'm corresponding at the moment with Wilfried about a rare German songbook (not what I'd have expected to have even been interested in until recently). I'm contributing to other peoples' research and enjoyment via the Basic Folk Library. I'm even getting near to publishing my first research paper because of the speed of response I get here when I ask a question (before that, years of part-time research was getting me nowhere).

None of these things would I have been able to do without Mudcat AS IT IS. I have no gripe about using technology well. Just consider that you sometimes have to look at what is the purpose of the change you are trying to bring about.

;-)
Ian


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 03 Oct 01 - 10:06 AM

Jeri, if you mean that even the best possible forum would fail if the users were determined to be akward, I would be inclined to agree with you. I do however remain convinced that the nature of a forum design can help in the creation/ relief of tensions or frustrations.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Oct 01 - 09:59 AM

I have to agree with jon.

I have nothing against Max, and totally love what he's done here.

Mind you, have you ever looked at the www.onstagemedia.com website?

It's really very poor indeed.

Max, take a bit more time looking at your business, and less on the Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Oct 01 - 09:55 AM

Jon, regarding your first paragraph, it's not the forum that causes those things to happen, it's the emotions and reactions of the people posting. If the forum were split up, people would still do all of those things. Trolls and overly sensitive people would still way-lay threads to be about the method of discussion and their personal feelings instead of the subject. A music-only discussion could wind up being "this song is ___ist" or "are you calling me an idiot because I posted something already in the DT." Easily offended or frustrated people would still get pissed off and leave. It ain't the forum that's broke, it's the way some people start crap and others, who should know better, encourage it.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: GUEST,Motley Crew
Date: 03 Oct 01 - 09:55 AM

For those of you who are upset and bitching about the alleged sad state of affairs here, let me paraphrase a rock song:

Don't go away mad, just go away!!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 03 Oct 01 - 09:38 AM

Ian, I fear you miss the point. A forum that looses part of it's membership (particularly key members such as musical contributers in a largely music orientated forum) is broke. A forum where people feel forced to take on strange guest tactics, etc. is broke. A forum where the same rows crop up over and over again is broke.

Please don't get me wrong as overall I like Mudcat and certainly would be contributing to BS threads. Also, in spite of my negative comments about one aspect of the operation of this forum, I acknowledge that Mudcat has some superb features and is very strong in many ways (FAR better than the Annexe in case anyone thinks... well you know). I do however frequently come up with the same questions:

Could we as users all help to make this place more liveable for everyone? YES

Could the availible technology be better used in an effort to assist in achieving the above aim? YES

Jon


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: IanC
Date: 03 Oct 01 - 09:10 AM

What is all this stuff? Mudcat is great as it is. Splitting the site would inevitably rob Mudcat of its essential nature and lead to degeneration from both points of view.

Have you been to a straight Folk Music discussion group recently? ... I haven't because if I want a response within, say, a month I come here. Have you been to a straight chat site? Ugh!

I sometimes get fed up with the number of NonMus threads, but it passes (and so do the NonMus threads). I look at some, and they enrich my ideas about the music threads.

I seldom post other than folk-oriented stuff (click on IanC above to see what I do post in) but I for one am well aware that we need quite a high volume of wide-ranging background information to make sure we don't end up dry as dust because we are that dust.

Mark My Words ... please don't keep trying to fix what ain't broke.

:-)
Ian


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 03 Oct 01 - 08:44 AM

Jon,

You have an advantage over me, in that I've not seen the 'dev' site.

I had (perhaps wrongly) assumed that the 'filter' would be a 'permanent' thing, based on the users cookie rather than an improvement on the current filtering system.

Mind you, I shouldn't complain. Here's me posting as a GUEST (more out of bloody minded annoyance at the 'anti-guest' regulars than anything else), so any changes wouldn't affect cookieless me.

Ed


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Mooh
Date: 03 Oct 01 - 08:40 AM

Earl,

I beg to differ...there ARE more music threads. Just because something has fallen from the current list doesn't mean the discussion is over. Many new threads are continuations of, revitalizations of, rehashings of, echoes of, refreshings of previous threads. Each new thread, as I understand it, increases the number.

Is it not so, or have threads been removed forever?

I often search old topics to read what's been said, simply as a matter of research.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 03 Oct 01 - 08:07 AM

It would help Ed and probably would be the simplest way for Mudcat to implement any solution because of the problem I mentioned above.

I would however like to see users able to filter out more than one prefix and members allowed to set a default filter for thier membership rather than be forced to veiw the lot and then redisplay with the filter applied. Also, I would like the filter to also work on messages since last visit. All of which was impossible last time I visited the experimental site (I can't look any more BTW - they've secured it! - and rightly too!).

Jon


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 03 Oct 01 - 07:52 AM

Given that the 'new improved' mudcat will (unless I misunderstood) will give users options for 'filtering' thread types, then the answer is surely simple.

Make it a prerequisite (rather than an option) to add a preface (BS, Help, whatever) to each thread.

That way, each user would be able to filter (or not) which threads they wish to read.

Or would that be too simple?

Ed


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 03 Oct 01 - 06:37 AM

Joe, I don't think a split would starve the music but having said that, I guess it is all academic anyway. Assuming the more likely situation i.e. that there never will be a split here, moderation (in posting) is the only answer.

Amos, go to http://www.jonbanjo.com/forum and view say 10 days worth of threads. You will see that there are posts from several forums listed all mixed together. Follow the create/new topic/ list new forums link. You will see the complete list of forums. If you are feeling really brave you could try registering, logging in and going back to create new topic. You will then see a checkbox along side each forum. Check the forums you don't want to view and click update preferences. Redisplay the main forum list. It will list as before but the posts from forums you have opted to skip will not be on the list. In other words, it is quite easy to allow those who want to view everything to do so but also allow those who wish to be more selective to be so.

Rick, fourms like mine use an extra table in the database to allow the creating and grouping of the forums. I doubt that Mudcat will have any such table so I would guess a multi-forum solution would be far more difficult to achieve here. The biggest problem I see though is where would you put all the "pre split" posts? BS or Music or do you try to divide based on the (inconsistent) use of the BS prefix...?

Jon


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: MudGuard
Date: 03 Oct 01 - 04:34 AM

The biggest problem with a split forum is - IMHO - that a thread is created in one forum, but after a while the content drifts so far away from the original question/statement that the thread should be in another forum.

What should happen then?

Should the thread be moved?
No, because its start was in the correct forum!
Yes, because its end is in the wrong forum!

Should the thread be split?
No, because whichever spot you take to split it, some messages are out of context or unanswered.

Should the thread be duplicated?
No, because then discussion gets duplicated and/or harder to follow as you always have to look at two (or more if there are more than 2 forums) threads in different forums.

Just keep the forum as it is and simply ignore threads that do not interest you!

MudGuard


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: DougR
Date: 03 Oct 01 - 01:28 AM

Okey dokie, Joe. Then if I like a thread, I'll say so!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Oct 01 - 01:19 AM

No, Doug - what I said was not intended to indicate there was a problem. It doesn't happen very often that people take a music thread and turn it into silliness, although there was one this week. Usually, people seem to respect the music threads, and the nonsense stays away from them. I really think that the music threads are every bit as good as they always have been. We also get them every bit as often, but it's just that they get lost in a flood of partytime threads at times.

...but saying thanks or "great thead" (in moderation), or asking questions, is something that keeps the thread alive and shows that people are paying attention. Almost all of the time, the people who post to music threads, make a good contribution by their presence.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: DougR
Date: 03 Oct 01 - 12:49 AM

I didn't realize posting to a music thread with something like, "good thread, or great thread," etc. was taboo. I have done so from time to time, primarily, to indicate to informed music posters that many of us read if we don't post.

Won't do anymore. I'll just read, and enjoy.

DougR


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 03 Oct 01 - 12:01 AM

Joe, if I start more threads does it mean I'll become more sexually exciting? Or at least a bit Kinky?

Dull Canajun.

On a serious note....Joe. Do you REALLY think that a split forum for music threads would "take all the life out of them?"

I think the exact opposite would happen. The people who've gotten so frustrated with silliness that they've resorted to anonymous insults, loud goodbyes (and verrry quiet returns under exotic new names) would finally be able to get back to what brought them here in the first place. The VAST majority here who DO want to learn about music AND enjoy the social aspect, would probably take part in most of the music threads, and the ones (I'm in this group as well) who want to talk politics, or issues without constant flamers, could do it.

I always thought that it couldn't be done because of technical reasons.

Cheers

Rick


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 11:44 PM

Bruce, the downfall,you know
unfettered by Max or Joe
Began over two years years ago.

In tonight's current Rugby thread
I found blood that was shed
By those who fought to be pure.

The kat with scorched friends
Never have made amends
For the loss of many close friends.

Click here


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Amos
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 11:41 PM

I disconcur with the split forum -- music to the left, chatters to the right, form rows and march. Nahhhh.

I enjoy the mash and its rich overtones of fermented emotion and distilled experience. Aging it in separate casks would turn it all watery, i am sure!

YMMV.

A.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 11:35 PM

The problem with a split forum is that it might tend to take all the life out of the music threads - like, one side is the library and the the other the tavern. The political discussions do have a lot to do with folk music, and so does the humor. Much as I dislike the repetition and mindlessness of some of the party stuff, I'd hate to see the music forum turn stodgy. I think moderation is the solution, not divorce.
-Joe Offer-

(not a "moderated" forum - but every person using moderation and judgment in deciding when and what to post)


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 11:25 PM

I would like to see a split forum. There seems to be so many threads these days. It makes me feel a bit overwhelmed when I do check in which isn't as often. I'm not around as much partly due to the current forum and partly do to things changing in my own life.

Maybe as time goes by we could start having reunion threads for old timers who don't post as much. Send out an invite through email. We could start an alumni that gets together to talk about the 'good old day'.
That would be funny.

Miss Bonnie
:)


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: GUEST, I, hurricane
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 08:31 PM

Yeah, that's the one where I spend most of my days, Amos. I'm not in the military though. Evenings I'm just hare's breath downwind.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 08:16 PM

spaw, I would think that 2 forums for this place would be quite enough. Having said that, it is quite possible to introduce other forums whith a minimul impact. Have a look at my modification to the code for the Annexe for example, I offer 1 list like here but allow a user to choose whether they want to have certain areas included or not when they view it. Just one of several possible approaches.

The only real handicap other than a user making a choice and setting it, is that a person has to choose on thread creation, which forum to post to - not much more complicated than deciding whether to call a thread BS, or musical, the rest looks after itself.

Thre real sufferers on that and other approaches would of course be those who feel a need to guaranteed being heard in the whole forum. If I was to say "Fuck Em" to anyone, those inconsiderate people would be precicesly my target.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: DougR
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 08:12 PM

I suppose, Alex, another reason someone might leave loudly, particularly if they post as a "guest," is they know if they have been around awhile, that the thread will attract a large number of posters.

DougR


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Amos
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 07:02 PM

Hey, hurricane!

Would that be "Coronado Island" just north of the Silver Strand and south of North Island?

Or would that be some other Coronado island?

A


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: catspaw49
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 06:45 PM

Over on the accompanying "Rah-Rah" thread that generally accompanies these "Hiss-Boo" threads I said I was reassured that all is okay because we keep doing this as regular as clockwork. Going back, I was tempted to start a few years ago and create links to all the threads similar to this one, but the task was too daunting.

Ya' know, I'm not as active now as I have been at times. I may get that way again or I may fade away entirely.......Who cares? The 'Cat will be what it is and what we make it........Not individually, but collectively. How we take that "collective" is what affects our attitudes......and those that wish to mold the 'Cat the way they want it will always be carping and moaning. Some will leave. Some will stay. If you leave tomorrow, I can't help it and I really don't give a ratsass and if I leave tomorrow, you can't help it and why should you give a ratsass? As Jeri mentioned....the river flows on with or without us.

I have no regrets over losing people who have pissed and moaned about the place even if they were god's own gift of knowledge for all things. Fuck 'em. The entire argument over whether to split or not to split is pretty wasted too because we could have 27 forums and someone would be pissed because someone mentioned Woody in a pure trad forum. If we had 27 we'd need 30....witness how the permathread idea caught on.

Try to enjoy what's here and if you don't try to at least let others. Almost everyone above has said that they find something here for each of them....Great! If you're tired of it, leave....If you love it, stay. The guy Joe mentioned was a pain in the ass because he was completely absorbed in himself. Read the threads and make your comments but try to let other folks do the same.

I suppose that'll do til the next Hissboo thread comes along..........Feel free to disagree. I don't give a shit and you have every right to do so!! Enjoy.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: GUEST, I, hurricane
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 06:15 PM

I'm a pure B.S.'r in favor of the split page design. I stumbled in the back door through google only a few weeks ago, and posted to a music thread, not even knowing about the rest of the forum. The people and responses were wonderful. Then the WTC attack happened, just as I discovered the BS political threads, and I certainly enjoyed hearing a lot of thoughtful comments in those confusing days. But even before Joe Offer mentioned it immediately above, I realized my posting days are numbered, since this is best viewed as a musicians' site. I see from searching the word "clique," that you people have been hashing out the same old arguments about cliques and non-music and trolls forever, though. The pity is, I will, on such short duration, already miss the thoughtful musings of many such as CarolC, Jeri, Amos, troll and the like. (Actually I'll probably stick around and learn a few things, but posting, oh, well.)

(For those of you feeling jittery about stadium gatherings and the like: I'll be setting here on Coronado Island, which isn't an island at all, - - just a sand bar surrounded by earthquake faults, nuclear carriers, two airports and a smattering of wayward terrorists. Wish us all luck. (And thanks.)


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: curmudgeon
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 06:04 PM

What's all the fuss? Mudcat is, period! I'm a relative newcomer. In fact, today is the first time I've signed on independent of Bat Goddess's aegis in over a year. (Thanks Joe for the tips) But it's a rare day that I don't find at least one thread to pique my interest. And if I don't, it's no big deal.

There are many threads that do not have any appeal to my varied interests, but they do appeal to others, and for that I hope they continue. I suppose it's like television (haven't watched it in nearly twenty years), if you don't like what's on, change the channel. On the other hand, it's better than TV because you can create your own channel and if no one else tunes in to it, so be it.

And if there is a thread that you are really interested in, add to it. Threads only atrophy from lack of attention. Don't bitch on the threads that offend you, ignore them.

And in conclusion, aside from providing an exciting source of information and discourse, musical and otherwise, Mudcat has enabled me and Linn to meet so many warm, wonderful people over the course of the past year; at Barry Finn's, at our house, at the Press Room, at NEFFA, and most recently at the Portsmouth Maritime Folk Festival May these meetings never end.

Don't change a damned thing, just let it evolve -- Tom


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: IvanB
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 06:02 PM

I've participated in Mudcat for a bit less than 2 years now, and, yes, it has changed in that time, at least in my perception. But, increasingly I find, when doing a search on some song or other musical question that has come to mind, that the answer to my search has been discussed within that two year period. Perhaps I missed it when it was current because I just wasn't interested at the time, which, of course, implies that I've probably changed within the past two years as well. What a radical idea!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: SharonA
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 05:53 PM

I came to Mudcat because Marymac90 nagged me! (...and she nagged me because she knew I would enjoy it!) It wasn't until she (literally) kicked me in the butt that I figured it would be less dangerous to check out Mudcat than not to!! :^)

As for Leaving Loudly: As has been pointed out above, that makes one less person to answer a music question or discuss a music topic, which is a pity. On the other hand, if one complains that one cannot FIND enough here to interest him, then how much of the responsibility for that situation falls upon that person for not CONTRIBUTING material that interests him and may spark the interest of his fellow musicians? Don't know about anyone else here, but I don't own a silver platter upon which to serve people such as the Loudly-Leaving GUEST what they want.

I'm another Catter in favor of a split forum, simply for the ease and convenience of finding music threads without scrolling through the BS, and vice versa! I'm here to enjoy both, and I realize that music threads creep into BS, and that BS threads often make reference to music, so the Forum would never TRULY be "split". I like the setup of Jon Freeman's Annexe (by general topic), which is yet another alternative to Leaving Loudly.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 05:52 PM

I suppose I'm known for my occasional rants against the idiotic subjects many Mudcatter choose to post about. The alignment of the moon and stars is not quite right for me to make another rant, so I won't. I don't really mind anything that gets posted here at Mudcat - as long as it's posted in moderation. Birthday threads and healing threads and prayer threads bug me mostly because they're always the same thing, multiplied exponentially. There's nothing essentially wrong with them, but the quantity gets mind-boggling. Even the World Trade Center discussion has reached the point of saturation.

So, where do we go? Which direction do we take things to try to keep some semblance of sanity? How do we keep ourselves from smothering in our own Spam?

I think we have a problem with people who have a compulsion to create threads. I don't have solid statistics, but I'll betcha that a very small number of Mudcatters create a very large number of threads - and many are on topics that already have existing threads. If one thread draws a number of posts, then some idiot has to start a copycat thread that draws repeats of the posts from the first thread. Soon, our cleverness seems to start fading into babble.

I noticed a sad message from somebody who claimed to have been insulted by the way some Mudcatters had reacted to him, and he seemed to be saying that he was leaving us. Maybe it's not so bad he's leaving. I checked his posting record - and he had never once posted to a music thread, and yet he started seven threads on the World Trade Center in a two-day period.

Generally, I think that if you create more than a couple of threads a week, you may have a problem. Obsessive-compulsive disorder, or narcissism, or something Freudian. Next time you start a thread, ask yourself if your starting of the thread is going to make thousands of people think you have a really kinky sexual disorder. If you stop to think about that for just a moment each time you start a thread, maybe that would balance out our thread-creation process a bit. Hey, maybe we could have a little window that pops up the third time in a week a person starts a thread, and require them to pass the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory before allowing thread creation.... (that test really bugged me - why did it keep asking me about my bowel movements?)

But, anyhow, since I wasn't going to rant, what I meant to say is that I've found some very satisfying music threads amidst the much this week - Even if you have nothing to contribute, take a look at some of them. In fact, if you have nothing to contribute to a music thread, please resist the temptation to post.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: RWilhelm
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 05:19 PM

There are NOT more music threads now than the begining, either by count or percent of total.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 04:41 PM

Or just go here - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=39525&messages=22


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 04:30 PM

And another thing, he said, if the music threads are of primary importance - how come there are only a few folks responding to the call for performers at the winter gathering of "Cat concerts" he asked with a glimmer in his eye?

Broken pick syndrome?? *BG*

Steve


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 04:18 PM

"Happiness, however, is not getting what you want, it is wanting what you have."

Amen - Steve


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 03:44 PM

And then there are those who ARRIVE LOUDLY. The really odd thing is, some of them do that...and then they hardly ever post again. I think one or two of them may have never, in fact, posted again.

Now that's an even stranger phenomenon, if you ask me.

Maybe it's Sudden-Mudcat-Death-Syndrome or something...

- LH


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Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Mooh
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 03:29 PM

I guess there's more music threads now than in the beginning. N'est pas? Self edit the rest and there's a pretty good music site here.

I'm still reeling from a Tony McManus show last week. Mooh.


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