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Subject: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 11:44 AM

Time for another thread as we continue to worry and pray for all involved.......Many NYC Catters to hear from including Sinsull and Larry (InOTB).........

Nothing approaching this magnitude of coordinated terrorism has ever happened.......As Mick said, there will be some dirty work first, but I can only hope that all the nations will get together on this and put an end to this most horrendous type of cowardly warfare.......So many thousands of innocents here........

Latest report stated that United Airlines is "gravely concerned" about yet another missing flight......

PREVIOUS THREAD IS HERE

Spaw


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: The_one_and_only_Dai
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 11:46 AM

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_395838.html?menu=news.latestheadlines

Ananova : Some planes 'still unaccounted for' say US authorities

US aviation authorities are reporting several planes are unaccounted for.

They are said to be in addition to the ones which have already crashed.

A plane which hit the ground 80 miles southeast of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, is believed to have been a Boeing 747 on route from Chicago to New York.

There are still reports that one aircraft is heading towards Washington.

ITN reports Canada is shutting down all airports.

World travel has been thrown into chaos. Many US-bound flights had already left the UK when American officials decided to close all US airports.

Officials at other America-serving UK airports, including Heathrow and Gatwick, are trying to cope with the travel backlog.

These airports, too, would have had passengers already in the air and heading for America, with hundreds of others due to travel later today.

Story filed: 16:19 Tuesday 11th September 2001


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 11:48 AM

The number for any UK residents concerned about friends/relatives 0207 008 0000


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Amos
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 11:50 AM

Osama Bin Laden announced three weeks ago that his people would launch an unprecedented attack against the United States. The rationale was retribution for the US' support of Israel.

This certainly qualifies.

It also answers Mick's question about what could drive people to so desperate a measure.

Our whole team has been told they may go home from the research base where i work if they are uncomfortable there; although I wasn't particularly uncomfortable, my BBW's concerns prevailed.

I am sorry to say that I believe an act of war, and a second day of infamy, is with us this morning. The body count may well match Pearl Harbor's, I have heard.

I cannot imagine what the scenario Bin laden's plannersa could have had in mind would be in terms of benefit to their people or their concerns. If this analysis of the source of these attacks is concerned, Bin laden himself will be buried in a bunker before a year is out. His people will not benefit and may in fact support grievous harm because of his psychotic and juvenile actions.

I am clearly making assumptions here, with very skimpy real data. It is a possible interpretation only.

Stay well, friends, stay brave, and for god's sake stay awake and rational. Striking blindly will be worse than not striking at all. This may be war, or it may not be; it is not chaos.

Amos (Reposted from Part I)


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Amos
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 11:55 AM

• Israel has evacuated all its missions around the world.

• The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta was evacuated. CDC was preparing bioterrorism teams in case they become necessary.

• Philadelphia landmarks were also evacuated.

• In Chicago, the Sears Tower was evacuated; United Nations in New York evacuated.

• The New York Port Authority said it had closed all bridges and tunnels into the city.

• U.S. stock markets were closed after the New York attacks.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: wildlone
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 11:56 AM

Just home from work and saw the news.
Our thoughts and prayers are with you.
Heavy Military air traffic in area at moment.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 11:56 AM

United announced that a second of their flights, 175, which they were "gravely concerned" about, has also gone down....no details yet. That's FOUR airliners involved at least.

Highly organized and yes Amos, another day of infamy.....and I echo your thoughts and concerns....

Spaw


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: sophocleese
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 11:57 AM

All flights in Canada have been cancelled. Canadian Airports are scrambling trying to deal with an increase in international flights.

Osama Bin Laden seems to be the leading contender for responsibilty for this. But as we have just been reminded on the radio, after Oklahoma it was thought to be international terrorism and that wasn't. At this moment a lot of what we hear is rumour and unconfirmed, educated and intelligent rumour, but rumour nonetheless.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Hollowfox
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 11:59 AM

As a quick, surreal note, both the university and the library system are shutting down from noon todat until tomorrow. Now to go home, try to get better nres off the TV, and pray.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 11:59 AM

Sinsull is okay! She was on jury duty in Queens, and just got home.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: SharonA
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:00 PM

New Jersey Turnpike is closed. (The north end of this highway leads into New York City.)


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Big Mick
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:02 PM

I just saw footage of the celebration in the streets of the Palestinian areas.......children smiling, car horns tooting, candy being handed out..........they should enjoy this day, because I fear they will not have much to celebrate very soon..........much misery will be visited very soon..........watching these people celebrate the deaths of so many civilians makes it hard to keep the rudder centered...........but we must. We have such a formidable weapons cache, that if our leadership doesn't maintain a deliberate, and surgical, view of this we could very well enter into a tragic circumstance.......


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:02 PM

Jon Freemans new forum is available for anyone wishing to add their prayers/thoughts, maybe we could keep this thread for news of loved ones etc.(this is only a sugestion)


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:03 PM

Still waiting to hear from Larry, thosp, Joy Bennett, Suffet and others..........


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: bill\sables
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:03 PM

Has anyone heard anything from Dan & Bonnie Milner, and Joy Bennett yet?


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: GUEST,Mikey Joe
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:04 PM

This seems to confirm Palestinian Involvement FROM SKY NEWs

Palestinians Celebrate Attacks Palestinians gave away sweets in the West Bank city of Nablus to celebrate a series of aircraft attacks on two major US cities.

Several dozen Palestinian youths also gathered in Arab East Jerusalem to celebrate, honking out wedding tunes on their car horns after the attacks levelled the twin towers of the World Trade Centre in New York and struck the Pentagon in Washington. In Nablus, motorists honked their horns and gunmen fired into the air from assault rifles to cheer on the attacks, which unfolded in the space of a few hours and stunned people around the world.

'So happy'

Despite Palestinian President Yasser Arafat condemning the attacks, Palestinians, who have often burned US flags in protests during their 11-month-of uprising against Israeli occupation, celebrated in the streets of Arab East Jerusalem.

"I feel I am in a dream. I never believed that one day the United States would come to pay a price for its support to Israel," said a 24-year-old Palestinian gunman named Mustafa.

Another demonstrator said: "We are so happy that America was hit. America is against us in supporting Israel".


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Roger in Sheffield
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:04 PM

Just horrific, how many casualties?
hard to believe the buildings came down like they did


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:05 PM

It is good to hear that Sinsull is ok, does anyone know if our other friends in the area are ok?


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: MMario
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:05 PM

Thank god about Sinsull! Hope Larry can check in soon.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:06 PM

repost from other thread:
mobile networks can close their networks & restart in a mode which allows use by specified user groups only (eg doctors, govt officials, emergency services etc). Ordinary users would be unable to use the service. This sounds like what you mean by comandeered.
UK has closed airports til further notice, aircraft en route have been called back to UK, City square mile, canary wharf, Houses of Parliament etc are evacuating. Stock exchange closed early. There are rumours of the tubes being closed (unconfirmed).
All is very confused and worrying for all. Very worried for everyone everywhere.
There are reports of one or maybe two planes still unaccounted for - but these could be due to general confusion.
Kris


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:07 PM

Two United flights have now crashed, just reported from Seattle. Flight 175, a 767 Boston to LA, but they do not know where it has crashed. Four airline flights involved so far.

Sinsull heard, in NYC, that 8 aircraft are thought to be involved.

200 firefighters are unaccounted for at the WTCenters.

Even so, please, please, let's not invoke the thought of "war" just yet. Our thoughts and words can be very powerful.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Mad Maudlin
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:08 PM

Things fall apart, the center cannot hold... I'm safe here in Germany, but I'm deeply shocked.

God protect you all.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:08 PM

How about our DC friends too? A lot of the folk community are in government buildings.

Waiting prayerfully for news.
Linn


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Kim C
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:09 PM

Nothing quite like this has ever happened in my lifetime.

Can't think.

My Army friend is in Colorado and I am not really concerned about him, but I am concerned about what this could possibly mean for our soldiers. Plus, he has family in Pennsylvania... I know his father travels in his work.

Maybe if I go back to sleep and wake up again it will all go away.

I just don't have anything pithy to say today.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:10 PM

The last time I was this scared was the day Kennedy was shot. The world is changed forever, starting today, and I can only wonder in terror what kind of world we have made for our children.

My irrational reaction has been to furiously dig into cleaning the house. Trying, I guess, to make one little enclave of neat, clean, sane existence. I cleaned the bathroom, cleaned the bedroom, started washing clothes. One thought was that maybe the power would go off all over the country, and we would at least have underwear to wear. And maybe, more than anything, the world needs people who are neat and clean and wear underwear.

All those people going to work in the World Trade Center, grumbling about another day at the office, and now buried beneath the devastation. All our most respected authorities holed up somewhere secret to try to figure out what to do. The Pentagon, the CIA, the UN, all the embassies, everyone important in the scheme of world events and national security is trying to figure out these world events and national security.

My son just called to say his first day of classes at college in Boston was called off. They evacuated the school and sent everyone home. I couldn't even speak for crying so hard, but I told him I loved him. My 20-year-old son who is one of the heirs of this crazy world we have somehow built.

Another irrational reaction was to think about the party I had just sent out invitations to. My e-mail said that we had anniversaries, birthdays, retirements, friendships and the glorious New England Fall to celebrate. My thought now is that we have nothing to celebrate, everything to mourn. My mind keeps dredging up song titles and lyrics that fit the horror that's unfolding. I'm clutching at fragments of known pain already memorialized in music to attempt to explain the unknown pain that is happening in my world. What have they done to my song, Ma?

I'm comforted by the fact that the mailman just delivered our mail, just like on a normal day. God help us.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:10 PM

I too saw the Palestinian coverage and Mick, you phrased it well.......Pearl Harbor I feel probably has nothing on this..........I hope we can remain as "surgical" as possible, but there is no doubt that this country will demand retribution for this. Once again, I hope all the other leading nations of this world can finally unite in stopping this type of warfare.......a war on innocents......everywhere.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:11 PM

Well - sort of puts the concerns about Flamers and Trolls in perspective. And I am not making light of this. I work on a military base and we are shut down tight. Having fought in one war I certainly am not looking forward to this - we are all praying for those involved and for our folks here as we will be part of the response team.

I hope all of the other Catters are OK - Steve


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Big Mick
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:14 PM

kat..........war has already been invoked. How it will be prosecuted on our part is the only question. Pray in whatever way you do that, that it is done in the most efficient, and most directed way as possible. I find myself praying that President Bush listen to his advisors very carefully. I am so grateful at this moment that Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice are in Senior positions. I also pray that Cheney is not given much voice.

Mick


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:16 PM

I don't know what to say, just that I am here and thinking of the people involved. JohnB`


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: bassen
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:19 PM

SAS flights on their way to the US ordered to return to Scandinavia, further flights cancelled.

US, Israeli and other foreign embassies/offices in Oslo put under heavy guard. Norwegian foreign minister calls the attacks "an attack on democracy, an attack on us all".

A grim time ahead for us all, this will have ramifications far beyond any immediate retaliation. My rational mind wants to understand the Palestinian reaction, my heart and my gut rages Prayers to you all in this dark hour.

bassen


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:21 PM

Just heard on Sky live feed that America has sealed all its land borders.
Kris


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Kim C
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:23 PM

Norton, what base are you at?


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Amos
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:25 PM

I believe we have a real problem on our hands, militarily.

1. This is a coordinated and sophisticated logistical attack using non-military equipment.

2. In order to stage such an attack the perpetrators must have been operating from a safe haven. You can't launch this kind of coordination from an apartment in Algiers -- well you can, but this much coordination requires a government to cover up fgor you. In other words, a host nation sympathetic to your goals, or at least responsive to your bribes, sufficient to disguise your operations until they are implemented.

3. We do not know, in the ordinary terms of "nations and states" what group could be named as the target of our anger. Afghanistan? Palestine? Who, and where, is the enemy here? LEt here be no mistake that there is an "enemy", but I believe we are up against a "distributed enemy" and, as far as public knowledge extends, no idea what or where their centers of control and supply and communication are.

4. This implies to me a drawn out, distributed operation across a matrix of mixed participants and non-participants, an operation which is essentially a war but of a kind we have never fought before, even in Vietnam. It seems to me one of the inevitable consequences of these assumptions that we will see a large number of small tragedies attributable to wrong targets, misidentified foes, strikes going to wrong places. We learned a little about this in Vietnam where it was often hard to know who was friend and who was foe.

5. If this premise is correct, it means long, drawn out small-scale operations, high reliance on intelligence (which is not our strong suite), a strong need for rapid surgical deployment of force. We won't be moving battalions around. We'll be moving squads around, and possibly a large number of rapidly deployed individual agents or small teams. We have no experience thinking under these conditions and it will be riddled with stupid mistakes and learning experiences and wrongful deaths.

6. Because of the distributed nature of engagement and the fuzzy nature of the enemy we will see the worst wave of jingoism and mistrust this country has seen since Wilson's era or the anti-Nippon sentiments of the Second World War. A great deal of distrust and suspicion will be levied against the wrong peoples, such as Islamic refugees from Afghanistan and Yugoslavia who are trying desperately to build lives in peace. innocent cab drivers will be hauled out and attacked or killed if this scenario unrolls as predicted.

7. If it is the case that this attack was engendered by bin Laden or other fanatics, we face two really inestimable elements of risk. One is that this could lead to a massive world-scale conflict between Western forces and the massive population of Allah worshippers who make up a large and wide-spread portion of the world. In other words, a World War drawn not on political but on religous grounds. A second element is that we are facing (in this speculative scenario) fanatacism rooted in the belief that the sure path to Allah's garden is to die in his service. This kind of fanatacism makes military operations extremely difficult, and we have little or no experience in addressing it with other means, such as concentrated PR campaigns, psy ops and similar. Tokyo-Rose class approaches won't wash here. I tremble at the question of whether we have minds in command who are capable of addressing this kinbd of situation effectively.

Sorry for rambling on. Don't let me scare you -- remember, these are speculative efforts to analyze on insufficient data.

Stay brave, stay awake, stay rational, and be true to your heart.

A.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: LR Mole
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:27 PM

We must remain calm in our mourning and consoling. We are tough and loving people, and there will be need for us.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Cappuccino
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:28 PM

Our thoughts are with you. God Bless.

- Ian B


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:29 PM

The debris littering the streets of NYC along with the ash..........Papers that had been on the desks of people now probably dead. Important papers, "must do" and "Urgent"...........It all pales now doesn't it?

The many dead and injured, the families, the friends........all of us............

Spaw


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: sophocleese
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:29 PM

Niagara Falls and Fort Erie border crossings are still open at this moment, but the Windsor Detroit Tunnel is closed. Soon probably all border crossings will be closed.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:30 PM

I know what you mean, Barbara- the instinct to do something is very strong. Meanwhile I still have to teach a kindergarten class and pretend that everything is happy and fine, and then work in small groups of 4th graders on a project meant to protect, beautify, and map a lovely small park in our school neighborhood. But rather than feel despair for the futility of such things, I feel hope that we can strive to go on for the sake of the children.

Really, that's my mantra for anything I need to think about:
For the sake of the children...
For the sake of the children...
For the sake of the children...
For the sake of the children...


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Amos
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:33 PM

Your mantra, needed more than ever, is the right one, Anima. To bring out wisdom in young souls is the only hope for the long term future of the planet.

The tragic roots of this day's work are in the allegiance to falsehood, the perpetration of authoritarian beliefs and the suppression of natural critical intelligence. These are the real crimes of our time.

A.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Amergin
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:36 PM

Amos, I agree with you...but also I see internment camps.....


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:37 PM

My sister, too, Animaterra. I just got an email from her, she wishes they could go home, but in the meantime she carries on, teaching the little children music.

I understand, Mick, thank you. Unfortunately, I have no faith at all in the minds in our government, at the moment. I wish Clinton was still in the White House. I know it is good to face what may be reality, but I also feel we have a responsibility to try not to contribute to the negativity which is going to spread all over, much as Amos has mapped out.

I am concerned for my friend, here, who is a religious refugee from Iran; he has already suffered many physical and verbal attacks just for existing.

I am also concerned for my nephew-in-law who is in the Air Force.

I wish the Dalai Lama would make a statement. It is his voice I'd like to hear on this.

Thanks,

kat


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Dharmabum
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:38 PM

Of all the heartbreaking scenes I've witnessed this morning,the coverage of the Palestinian men,women & children,celebrating the loss of American lives,has struck me harder than the rest.

I pray I never attain such disregard for human life.

I truly hope those people represent only a small portion of the Palistinian population.

Ron.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:38 PM

Just reported (WBUR Boston) that all cars will be checked at NH/Canada border, but the border is open.

Bat Goddess


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: nutty
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:40 PM

Almost speechless by the sights on the TV screen ......totally unbelievable ..... with worse to come when the smoke clears.
I just hope that all East Coast Mudcatters are safe and well


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Cappuccino
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:41 PM

Yes, we in England have just seen the celebrations in one sector of Jerusalem.

Sickening.

- Ian


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Charley Noble
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:44 PM

Still shaking my head...Just heard from my brother in Brooklyn via e-mail than his daughter Katie is OK, being evacuated from her school 3 blocks from the trade centers. Thousands and thousands must have been killed.

I hope the media plays down inflamatory video of anyone celebrating this terrorist attack, but I doubt it. Once again reality is far worse than our fiction.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:44 PM

I really cannot understand this, people are celebrating the deaths of other human beings.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: mousethief
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:45 PM

Checking in from Seattle. Airport closed down as are they all; they have evacuated the taller buildings downtown. Just a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. So many people! There were daycares in those World Trace Center buildlings; a co-worker of my wife's knew children in one of them; still no word on their whereabouts.

Prayers here for all the victims and their families.

Alex


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Pseudolus
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:45 PM

Hello All, it's been a while but with the events of the day, I kinda needed to stop in.

I've been reading the threads and I must say, as much as I agree with the thought "For the sake of the children", I can't help but picture those same children dancing in the streets celebrating the deaths of our own. The people responsible for this live in a world that few if any of us will ever be able to understand. To try to reflect our morals, opinions and beliefs on them is like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. They don't have value for their own lives, it is naive to think they will have respect for any human life. I'm afraid they will only understand one thing, and that is force. I am angry and sad. I'm also glad that the decision is not mine, although I know what that decision would be.....

I pray for them all........ Frank


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 12:46 PM

The Toronto City Hall is being evacuated at the moment. There is a large plume of smoke coming from it's basement area. The City TV newscast is attempting to downplay this at the moment, so we don't know whether it's as serious as it appears visually, or simply a "garbage fire" (as they're speculating).

All downtown offices here are closed and there's a major traffic bottleneck as people try to get to the suburbs. Most Canadian businesses have ties to the New York offices, so that's the reason for the closings. Don't think there have been security threats.

Rick (from Scarborough Ontario Canada, five miles east of Toronto)

Our thoughts are with the folks in New York and Washington.


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