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Lyr Req: Re: Deirdre & St Patrick's Lorica

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Haruo 26 Jul 01 - 08:35 PM
Stewie 26 Jul 01 - 09:13 PM
Stewie 26 Jul 01 - 09:17 PM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 26 Jul 01 - 09:59 PM
Haruo 27 Jul 01 - 05:57 PM
Brían 28 Jul 01 - 04:14 PM
Haruo 28 Jul 01 - 06:18 PM
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Subject: Re: Deirdre & St Patrick's Lorica
From: Haruo
Date: 26 Jul 01 - 08:35 PM

Can anybody direct me to the Irish text underlying the C F Alexander English hymn called "St Patrick's Breastplate" or "St Patrick's Lorica"? To the tune it's sung in in Irish? To the traditional words sung to the interpolated tune "Deirdre" (the "Christ be with me, Christ within me" stanza that is normally given as the next-to-last verse of the Alexander hymn)? To any other pertinent details, discussion of origins, scholarly takes on Patrician provenance, etc., etc.?

Liland

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Re: Deirdre & St Patrick's Lorica
From: Stewie
Date: 26 Jul 01 - 09:13 PM

A Google search for "St Patrick's Breastplate' gives lots of hits, including:

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Re: Deirdre & St Patrick's Lorica
From: Stewie
Date: 26 Jul 01 - 09:17 PM

Don't know what happened to that clickie thing - I probably left out a bracket. I'll try again:

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Re: Deirdre & St Patrick's Lorica
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 26 Jul 01 - 09:59 PM

I found a different song, apparently, at St. Patrick's Breastplate


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Re: Deirdre & St Patrick's Lorica
From: Haruo
Date: 27 Jul 01 - 05:57 PM

The two (Stewie's and George's) versions don't look that dissimilar to me. Thanks. So is there a different Irish text that underlies the other stanzas (1-7, 9) of Mrs. Alexander's St. Patrick's Breastplate (since only verse 8, the one sung to Deirdre, seems clearly and directly based on the Gaelic texts you guys found for me; that and part of verse 9)? Or did she write it all herself, or what? I have a MIDI of seven verses, and one of 9 verses, accessible from my Hymnal Additions page (listed under "St. Patrick's Breastplate" in the list of newly added melodies (sorry it's not in English; the Cyber Hymnal MIDI is lacking the Deirdre interpolation).

Liland


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Re: Deirdre & St Patrick's Lorica
From: Brían
Date: 28 Jul 01 - 04:14 PM

You might try this old thread:BREASTPLATE OF PATRICK.

Brían.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Re: Deirdre & St Patrick's Lorica
From: Haruo
Date: 28 Jul 01 - 06:18 PM

I'm transferring these issues to this thread. Thanks for pointing it out, Brían; there's a note for you there about Bunessan texts.

And thanks Jeff for the editing work.

Liland


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