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Ashley MacIsaac to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot

Sandy Mc Lean 28 Feb 08 - 10:49 PM
Jack Campin 28 Feb 08 - 08:23 PM
Sandy Mc Lean 27 Feb 08 - 09:22 PM
Jack Campin 27 Feb 08 - 07:56 PM
Bobert 27 Feb 08 - 07:34 PM
GUEST,meself 27 Feb 08 - 07:21 PM
Betsy 27 Feb 08 - 06:55 PM
M.Ted 27 Feb 08 - 06:49 PM
GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice 26 Feb 08 - 02:06 PM
GUEST,meself 26 Feb 08 - 02:06 PM
Snuffy 26 Feb 08 - 12:54 PM
irishenglish 26 Feb 08 - 12:03 PM
GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice 26 Feb 08 - 11:58 AM
katlaughing 26 Feb 08 - 11:50 AM
GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice 26 Feb 08 - 11:40 AM
irishenglish 26 Feb 08 - 11:39 AM
Big Mick 26 Feb 08 - 11:36 AM
katlaughing 26 Feb 08 - 11:30 AM
GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice 26 Feb 08 - 11:17 AM
irishenglish 26 Feb 08 - 10:20 AM
Beer 26 Feb 08 - 09:55 AM
Beer 26 Feb 08 - 09:41 AM
Slag 26 Feb 08 - 02:31 AM
Barry Finn 26 Feb 08 - 01:45 AM
Rowan 26 Feb 08 - 01:43 AM
katlaughing 26 Feb 08 - 12:34 AM
Sandy Mc Lean 26 Feb 08 - 12:32 AM
katlaughing 26 Feb 08 - 12:06 AM
GUEST,Just wondering 25 Feb 08 - 11:28 PM
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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 10:49 PM

Yes there are more Gaels in Scotland but there are also many more non Gaels who have changed the culture. I am not sure what you mean by mythology. Are you a Gaelic speaker Jack?


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Jack Campin
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 08:23 PM

There have always been far more Gaelic speakers in Scotland than in Cape Breton, and still are.

There are currently more of them in Glasgow than in the rest of the world put together.

Cape Breton is home to an interesting *part* of Gaelic culture with some very significant music, but it doesn't need the mythology it's acquired in certain quarters.

Is Buddy Macmaster better than Farquhar Macrae was? Silly question. Both Gaels and not much alike.


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 27 Feb 08 - 09:22 PM

I have often heard said that Cape Breton Island is the most westerly of the Hebrides. Two centuries ago when vast areas of Scotland's Islands and Highlands were cleared of its native Gaelic speaking populace Cape Breton became their new home. Here in relative isolation the Gaelic language, music, dance and song was preserved. Meanwhile much changed in Highland Scotland and the old dance and music style was changed.
Jack says"There is no unique Scottish style, and there are many other players who can do the other ones better." and that is no doubt true. However what I refer to as Scottish style is the music of the Gaels. Today it is called Cape Breton style but it is really the old style of Scotland that has only been preserved better here. Buddy is every bit as highly regarded in Scotland as in Canada by his peers there who have learned much of the old style from him. That is the style that Ashley plays when he is playing properly and he is very good at it.
Tha mi an dochas gu bhi ceol seo beo gu brath!
   More on Scottish styles here:
http://www.fiddlingaround.co.uk/scotland/frame%20scotland.html


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Jack Campin
Date: 27 Feb 08 - 07:56 PM

I heard him playing with a dancer in Edinburgh (an actor called "Tap Eire") about three years ago, doing a sort of knowingly self-referential Irish trad. He was excellent and I'd go to hear him again.

No idea what Ashley Hutchings does; I believe he led some over-arranged English folk-rock band in the 70s. Not a genre I care about. I presume any performer from that era will have done as many drugs as MacIsaac. It doesn't matter either way.

: Buddy MacMaster seen playing with him on YouTube is widely regarded as
: the greatest living Scottish style fiddler.

Maybe he is so regarded in Canada. There is no unique Scottish style, and there are many other players who can do the other ones better.


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Feb 08 - 07:34 PM

...cough...

Ahhhhh, 10 years old is too young... I didn't turn my kid on until he was pushin' 18 and only did so 'cause he asked me about it and we talked about it...

Yeah, he uses pot "recreationally"... He also goes to college, makes great grades, works part time and has his life purdy much together at 23...

Now, ya' gonna pass that joint over, 'er what???

B;~)


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 27 Feb 08 - 07:21 PM

It was seven years ago - get over it.

M. Ted: good post.


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Betsy
Date: 27 Feb 08 - 06:55 PM

Fairly sad ,I believe Paul McCartney advised a similar thing to "Grown ups " but I certainly wouldn't infer he said it to kids.
What a twat this guy is.


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: M.Ted
Date: 27 Feb 08 - 06:49 PM

The person who opened this thread, after seven years, or what ever, seems to have been Ashley McIsaac himself--I did add some spacing, to make it more readable--but here is the first paragraph--

hi figured after seven years had passed i could finally leave a comment on this site-

you people who seem to belevie everything you read let alone act like you know me from things siad in the media- well-you really out to get a life-

there are many comments on this site i could sue people for defamation for-as they are not based on any reality of my luife only the imagined one that you all seem to think is real-



I think that his point should be seriously considered, and his feelings, as well. I must admit that after all this time, I am not very happy about the tone of my own posts--my points had some merit, but at this late date, I am embarassed the smug and sarcastic tone, as well as by a certain inappropriate familiarity.

These threads live on, even after we've forgotten what we've written, or even that we've written it at all. And these threads are read by many people, sometimes the people who they are written about, and it is understandable that, though we may forget what we've said in them, the readers may not.


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 02:06 PM

I actually said "I've found with alot of Wikipedia entries, you have to take them with a grain of salt"
not all, but alot..and it was in reference to the current thread and not a random pot shot at Wikipedia

Charlotte (making enquiries)


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 02:06 PM

Before this thread hits bottom and, we hope, disappears: Ashley is a phenomenal Cape Breton fiddler, and can stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the universally recognized greats: Winston Fitzgerald, Angus Chisholm, Buddy MacMaster ... at that level of ability, it becomes a subjective matter of personal preference for certain stylistic approaches and habits as to which musician is superior to another. Btw, I would put Natalie MacMaster right up there as well.

Having said that, Ashley has given at least one bad performance - I saw it - and apparently has done and said some quite stupid things.

Make of it what you will. I don't think there is a neat conclusion.


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Snuffy
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 12:54 PM

Yeah, don't believe Wikipedia. Get your facts from Mudcat instead - it's all true, I tell ya.

(smoke, pot, without, black, calling, fire, kettle, no)


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: irishenglish
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 12:03 PM

True, wiki isn't always accurate, but the salient facts usually give you a base for investigating further. That's one of the things I do like about it, you can also cross reference things easily. Natalie MacMaster is awesome, btw!


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 11:58 AM

I must admit to not being a particular fan of Ashley McIsaac, but I'm aware he does have a fan base, and kat, I agre, re-opening an old thread just for the sake of it seems a bit of a waste of time. I've found with alot of Wikipedia entries, you have to take them with a grain of salt..accuracy is not high on their list of things to do, though they are getting better.

speaking of Buddy (if you mean McMaster) his niece Natalie was recently in town performing with out local symphony orchestra...an truly magical evening.

Charlotte (the view from Ma and Pa's piano stool)


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 11:50 AM

Of course, I was just wondering the same of recent posters who seemed to be responding only with old info to old info.

I think the video of him with Buddy is a more up-to-date one, btw, than the other link.


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 11:40 AM

" Does anyone have any up-to-date info on Ashley? Know how he is doing now?"

can you spell W.e.b.s.i.t.e ?

Charlotte (skiffle while you work)


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: irishenglish
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 11:39 AM

CHeck out wikipedia for recent news, including his attempt (?) at politics, his same sex marriage last year,and his rock album. He has seemed to mellow out a bit, but what I said about his autobiography is true, in my opinion he is not willing to take any blame for himself.


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Big Mick
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 11:36 AM

Ashley MacIsaac fiddlin' around in a YouTube video


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 11:30 AM

This is one of those hilarious times at Mudcat where some people come into a seven year old thread and post as if it was just written yesterday. Does anyone have any up-to-date info on Ashley? Know how he is doing now?


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 11:17 AM

I was so hoping this was an Ashley Hutchings thread.
Damn.

EJ

Ashley who?
BTW it's spelt "paparazzi."

Alex

when you've no idea who Ashley Hutchings is and you know how to spell paparazzi....says alot to me.

Charlotte (momma's got a squeeze box and dad's gonna kill me)


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: irishenglish
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 10:20 AM

Funny, he can talk about how nothing the press has reported to be true, or overexaggerated, but in his autobiography, he didn't exactly deny things either. Everything in that book was-"."Well, I said that about SARS, but I didn't really mean it, was all a joke, you just didn't get it." THe entire book was about his being misunderstood, and of course, he had no culpability in any of the scandals he has been tied to. I saw him in 1996 in Dublin, and he was amazing. But brilliant musicianship does not make up for shooting your mouth off, and when someone calls you on it, you run for cover and say, "The press, the press did it."


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Beer
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 09:55 AM

Speaking of You Tube, have a listen to the clip titled "Fiddle Medley Ashley and Friends.


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Beer
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 09:41 AM

Well Said Barry.


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Slag
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 02:31 AM

Never heard of this guy and now I hope to never hear of him again. 10 years old is about the age every pusher of every harmful habit aims for. Why? Because that's the age where nature begins the process of separation of children from the nest and the beginning of differentiation and individualization involves rites of passage and symbols of approaching adulthood.

Be cool kids, be older than you appear, be wiser than your years. Here's what your parents and the adults have been keeping you from. They've been holding you back. They know that in the day wherein you eat of it your eyes will be opened and you shall know good from evil. So, yeah kid, have some pot/tobaco/booze/chaw/betel nuts/LSD-25/ name it. Most pushers usually proposition your kids out of earshot of you parents but this fool advocates from the stage??? I don't think he will stay in business too long.


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Barry Finn
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 01:45 AM

I saw Ashley at a Celtic Festival in Boston some yrs ago, they were highlighing 'youth' & he is as good as what's just been said about him. I believe he played with 2 other "kids" 1 maybe a cousin & they were causing my socks & the socks of everyone else there to roll up & down like window shades & the crowd was "WOWed" by them. He did a bit of talkin, being a Bostonian & him being a Cape Breton along with the crowd, I heard nothing outlandish but I couldn't understand much either, though the crowd did & seemed to love him, except for maybe a few purists.

1st off I believe nothing from the scandle sheets, as it is I believe only half of what I actually see & nothing of what I hear espically when it's from a 2nd or 3rd (rate) source. If he's gone down a drug or a drunk's road it'll show up & you'll know for sure, untill then go see him for yourself. If he's been down some road you can't abide & he's come back again, the mores the credit to him. But by all means don't judge his music by some newspaper or reporter's standards. He's well worth seeing. I know many musicians/singers that are great but they can't navigate a course past a barroom door. Their greatness may not last as long but until then they are worthy of hearing even though it's a pity to see such human waste. Then on the other hand if he going to pot you'd better catch him while he's in his prime or it's you who'll have had wasted a worth while opportunity.
Now does anyone actually know the actuall context & content of the "so called" statement & does anyone know if his words/reply were twisted or not for the sake of selling schock value shit. He's still pretty much a kid, does anyone if he just didn't stumble & stick his foot in his mouth by mistake, we'd all love to take back comments we've made that just didn't sound the way we thought they'd sound before or as we were making them. Who hasn't taken a bite of their own toe? Don't be a part of destroying a talented kids career unless you know for sure 1st hand of what you accuse him of. He talented enough where he should be at least given the benifit of the doubt before he or you has enough rope to hang him with. I know he wasn't 'out of it' when I saw him, he was far beyond flawless!
I bet Woody had a few drinks & said a few things too!

"Piss Off"

Barry


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Rowan
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 01:43 AM

Ashley is one of the very best in ability to play.
and
Ashley plays a right handed strung fiddle holding it upside down.
and
I was wondering about how Ashley's fiddle was strung.

Are these, perhaps, the reason why this thread is above the line rather than in the BS section?


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 12:34 AM

Sandy, thanks, I knew that about Buddy. I was wondering about how Ashley's fiddle was strung. That just messes up my mind!


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 12:32 AM

Kat, Buddy MacMaster seen playing with him on YouTube is widely regarded as the greatest living Scottish style fiddler. Ashley plays a right handed strung fiddle holding it upside down.


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 12:06 AM

Never having seen him play, I didn't know he was left-handed until I saw This on youtube. Fantastic!


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: GUEST,Just wondering
Date: 25 Feb 08 - 11:28 PM

Having lived with a bipolar spouse for 37 years, the brief descriptions of this musician's behavior made me wonder if he's bipolar, has never been blatantly psychotic, and was never diagnosed.


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 25 Feb 08 - 11:18 PM

I think that the clones got the guests post. I posted this on another thread five years ago. I still fell the same but I think that he has matured in the meantime.

Subject: RE: Ashley MacIsaac
From: Sandy Mc Lean - PM
Date: 28 Mar 03 - 05:58 PM

Ashley is one of the very best in ability to play. I make no defence for the stupid things that he has done and said, but there are probably not very many who have heard him playing at his best. Most judge him by the crap that he plays for commercial purpose and that is a judgement made on partial evidence.
Most of the time when he plays in Cape Breton it is a different Ashley. If you could go to a square dance at Glencoe Mills or West Mabou and listen to Ashley and Howie MacDonald and Dave MacIsaac play together on some fast traditional jigs and reels it may leave you in awe.
Only available in in Cape Breton. A pity! :-}
                      Sandy

message undeleted so Sandy's comment makes sense. Remember the rule is one must post with a consistent ID, even as guests. This is why the post was deleted.


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Beer
Date: 25 Feb 08 - 11:10 PM

Well said Cluin. Now I'm going to read Guest's thread once more in hopes that I can figure him/her out as to what is being said.

I was up front in a show he did at the "Montreal Celtic Festival" about 6/7 years ago and I was in awe with his performance. it was like being there watching Jimmy Hendricks. Ashley is way way ahead of everyone else when it comes to the fiddle. In fact I think that he is totally bored with the status quo. Ashley is a very very special musician as Jimmy Hendricks was. I'm not saying this about Ashley from a point of not knowing anything about fiddling. I was brought up in a home of fiddlers.
Ashley may be fucked up because of drugs but he is the best.
Hope your doing well Ashley. I stood a moment behind the stage looking at you and wanted to go and introduce myself but though maybe it was best not to.

Beer (adrien)


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Cluin
Date: 25 Feb 08 - 10:28 PM

And pot does wonders for your keyboarding skills too.


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Feb 08 - 09:56 PM

hi figured after seven years had passed i could finallyleavea commentonthis site-
you people who seem tobelevieeverythingyoureadlet alone act likeyouknowmefrom thingssiad inthe media- well-you really outtoget alife-therearemany comments onthis site i could sue peoplefordefamation for-astheyare not based on any realityofmyluife onlythe imagined one that you allseem to think isreal-
-by theway i didn't smoke crack onthe evening of decemeber 31st 1999- i quit on februyray 24th 1999- which isnow 9year ago-and it was pot that allowed metoquit easily- not tomention idstoppedsmokingpotafew years after that-
those who think they know me-well
whatever- i could keep making up stories for therest of mylifeto thepress and they would keepprinting it
thanks for keeping thedream alive
as for caper-s- i have bruaght as much money onto cape breton island asanyone else ever- manypeople still go to my traditional events- and old ladies to thisday still wish i wouldmarry there young girl or nicecs and some even say there nephews now- i get more support than i ever need to keep mefed-
and one who may have everthoguht i was a shame or disgraced myself- are the sameones thast run home with ther pictureto show thier family "look who i met-"and truthfully i am happy toprovide the little bit of fodder that may entertian them for whatever reason they feelentertained- postive onegative- ther is enoguh stuff inthis world that isn't that entertaining like war pov erty andtories
think twice- casuethefirst time jsutaint hitting the right notes folks


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Marion
Date: 18 Jul 01 - 02:14 AM

To the guest who said, "I see that he's playing here at the Ottawa Folk Festival at the end of August. "

Are you from Ottawa? I hope to be volunteering at that festival. I hope you'll introduce yourself more; there are a handful of people here from Ottawa or the Valley (I'm in Perth myself).

Marion


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jul 01 - 01:58 AM

Specially for English Jon, and Mousethief!!


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Marion
Date: 18 Jul 01 - 01:33 AM

I'm surprised at the number of people who don't know who Ashley MacIsaac is. I'm sure everyone in Canada who is interested in music (as player or listener) knows who he is; I think it would be reasonable to say that he's one of the two most famous Canadian fiddlers right now (along with another young Cape Bretoner who all Canadians would recognize by first name alone).

While busking a few weeks ago, somebody told me that I reminded her of Ashley. I said, "Thank you."

Marion


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Tedham Porterhouse
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 09:36 PM

A few years ago, Nanci Griffith dropped off a tour with the Chieftains saying that she could not stand being on a bill with MacIsaac, who was also on the tour.


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: M.Ted
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 08:51 PM

I understand that his new album has gone platinum in Canada, Ickle, and that his record company expects him to appeal to sell big in the US with the Enya/NewAge market and the Riverdance markets. with a bit of the U2 market thrown in--

Drugs, cigarettes, alcohol, and reckless, irresponsible life styles are a part of the music culture that I have had to learn to accomodate, but I'll never get used to the publicity--


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Kara
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 07:50 PM

Like all drugs pot has it's benefits and it pit falls, I know a few hyperactive 10 year olds who might benefit from a joint rather than another glass of coke ( and thats the soft drink sort). But then again I have always been of the belief, that Hyperactive is just a modern term for in need of a good clip round the ear..;


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 07:16 PM

Too bad about Ashley, my daughter and I have enjoyed his music and the music of the other Cape Breton musicians. I shall still listen to him and as someone else mentioned "weed" is fairly benign compared some other stuff. LEJ's Wife (I'd better get a name, am tired of just being the "wife"!)


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: GUEST,McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 06:59 PM

A lot of recovering alcoholics will tell you their first drink was a sip off of daddy's beer.

No doubt true. So will a lot of other people who aren't alcoholics I am sure; and you could probably find a fair bunch of alcoholics with teetotal parents who'd say that was one of the factors which set them off drinking, as a way of freaking out the parents.

There are just so many variables here. The thing is, some people seem to be built to become addicts. Probably most of us are, but we've been lucky enough never to run across the stuff we're addicted to - or it turns out to be something reasonably benign like the Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: gnu
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 06:44 PM

Oh well, guess I'll have to enlighten... he is one hell of a fiddler. But, he has said some REALLY strAAAAnge stuff to the press. Perhaps he actually is strange, but one hell of a fiddler. You can see him play with the Chieftans on some of their videos. He's the young, skinny guy with the big noggin boots, sunglasses and flaming red hair and beard.

Go ahead CH. That set up was meant for you.


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 06:05 PM

Since I and many others on this thread have absolutely no idea who this guy is, may I suggest his attempts at self publicity are a miserable failure. Can't be doing with drugs I'm afraid - it must have been my methodist upbringing (or the fact that I hate smoking so spliffs held little or no interest for me)


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Amergin
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 05:49 PM

yawn....


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: gnu
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 05:41 PM

Madonna made a few bucks being outrageous. There might be a few others, too. As for Ashley's attempt, I think it might be just plain ill advised, given his audience. We've discussed Ashley before at the Mudcat and one 'Cat said that Ashley actually said some "off" things to him directly and, I think, privately. Food for thought but maybe part of the promotion, or, perhaps, I am just "hopeful". In any case, I listen to his music and attempt, albeit strained at times, to ignore the press releases.

I suppose I have to put my two cents in about the substance abuse as I beliveve the thread is really about influence on young people by musicians... or atheletes or whatever. Don't do drugs. They are bad for you. Now, excuse me, while I kiss the sky.


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Mooh
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 05:24 PM

Hmmm...AM is one of those artists who has a persona which overshadows his (admittedly considerable) ability to the point that I'm not interested in hearing him play. Biased? Yup. But sometimes personality dictates what I'll tolerate. I don't know many pot smokers who don't also smoke tobacco, so I don't know why it should be condoned. I'll bet that early alcohol use is tied statistically to smoking also, though I don't know that there's data so support my suspicion.

At any rate, why the question at all? Why does it always sound like kids have to choose between evils when they don't have to choose evil at all?

Peace. Mooh.


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: Rich(bodhránai gan ciall)
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 05:13 PM

A lot of recovering alcoholics will tell you their first drink was a sip off of daddy's beer. But then I don't know of many crackheads who've never smoked a joint. For a 10 year old kid, this is not all that different between whether you should shoot your kid or drown him in the bathtub. Jesus, what kind of path do you want to put that kid on. Heroin by 14? Prostitution by 16?

I think if I had kids, I'd rather they smoked pot, but that's not meant as an endorsement of either.

Rich


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 04:57 PM

It's hardly a new thing for "bad boy" musicians to live up to what is expected of them. It's a career move for them , and it's the stock-in-trade of the media.

Smoking's a bad idea at any age really, though tobacco is worse I'd say, especially with the stuff the tobacco pushers stick in what they sell.

I always remember when my son was about that age he came into the room and I was smoking a ciggy "Mum - Dad's smoking again" he roared. "AND IT's TOBACCO!!!"

As for the odd drink, don't most people let their kids have a sip or two from a pretty early age, as part of the process of helping them learn to use it sensibly? Whether it works or not I don't know. But so far as I've seen kids and adults with drink problems are at least as likely to come from non-drinking homes. Probably the best way to stop your kids drinking is to be a disgusting drunk yourself. And the same for other intoxicants.


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: MMario
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 04:24 PM

considering the number of 6 and 8 year olds who are already into drugs - what the ten year olds are hearing about really doesn't bother me. the damage for most of them is already done.


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Subject: RE: Ashley to 10 year olds: Smoke Pot
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jul 01 - 04:20 PM

At least Ashley MacIsaac wasn't telling ten year olds to smoke crack and give him a blowjob. Two suggestions that he's proven himself capable of in the past.

What surprises me is that reputable festivals and clubs will still book him. I see that he's playing here at the Ottawa Folk Festival at the end of August.


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