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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: folkie43
Date: 30 May 01 - 08:56 AM

So sad to hear of this news. There is a folk band in heaven, however, and he will be in it. My brother, Bill Domler, just passed away and I know that he will be waiting with open arms to help John through another life. I send my best to his family, and you will get through this difficult time. Keep playing his favorite music for him - it is so important.


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: BDenz
Date: 29 May 01 - 06:32 PM

If anyone from this group is actually visiting John, please pass along all our respects and best wishes.

Barb


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: sara_grl
Date: 21 May 01 - 04:41 PM

updates anyone??


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: GUEST,open mike
Date: 18 May 01 - 01:22 PM

if you go to mark o'connor's website ther are some fotos-- http://www.markoconnor.com/ the latest i hear is that John is home from the hospital, and music friends have been coming to his house to play and sing for him. He has had cancer for 20 years. He was scheduled to be the m.c. of the Carnegy hall concert featuring the sound track of the Oh Brother Where Art Thou but I fear he will not make it. This is listed on John's web site (where you will find an awesome foto of him surfing) (and you thought it was amazing that he could play an instrument and dance at the same time--but surf?!@) http://www.johnhartford.com/


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Tedham Porterhouse
Date: 18 May 01 - 10:27 AM

"I have a photo montage of MerleFest circa 1973 when the fiddler man was roaming the audience with a wireless mike and projecting his music over the whole area around the Watson Stage."

If it was Merefest, it wasn't 1973. Merefest was found in the 1990s.


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: GUEST,Luke
Date: 18 May 01 - 09:48 AM

I'm sorry to hear about John going down. He's been a good friend to music and most folks that play it. A fabulous guy it's a pity any of us have to die. But thats where we're going. It hurts to watch a compadre go on before it's time. God bless John and all of us.

Luke


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Sorcha
Date: 17 May 01 - 07:14 PM

No, I remember him on the Glen Campbell show......


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: voyager
Date: 17 May 01 - 06:54 PM

Does anyone recall John's days on the SMOTHERS BROTHERS show? How long was he with the show and what tunes was he performing back then?

I have a photo montage of MerleFest circa 1973 when the fiddler man was roaming the audience with a wireless mike and projecting his music over the whole area around the Watson Stage.

Love the man and the music.

voyager


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: GUEST,rasta
Date: 17 May 01 - 05:05 PM

sorry for the double entry , this makes it three ,is there any way of omiting the double entry or does it matter rastaaaaaaaaaaaa


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: GUEST,rasta
Date: 17 May 01 - 05:04 PM

I believe i opened up a show or stumbled in to see him some years ago at a club called the turning point. Pretty nice guy. on his break he sat at the bar and drank water and did pencil sketches just to pass the time. maybe a quick or slow prayer or some kind of chanting and a miracle and our friend could hang around a bit longer and like that ----rastaaaa


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Jeep man
Date: 17 May 01 - 04:46 PM

It seems that the good die young. Or is it that we don't care about the bad? Jeep


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Rex
Date: 17 May 01 - 10:59 AM

I am still hoping this tough fiddler for the people will yet pull through and get to enjoy a couple more good days or years. I am so grateful for what John Hartford has done in saving the old tunes and old ways. He has shown us the way and we know what to do now. But leaving us now would be before his time I think. Too soon. May he yet enjoy some good days.

Rex


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Kim C
Date: 16 May 01 - 05:27 PM

Maybe Mark heard that from someone else, and that's why he didn't call to find out himself. Rumors get around in Nashville - I know, I've only lived here 25 years. Anyway she will have to clear that in the radio press too, because My Friend the Publicist got it on a press report.

John Hartford is one of those people with a style so distinctive that you can recognize his fiddle playing right off, even if he isn't singing. That's really something.


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: JedMarum
Date: 16 May 01 - 04:01 PM

... that man had a true gift that he shared with the world ... sad to see him pass on, but blessed by his passing through.


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: MAG (inactive)
Date: 16 May 01 - 02:36 PM

John Hartford with his group Retro Grass (Mike Seeger and David Grisham) were on the broadcast we get here of E Town radio show (out of Colorado somewhere) last Saturday. It was not billed as a rebroadcast; Art's post clears up that John Hartford was touring with the other two until quite recently. they were great, but Hartford was sounding ill, and making reference to it. I was real glad to catch that broadcast, after following this thread.

and good for these good friends to help him perform as long as possible.


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Tedham Porterhouse
Date: 16 May 01 - 11:01 AM

I received this e-mail yesterday:

Message from Marie Hartford (John's wife)

To correct the Internet posting by Mark O'Connor regarding John Hartford.

The "family" of John Hartford has never refused phone calls. It is disturbing to hear from our friends that Mark O'Connor has made such a ridiculous statement, when he has not once made any attempt to verify his information by dialing our number himself.

John's friends are welcome to call and visit, as they have done faithfully during his illness.

Marie Hartford


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: GUEST
Date: 16 May 01 - 03:30 AM

Travelled in about May of 1973 to Johnson City Tennessee, it seems, to see John Hartford and Norman Blake at the Student Union or some such at East Tennessee State University; (could this have been so? Does the memory still serve?) He arrived in an old Chevy II, walked in,captured the entire tribe, acknowledged his victory with a smile and then in robinhoodlike fashion set each and every one free to return to their separate roamings with new songs and thoughts, many of which remain today.Again and again over the years his vision remained true.Somehow am reminded of John Chapman; i.e. Johnny Appleseed, also of the Ohio River country and with that sort of footprint, or so it again seems. Please keep us up on this topic. Thank you.


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Bill D
Date: 15 May 01 - 06:22 PM

I watched John totally break up on stage at Winfield once when he got to the 'heavy breathing' chorus and some sweet young thing in the front rows of the audience joined him in counterpoint:

"unhh"
"eeee"
"unhh"
"oooh" ....(hard to appreciate her timing and fervor here)

you'd think they had rehearsed it, except John had to stop and re-start the verse....*big grin*


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Art Thieme
Date: 15 May 01 - 05:56 PM

That's a wonderful story. I think I've been there.

Art


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Trapper
Date: 15 May 01 - 12:45 PM

I was in college, sharing a small apartment with two other guys. We had one bedroom - bunk beds and a single bed. If we had a lady visitor we were entertaining, the bedroom door would be closed, and we all respected that.

One night one of the roomies was taking a little too long - midnight, and the door was still closed. We had speakers set up in the bedroom, but the stereo was on our side of the wall. We put on John Hartford's "Aeroplane", and put the needle down in the "Boogie" cut. Started out at 33-1/3, slowly turned the speed up to 45rpm, then to 78 rpm...

..."We can boogie in the living room
Boogie in the den
C'mon baby, let's do it all again
Hey babe, you wanna boogie? ...(and don't forget the HEAVY BREATHING chorus!!!)

Anyway, by the time we got it up to 78rpm, the door flies open and our visitor, in a state of semi-disarray, goes storming out of the bedroom and out of the apartment. The roommate soon comes out and tries to be all mad, but we are laughing so hard that pretty soon he can't keep up the pretense and he's rolling on the floor too.

I've loved John Hartford ever since.

-Al


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: LR Mole
Date: 15 May 01 - 12:39 PM

Well, you can't stop a river, and you can't stop music.


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: GUEST,Arnie
Date: 15 May 01 - 09:49 AM

Every once in a while John would come up to Toronto with a band to do a concert. I remember seeing him over 23 years ago at York University. He did a long solo segment of fiddle, stepdance, hambone, general goofy monologue that had me totally mezmorised. Here was a brilliant performer who was so accomplished and yet eccentric enough to know not to take it all too seriously. Someone who knew how to have so much fun with the music he played and the people he was with - this is what strikes me as being so special about John Hartford. I can't help but laugh with joy when I listen to his recorded ramblings about Ed Haley, or "Rocky Top" on the Retrograss CD. I will be mindful of his great spirit of life as I continue to listen to his recordings and learn some of the tunes he played. Take a bow! Standing Ovation!


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: GUEST,Frogmore
Date: 14 May 01 - 11:07 PM

The first time I talked with John was on the phone. Scheduled to do a telephone interview with him on a college station, to promote a concert, I rang at the appointed hour. John answered, said he was expecting the call but was in the middle of writing a pretty cool song and was afraid he'd lose it if he talked to me. Could he please call back in 20 minutes? (His dime.) He was very sincere and polite and my response was very quick and also sincere. I said, "Hang up!" He called back and we had a good time with the interview. I asked him how the song went and he replied, "I nailed it." I've always wondered what it was. Jammed with him til 3AM a few years later and I'll never forget the energy. He continues to be a strong inspiration to me.


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: GUEST,Winters Wages
Date: 14 May 01 - 10:17 PM

This is too too sad. My prayers are with him and his family. I know maybe just a little bit of what he has been going through. This is a sad time W. Wages


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Stewart
Date: 14 May 01 - 05:07 PM

I was just sitting here listening to the radio when they played "Where does an old-time riverman go" by John Hartford -- it really broke me up. I first met John at Festival of American Fiddletunes 1999 in Port Townsend WA. What a great performer and musician. I will miss him.

S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Art Thieme
Date: 14 May 01 - 04:34 PM

John had a cancer removed from his neck back in the early 90's I think it was--maybe late '80s. His eating of garlic and other things sort of endeared (!?) him to many of us then. He seemed to've beaten the damn thing--but it returned. The diagnosis I heard was bone cancer. John was tired from the chemo as well as the cancer. He never quit his music though. Actually, it has kept him going I'm pretty damn sure. He travelled in his bus with a band in recent months and didn't dance hardly at all. Having the band on stage with him helped to ease the load. And then things got worse.

Man, it hurts to write this...

Art


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Kim C
Date: 14 May 01 - 12:37 PM

I thought it started as prostate cancer? I don't really know, I think that's just something that I heard.

I remember this joke he told when I saw him onstage. Imagine that voice of his.

There was a man who heard about a woman in his town that would do ANYTHING for $100, so he decided to seek her out. "She'll do ANYTHING, right?" he asked his friends.

"ANYTHING," they told him.

So he went to the house, and he knocked on the door. A woman answered. "May I help you?"

"Yes, I'm looking for the girl who will do ANYTHING for $100."

"Just a moment, please."

A little bit later a beautiful young woman returned. "Yes?"

"I heard you would do ANYTHING for $100. Is that true?" he asked.

"Yes it is," she said.

"Would you paint my house?"

:-)


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 14 May 01 - 01:42 AM

The great ones are becoming fewer and fewer...let's treasure the ones we have left. I was driving home tonight from a road trip and a taped show - E-Town was playing on the radio. It was the one with RetroGrass - John Hartford, Mike Seeger and David Grisman. They were wonderful! And John mentioned that he had not been traveling due to ill-health, and he did not sound too strong. I was in tears listening to it, knowing that he's in serious condition. I saw him perform twice, and I came away each time awestruck at the enormous talent and gentleness of the man. John, you'll always be gentle on MY mind.

Seamus


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: BDenz
Date: 13 May 01 - 04:40 PM

What kind of cancer does he have? It sounds like this battle has been going on for awhile.


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: harpgirl
Date: 13 May 01 - 09:18 AM

sweet Leej, you would ask for that song!


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 13 May 01 - 08:25 AM

I saw John perform this past July at the Grey Fox Festival (formerly Winterhawk). He was battling cancer then, and had a band with him. He would play his fiddle and sing a bit, and then fade to the back of the stage where he would sit down for a few minutes to catch his breath, then back to the front again for another bit of song.

In a conversation during the weekend with Mary Tyler Doub (producer of Grey Fox), she told me that it was the performing that energized him and gave him strength to keep on fighting the disease. Her eyes filled with tears when she talked about "that dear, dear man."


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 May 01 - 01:15 AM

LeeJ, that is beautiful.


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 12 May 01 - 11:32 PM

Bowler hat, vest and brogan shoes
Fiddling a melody and clogging out the beat
You were all by your lonesome
in the spotlight
I was the guy called out
"John, do the Golden Globe Award!"
And you grinned and said
"Man, I can't do that
That's a nasty song"
and then "Aw Hell, alright"
and you played what we wanted
and used that fiddle-bow to cock that bowler brim
to a jaunty angle
Feet propelling you across the stage
like some manic mechanism
whose operation you cheerfully observed


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Jeep man
Date: 12 May 01 - 09:24 PM

Refresh,refresh, REFRESH


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: BDenz
Date: 12 May 01 - 05:31 PM

Thanks Dharmabum, for the poem on living. If nothing else, it's a vivid reminder of the man.

He will be sorely missed.


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: wysiwyg
Date: 12 May 01 - 05:14 PM

yes


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Jeep man
Date: 12 May 01 - 04:23 PM

TO ORIGINATOR OF THIS THREAD; Please keep us up to date about John. I don't read the paper and would like to know any developments. Jeep


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Art Thieme
Date: 12 May 01 - 12:21 PM

One time on the Julia Belle Swain (out on the 7 mile wide pool #13 with flocks of white pelicans ) John did a set and changed those words to "I wish we had Art Thieme again"---'cause I'd just finished my set. But I prefer your sentiments at this terribly sad time.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: kendall
Date: 12 May 01 - 09:09 AM

Same for me Jeepman. Never met him, but, always liked his music.


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: walkinman
Date: 12 May 01 - 08:44 AM

Sorry for that..

"lookin' for the words, but they won't come right, just wish we had our time again, God, I wish we had our time"

Sadly,

wm


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Subject: Lyr Add: WISH WE HAD OUR TIME (John Hartford)
From: walkinman
Date: 12 May 01 - 08:29 AM

WISH WE HAD OUR TIME
by: John Hartford

Couldn't go to sleep
got up an' hit the light
tried to write it down
in the middle of the night
lookin' for the words
but they won't come right

Just wish we had our time again
wish we had our time again
wish we had our time again
wish we had our time

If not for love
I couldn't see
I looked at you
and you looked at me
memory of love
won't let me be

Oh me oh my
how the time does fly
makes no difference
an' we all know why
dear ol' friends
have to turn to rye

wish we had our time again
wish we had out time again
wish we had our time again
God, I wish we had out time

GOD BLESS JOHN HARTFORD

WM


Line breaks fixed --JoeClone


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Jeep man
Date: 11 May 01 - 10:47 PM

REFRESH


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Jeep man
Date: 11 May 01 - 10:11 PM

I don't know John personally. I have never seen him. I only know him by his music. It tells me everything about the man.

I have an ache somewhere inside that won't go away. It gets better when I remember Tom T Halls,"Clayton Delany"

"It could be the good Lord likes a little pickin too."

Nuff said. Jeep is sad


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Art Thieme
Date: 11 May 01 - 09:56 PM

I'm pretty much speechless and numb having said most of what I've felt about the man in several other places here at Mudcat. I just keep thinking of one of John's favorite quotes from his mentor, Captain Fred Way. Nothing is real but the river and all else is sham. Somehow, I figure John is out on that river and heading for the sea---as are we all.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: BRG
Date: 11 May 01 - 08:44 PM

"Way Up on the Hill where they do the Boogie" often bounces through my head at unexpected moments. Thanks to John for that and so many (and so much) more.

Bruce


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: IvanB
Date: 11 May 01 - 07:54 PM

harp, thanks for that beautiful tribute. I only had the chance to see John in person once, but I've had his music surrounding me for many years through tapes and CD's. When I listen to one of John's CD's I can still see him dancing and playing all over the stage. Wonderful performer and full of energy.

My heart goes out to John, his family and friends. May you find the riverboat of your dreams in your new life, John...


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 May 01 - 07:19 PM

My heart is on the ground about this, I actually saw him right here in lil' ole Torrington courtesy of an Arts Council Grant. I wish him an easy passage, and hope someone lets us know when it happens, so that we can all observe our own memorial moment.


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: BanjoRay
Date: 11 May 01 - 07:03 PM

Glen Godsey sent this to fiddle-L: I thought you guys would like to read it:-

Received this very sad note from Mark O'Conner today for all friends of John Hartford:

A note to ask my friends to send out a good thought and prayer for one heck of a guy. John Hartford is about to pass on and is not able to communicate now. I have found out that his family is not answering any phone calls, but he is at home now from the hospital.
John Hartford has been a friend of mine since he flew to Nashville from L.A. to be on my 2nd recording back in 1975 when I was just thirteen. He was a prince and has always been there for me as a friend and a colleague.
When I was trying to figure out how to play unaccompanied performances twelve years ago, it was John who gave the words of encouragement I needed to have, while many others simply doubted the possibility of my doing it. John was also my mother's favorite person in the music business. Thought he hung the moon. Just before losing my mother to cancer almost 20 years ago, one of her last wishes was for my sister and I to drive her across the country from Seattle to see John one last time in Tennessee. It is also cancer that will take John Hartford away from us very soon as well.
A collective prayer from my mailing list towards John Hartford would be something great. The wonderful modern day minstrel one man show, the author of one of the greatest hit songs of all time, Gentle On My Mind, and those early memories of him and Glen Campbell on "The Good Time Hour" in the late 60's prime time television will last with me for ever and I am sure will endure with many of you. He was a champion for the fiddle and collected as many original fiddle tune manuscripts and the various literature as anyone I know. He continued to practice furiously on the fiddle even until recently, setting out to get better and better. And he did! He would come to my fiddle camps in Tennessee and just hang out on the porch of the mess hall playing away until way past the sun going down. For all of that and more, I will think of you and love you forever John Hartford.
I also love your home there looking over that Cumberland River. The thoughts of you dreaming about the old steamboats coming past you from days gone by is a poignant one at this time.
I was on the nomination committee of the Kennedy Center Honors last year and did nominate John Hartford. I bet one day you will get that one too John. May God be with you.

Mark O'Connor


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 May 01 - 05:50 PM

Harp.....simply beautiful.................

And thanks to harpgirl and a few others, we just ran an excellent thread of John Hartford Songs. BE sure to read the post from Art.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: John Hartford - Update
From: Jeremiah McCaw
Date: 11 May 01 - 05:17 PM

There are few LPs that got more play at my place than John Hartford's first few. If my memory serves, I did see him live at the Riverboat in the "goodle days" (a Hartford phrase). Safe home, John.


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