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Subject: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Bedubya
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 10:35 AM

Let there be no doubt about it. This is a RANT.

We were at a bluegrass festival a couple of weeks ago where one of the featured bands was The U.S. Navy Bluegrass Band. (Don't snicker - these guys are incredibly hot musicians) As an "encore" they did Lee Greenwood's "I'm Proud to be an American". Well, I hate the song, so I stood up to leave. When I turned around, everybody in the audience was standing up also, but they weren't leaving.

Now, the only song for which I am going to stand while it is being played is a country's national anthem. The last time I checked, the national anthem of the U.S was still Francis Scott Key's "Star-Spangled Banner". Did they change it to Greenwood's piece of over-sentimental top 40 country drivel without telling me. Maybe it happened during the Gulf War when many folkies were busy resurrecting Vietnam-era protest songs in coffehouses while most of the country was watching the war on CNN. Or maybe it has only happened among that specific sub-culture that are sometimes referred to as "rednecks".

Sincerely,

Bruce the Former Commie Pinko Draft-Dodger


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Peter T.
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 11:01 AM

Well, as a Canadian I always have mixed feelings at baseball games standing up for the American anthem. The only saving grace is that it is about bombing the crap out of an American fort, which is always worth stretching one's legs for. No one in Canada knows the Canadian anthem any more because they keep changing the words. "Press Lords Save the Queen and other members of the Royal Family" might be better for Britain. The best anthem is La Marseillaise. One always feels like a French revolutionary for about two minutes, or that woman in Casablanca strumming her guitar (why didn't Paul Henreid go off with her?). Does the Lee Grenwood song have any words that require people to stand up?

yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Kim C
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 11:10 AM

don't feel bad, I hate that song too. Not because I'm not proud to be an American, because I am, but just because I simply don't like the song. Sentimental drivel - and I never felt like there was any sincerity to that song. So there. :-P


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 11:26 AM

The first time I saw this happen was at a military function in 1990. 1) They like the song, and 2) it's got "American" in it. I thought it was weird, my mom was there, and she though it was weird. Mostly harmless song, though, even though every time I hear it, I seem to add mental commentary on the lyrics. The sentiment is mainly "gee, I really love it here," and doesn't really slam anybody.

Read the lyrics and listen to an embedded recording here


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Pseudolus
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 12:12 PM

I don't stand when I hear it, and for a while it may have been overdone, but I admit it, I kinda like it!

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: kendall
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 12:23 PM

...wash her pretty face, dry her eyes and then, God bless America again.. SAPPY!


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 12:27 PM

Never heard it before, don't care if I ever do and I sure wouldn't feel compelled to stand for it, buut it does seem innocuous enough not to be much of a bother, unless of course the far right usurped it, smacks of them just a bit.:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 12:33 PM

I'd stand for this'n:

http://raycharles.com/ram/ra144m/Amer_m.ram


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: chip a
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 12:35 PM

Who cares about the sincerity of the song? What about the sincerity of all the people standing? Any time people want to stand to honor America, that's just fine with me. Last Friday night I stood for a Bluegrass band for crying out loud. And who are these "rednecks" you mentioned? Is it O.K. to say that? Just not picanninnies, huh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 12:43 PM

Sappy lyrics, overplayed, I hate the thing......... a lot of people tend to get filled with patriotic fervor over it............Its right there at the top of my "Songs to Ditch" list.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: sophocleese
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 12:45 PM

Well, I don't usually bother to stand for national anthems, although I do stand for the Hallelujah Chorus. If you don't like the song and don't want to stand up for don't bother to. Its possible to be a proud human being from whatever country and still not stand up for anthems.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Bedubya
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 02:26 PM

Chip A

Thanks for the input. Your comments are actually very similar to those of my own wife. She's much more open-minded when it comes to looking from left to right than I am. I tend to look to the left only, and will probably get hit by a truck someday because of it.

As to the use of the word "redneck", in the eyes of many people I am one, and I don't find the word offensive in the least.

Cheers,

Bruce


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 02:58 PM

Bedubya, has it occurred to you that YOU may have led the rising? (Someone's got to be first!) *G*

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: chip a
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 03:04 PM

Bedubya,

I bet your wife is a whole lot prettier than me. To tell the truth (do I have to?) I don't like the song much myself. But with so many Americans finding only our faults to talk about it's heartening to see people stand for a positive (though sappy) statement about our country. I was at a Loretta Lynn concert a few years ago. When she sang God Bless America Again, everyone stood and little flags appeared all over the hall. Clearly, lots of these folks had done this at her concerts before. I was touched then too. As for MY wife, she also will tell you that I'm touched.

Peace,

Chip


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 03:55 PM

I don't care for the song but to be honest, the only song I stand for is the national anthem or ours and someone elses if they are playing it at an event. I'm proud to be an American and I don't need some sentimental tripe of a song to remind me. Personally, I find the term redneck as offensive as pickaninnie. It, however seems to have been embraced by everybody as acceptable. Don't ask me why. If in fact they've changed the national anthem, they forgot to tell us. I hate when the sh*t happens. Kindest reghuards, NEil


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 04:38 PM

When folks are proud to be rednecks, either they don't understand the term, or we are all in for a world of trouble!

Best, Greg


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: pattyClink
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 05:28 PM

you haven't suffered until you've had to sit through a buncha majorettes sing this in a 103 degree park in Hattiesburg before the jazz acts started...

that said, it's easy to see why military families like it: "and I won't forget the men who died, who gave that right to me". After 'Nam, lotta people want to hear that over and over to make up for a time when they think they never heard it, and who can blame them.

that said, if they could just perform it without cloying it so much....did the servicemen at least do a 'tight' rendition?


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: GUEST,SeanM, ex-USN
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 05:39 PM

Dear gods I hate this song...

During my run through boot camp for the US Navy back in '91, you were railroaded into making a declaration of religion and attending services on Sundays, or being left in the barracks to the tender ministrations of a Company Commander who was grumpy at having to 'babysit' you... I unfortunately picked "non-denominational Christian" Had I gone Catholic, I could have had movies, and had I gone Judaism, I coulda had a lunch buffet - but no, with the version I picked, I wound up with decent to horrid 'inspirational' christian music and performances - and the horror of every weekend having to stand to attention while "Proud to be an American" was played over incredibly sappy visuals.

There's gotta be something in the Geneva about treating your own troops that way...

I can understand the implications of "standing to honor your country", but in my opinion, a vast majority of people in this case stand for the same reason people at baseball games do for 'Take me out to the Ballgame' - it's traditional, and everyone else is doing it so if you don't you look funny.

Peer pressure wins again.

M


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Bedubya
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 05:53 PM

pattyClink

Tighter than Rosanne Barr in Calista Flockhart's pantyhose!

The band itself was great. They even brought their own sound engineer which is highly unusual in 'grass circles. The rest of their set was mostly original material which was all very well done. I guess one reason I was sorta ticked by the inclusion of that song was that, after a whole set of not pandering to the tastes of the masses they did so in spades with their encore.

For the encore in their later set, they did a red-hot instrumental version of "Anchors Aweigh" that was truly a sock-knocker.

Bruce


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Subject: Lyr Add: ANCHORS THEY WEIGH A LOT (Jody Gibson)
From: CRANKY YANKEE
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 02:15 AM

Anchors they weigh a lot, and well they should.
Anchors are made of iron, seldom made of woo-oo-oo-ood.
Iron it sinks a lot. Wood's light and floats.
That's why the anchor's iron. Wood's for building, wood's for building boats.

(Original lyric by Jody Gibson)

Come to the Prospect Mountain Bluegrass Festival in Granville MA, Aug 17, 18, & 19. I'll sing all 4 verses of "The Defense of Fort McHenry" (Star Spangled Banner). It is one hell of a song when you hear the whole thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: CRANKY YANKEE
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 02:26 AM

Dear PeterT
Your attention is invited to the third verse of "The defense of Fort McHenry" (The Star Spangled Banner)

Now where is the foe who so vauntingly swore
Midst the havoc of war and the battle's confusion.
A home and a country they'd leave us, no more.
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling or slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave.
And the Star Spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free, and the home of the Brave.
.
If memory serves me right, you guys had two wars of Independence. One lasted a month and the other lasted a week. Neither succeeded. Right?

As a group, Canadians are one of my favorite Peoples.
Actually, some of my best friends are Canadians.
Hey, you started this. Eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: mousethief
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 02:51 AM

The only saving grace is that it is about bombing the crap out of an American fort, which is always worth stretching one's legs for.

Funny line, Peter T! Made me laugh out loud, anyway.

Americans are funny about their flag. It's just part of our national culture (yes, we do have one!). We don't bow to the king, so we stand for the flag. Works for me.

I will always stand for the SSB, in part out of respect for the military men and women who have (in part, anyway) made it possible for me to have such a cushy life in this relatively free country.

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 05:34 AM

SeanM, just curious, they made one make a delcaration of religion? What did they do with the agnostics and atheists?

Cranky Yankee, where in Granville? I used to live just a few doors down from the general store! My first home in New England when I left the Wyomng prairie the first time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: kendall
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 06:29 AM

When I was at the Military Tatoo in Edinburgh, everyone stood and sang "God save the queen" I also stood, and sang God Bless America. No one noticed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 08:22 AM

Kat, I think he said they left them in the barracks.
When I went through Air Force basic training, I declared "no religious preference" and went also to the non-denominational Christian services. Because they sang.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: LR Mole
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 08:44 AM

Hm...how about a bluegrass "Say It Loud (I'm Black and I'm Proud)"? "Ohio"? Anyway, wasn't the Lee Greenwood song used as a Chevy commercial? Maybe not.
--LRMole, dyspeptic and moodswinging this Good Friday 13th


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: pattyClink
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 10:12 AM

Cranky, I am ROTHFLMAO! The heck with 4 verses of Spangled Banner, i want to hear all verses of "Anchors They Weigh"! What a great lyric!


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Jim Krause
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 01:04 PM

Yegods! I just went to the website and read the words. Sheesh talk about saccharine, yikes! I'd feel like standing up and leaving, too. I keep biting the tip off the end of my tongue to keep from blathering on about lyrics like that.
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: GUEST,SeanM, cookieless wonder
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 02:06 PM

Kat;

As noted, if you didn't declare for one of the three 'major' religions they offered, you were left behind in the barracks.

During the 3-4 hours that you spent there, you could count on the up close and personal attention of your Company Commander, who as noted was NOT usually happy at being made to sit around and babysit you. 4 hours of intensive cleaning and "punitive" exercise sessions without break will make just about ANYONE reconsider agnosticism.

M


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Matt_R
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 02:23 PM

When I was in 1st grade school in California in early 1986 (one of the 2 years before I was homeschooled), they always used to play the song in class after the Pledge of Allegiance. We had the words on a big piece of cardboard so we could learn them. Lol...when we go to the "stand up" part, all the kids would jump up, grab their chairs, and hold them over their heads. But despite hearing it every morning for 6 months, I still like the song. Them again, did you expect any differently?


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 03:30 PM

The most pitiful thing about Lee Greenwood's "I'm Proud to be an American". is the line that says he would gladly join up and fight next to the soldiers. I could never understand whay the Army didn't take him up on that.

Anyone who writes and sings such a thing and doesn't follow through certainly doesn't deserve any recognition and especially money - My guess is that song made him rich.

Pitiful - A great example of some County "artists" using cheap sentiment.

Pax yall


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Matt_R
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 05:22 PM

That's quite a bizarre thing to say, BC. Did Johnny Cash REALLY kill a man in Reno just to watch him die? Did Janis Joplin REALLY buy a Mercedes-Benz? Did Tom Paxton REALLY go to the zoo the day after he wrote the song? Did Peggy Seeger really get her engineering degree from MIT? And most painfully, did Woody Guthrie really wrap himself in paper and put himself through the U.S. Mail service?

Easy answer: No.

And who says Lee wrote the song? He most probably DIDN'T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 05:25 PM

I remember when they used to have "God Save the Queen" at the end of every cinema show in England. The whole audience would leap to their feet, and surge towards the exits. It wasn't any kind of political statement either, just people trying to beat the rush to the buses and the chippie.

By the time the tune was over, if there was anyone still in the theatre, it would probably be the occasional anti-monarchist sitting down on principle.

Somehow Americans seem to take this kind of thing much more seriously.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 06:23 AM

Matt

You're right about a lot of writers and singers talking about doing something they never actually did, but to me there's a bit of a difference between the examples you mentioned and saying that he would would gladly fight a war.

Maybe I'm wrong. I just always got the feeling that Greenwood was being trite and shallow - and it doesn't matter to me whether he wrote the song or not. It's "his song" in the eyes of his fans. The saddest part is that it was a bunch of patriotic drivel about the Gulf War. Not even discussing if we should have become involved or not - there wasn't any "defending our nation" to it.

By the way, I'm no expert on Joplin, but wasn't she asking the Lord to buy her the M.B.? And isn't everone assuming she meant "Lord" in the sentence "Oh Lord, (insert name of Joplin's weathy friend whoever he/she might be) won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?"

Oh, and how about Arlo Guthrie "Coming in to Los Angeles?" I wonder if that is true.

pax yall


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Willie-O
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 07:58 AM

Lee Greenwood even did a rewrite of "God Bless the USA" for the Canadian country radio market: "God Bless You Canada". I'm not kidding. I saw him do it on TV once. YEEECCCCHHHH!!!!!!

It did not catch on, which makes me want to stand up and salute!

Kind of shows how shallow and generic and commercial the original is. Remember P & L Berryman's "Your State's Name Here"?

Loretta Lynn, though, is a different story. I can understand why her American fans get all choked up when she sings about America--cause she puts real heart and honesty into her music. (And she IS a coal miner's daughter.)

Willie-O


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 12:56 PM

I think it's safe to say that the Republicans, particularly the ones on the extreme right, have taken this song as their theme song. I doubt that you'll hear it at gatherings of Democrats or most ethnic minorities, and I'd be surprised to hear it at most trade union gatherings. There seems to be an implication that to be "American," you have to buy into their right-wing agenda. If you don't, then you must be some sort of traitor. I would think it might be dangerous not to stand when "I'm Proud To Be An American" is played. I guess I have to say it's kind of a stirring tune, but it has elements of jingoism and militarism that I find very distasteful. For those of you who are not familiar with the song, you can find it here (click).

I suppose we left-wingers can claim This Land Is Your Land as our parallel to "Proud." The right-wingers will join us on the first three verses, but they'll get downright uncomfortable if we sing it through to the end. Still, I don't think "This Land" implies that right-wingers are traitors. I don't know that I've ever heard liberals or moderates accuse their political opponents of being un-American, but that's something you hear regularly from the conservatives.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 01:44 PM

Words are inoffensive enough, but it seems like a pretty lame tune. And how do women manage when it comes to singing the line in the first verse about "my children and my wife"? Or are they supposed to wait until the chorus comes up?

Naah, stick with the bar-strangled spanner, even if it is more of a challenge to the vocal chords.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 02:12 PM

Kevin, in the ethic represented by the song, children and wives are expected to remain silent, obedient, subservient, and respectful. I don't think it's the lyrics of "Proud to be an American" that make me so uncomfortable - it's the context in which I've heard it performed. I don't think we'll have to worry about "Proud" becoming a national anthem. I don't mind "Star-Spangled Banner," although I hated having to stand for the National Anthem before every movie I watched when I was in the Army. I still like "America the Beautiful" - it fits my criteria for a national anthem perfectly.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 02:15 PM

Besides, if we drop the SSB, how are we supposed to know that its time for the ballgame to start?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: mousethief
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 02:27 PM

Spaw; duh. When the referee shouts, "All aboooooard!"

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: kendall
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 03:15 PM

I'm proud to be a democrat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 03:20 PM

"I hated having to stand for the National Anthem before every movie I watched when I was in the Army." Cunning bastards, sticking it at the start - that's where the slipped up with they British National Anthem, putting it at the end.

Context is all, in a way - in cold-blood, the words could be taken in various ways, and there's no reason they couldn't be sung alongside This Land is Your LKand or the Red Flag, or on a picket line -

And I won't forget the men who died
who gave that right to me,
And I gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today,
'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land
God Bless the U.S.A.

That could be about Joe Hill, or the Haymarket Seven. (But it's still a lame tune.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 03:27 PM

When it comes to Memorial Day this year, my Unitarian Church will be hearing me sing "Willie McBride."

pax yall


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Roughyed
Date: 15 Apr 01 - 04:13 AM

I seem to remember the Star Spangled Banner being described as "gibberish sprinkled with question marks". I think it was in a Kurt Vonnegut novel. No offense, I just think it's a lovely description. On the subject of the British (?) national anthem, I do object to having to believe in god and the monarchy before I can sing it - so I don't. Fortunately it is completely avoidable here unless you are in sport or similar. The scots just took over Flower of Scotland which at least has a good tune.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Apr 01 - 04:33 AM

That "gibberish" quote is from Vonnegut's Breakfast of Champions. I think it's a pretty good description. Click here for an interesting review of the book.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Gervase
Date: 15 Apr 01 - 09:40 AM

I wish they'd change the bloody, turgid British one - we atheist republican pinkoes on this side of the pond just can't sing a line of it!
That said, there's plenty of hymn-like alternatives with cracking tunes and words - I Vow to Thee My Country, Jerusalem...etc - which are vastly superior to the 18th Century political dirge we've got.
In the end, though, it has to be this!


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Apr 01 - 01:31 PM

Some of us don't want a British national anthem in any case. Jerusalem would be a good English one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Peter T.
Date: 15 Apr 01 - 04:29 PM

Thank you , CrankyYankee for the words to the 4th verse of SSB. I assume that by the 3rd verse, the British couldn't stand the highpitched shrieking, and, assuming that another bombardment was beginning, went home.

Canada never had any Wars of Independence. We sent the Americans home with their tails between their legs in 1775, and they only pestered us a few times more. We spent much of the next 100 years rescuing black slaves from the land of the free and the home of the brave.

yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Roughyed
Date: 15 Apr 01 - 06:53 PM

I agree with the English national anthem being changed to Jerusalem - wonderful tune and great poetry and means whatever you want it to. I understand that the tune to the Tibetan national anthem is the same as to God Save The Queen but as buddhists don't believe in God and the Dalai Lama doesn't scan I'm not sure how they hacked that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did They Change the National Anthem?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 15 Apr 01 - 09:35 PM

"We spent much of the next 100 years rescuing black slaves from the land of the free and the home of the brave."

Please note that a lot of the U.S. was resuing slaves as well.


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