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Christmas songs

GUEST,June 03 Dec 09 - 07:19 PM
topical tom 03 Dec 09 - 01:04 PM
GUEST 03 Dec 09 - 12:56 PM
bradfordian 03 Dec 09 - 11:01 AM
Jerry Rasmussen 30 Nov 09 - 08:09 AM
WalkaboutsVerse 30 Nov 09 - 07:53 AM
Marje 30 Nov 09 - 04:39 AM
s&r 29 Nov 09 - 06:06 AM
WalkaboutsVerse 29 Nov 09 - 05:49 AM
s&r 29 Nov 09 - 05:32 AM
WalkaboutsVerse 28 Nov 09 - 04:10 PM
bradfordian 28 Nov 09 - 03:40 PM
Marje 08 Nov 09 - 10:13 AM
GUEST,dave 08 Nov 09 - 07:25 AM
GUEST,jaze 07 Dec 02 - 01:13 PM
GUEST,Michael Kelly 07 Dec 02 - 03:10 AM
Genie 07 Dec 02 - 12:41 AM
Genie 06 Dec 02 - 05:15 PM
GUEST,Michael Kelly 06 Dec 02 - 12:53 PM
Mary in Kentucky 06 Dec 02 - 11:23 AM
Red and White Rabbit 06 Dec 02 - 11:10 AM
cetmst 06 Dec 02 - 09:22 AM
Schantieman 06 Dec 02 - 07:44 AM
Dave Bryant 06 Dec 02 - 07:38 AM
Dave Bryant 06 Dec 02 - 06:56 AM
Genie 05 Dec 02 - 01:55 PM
denise:^) 05 Dec 02 - 02:56 AM
Genie 05 Dec 02 - 12:00 AM
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GUEST,Genie 04 Dec 01 - 12:42 AM
jaze 03 Dec 00 - 12:47 PM
Alice 03 Dec 00 - 11:00 AM
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Nonie Rider 02 Dec 97 - 04:38 PM
Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca 01 Dec 97 - 08:16 PM
Jerry Friedman 01 Dec 97 - 05:59 PM
Tom Galt 01 Dec 97 - 02:13 PM
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Subject: Set List for Xmas performance at local DAR mtg.
From: GUEST,June
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 07:19 PM

I've been asked to sing for the local DAR group. I was asked to perform some less-common songs (and then to end with leading the group in some regular Christmas carols.) Here's my list. Any suggestions?

The Angel Gabriel (Sting)
Beautiful Star (Judds)
The Bells of Paradise (learned from the Ritchie family)
Brightest and Best
The Cherry Tree Carol (learned from Betty Smith)
The Coventry Carol
Down In Yon Forest
The Friendly Beasts (she requested this one)
Gloucestershire Wassail
The Holly Bears a Berry
The Holly and the Ivy
The Holly Tree Carol (she asked for something by Jean Ritchie)
Sussex Mummer's Carol


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: topical tom
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 01:04 PM

Again, my apologies! I lost my cookie. That post as Guest was mine.


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 12:56 PM

One of my favourites: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBUC_pRdrJA Mary's Boy Child Sorry, couldn't make a blue clicky!


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Subject: Lyr Add: LYING IN A MANGER (David Medd)
From: bradfordian
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 11:01 AM

LYING IN A MANGER by David Medd

Lying in a manger, ox and ass beside,
Man above the manger watching with his bride;
A little boy lay on the straw sleeping in the hay,

CHORUS
And angels sang a song for him born on Christmas day
angels sang a song for him, born on Christmas day

In the fall of winter, out beside a stream,
Lying in a wigwam in the silver beam,
The tribes around brought rabbit skins and coloured beads to play

In the summer sunlight, down below the hill
With the palms above him, the sea-wind sleeping still,
A little boy lay on the sand, the sea-birds watched him play

In the smoky city, in the foggy street,
Mist around the houses, water at your feet,
"A boy is born at number 4!" I heard the milkman say

A good 1 for kids, melodic.
brad


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Subject: Lyr Add: NO ROOM AT THE INN (from Mahalia Jackson)
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 08:09 AM

A lot of great, unfamiliar songs on here. My favorite is No Room At The Inn, recorded by Mahalia Jackson. It has a rocking beat and I liike doing it best on electric guitar because the notes sustain more than on acoustic. I did this on acoustic guitar a couple of weeks ago at the U'n'I coffee house in Springfield, Mass. and the audience really got into it.

Chorus:
    There was no room, no room at the inn
    There was no room, no room at the inn
    When the time had surely come
    For the Savior to be born
    There was no room, no room at the inn

According to the word, there was a virgin birth
And the father of Jesus was wanderin' around that night
He was looking for a placde for the Savior to be born
But there was no room, no room at the inn

I know that mother was worried and she began to moan
She prayed to be delivered of her only son
She was very sad I know, for she had no place to go
For there was no room, no room at the inn

The porter and the bellboy, the waitress and the cook
Will be witnesses up in heaven to all the things it took
When they were turned away, 'cause they had no place to stay
For there was no room, no room at the inn

This song bursts with energy and a solid beat, and I love how down to earth the observations are. Bethlehem bellboys? What a hoot!

Jerry


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 07:53 AM

Dear Marje: the first stanza refers to the first Christmas; the second, by way of comparison, to Christmas now; and the chorus refers to both - "There then and here now" - wherever your "here" may be, i.e.


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Marje
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 04:39 AM

I was trying to think what was so odd about those verses. Then I worked it out - it reads like a bad computer translation into English from some other language. A Babelfish carol.

Marje


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: s&r
Date: 29 Nov 09 - 06:06 AM

I only Googled it David.

It just seems such a shame to keep your thoughts fixed in time .

Stu


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 Nov 09 - 05:49 AM

Over the years, I may have posted the above piece 16 or so times, Stu - but certainly not 16, 400 times, thanks.


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: s&r
Date: 29 Nov 09 - 05:32 AM

For those who can't read the above there are a further 16 400 instances of this copy pasted spam on the WWW.

David you can't really count spam as publishing.

Stu


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 04:10 PM

Poem cum folk-carol 230 of 230: AS GOSPELLERS HAVE SAID/CHRISTMAS SUNG SIMPLY

(TUNE:

D A B A G E
E E D G F# G
D A B A G E
D A B A G E
E E D G F# G
D A B A G E
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D A B A G E
E D G F# G
D A B A G E
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As gospellers have said,
Beneath signalling skies,
On land dusty to tread,
A trough in a stable
Was the strawy first-bed
Of a divine baby -
The forgiving Godhead.

A season for new hope -
There then and here now;
The yuletide of goodwill -
There then and here now.

In respect of this chance,
Beneath bright or dark skies,
Faith's the star that we glance
Attending Christ's churches
And trying to enhance,
With singing and ritual,
Our God-loving stance.

A...

(You may hear it on myspace.)
(C) David Franks 2003


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Subject: Lyr Add: CHRISTMAS A COME (Caribbean)
From: bradfordian
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 03:40 PM

Christmas a come (for choir) Caribbean origin

SOLO)
Christmas a come, me wan' me lah-ma
Christmas a come, me wan' me lah-ma
Pretty, pretty girl me wan' me lah-ma
Pretty, pretty girl me wan' me lah-ma

SA)
Christmas a come, me wan' me lah-ma
Christmas a come, me wan' me lah-ma
Pretty, pretty girl me wan' me lah-ma
Pretty, pretty girl me wan' me lah-ma

SATB)
Not a ring to me finger, me wan' me lah-ma
Not a ring to me finger, me wan' me lah-ma
SA)Pretty, pretty girl me wan' me lah-ma (TB)Christmas a come, Christmas a come
SA)Pretty, pretty girl me wan' me lah-ma (TB)Christmas a come, Christmas a come

SATB)
Not a ring to me finger, me wan' me lah-ma
Not a ring to me finger, me wan' me lah-ma
SA)Pretty, pretty girl me wan' me lah-ma (TB)Christmas a come, Christmas a come
SA)Pretty, pretty girl me wan' me lah-ma (TB)Christmas a come, Christmas a come

ATB)
Not a too' to me mouth, me wan' me lah-ma
Not a too' to me mouth, me wan' me lah-ma
A)Pretty, pretty girl me wan' me lah-ma (TB)Christmas a come, Christmas a come
A)Pretty, pretty girl me wan' me lah-ma (TB)Christmas a come, Christmas a come

ATB)
Not a too' to me mouth, me wan' me lah-ma
Not a too' to me mouth, me wan' me lah-ma
A)Pretty, pretty girl me wan' me lah-ma (TB)Christmas a come, Christmas a come
A)Pretty, pretty girl me wan' me lah-ma (TB)Christmas a come, Christmas a come

Soprano Descant for v4&5:
Christmas a come, Christmas a come, Christmas a come, Christmas a come,

Lahma, being the best party clothes

An arrangement is available c/o Oxford University Press

brad


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Marje
Date: 08 Nov 09 - 10:13 AM

The Holly Bears A Berry.
Do I get a prize, or did you ask this so that we could help you win one?

Marje


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: GUEST,dave
Date: 08 Nov 09 - 07:25 AM

Which xmas song title words begin with the letters T H B A B


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: GUEST,jaze
Date: 07 Dec 02 - 01:13 PM

Beautiful lyrics. Would love to be able to hear it sung.


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Subject: Lyr Add: A COLD NIGHT (Michael Kelly)
From: GUEST,Michael Kelly
Date: 07 Dec 02 - 03:10 AM

Sorry about this but I need to repost my lyrics for "A Cold Night" as ththere are several errors.

A Cold Night
Michael Kelly (c) 2002

It's a cold night and the tiny snow flakes fall
And they're landing on the face of a baby boy
And his mother gently brushes them away
And wraps him tighter in the manger where he lays
And His father brings the ox and lambs in closer
to keep him warmer, for it's deep into December
And the shepherds, frightened by the angels singing
Come for shelter, with the Saviour

It's a cold night and the subway's running late
He lays sleeping, lying on the subway grate
And the warm air makes him dream of days gone by
Home and family and the joy of Christmas time
He's awakened by the sound of traffic passing
Children laughing, people rushing, Christmas shopping
In the distance a chiming church bell beckons
Come for shelter with the Saviour

Silent night, Holy night
All is calm, all is bright

It's a cold night and out beyond the clouds
Angel chiors sing a timeless ageless song
And the world turns and revolves around the sun
They fill the heavens singing glory to the One
Far below them, he stumbles from the street into the mission
To get a bite to eat and sit and listen
As the mission choir is singing,
Come for shelter with the saviour
Come for shelter

Alleluia


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Genie
Date: 07 Dec 02 - 12:41 AM

Rabbit, your Spider song makes me think of a Ukrainian story/legend called "Yalynka" (the name for the Christmas tree), which is about a similar gift a spider gave to a family when times were hard.

I have been working on turning that story into a song and will probably be able to post it here before Christmas. It's not quite the same story, but with the same kind of theme.

Genie


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Genie
Date: 06 Dec 02 - 05:15 PM

Michael, I like your song. Since it has a © date of 2002, I'm posting a link to it in this thread:

New Xmas/Solstice/Hanukkah/Kwansaa Songs


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Subject: Lyr Add: A COLD NIGHT (Michael Kelly)
From: GUEST,Michael Kelly
Date: 06 Dec 02 - 12:53 PM

Just discovered this site and I could spend all day here...Really enjoyed this particular thread. I am a solo gigging musician and love this time of year when I can throw in all those Chritmas songs for a few weeks. I also sing in my church choir and have written a few pieces that we sing including this contemporary song which we have sung at our Christmas concert for the past few years. If anyone would like a demo they can let me know.

A Cold Night
Michael Kelly (c) 2002

It's a cold night and the tiny snow flakes fall
And they're landing on the face of a baby boy
And his mother gently pushes then away
And wraps him tighter in the manger where he lays
And His father brings the ox and lambs in closer
to keep him warmer, for it's deep into December
And the shepherds, frightened by the angels singing
Come for shelter, with the Saviour

It's a cold night and the subway's running late
He lays sleeping lying on the subway grate
And the warm air makes hin dream of better times
Home and family and the joy of Christmas time
He's awakened by the sound of traffic passing
Children laughing, people rushing, Christmas shopping
In then ditance a chiming church bell beckons
Come for shelter with the Saviour

Silen night, Holy night
All is calm, all is bright

It's a cold night and out beyond the clouds
Angel chiors sing a timeless ageless song
And the world turns and revolves around the sun


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 06 Dec 02 - 11:23 AM

THANKS so much, cetmst! I'm always looking for *new Christmas songs/carols (*new means one that I haven't heard before or noticed).

Which brings up a point that recently hit home to me. Many times I need to hear a song in a different atmosphere/context in order to really "hear" it. I purchased The Oxford Book of Carols in the Mudcat auction from RolyH and quickly devoured the whole book, playing each song on the piano...but somehow the beauty of that carol escaped me at the time.

Also, Masato found a site with a gorgeous variant of Greensleeves that I had probably heard before, but it just didn't make an impression on me earlier.

And finally, my latest find (except for Rorate that cetmst mentioned) is "Whence Comes this Rush of Wings." I recently found it on the net and fell in love with it. Then when I went back to an old Christmas music book I used as a child...THERE IT WAS!...totally unappreciated by me for many years.

I sequenced "Whence Comes this Rush of Wings" and Christmasse Comes but Once a Year". So Joe and MMario, be patient, Rorate will be next!


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Subject: Lyr Add: SPIDER'S CAROL (S. Haithwaite)
From: Red and White Rabbit
Date: 06 Dec 02 - 11:10 AM

Here’s another for you about why we hang tinsel on trees etc

SPIDER’S CAROL
S. Haithwaite

CHORUS: Spin, spider, spin. Keep on spinning your web
Till the cold frost of morn turns to silver your thread.

Watched by a spider, Mary bore her new babe,
The child who was sent mankind for to save,
And the gift of the ox and the ass who were there
Was a manger to lie in and a stable so bare.

Shepherds watched over their flocks through the night.
An angel came to them and gave them a fright,
Told them to go find the new baby king,
And a gift of a lamb's what the shepherds did bring.

Three men came to honour this tiny new babe.
Gold, frankincense, myrrh were the gifts that they gave,
For they'd seen a bright star which to them meant one thing,
So they'd travelled for miles just to honour this king.

High up in the roof sat the spider so small.
What gift could she give? She had nothing at all.
A frosty night came. Spider had an idea
To keep the babe warm she would spin her web here.

Over the door span spider her web,
Carefully weaving each delicate thread
To keep out the cold and the frost from the stall
Was the gift of the spider to the baby so small.

During the night the frost touched every thread.
No longer of silk, silver hung there instead.
It was seen by the soldiers sent to kill newborn babes.
They believed the stall empty so went on their way.

Centuries later we remember the day
When the gift of a spider a young baby saved.
Tinsel we hang to remember the web
And the frost that turned silver each delicate thread.


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: cetmst
Date: 06 Dec 02 - 09:22 AM

Traditional tune from London Waites and text by George Ratcliffe Woodward for 'Past Three O'Clock' are in Carol Singer's Handbook, ed. Neil Jenkins, pub. Kevin Mayhew Ltd., 1993 and in The Oxford SAB Song Book, ed. Reginald Jacques, pub. Oxford University Press, 1951. The choir on the Chieftan's Bells of Dublin CD sings only the first two verses and the Deller Consort on Vanguard LP VRS499, The Holly and the Ivy sing the first three verses. Does anyone know a recording of all the verses ? The former book contains 100 carols including old ones previously mentioned in this thread, 'As Joseph Was a-Walking', 'In the Bleak Midwinter', God Rest You Merry, Gentlemen', 'Cherry Tree Carol'and some of my favorites, 'Adam Lay y-Bounden'(also on the Holly and the Ivy record), 'Mary's Boy Child' 'The Holly Bears a Berry'. The carol I look forward most to hear is 'Rorate Coeli Desuper' in the Oxford Book of Carols and recorded by Custer LaRue and the Baltimore Consort on CD Bright Day Star, Bonnie Rideout and Maggie Sansone on CD Scottish Christmas, the Revels on CD Celtic Feast of Song amd Jean Redpath on CD Still the Night


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Schantieman
Date: 06 Dec 02 - 07:44 AM

We've just started rehearsing for our Carol concert next week (we always do the same old stuff!) and the basses tend to sing 'highly flavoured gravy' in the appropriate place as well.

Steve


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Subject: Lyr Add: LONDON WAITS
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 06 Dec 02 - 07:38 AM

I thought that I might complete my own version of the lyrics for London Waites - so here they are - if anyone wants to suggest any changes or additions, please do.

London Waites

Past three o'clock and a cold frosty morning.
Past three o'clock – good morrow masters all.

Safe in your beds you gentry are sleeping,
While under the stars my watch I am keeping.
Past three o'clock…

In years long ago was the birth of our saviour.
Born of a maid and laid in a manger.
Past three o'clock…

Out in the fields were shepherds abiding
When the angel appeared to give them good tiding.
Past three o'clock…

Lead by a star, three wise men came seeking
To find a new king with gifts for his keeping.
Past three o'clock…

Clear are the stars the, moon it is beaming,
And just like small jewels the frost it is gleaming.
Past three o'clock…

And when morning breaks, and the day it is dawning,
Sing praise to the Lord to hail Christmas Morning.
Past three o'clock…


It might be quite effective to sing the last chorus as a round or canon.


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 06 Dec 02 - 06:56 AM

I suppose it was about time for someone to refresh this thread again.

I noticed some queries about "Past 3 o'clock", the tune for this is called "London Waites". The usual version of this has the verse:

Born is a baby, gentle as maybe,
Son of th'eternal father supernal.

But when I was at school we sang a different set of lyrics completely - much more about the Waite (watchman) patrolling the city. All I can remember is:

Safe in your beds, you gentry are sleeping,
While under the stars my watch I am keeping.

Does anyone have the rest of these lyrics ? - Masato ?


One of my favourite modern Christmas Songs is "Standing in the Rain" by Sydney Carter. It's all about the idea of Christ turning up in an upper-class district on a christmas day.


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Genie
Date: 05 Dec 02 - 01:55 PM

For some silly reason, when Perry Como recorded it, he changed the line from
"..Santa Claus, you know, of course..."
to
"Santa Claus, of course, you know...," thus messing up the internal rhyme.

Anyway, if you hear that version, it's not the way the song was published.

Genie

Ah, Denise, yet another mondegreen for our collection! LOL


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: denise:^)
Date: 05 Dec 02 - 02:56 AM

Well, with Genie's intro, I think you have all of "Christmas in Killarney." I can't remember any additional words, and I've checked with quite a few sources...

I think what makes it feel longer is that artists often stick in an instrumental break, and then repeat this song. It's certainly an option!

We had this on a Bing Crosby album when I was growing up, along with "Mele Kalikimaka." (And, as a child, I always wondered *why* 'Mele Kalikimaka' was "the wise way to say Merry Christmas to you!" I didn't think it sounded any wiser than regular ole' Merry Christmas...)
;^)
denise, who KNOWS now!


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Genie
Date: 05 Dec 02 - 12:00 AM

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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Genie
Date: 25 Nov 02 - 10:12 PM

Alice, I don't know any other verses to "Christmas In Killarney" (J. Redmond, J. Cavanaugh, and F. Weldon), but there is an intro:

"Christmas in Killarney
Is wonderful to see.
Listen to my story
And I'll take you back with me."

Genie


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: GUEST,Genie
Date: 04 Dec 01 - 12:42 AM

Joe (and Greta),
Re your discussion of "Bring A Torch, Jeanette Isabella," here is my 2-sous worth.
 

 The carol is not about the actual nativity, as I understand it, but about  a father asking his daughters (Jeannette and Isabelle) to come to the town square to see the real-life creche scene (pageant-like) which the villagers have staged.   I believe it was the custom to have real people rather than wooden cutouts or statues in the manger scenes when the song was written.
If this is the scenario, then a white baby with rosy cheeks is not a concept hard to swallow, for he (or she) was the baby of a European villager -- not the historical Jesus.

BTW, at the risk of spelling mistakes from writing French from memory, here are the other two verses en Francais:
 

C'est un tort quand l'enfant sommeil,
C'est un tort de crier si fort.
Tessez-vous, l'un et l'autre d'abord!
Au moindre bruît, Jesus s'eveille!
Chut!  Chut!  Chut il dort en merveille!
Chut!  Chut!   Chut, voyez comme il dort!

Doucement dans l'etable close,
Doucement,  venez un moment.
Approchez, que Jesus est charmant,
Comme il est blanc, comme il est rose!
Do!  Do!  Do, que l'enfant  repose!
Do!  Do!  Do!   Il rit en dormant!
 

Genie

BTW, Jaze, Joan Baez's version of The Cherry Tree Carol is much shorter than Judy Collins's (and I prefer the shorter version, which ends when the cherry trees bow down to Jesus in Mary's womb and she has "cherries by command.")


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: jaze
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 12:47 PM

Regarding Cherry Tree Carol:Judy Collins does an ethereal(?) version on her Christmas CD "Come Rejoice". It has different lyrics than any I've seen here. I think Joan Baez also recorded it on one of her first lp's although sadly I've not heard that version.


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Subject: Christmas In Killarney
From: Alice
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 11:00 AM

I have the music from a song book for Christmas in Killarney. The credits are, "Words and Music by John Redmond, James Cavanaugh, and Frank Weldon" (not Stan Rogers as mentioned earlier in this thread). This copy has only one verse, so if anyone knows of more verses, I'd be interested in seeing them, too.

Alice


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From:
Date: 04 Dec 99 - 07:24 PM

does any one know the song that goes my name is christmas carol i was born on christmas day i don't know who my dady is and mommy went away. and than it goies on that santa adopts her. i think it is song my a country singer


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Nonie Rider
Date: 02 Dec 97 - 04:38 PM

Beware of the Holy Fools--if you attempt to whip them into shape, the Trickster'll getcha!

(Oops--sorry, too much mythology reading...)


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca
Date: 01 Dec 97 - 08:16 PM

The Stan Rogers who wrote Christmas in Killarney must surely be another Stan Rogers than the one known to Canadians. I didn't know there were two, and if the Canadian one ever sang it I've never heard that version. I thought it was Tin Pan Alley, not Irish, not that it isn't a fun little song.

As to the Magi, I do know that they stuffed one Roman emperor but I can't remember which one. No doubt he had it coming. And yes, you are right. Farsi is the language of Persia, isn't it?

The parade went well. All bands showed up, and other than the fact that my marshal's suit ran red dye all over the white cotton sweater my Mom gave me last Christmas it was a good day. I did have a slight quarrel with the clowns, who are not to be trusted or reasoned with, but I have them on my list of things to be whipped into shape next year. It was nice to see all the happy children.


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Jerry Friedman
Date: 01 Dec 97 - 05:59 PM

For another anti-commercial Christmas parody, Tom Lehrer's "Christmas Time" is in the DT--search for "hunks of holly".

Tim is generally right about the Magi, but the modern Zoroastrians in Bombay are called Parsees. (Though of course it's the same word as "Farsi", and means Persian.) And they don't worship fire any more than Christians worship crosses, but they regard fire as a holy symbol of the good god Ahura-Mazda, a.k.a Ormuzd and probably other names. Zoroaster or Zarathustra was the ancient Persian prophet who founded the religion.


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Subject: Lyr Add: CHRISTMAS IN KILLARNEY^^
From: Tom Galt
Date: 01 Dec 97 - 02:13 PM

Just found the official lyrics to "Christmas in Killarney," by Stan Rogers, and sung by Bing Crosby,
but am disappointed at how few stanzas.

I hope some of you folks know other verses.
If not, I'll just have to make up some personalized ones.
Here's the official lyrics:

Christmas in Killarney by Stan Rogers

The holly green, the ivy green
The prettiest picture you've ever seen
Is Christmas in Kil-larney
With all of the folks at home.

It's nice, you know, to kiss your beau
While cuddling under the mistletoe
And Santa Claus you know, of course
Is one of the boys from home.

The door is always open
The neighbors pay a call
And Father John be-fore he's gone
Will bless the house and all.

How grand it feels to click your heels
And join in the fun of the jigs and reels
I'm handing you no blarney
The likes you've never known
Is Christmas in Kil-lar-ney
With all of the folks at home.
--------------------
I'm tom Galt in Western Washington
- putting together songs and stories for "An Irish Christmas."

HTML line breaks added. -JoeClone 23-Mar-01.


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: bcnu@eskimo.com
Date: 01 Dec 97 - 01:39 PM

I'm looking for the words to Christmas in Killarney. I'm collecting songs and stories for "An Irish Christmas." Tom Galt


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca
Date: 29 Nov 97 - 12:06 AM

Well, we here in the border area aren't like Canadians inland. It is always good to get the enthusiastic high school bands from Detroit. Our theme is "A Canadian Christmas, so I told them that Canadian Christmases around here always include Americans, just as American Thanksgivings always include Canadians going to the Lions game.

Some of these American high school bands have a hundred kids just playing their horns, let alone the banner wavers and baton twirlers. Think of me tomorrow at 4:00 PM EST, as I attempt to marshall the hordes. Me, two other guys, and about 1000 kids. Chaos! If you happen to be at the corner of Bruce and Giles in Windsor I'll be the stressed guy with the clipboard and Santa hat.

But I do not buy this nonsense about the bagpipes being liable to freeze and split because of the moisture caused by blowing into them. For one thing, I have since learned that in colder climes east of here the pipers march and play. (And bagpipes have been in this country before it was a country. And is Scotland a tropical nation, I ask you?) For another thing, I think the problem could be solved by the pipers keeping flasks of Scotch on hand, and taking a swig every so often as they march. The alcohol so blown in would keep the pipes from splitting with the cold. BTW, it is supposed to be just under 50 degrees F at parade time so I don't think anything would freeze although I admit they wouldn't know that months in advance.


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: rastrelnikov
Date: 27 Nov 97 - 08:46 PM

Fascinating thoughts.

The morbid third verse of We Three Kings is oft unprinted and heck, I'd lost track of what fun it might be to sing it :)

The three chessnuts boasting by an open foyer is fabulous. And I've promptly been told that some Americans might even pronounce it foy er, but it still works as foy eh?

Tim, a Canadian Parade without bagpipes. You're too close to the border. Parades aren't Canadian. Period. (Except maybe the Grey Cup Parade in former years...).

Miles Davis (I think) once recorded Blue Christmas ...when the greedy give a dime to the needy... Makes you think Miles wasn't exactly in the spirit? Now that, I wouldn't have minded hearing in the Blockbuster early in the month...


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Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: THE ANGEL GABRIEL, HIS SALUTATION^^
From: Bruce O.
Date: 26 Nov 97 - 06:30 PM

Here's a broadside carol that's been around since 1639. It's a lot more like the Biblical account than The Cherry Tree Carol.

The Angel Gabriell, his Salutation to the blessed Virgin Mary

To the tune of, The Blazing Torch.

When righteous Jospeh wedded was
to Israels Hebrew maid,
A glorious Angel came from Heaven,
who to the Virgin said:
Hail blessed Mary full of grace,
the Lord remains in thee;
Thou shalt conceive and breed a Son
thy Saviour to be.

That's wonderous strange quoth Mary then
I should conceive and breed,
Being never toucht by mortal man,
but pure in thought and deed.
Fear not, quothe Gabriel by and by,
it is no work of man:
But only God's, ordain'd at first
before the world began.

Which heavenly message she believes,
and did to Jury go,
Three months with her friends to stay,
Gods blessed will to show:
And then return'd with Joseph back,
her Husband meek and mild,
Who thought it strange his wife should be
untoucht, thus grown with child.

Wherefore (thought he) to shun that shame
he thought her to forsake:
But that Gods Angel in his sleep
Gods mind did undertake.
Fear not just Joseph this thy wife
is still a spotless Maid,
And no consent to sin (quoth he)
against her can be laid.

For she is purely Maid and Wife,
the mother of Gods own Heir,
The Babe of Heaven, and blessed Lamb,
of Israels stock so fair:
To save lost sheep to Satan sold,
whom Adam lost by fraud,
When first in Edens Paradise
the Lord had them bestow'd.

Thus Mary with her Husband kind,
together did remain,
Until the time of Iesus birth
as Scripture doth make plain.
Thus Mother, Wife, and Virgin pure,
our Saviour sweet conceiv'd,
All three in one to bring us joy,
of which we were brerev'd.

Sing praises then both old and young,
to him which wrought such things,
That thus without the help of man
sent us the King of Kings:
Which is of such a blessed power,
that with his word can quell
The World, the Flesh, and by his Death
could conquer death and hell.

There are traditional texts and tunes in Journal of the Folk Song Society, 1905. See also the Traditional Ballad Index on the internet. There is no absolute proof that the tune "The blazing torch (is soon burnt out)" is the same as "I'll never love the more", but there is some strong circumstantial evidence for the identification (The blazing torch may well have been the original title of the tune). Both songs appeared about 1624. In 18th century Scotland the tune was that called Chevy Chase. The tune is still a very nice one, which I have heard at Colonial Williamsburg.

X:1
T:I'll never love thee more
Q:60
L:1/4
M:6/4
K:G
D|D2DG2A|B2BD2D|B2BA2G|(E3E2)D|\
D2DG2A|B2BD2D|B2BA2G|(d3d2)d|\
B2BA2G|c2d.e2d|d2BA2G|(E3E2)D|\
D2DG2A|Bcde2d|dB2A2G|(G3G2)|]


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Sir
Date: 26 Nov 97 - 03:27 PM

In regards to the 3rd King (yes, we know they were not royalty) - His verse might very well be why the verses are written in a minor key. There are many happy songs written in minor including, some nice ones from eastern Europe, but people often think of minor as being sad. In regards to the 3rd King and the 2nd verse of "What Child is This" - If you take Easter away from Christmas you may as well have a commercialized holiday celebrating the Winter Solstice or Saturn. If you take the cross and resurrection from Christianity you might as well have a religion as opposed to a relationship. {Okay, flame me - I can take it.} Or if it's just sadness at Christmas time that you object to remember Mary was told a sword would pierce her soul, not to mention the slaughter of the innocents by King Herod.


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Alice
Date: 26 Nov 97 - 10:57 AM

Regarding the third king (Magus), I agree with Nonie. Birth has it's natural twin of death, and in our society we are used to being in denial about that. BTW, welcome, Greta. This is the most fun site on the internet for traditional music fans like us. Alice in Montana


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca
Date: 25 Nov 97 - 08:54 PM

Oops, spoke too soon. I see that the same company, Stanyan, has a CD out called "Louis Armstrong: Christmas Through The Years", 12 774.

They also have one, 12 780, "A Very Cherry Christmas". Hmm. Nothing but variations of the Cherry Tree Carol?

They have one, 12 777, "Bah! Humbug! Christmas Songs for Grinch and Grouch." Doesn't say what might be on it.

Speaking of Grinches, I was pleased to see that the songs from The Grinch Who Stole Christmas are now out on a CD.

Contrary to my usual practice of not listening to Christmas songs until at least the middle of December, I am sampling new CD's tonight. I am involved in booking bands for the local parade, and nothing can put you more out of the Christmas spirit than helping to organize a Christmas parade. I'm hoping listening to the music will give me some spirit. For the second year in a row the bagpipers have backed out on us, begging possible damage to their pipes. How can you have a Canadian parade without bagpipes? However the excellent Detroit bands are coming again, so all is well I suppose. I won't feel safe until I see the last one march out of the marshalling area . . .


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca
Date: 25 Nov 97 - 08:04 PM

I should mention I just bought another CD called Christmas In New Orleans, which amongst other artists features Louis Armstrong singing that song. I wonder if Satcho did enough Christmas songs to release an entire CD of them?


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca
Date: 25 Nov 97 - 07:50 PM

They weren't kings, BTW, but Magi, which I understand were priests in the pre-Muslim Persian religion that is still practiced by the Farsis in India. I think they worshipped fire and kept and eternal flame.


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Nonie Rider
Date: 25 Nov 97 - 01:52 PM

I've got a special fondness for that morbid third king; my family, having three children, gave each of us a verse to solo on, and since I was the troublemaker and Dark Shadows fan, I much preferred the gloom to sweetness&light.

As an adult, I'm probably even fonder of it. Christ's death, in all its physical gore, is an integral part of his story. As the final verse sums it up, "Glorious now behold him arise/King and God and Sacrifice." Even at the time of his birth, the Kings bring him three prophetic gifts.

Mind you, I'm not particularly Christian myself, but I admire the tight-knit symbols of a good story.

(Of course, one could always weave in the ?Second Shepherd's Play? and write a fourth verse about the deep prophetic meaning of giving him a tennis ball...)

(Sounds rather like Tom Holt's GRAILQUEST (I believe that's the book) where an ancient one-eyed god attended by wolves and ravens got invited to the birth, and not bothering to come up with a suitable gift, gave the holy child a pair of old socks. For this offense, he is doomed to give Yule gifts to children forever, with the hung stockings a cruel reminder of his curse. He is, of course, attended by his ancient warcaptain Radulf, who stalks the night skies like the Wild Hunt, with his nose burned red by his battle against the Fire Giants, and the remnants of tinsel glittering coldly on his horns.)


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca
Date: 07 Nov 97 - 08:53 AM

I never minded the sorrowful third king. It's an integral part of the story.

I must dig up that fragment of an old French carol once sung locally, in case any of you can identify a source for me. . . .


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Nov 97 - 07:45 AM

Thanks, Alison! Much appreciated; it is a beautiful carol.


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Subject: RE: Christmas songs
From: Wolfgang
Date: 07 Nov 97 - 03:53 AM

Moira, that's the song, despite the differing titles. If I had any doubts, the name Enoch Kent settled it. The group I heard it of was The Exiles, a scottish group including Enoch Kent. Thanks so much.

Wolfgang


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