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katlaughing 16 Mar 01 - 11:47 AM
mousethief 16 Mar 01 - 12:03 PM
Skeptic 16 Mar 01 - 12:11 PM
mousethief 16 Mar 01 - 01:18 PM
mousethief 16 Mar 01 - 01:29 PM
Little Hawk 16 Mar 01 - 03:20 PM
mousethief 16 Mar 01 - 03:28 PM
Little Hawk 16 Mar 01 - 03:37 PM
cait 16 Mar 01 - 04:04 PM
chip a 16 Mar 01 - 04:15 PM
katlaughing 16 Mar 01 - 04:21 PM
John Routledge 16 Mar 01 - 04:29 PM
GUEST,Cleigh O'Possum 16 Mar 01 - 04:35 PM
GUEST, The Yank 16 Mar 01 - 04:39 PM
katlaughing 16 Mar 01 - 04:48 PM
mousethief 16 Mar 01 - 05:33 PM
mousethief 16 Mar 01 - 05:36 PM
Matt_R 16 Mar 01 - 05:37 PM
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Subject: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 11:47 AM

Please continue the discussion here instead of bringing the ill-named Pol Pot threads back up. Thanks!


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: mousethief
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 12:03 PM

Splendid idea, Kat. Too bad you had to use his initials, even.

While we're talking about murderous dictators, let's not forget Joseph Stalin, who systematically murdered over 30 million people by forced starvation. This doesn't even include the people sent to the gulags. This was BEFORE Hitler's final solution.

For those interested, the classic book on the Ukranian famine is "The Harvest of Sorrow."

The 20th was indeed a doleful century. Glad it's over. Hope we can make the 21st better.

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: Skeptic
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 12:11 PM

Alex,

I share the hope. Operative words are "we" and "make" cause it doesn't just happen.

The 19th wasn't much better, come to that.

Look at Andrew Jackson who was committed to proving his belief that the only good indian is a dead indian. The numbers aren't as impressive but is wasn't becasue his spirit wasn't willing

Regards

John


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: mousethief
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 01:18 PM

Oh yes, there was plenty of genocide in the 19th century, too. It's just that the tools to really do the job effectively weren't fully in place yet, so you only got partial results.

One of the biggest die-offs was undoubtedly what happened to natives of the Americas from smallpox and other European diseases. Most of this was unintentional, but it still wiped out up to 90% of the population according to some estimates.

Did you know that the influenza epidemic of 1914 (or thereabouts) killed more people than the First World War?

And I agree, John Skeptic, we will have to all work at making the world a friendlier place for human beings. We're not off to a terribly good start yet, but we shall all have to work on bringing things around.

Kat -- PP in this case doesn't mean pianissimo, does it?

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: mousethief
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 01:29 PM

I see the common-sense-challenged are still posting to the PP2 thread. Sigh.


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 03:20 PM

It's hard to pick a "winner" in the greatest "despot/mass murder-of-all-time awards", but Joe Stalin had to be close to the top. Andrew Jackson was also an inspired choice, I'd have to say. Columbus did pretty well in his time, though not so well as some of those who followed him. Pol Pot probably managed to kill a higher percentage of his own citizenry than anyone else on record. How about Cortez and Pizzaro? Mass murderers par excellence. The Aztecs were pretty good at it too, by the way. That's why the other Mexican tribes helped the Spanish fight them (poor suckers! They had no idea who they were assisting or what would happen after the Spanish won...).

It goes on and on. It baffles me how anyone could think that I would find the activities of such genocidal despots unobjectionable...but that's what happens when people generalize a specific statement, I suppose...or take it out of context.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: mousethief
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 03:28 PM

Did somebody here say they found these things unobjectionable, LH, or are you just speaking generally?

Stalin definitely gets the award for number of people killed, and as you say Pol Pot gets the award for number and percentage of his own countrymen. But no genocide (indeed, no murder at all) is praiseworthy.

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 03:37 PM

Hello to "the Yank" -

Okay, I understand your point. I imagine we've all done some things from time to time which have hurt society. Every time we're lazy, irresponsible, or just plain unaware of what we're doing we hurt society and ourselves in some way.

I believe that most conservative voters are unaware of what they're doing. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I am the one who's unaware. It's a distinct possibility. Maybe neither one of us has a clue. That's quite possible too.

What would you have me do? I have talked to MAV in PM's, and I find him quite reasonable, likeable, and understandable...when he's not engaged in a mudslinging match with several political opponents, all pushing each other's buttons and going berserk. I don't mind continuing to talk to him in the least.

I don't mind continuing to associate with people who have treated me decently, even though they may vote differently than I do...such as my friend John in Orillia. We can disagree about social policy without hating each other.

So what do you want me to do?

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: cait
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 04:04 PM

and now...

BACK TO THE MUSIC!


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: chip a
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 04:15 PM

Yes, Back to the MUSIC!


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 04:21 PM

Pretty odd when people try to be sensitive to what hurts others and they wind up getting called the "gestapo" and accused of censorship.

Thanks to you who have chosen to post here. As Cait says, back to the music...anyone want to write a song about it?

The Pain of Seeing a Name

He massacred and plundered all the people of his own
Now some of those among us find pain in the reminder
A few of us decided to let the "pp" thread die young
While others give a sh*#less and would shun being kinder.

Oh well...someone else have a go?

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: John Routledge
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 04:29 PM

Perfectly said Little Hawk. Communication all round. GB


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: GUEST,Cleigh O'Possum
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 04:35 PM

Its even worse Miz kat when someone requests a song that is highly offensive like the one now asking about chopped up possum. I'm just a nice little guy and I try not to be mean or hurtful, even when Cletus pesters me. I am sorry that I cannot see the humor in chopped up possum and as a longtime Mudcay Icon, I would have hoped for more respect.......but such is the life of a little clay possum.

Cleigh O'Possum


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: GUEST, The Yank
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 04:39 PM

I believe that most conservative voters are unaware of what they're doing.......So what do you want me to do?

Well,LH, its not my place to tell you what to do. I mean that sincerely. I'm not trying to provoke you.

I can suggest some things you MIGHT do, if you wish. If conservative voters are unaware of the very real harm their policies produce, you could work to educate them so they become aware of it. Gently, kindly, whatever.
Then, when they DO see it, if they are still comfortable with it, or if they simply refuse to see it, at that point you might want to look for other friends.

What do you think?


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 04:48 PM

Dear Cleigh,

You just come over here, right here beside me and I will protect you, darlin'. We'll call PETA and the ASPCA and if those who asked are in the UK, we'll call the RSPCA. We will make placards and take to the streets demanding an end to Parcelling of Possum Parts and you can be At One with your brethren: mamas, sisters, and baby possums, daddies and cousins, aunties and uncles, even old gramma and grandpa possums, 'cause all possum parts are sacred and they are all part of the Cleigh O'Possum fambullee and we will march for freedom and...oh, sorry, sweetie, didn't mean to knock you off my lap...you okay? Here let me give you a little blow and see how you sou...OH! Great! You sound jest fine, darlin'....now where was I.....

katkrusader


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: mousethief
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 05:33 PM

Kat, never knock me off your lap, okay? You can give me a little blow, though.

I MEANT BLOW ME A KISS. BY ALL THE GODS YOU PEOPLE HAVE DIRTY MINDS!

I am pleased to see that no real mudcatters are posting in the PP2 thread, just the anonymous wanker.

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: mousethief
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 05:36 PM

I see the self-appointed Official Mudcat Masturbator has started a second thread, protesting the fact that nobody is posting in his first thread! Geez, some people could sure use a life. Maybe if we took up a collection.


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: Matt_R
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 05:37 PM

Yep, and all it shows that anonymous PPL in the PP2 thread can pee-pee too.


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: mousethief
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 05:44 PM

Um, yeah, sure, Matt. Isn't it time for your nap or something?


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: Matt_R
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 05:46 PM

I don't "do" naps. Not since I was 3.

IT'S COMING HOME IT'S COMING HOME! FOOTBALL'S COMING HOME!!

3 LIONS ON A SHIRT!!
30 YEARS OF HURT
NEVER STOP YOUR DREAMING!!


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: mousethief
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 05:53 PM

Okay, so i'm a year late. Sorry.


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: Matt_R
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 05:59 PM

Seriously folks, is it me, or do you see Alex as then next Spaw?


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: mousethief
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 06:08 PM

Don't encourage me; it will only make me post more.


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 06:22 PM

Hello, Yank -

Oh, well, I've tried to argue all those points with various conservative friends, and persuade them of my point of view. Generally speaking, they tried to do the same back to me. I'm always willing to listen, if they're willing to listen.

I find they are usually just as sure of their ground as I am of mine. Once you're convinced of anything you can usually find a plethora of facts that seem to support it.

I guess we will all just keep on trying in our own particular way.

I look forward to the day when Mike Harris's Conservative party is voted out in Ontario, which will very likely happen in the next election.

An article in the Toronto Star today says that the gap between rich and poor in Canada is larger now than it has ever been. No surprise to me, with so many homeless on the streets, many of them mental patients from clinics that have been closed down due to government cuts. The top half of the population now has 94% of the money in Canada.

And apparently it's even worse than that in the USA, according to the same article.

That's what Mike Harris calls the "common sense revolution". I call it the "I'm all right, Jack." syndrome. Mike Harris was born rich.

Now I've got a telemarketer on my back. AAAARGGGHH!

Talk to ya later...

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 06:26 PM

No, I don't think so Matt. But then, what do I know?

Little Hawk, I guess you just have to follow your heart about who you're going to have as your friends. Having met John myself, I can see how you would value him as a friend.

I feel pretty fortunate to be able to regard you as a friend as well.

Carol


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 06:36 PM

Jeez, my life would be dull if ALL my friends thought and believed what I do. That would be so limiting I can hardly imagine it. Not that I'd ever put 'em all in the same room though!

Rick


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: GUEST,mgarvey@pacifier.com
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 10:27 PM

thanks for putting this under a new name. I admit I am absolutely baffled that people find this amusing in any way. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: Noreen
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 10:29 PM

No, not amusing, mary, but trying to make a point with irony.


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: GUEST,mgarvey@pacifier.com
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 10:49 PM

well perhaps someone can find some irony in this website

http://www.cybercambodia.com/dachs/index.html


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 10:55 PM

Anyway, I wonder if we aren't confusing irony with sarcasm. I think there's a big difference.

Carol


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Subject: RE: BS: POst Here and let p.p. threads die
From: Margo
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 11:18 PM

The cow is happy. Just thought I'd pass that on. I hear it 500 times a day. Here is a site to illustrate. I'll welcome my daughter's new obsession when it comes along. Margo


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