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A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath

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Wesley S 16 Mar 01 - 09:28 AM
jeffp 16 Mar 01 - 09:31 AM
Sorcha 16 Mar 01 - 09:32 AM
wysiwyg 16 Mar 01 - 10:12 AM
Maryrrf 16 Mar 01 - 10:20 AM
DonMeixner 16 Mar 01 - 10:35 AM
Mrrzy 16 Mar 01 - 11:55 AM
GUEST,Bald Eagle 16 Mar 01 - 12:00 PM
Bert 16 Mar 01 - 12:03 PM
Matt_R 16 Mar 01 - 12:13 PM
Mrs.Duck 16 Mar 01 - 12:14 PM
Rick Fielding 16 Mar 01 - 12:14 PM
Amergin 16 Mar 01 - 12:32 PM
Midchuck 16 Mar 01 - 12:50 PM
SINSULL 16 Mar 01 - 01:02 PM
Jim Krause 16 Mar 01 - 01:28 PM
Jim Krause 16 Mar 01 - 01:35 PM
Jim Krause 16 Mar 01 - 01:37 PM
Seamus Kennedy 16 Mar 01 - 01:49 PM
pattyClink 16 Mar 01 - 01:49 PM
Steve Latimer 16 Mar 01 - 02:47 PM
Wesley S 16 Mar 01 - 03:01 PM
JedMarum 16 Mar 01 - 03:26 PM
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Subject: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Wesley S
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 09:28 AM

For myself I promise not to drink green beer on St. Patricks day. For that matter I promise not to sing "When Irish Eyes Are Smiling". Anybody with me ??


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: jeffp
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 09:31 AM

I'll sign on to that. I will, however, be singing a "Danny Boy" parody.

jeffp


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 09:32 AM

Yes, but I don't promise not to drink Guinness.......and if I go "out" I might HAVE to play Danny Boy. Requests, ya know.


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: wysiwyg
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 10:12 AM

You got it.

~S~


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Maryrrf
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 10:20 AM

I refuse to go to any Irish pubs on St. Patrick's day. I can't stand the green beer, Danny Boy, Unicorn, Tooralooralora,Galway Bay..... Anyway I'm kind of sorry St. Patrick drove the snakes/druids out of Ireland.


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: DonMeixner
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 10:35 AM

I promise to play what someone who has payed good money to be entertained by me requests. As long as I know the song and can do it justice. I won't open a book and read it just to comply with a wish and if I don't know the request I will do my best to perfrom their next favorite. After all I am working steady because they like what I do enough to come and hear the band as often as they do. Its not a matter of artistic integrity, its a matter of pleasing the public and doing good business in an art form I love.

Don


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 11:55 AM

I promise to try, once again, to learn to stand the taste of Guiness. If I should fail, may I make it up with the Powers that be! (LOL!)


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: GUEST,Bald Eagle
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 12:00 PM

Begorrah!


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Bert
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 12:03 PM

I probably won't be drinking green beer but I might not remember what I've been singing after drinking plenty of Guinness. I might even join Bald Eagle and sing Begorrah!


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Matt_R
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 12:13 PM

And I didn't bring any Irish music with me! All I have is Ash and JJ72!!


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 12:14 PM

What is green beer? I prefer Murphy's anyway and since I don't know the words to when Irish eyes are smiling I probably won't sing it. At least not unless I drink too much Jamiesons!!!!


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 12:14 PM

Whew! I'm torn between my "holier than thou" cynicism about all the "overdone" Paddy/Irish staples required on St. Patrick's day gigs, and Don's "back to reality" thoughts on entertaining the folks who come out to hear the music.

Good post Donald my friend, you made me think. I'll be doing my pickin' with my friend luthier/guitarist Glen Reid, who like me, first became exposed as teenagers to Irish music through the Clancy Brothers..Whack fol the die-de-oh.

Rick


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Amergin
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 12:32 PM

Well, Mrs. Duck, here in the states some bars like to take crappy beer and make it worse, by adding this green food coloring to it.....


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Midchuck
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 12:50 PM

The bad news: I WILL sing Danny Boy. Unless bigchuck and my wife hold me down and stifle me, which they might. I like to see the terror and fascination in the eyes of the audience as I reach for the high note and they can't believe I can make it.

The good news: Our Saturday night gig is at a pub run by two English guys, so I can sing "The House of Orange" on St. Paddy's day and not get beaten up and thrown out.

Peter.


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: SINSULL
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 01:02 PM

I love Guinness, Danny Boy, and Toor Loora Loora and I will inflict all on whoever crosses my path tomorrow. Irish whiskey, corned beef, and the Unicorn Song - Look out! Here I come!


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Jim Krause
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 01:28 PM

Well, being of slightly warped constitution, and of Dutch ancestry, I will not only refuse to drink green bear (bleah!) refuse to sing Danny Boy (don't know the words anyway) but I will refuse to wear anything green. Instead, I will wear something blue, and drink Dutch beer, or at least a locally brewed oatmeal stout, which IMHO is ten times the drink Guinness is.
Gaunz kloa onn eenfach!
Jim


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Jim Krause
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 01:35 PM

Correction: that should be refuse to drink green beer. (Pash mee nuther one, willya Bob?) Although I might play Londonderry Air while out camping this week end.
Jim


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Jim Krause
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 01:37 PM

Correction: that should be refuse to drink green beer. (Pash mee nuther one, willya Bob?) Although I might play Londonderry Air while out camping this week end along with all the Thomas Moore songs I can think of. (Ah, now that's Irish. Wonder why he doesn't get more exposure than he does? Must have a bad publicist or something.)
Jim


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 01:49 PM

Don Meixner, well said! Me too. It's all very well for well meaning amateurs to get on their high horses, but some of us do it for a living. Thanks, Don.

Seamus


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: pattyClink
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 01:49 PM

For all the too-cool-for-you types who have turned Danny Boy requests into a snobbish joke, here's the deal, and I speak for a few others:

When I hear Irish Eyes, I remember my dear sweet apple-cheeked mother's soprano as she took the time to teach me songs.

When I hear Danny Boy, I remember how much my Dad loved it, and how he was carried off to the eternal to its strains.

If I go somewhere on St. Patrick's, I expect to hear your chosen set only. But if you ask for requests, then try to honor them, and if you can't, it would be taking the higher ground if you could at least spare us the cheap 'humor' at the expense of traditions other people held dear. It's not as funny as you think.


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 02:47 PM

Well said pattyClink.


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Wesley S
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 03:01 PM

I don't think it's a question of snobbery - the best song in the world can be overdone until people are sick of it. I don't care for the song "When Irish Eyes Are Smiling". I don't think that is disrespectful to anyones memory, it's just a matter of my own personal taste. I'm not a professional musician and I won't be in any bars tomorrow so this won't be a problem for me. Any musician who can't be respectful when given a request for a song is crude indeed and customers should vote with their wallets and their feet. I would.


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: JedMarum
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 03:26 PM

well, I'd sing Danny Boy at the drop of a hat. It's a lovely song, and I like to think I do it justice. I very much like DonMeixner's comments above, and will do waht I'm asked, if I can do it well enough.

I don't know the Unicorn, but guinnesschik deoa a nice veriosn, and I get to play banjo, so I hope it's asked for .... I've long loved touraloura, since my Dad sang it sooo beautifully, so - ditto, if it's its asked for, I'd be happy to oblige.

The truth is, St Patty's day is normally fun. Fun crowds, We've played our first show already - today a radio broadcast in Dallas from a record shop. We had 100 or so in attendence, many of whom don't know much Irish stuff, they listened intently and enjoyed. No one asked for Danny Boy. We have two shows tomorrow, and I know there will be requests for "Four Green Fields" and others, and then we're on to the Emerald Mist for the evening - where I expect all hell to break loose! I promise you we'll sing anything anyone asks for, and we have an ineterst in playing. If it's really bad, we'll ask them up to sing it for us!

Last year, I had several up from the audience, at times, 'helping' me sing, and I tried my very best not to have a laugh at their expense ... we managed to keep the tops on all the young women who thought they might want to show more of their finer assets. Ah, the Guinness does bring out the best in us! 400 American Irishmen (or at least Irishmen for the day) all jammed into the place ... we had too much fun.

I'll play whatever they ask!


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: JedMarum
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 03:30 PM

I do understand the comments, though about the stereotypical St Paddy's day stuff ... green beer just seems silly. And it can get a little much being asked for certain songs several times ... but we're lucky enough to play for a fairly (music) educated audience (not that you'll be able to tell that tomorrow) - in that we play frequentlyin the Irish pubs, and these folks are pretty familiar with lots of Irish and Celtic songs ... so maybe we're spared the worst of the stereotyping!


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: JedMarum
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 03:32 PM

and Jim Krause, I used to love oatmeal stout, when I could drink. So have one for me tomorrow!


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Midchuck
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 03:49 PM

Jed sed: ....we managed to keep the tops on all the young women who thought they might want to show more of their finer assets.

WHY?!? Were they real fat, old, and ugly? Even more than me? Are you a boobaphobe? Is this a side effect of being Irish? I don't get it!

Peter.


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: JedMarum
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 03:52 PM

Midchuck - lol, I guess I have to laugh now, maybe I should have let them go! No they were quite nice to look at, but I suspect we'd have had a different sort of show if I'd let that go on, and I had to work the rest of the night.

Maybe it's my Yankee upbringing!


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 03:55 PM

I swear to wear my green shamrock that says "Mazel Tov".

I don't even remember where I got it, but I'll be wearing it tomorrow.

No green beer, a few Guinness, the finest brew in the world.


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: JedMarum
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 03:55 PM

mother's milk, Steve


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Wesley S
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 04:10 PM

Jed - That would be a scary looking breast that dispensed Guinness !


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: JedMarum
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 04:17 PM

LOL, Wes, ah but sweet none-the-less!


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 04:19 PM

It would be fun to prime though.


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: JedMarum
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 04:29 PM

;-)


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Jim Krause
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 04:29 PM

To Seamus and pattyClink:
Far be it from me to rain on your parade. As an ootlaunda I don't feel much kinship with the Irish culture. Folks ask me if I fiddle Irish dance tunes. The answer is yes. And no. I don't fiddle in that Sligo style so beloved nowadays. The Irish songs I do sing were mostly written and adapted by Thomas Moore. But I do them in a way that suits me, not like Andy M. Stewart, who I realize is a Scot.

My apologies if I ruffled a few feathers. With a name like Krause, and with Friesens, Remiers, Schimdts, Duerksens, Loewens, Sawatzkys, Harders, and Warkentins, and so forth in my family tree, I don't feel too enthusiastic about St. Pat's Day.
Gruss fonn Jim no Kaunsaslaund wua de Kafee es heet, onn de Sproak es Plautdietsch


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Hawker
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 04:30 PM

For me Danny Boy will NEVER be an issue, My husband's previous fiancee LOVED the song and always wanted him to learn it, she died suddely of a mitral valve prolapse at the age of 24. He never learned it, never will and it brings back sad memories whenever he hears it. I will however partake of the Paddys / Old Bushmills (Green label!) disguised as coffee whilst I reel off as many 'Irish' songs etc as I can before I get thrown out the pub! - Hubby will be with me on that!
Lucy


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Jande
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 04:42 PM

I would *never* ruin a good beer by putting green dye in it, but I will tie a green ribbon around my glass of Guinness, and Sing Danny Boy and Irish Eyes with the best of them, and sing out a toast to all mudcatters everywhere. "We're all Irish under the skin (and all French, and all german, and all ukrainian, and all chinese and all spanish, etc, etc, etc...)!

:`)

~ Jande (Seanna Rowe)


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Noreen
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 04:50 PM

I've heard of the American St.Patrick's Day tradition of green beer, and I know about Danny Boy and When Irish Eyes are Smiling and even Tooralooraloora (though I've never heard it sung).

But could someone tell me about the Unicorn song? There are two on the DT, neither of which seem particularly Irish. And what's Irish about corned beef? I thought it came from South America?

Please enlighten me.

(Our main tradition as Liverpool Irish was to wear an enormous bunch of shamrock pinned to the front of our school jumpers- Granny would post a box of fresh shamrock over to us every year for the day...)

Noreen


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 04:55 PM

The Unicorn Song (THere were green alligators...) was done by a Toronto group, The Irish Rovers. They were quite popular here in the seventies, even had their own show. They were Irish, but my Dublin raised Father always thought they were pretty phony. I don't remember too much about them. They are still playing though, I saw an advertisement in the paper for them recently.


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Noreen
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 05:01 PM

Thanks Steve, I see a possible link now.


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 05:02 PM

You're welcome Noreen.


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: GUEST,Mark
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 05:05 PM

I'm living in a community now where St. Paddy's Day isn't celebrated so I'm going to play some Clancy's and Tommy Makem, and The Fables while drinking some Jameson's with a few friends. I will definitely miss going to O'Reilly's Pub in St. John's, Nfld. and taking part in the festivities! Cheers!


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Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
From: Jim Krause
Date: 16 Mar 01 - 05:05 PM

I remember the Irish Rovers had a couple of hits in the US in the mid '60s such as:
  • Tie Me Kangaroo Down, and
  • The Unicorn Song
    I always thought they were a very funny novelty group. Oh, and corned beef? I thought that was Jewish. Isn't that what they put in Reuben sandwiches?
    Jim


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    Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
    From: Bert
    Date: 16 Mar 01 - 05:46 PM

    Corned beef. It's the same stuff that Londoners' claim as their own in the song "Boiled Beef and Carrots"

    But whoever has rightful claim it is absolutely delicious. Tree has had a batch (3 whole briskets) curing for some weeks now, and all the neighbors are descending on us for the feast.

    Bert.


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    Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
    From: Jim Krause
    Date: 16 Mar 01 - 05:49 PM

    Bert, where do you live? Can I come? I love corned beef. With kraut, with cabbage, with or without rye bread. Great stuff.
    Jim


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    Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
    From: GUEST,Janette
    Date: 17 Mar 01 - 04:02 AM

    I think all who don't like good Irish folk should stay out of the pubs on Paddy's night and let those of us who enjoy it have a really good night. I go for the joy of playing the music and having a beer or three with some faces old and new! We will be playing fiddlers green, no matter how many times it's been played before. Long live tradition.


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    Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
    From: Amergin
    Date: 17 Mar 01 - 04:06 AM

    My oath is to not remember tomorrow night and to nurse myself sunday at work.....


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    Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
    From: paddymac
    Date: 17 Mar 01 - 06:42 AM

    'Tis a day of irony, indeed. Although the day is ostensibly a birthday celebration, it actually commemorates the date (at least according to legend) that Ol' Paddy died (in 493AD) along the shores of Strangford Lough. He's also one of the few folks from the "big island" that Irishmen seem to hold in high regard (along with Art Guiness and Jack Charlton). Moreover, many folks would not consider his impact on Ireland to be an unmitigated good. I imagine that the brewers and distillers of the world probably hold him dear, maube even think of him as a patron saint. It's for certain that he knows how to cause many a good party. And he' a very considerate fellow, having his party two days ahead of st joe. "Party for Paddy" today, recuperate tomorrow, and then engage in a bit of "Gluttony for Joe" at your favorite Italian restaurant on the 19th. It would be a big help to me if 'catter's who celebrate similar "days" from other cultural traditions would share their klnowledge with the rest of us. That way we could amass a "book of party days", for the betterment of mankind, of course.


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    Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
    From: Lanfranc
    Date: 17 Mar 01 - 07:58 AM

    If asked, being an old pedant, I will probably sing "Danny Boy", but substitute "Eily Dear" as I always use the male's lyrics wherever possible. Sometimes causes slight confusion in the audience, but 98percent of the words are the same,and it makes more sense, if anyone thinks about or listens to the lyrics.

    I will also avoid any of the plastic pseudo-Irish pubs that have proliferated in recent years. Anyone who has experienced the real thing would do the same.

    I will consume any Guinness, Jamesons, Paddy, Old Bushmills or Tullamore Dew that may be placed in front of me.

    But no rebel songs, however much they pay me, if asked, I will sing instead:

    "Against all Satan's spells and wiles, Against false words of heresy, Against the knowledge that defiles, Against the heart's idolatry, Against the wizard's evil craft, Against the deathwound and the burning, the choking wave, the poisoned shaft, Protect me, Christ, till thine returning. Against the demon snares of sin, The vice that gives temptation force, The natural lusts that war within, The hostile men that mar my course, Or few or many, far or nigh, In every place and in all hours, Against their fierce hostility, I bind to me these holy powers."

    The author? St Patrick, of course!


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    Subject: RE: A St. Patrick's Day Mudcat Oath
    From: Mrs.Duck
    Date: 17 Mar 01 - 08:07 AM

    Just to stop the confusion-boiled beef and corned beef are not the same. Corned beef comes in tins even if you buy it at the deli counter. Boiled beef and carrots is another name for stew. Oh and Wesley believe me a few glasses of guiness produces mothers milk that it thick creamy and has a head on top. Mine all loved it!


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    Subject: X-Posted Rant!
    From: Clinton Hammond
    Date: 17 Mar 01 - 08:46 AM

    Ha-gack...

    Plastic paddy, green beer, shamrock and leprechaun puke!?! What has this to do with St. PATRICK???

    I'm too busy today playing music for drunk stupid people who don't know or care the half of it... The $$ is great, but it takes me until May before I can look at myself in the mirror, 38 hours of playing Wild Rover, Black Velvet Band Mush a ring rumma cram it up yer hole with walnuts and pretending to like it... Green plastic hats on idiots who wouldn't know a saint if one touched their head and raised their IQ above their shoe size...

    I have no problem at all with a drunk fest, but don't try to dress it up as a 'cultural' event...

    And when I'm hauling gear in or out of the pub, stay the feck out of my way thanks! I have too much crap to do today to put up with your moist, stanky-ass green-dye#25 breath wanting to hear Drunken Sailor ONE MORE TIME!!! Sing it yer fecking self!!!

    And to top it all off, we're getting 8 to10 toeven possibly 12 cm of snow today!!! You can blow St Patrick's Day out yer arse!


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