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Folk Form # 1 12 Feb 05 - 04:22 PM
chris nightbird childs 12 Feb 05 - 12:40 PM
Wilfried Schaum 12 Feb 05 - 09:24 AM
Bert 12 Feb 05 - 02:09 AM
Kaleea 11 Feb 05 - 11:49 PM
Azizi 10 Feb 05 - 11:49 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 10 Feb 05 - 11:39 PM
JohnInKansas 10 Feb 05 - 10:24 PM
PoppaGator 10 Feb 05 - 04:23 PM
PoppaGator 10 Feb 05 - 02:34 PM
kendall 10 Feb 05 - 08:44 AM
Sandra in Sydney 10 Feb 05 - 08:29 AM
jacqui.c 09 Feb 05 - 08:16 PM
Azizi 09 Feb 05 - 06:39 PM
dianavan 11 Jun 04 - 08:00 PM
GUEST 11 Jun 04 - 07:49 PM
muppett 11 Jun 04 - 11:24 AM
Billy Weeks 11 Jun 04 - 10:21 AM
GUEST 11 Jun 04 - 10:12 AM
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rhoda horse 11 Jun 04 - 10:08 AM
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Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 11 Jun 04 - 10:06 AM
Billy Weeks 11 Jun 04 - 10:03 AM
muppett 11 Jun 04 - 10:02 AM
rhoda horse 11 Jun 04 - 09:50 AM
GUEST 11 Jun 04 - 09:47 AM
Billy Weeks 11 Jun 04 - 09:47 AM
Billy Weeks 11 Jun 04 - 09:42 AM
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GUEST,Bagpuss 11 Jun 04 - 09:31 AM
muppett 11 Jun 04 - 09:31 AM
A Wandering Minstrel 11 Jun 04 - 08:52 AM
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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Folk Form # 1
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 04:22 PM

Mother 100% English
Father 100% Scots, but with a name like Williams, there must be some Welsh in there.
I believe people's cultural identity to be of absolutly no importance whatsoever and it is disheartening to see those on the Left putting it in to the centre of politics.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: chris nightbird childs
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 12:40 PM

Well, if you ask my wife, she's Heinz 57 as well, but if you look at pictures of her you see that she's overtly American Indian. Mainly Cherokee & Apache.
I'm not so clear-cut. I'm also American Indian, with light skin, and bits of Scot, Italian, and Irish.
That's right, a pale-faced Indian. Go figure... My family name is LaCroix.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 09:24 AM

Hessen (Germany) over the centuries. 1 Prussian great-grandfather from the 19th century, 1 eloped Spanish monk seeking refuge in Frankfurt/Main in the 16th century. Wife from Baden (Southern Germany, both sides of the Rhine), prettier than the local aborigines.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Bert
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 02:09 AM

Mother from East End of London
Dad from East End of London
Granddad from East End of London
Great granddad from East End of London
Great grandma from County Cork Ireland.

BUT - when the abolished slavery in England - after three generations ALL the black influence had disappeared - absorbed into the population.

So If any part of your heritage is English you almost certainly have black blood in your veins. This probably accounts for why I don't sunburn easily, I just tan nicely. So thanks ancestors, whoever you are.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Kaleea
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 11:49 PM

Do we have any statistics yet? Will we get funding from the government with the correct (whatever that is!) heritage? Perhaps if we secede, declare war, lose, then we can get foreign aid!


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Azizi
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 11:49 PM

Well Gargoyle,

one thing about African Americans, we're known to claim anybody, irregardless of how much 'blood' they got or how faaaaar back it got there .

Good thing, don't you think??

Ms. Azizi


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 11:39 PM

Afro-American,
Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 10:24 PM

Although my mother claimed to have identified English, Irish, Scots, Dutch, and German in my ancestry, she failed to identify which specific known ancesters were derived from those various "ethnicities." And that's just her side of the family. I suspect that her description was more "family tradition" than actual "knowing." About all that I have been able to confirm from genealogical resources is that one line on my father's side was in the US in 1610, and probably came from England. This line traces back about 3 generations in England, but I'm not sure I believe it all, although the documentation is pretty good.

Somewhat later, in a popularly known line, I can claim that my namesake great great ... great grandfather is the one on the back of the US $10,000 bill. No proof, but I've got a picture of him. (a reproduction, of course.)

Most of my ancestors get lost within about 4 generations back, largely due to inability to spell their own names consistently in the records. The prevailing ethnicities implied by records available are "horse thief," "bootlegger," and "drifter." Ascribing any of these ethnic backgrounds to a particular ancester is largely a matter of interpretation.

I am able to trace probable links to some persons on both sides of the "War between the States," but unable to be very certain about most of these. Suggestive evidence places one ancester among Quantrill's Raiders at Lawrence Kanses; but other equally plausible evidence places the same ancestor in Cuba at the time. Most of the family was in Kansas by about the time of the "unCivil War," with prior residences or antecedents in the Illinois/Ohio/Indiana area; but I'm unable to trace much beyond "they came from that general area."

My S.O., on the other hand, is from a family of relatively recent immigrants, and has found documentation in Ellis Island records showing that the majority of her most recent ancestors migrated from Germanic areas and settled within a fairly well-defined area in Texas.(Apparently they weren't too bright.) She comes from a long line of priests, nuns, and vintners - not much different from my line of horse thieves, bootleggers, and drifters, although it leads to the question "how did they have so many children?" It can be documented that it's largely the vintner's fault.

My children have an additional problem in tracing their lineage, since my ex-father inlaw apparently believed that their mother's family had some deep and very dark secrets that needed to be hidden, and burned all of the family records that his own mother had kept. Having seen what he destroyed, surreptitiously once, most of what he thought might be "incriminating" was harmless stuff like hymnals, psalteries, etc.,' but there were a few newspaper clippings and personal notes that would have been invaluable in tracing the lineage, and are now not replaceable. About all that's left is my recollection that the hymnals were in German (a very vague clue) and that immigration of some ancestors, according to newpaper clippings, was after about 1830. One of the clippings indicated that an ancestor who immigrated at about that time may have brought "her" fiddle, which is also unauthenticated as to value or origin. (Not really worth that much, but it would be interesting to know.)

Family tradition indicates that my two children, from their mother's side, probably can claim 1/16 American Indian forebears, although linkage to any specific tribe (Indian nation) was probaly destroyed in those records. Other means of tracing this branch of their ancestry may or may not be available, but thus far noone has attempted to research it.

About the only lineage I can cite with certainty is "dirt-farmer" by lineage, and "American patriot" by choice, both currently rather in disrepute.

John


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: PoppaGator
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 04:23 PM

Oh, yeah, by the way: my ethnic/genetic background has almost nothing to do with my tastes in music.

None of my few living Irish relatives played or sang; I didn't pick up any Geman/Alsatian folk music from my surviving grandma, either.

I spent several formative years (ages 4-9, more or less) living next door to an African-American church that provided losts of wonderful live vocal music to the entire neighborhood, all day every Sunday plus most Wednesday evenings. The congregation could really sing, and the pastor often brought in touring gospel groups. I was able to hear, for example, the young Sam Cooke when he was lead singer with the Soul Stirrers, with a churchful of voices joining in on the choruses. Now, THAT really influenced me!

As far as Irish music is concerned, I like it well enough but I'm neither an expert nor an afficianado. I probably know and love more "songs" (ballads, etc.) than "tunes." Indeed, I don't know a jig from a reel. To me, instrumental Irish music functions primarily as background music for a wonderful convivial lifestyle. (Sorry!) Don't get me wrong: I certailly would love to be in Ireland right now, in a pub, listening to some of that music while laughing, talking, and taking a wee drop. But in my own house, when I want to play some recorded (or broadcast) music for myself, it's more likely to be blues/jazz/rock/funk ~ "American roots music" ~ than Irish Ceili.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: PoppaGator
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 02:34 PM

Three of my four grandparents were immigrants to the US, and the fourth was born shortly after his parents got off the boat, so my ethnic origins are simple and easily determined: 3/4 Irish, 1/4 German-Alsatian.

Folks whose antecedents have been in America for longer typically have much more complicated family trees with much more mixing of known and unknown nationalities. I imagine it's much the same in Australia.

My paternal grandparents grew up in the west of Ireland, County Mayo, and didn't leave until after they were married. I never knew either one of them; my dad's mother died when he was young (8 years old), and his father passed away the year I was born.

My maternal grandfather was an American-born Irish Catholic whose parents were recent immigrants. I remember him fairly well from my early childhood; he died when I was about 5 or 6. He was very adamant about assimilating, being an American; he never wanted to hear or speak about Ireland. We knew a number of relatives from his mother's side of his family, but never had any contact with any part of his father's family. I have since learned that his surname, McCartney, is considered by some to be a "Protestant name," which, if true, might explain his disconnection from one side of his family and his reluctance to involve himself with Ireland and her "Troubles." That is, in other words, that I suspect that his parents were a "mixed marriage," with his mother a Catholic and his father from a Protestant family ~ perhaps a convert to Catholicism, but perhaps not (which might explain his "invisibility" and some of his son's attitudes).

McCartney, by the way, used to be an unusual name in our corner of the US, and members of our family constantly had to correct people: "No, it's not McCarthy; it's McCart-NEEE!" That all changed, of course, with the advent of the Beatles.

(Squealing young girls used to call Grandma after looking her up in the phone book, asking "Mrs. McCartney, is Paul there?" Thinking they were talking about my younger brother Paul, she'd answer, "Not right now, but he'll be here for lunch tomorrow." Because her house was a block from our school, all us siblings and cousins came by for lunch every day. She never understood the callers' reaction!)

So we've finally gotten to my maternal grandma, the one grandparent I knew and loved for the whole time I was growing up. She and her parents came to America from Alsace-Lorraine, a province in northeastern France that has historically changed hands back and forth between France and Germany with each war. (Both Grandma and her mother, my "Granny," lived into their 90s, by the way; I'm hoping to inherit their longevity.) My Alsatian family was/is definitely German, not French, by language and ethnicity. Perhaps we'd all have referred to the family as "German" rather than "Alsatian" had it not been for two world wars ~ but there were those wars, and Germany was the enemy both times, so our German ethnicity may have been subtly de-emphasized.

In any event, while I identify myself as Irish-American and have a serious interest in and love of Ireland, the one grandparent that I knew best while growing up was the only one of the four who was not Irish.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: kendall
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 08:44 AM

Viking with brief stopovers in Normandy and England.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 08:29 AM

6th generation Australian with a Borderer (Scottish) surname, with other Scottish, Irish, English & German ancestors.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: jacqui.c
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 08:16 PM

English - one set of grandparents from Bolton, moved to London, one grandfather from March in Cambridgeshire. One grandmother from East London. Parents born in East London - I was born within the sound of Bow Bells so could consider myself a Cockney.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Azizi
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 06:39 PM

I am re-opening this thread not to continue an argument, but to post my ancestry-as much as I know-like any other Mudcatter.

My mother's father & mother were born and raised in the Caribbean Island of Barbados. My maternal grandparents came to the United States [Atlantic City, New Jersey] prior to my mother and her two younger siblings' birth in the early 1920s. However, 5 other children were born in Barbados and came to the United States as small children.
My maternal grandparents, my mother, and her siblings are all brown skinned in complexion.

Enslaved Africans were bought to Barbados from the West African nations of Sierra Leone, Guinea, Ghana, The Ivory Coast, Nigeria, and Cameroons. I have always been partial to the cultures of the Yoruba {Nigeria} and the Asante {Ashanti} people of Ghana. However an African man said that I looked like a Hausa {Nigeria} person.
So who knows????

I was told that my maternal grandmother's mother was White. However, I don't know "which kind of White". I don't know anything more about my maternal grandmother's ethnic background, besides the fact that she was of African descent. I have been told that my maternal grandfather had some Indian ancestry mixed with African descent..In Barados that would probably be Arawak Indian I believe.

My father was legally adopted by a couple in Michigan. We know that his brth name was "Walker". Ironically, my sister and my first cousin married cousins from Philadelphia whose last name is Walker.

My father was considerably more light skinned than my maternal grandparents, my mother and her siblings. I would assume therefore that he probably had some White ancestry, and possibly some Native American ancestry. But I don't really know.

My twin sister looked very much like my mother, but I took after my father more, although I am not as light complexioned as he was.

Because they lived in the same city as me when I was growing up, I am much closer to the maternal than the paternal side of my family. Because my maternal grandfather was very active in the church, as head deacon, and other county offices, African American church music was very much a part of my life. Besides children's rhymes and songs learned in school music classes, R&B music was basically the only other form of music that I was familiar with as a child and as a teen.

My former marriage to a jazz musician helped broaden my musical horizons. Eventually I also became acquainted with Caribbean calypso, reggae, soca, and ska, different forms of traditional & contmporary West & Central African music, Zydeco music, and New Orleans Wild Indian chants. And yes, I also became acquainted with Blues.

And thanks to folks here, I am learning more about that genre of music that originated with African Americans.

Azizi


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: dianavan
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 08:00 PM

Oh, oh, a WASP! Aren't they responsible for most of the oppression in the world?


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 07:49 PM

I'm a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant! I can't help that! In this multi-ethnic world I'm almost proud to be one.

Peter


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: muppett
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 11:24 AM

Nay don't be making apologies, some folk will read what they want to in owt that's said here.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 10:21 AM

My God ! what have I started? The question was an innocent one based on observation - and I still find it surprising that - oh, no! I withdraw that last bit. Sorry if I've touched some raw nerves. Just one last thing. Promise. I wasn't attacking anyone or any group and I'm not asking anyone to apologise for anything. And havving re-read my postings I'm truly surprised that anyone has read them that way.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 10:12 AM

Are we meant to apologise for the colour of our skin?


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 10:10 AM

What exactly is the problem you have about the ethnic balance here? Is it that you think black people should be more interested in posting here? That you think folk here are doing something to exclude them? What exactly is the point?


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: rhoda horse
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 10:08 AM

Billy, you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about this one. If mudcat and folk don't attract black or asian people, so what? I am unlikely to sample the delights of a Rap site. I doubt if they are saying, " why no whites here then?"


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 10:08 AM

But although this is meant to be site for folk AND blues, there is relatively little discussion of Blues. And once a site gets a bias to one type of music, it is difficult to get the balance back.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 10:06 AM

There's quite a few people from ethnic minorities involved in the folk/trad music scene in Hull, [Kurdish, Yemeni, Afro-carribean, Asian etc].


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 10:03 AM

And for African Americans the blues ain't their thing?


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: muppett
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 10:02 AM

One of the best folk performers I've seen is someone who is Brown skined, this person is Johny Silvo. He performs traditional and non traditional songs from all over the world and his patter between songs is brill. Some of the older UK Catters might remember him from when he used to also be a Play school presenter.
And then of course there was Cliff from the Spinners, so it's not an exclusive club


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: rhoda horse
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 09:50 AM

Billy, not everything in the world attracts black or Asian people, There's nothing stopping them joining us here, but maybe folk music aint their thing.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 09:47 AM

Because (at least in the UK) the majority of people interested in folk music are white. If you went to a discussion board about Bhangra music you would probably find the majority were non white. Different ethnic groups have different interests a lot of the time, including musical interests. Nowt wrong with that.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 09:47 AM

Oops! And the 'not' in line 2 of my 9.38 posting is redundant. must learn to read before posting.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 09:42 AM

muppett: Sorry, I posted before seeing your latest. Thank you for proving me wrong. But I'd like to be much wronger!

BW


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 09:38 AM

Dianavan: Sure it counts. A sprinkling of Indonesian sounds truly delightful.   Send photograph and CV.

But it in all seriousness, the point I was trying to make was that very few of the contributors to this thread have not been talking about ethnicity, which, if it means anything at all, refers to cultural background. The fact that I was born in London of a fairly long line of Londoners is (as I said before) a matter of address, rather than ethnicity. And the fact that someone was born in Belfast, is now living in Boston and came to folk music through skiffle tells me next to nothing about them - certainly nothing about their ethnicity.

i wouldn't want to follow my own line of argument too far. It can too easily end up with silly arguments about who is ethnically qualified to sing certain songs or play particular instruments. Nevertheless, I still find it interesting that one kind of music- the blues - that gives pleasure to many Mudcatters and which has an undeniably powerful set of cultural backgrounds (not all black) might have been expected to flush out at least one response from an African American. This thread has, to my surprise, failed to do it.

I return to my original question. Why is the Mudcat forum so pale in complexion?


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: GUEST,Bagpuss
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 09:31 AM

A mixture of Irish, Scottish and Northern English (Northumbrian and Cumbrian) with (I'm told)a smattering of Gypsy from when some of my family were in Appleby (cf the horse fairs).


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: muppett
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 09:31 AM

Nay Billy Weeks mines not a tenuous trace of Caribean/African blood, it's a strong one & I'd class my skin colour as being shade of mucky brown, on the account of me being out in the sun a tad too long recently in just me shorts & vest.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: A Wandering Minstrel
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 08:52 AM

nearly 100% human but welsh by marriage


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: GUEST,Seaking
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 02:43 AM

Born and lived until 10 years old in Bangor Co.Down. Raised on a diet of Clancy Brothers. Now settled in Felixstowe, Suffolk.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: dianavan
Date: 10 Jun 04 - 08:12 PM

Billy Weeks - Does a sprinkling of Indonesian count?


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 10 Jun 04 - 09:16 AM

Polish=Mother's side
Russian=Father's side

I claim no nation for my own

..xx..e


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: John P
Date: 10 Jun 04 - 08:40 AM

I was born and raised near Kalamazoo, Michigan, making me an American. My ancestors' nationalities were Dutch on my dad's side and 1/2 Dutch, 1/4 English, and 1/4 Welsh on my mom's. My ethnic origin seems to be mostly Northern European with a bit of Celt thrown in.

John P


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: el ted
Date: 10 Jun 04 - 08:40 AM

Looks that way duunit? Any beige people out there?


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 10 Jun 04 - 08:09 AM

Interesting. So far only one contributor (have I missed anyone?) has claimed a tenuous trace of Carribean/African blood.

No African Americans here? no Asians? Do you have to be white/pink/grey to join this forum?

For myself - Londoner, for as many generations back as I have bothered to trace.   It's not an ethnicity.It's an address.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Terry K
Date: 10 Jun 04 - 01:21 AM

Originally from Denmark (Norseman), settled in Northern France (Norman), crossed the Channel in 1066 - and the Knight family name came into existence (as a corruption of the old Danish).

The Knights in those days were probably not as grand as the title implies these days, but you can still call me Sir if you like.

Then again, all of the above may be bollix.

cheers, Terry


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: GUEST,augie
Date: 10 Jun 04 - 12:53 AM

Bekki
Family history is a bit sketchy as my Grandpa had passed on 8 yrs before I was born and Grandma didn't meet him until he had left the PA/OH area.I remember hearing Homestead and McKeesport, Pa. but whether that was mining work or steel mills I'm not sure. I know he went to S. Ohio from the Pittsburg area and then up toward Cleveland/Toledo before heading north and west to farm here in Wisconsin.I know every winter, I wish he'd have stayed somewhere warmer.
Best to ya
PMA
(Partial Magyar Augie)


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Bearheart
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 09:35 PM

Guest, Augie-- where in Pa did your grandfather live? I'm assuming his Ohio time was spent in the Ohio River country (where I make my home) since most of the mines are down in this area. There is an old pony mine on the property next to ours, and the nearest settlement is Mineral-- just down the road from Carbondale. Both nearly ghost towns now, but in its heyday Mineral boasted its own opera house, electric company and post office...

I'd sure like to know more about everybody-- the family history stuff really fascinates me. I know that my interest in folk music was really stimulated by my family's connections to their roots... and sometimes it's the other way around-- the music is a way to re-discover roots...

Bekki


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Muskratpete
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 09:15 PM

Feeling a little nervous here since I haven't seen too many catters of Norwegian ancestry. Traced my Dad's side of the family back to the 1600's in Norway....Mom's side of the family is from Norway too. I'm the 3rd generation on my Dad's side and 2nd generation on Mom's side to be born in America. Would like to learn more about Norsk folk music.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: mandomad
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 06:32 PM

Dad born in Dublin, tho' his parents were from County Wexford.
Mum born in Battersea, London, of London parents.
Musical influences...Rock & roll, skiffle,Blues, Irish and Music Hall, oh, and Al Bowley before I dicovered Folk.   Still like them all.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Joe_F
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 06:29 PM

Father's parents: immigrant Polish Jews.
Mother's mother: immigrant German, or daughter thereof.
Mother's father: Welsh name, but branches on his side had been in the U.S. since before the Revolution (his mother was supposed to be descended from Nathan Hale), so probably a bunch of mutts.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Dave of Mawkin
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 07:50 AM

1/2 French
1/2 American (father's Jewish)

English by heart.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 12:09 PM

2/4 Polish (Jewish), 2/4 Russian (Jewish) (my parents are both 1/2 Polish, 1/2 Russian)

Mom's parents' families had been in the US for at least a couple of generations; all Dad's grandparents (and his father) were from the "old country". Did this influence my musical taste(s)? Hard to say... I *adore* Celtic (Irish, Scottish, Britannic) music & dancing, also love English trad music & dance, as well as Klezmer, Israeli, Russian, Serbo Croatian, Flamenco, Broadway showtunes (my folks grew up just off Broadway, on West 98th St.), and classical music too.

I suspect the fact that my Mom was a dance teacher & loved folk music has more to do with my taste in music & dance than anything else...

Now I'm a "Yank" married to an English (mostly, with a bit of Scot) fellow living in Yorkshire (though it looks like we'll be moving to Denmark in a year or so) with friends in many, many countries. The world gets smaller & smaller...


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Tracey Dragonsfriend
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 03:42 AM

Just for the record - I'm English, grew up in Norwich, East Anglia, now living in the London area. My father's family are descended from the Vikings, and my mother's appear to have been in the Norfolk area since Boadicea!

Cheers
Tracey Dragonsfriend
Scorch's Pyrography


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: dianavan
Date: 06 Jun 04 - 10:59 PM

I don't know but I'm sure exogamy creates children of higher intelligence than endogamy. Better than stale genes being passed passed back and forth.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: JennyO
Date: 06 Jun 04 - 10:18 PM

No, but some of us come from the shallow end of the gene pool :-)


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