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Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2

Joe_F 06 Dec 10 - 05:10 PM
MissouriMud 06 Dec 10 - 11:44 AM
Chris B (Born Again Scouser) 06 Dec 10 - 06:59 AM
Micca 06 Dec 10 - 05:53 AM
alanabit 06 Dec 10 - 04:54 AM
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theleveller 06 Oct 08 - 09:07 AM
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Mudlark 13 Jul 08 - 06:21 AM
Dave the Gnome 12 Jul 08 - 01:19 PM
topical tom 12 Jul 08 - 12:20 PM
Dave Hanson 11 Jul 08 - 03:00 AM
Rapparee 10 Jul 08 - 09:47 AM
Big Al Whittle 10 Jul 08 - 09:42 AM
Bryn Pugh 10 Jul 08 - 05:13 AM
GUEST 09 Jul 08 - 02:52 PM
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TIA 09 Jul 08 - 11:09 AM
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GUEST,Mike B. 14 Feb 07 - 04:36 PM
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Tim theTwangler 14 Feb 07 - 05:29 AM
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Ruth Archer 14 Feb 07 - 03:13 AM
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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Joe_F
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 05:10 PM

Alanabit: Under my breath.


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: MissouriMud
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 11:44 AM

When I was 18 I saw Buffy Sainte-Marie sing "Now that the Buffalo's Gone" at the Gaslight or one of the other spots in the Village.   The experience was very disconcerting. Buffy seemed to aim the whole song not so much at me but through me - challenging some core beliefs I had been raised on regarding goodness, tolerance, patronization, racial attitudes, etc. I bought the record the next day. It was a great album, but that one song always resulted in that same very conflicted reaction - putting me well outside my comfort zone.


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 06:59 AM

Jay,

'Another Outrage' was written by Alan Burke.


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Micca
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 05:53 AM

I have always been uneasy about McColls "Manchester Rambler" specifically this verse-
I once loved a maid, a spot welder by trade
She was fair as the Rowan in bloom
And the bloom of her eye watched the blue Moreland sky
I wooed her from April to June
On the day that we should have been married
I went for a ramble instead
For sooner than part from the mountains
I think I would rather be dead


I always Thought what a selfish callous bastard to jilt a girl that he waxes so poetical like that about, just to go walking.


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: alanabit
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 04:54 AM

You would have to go to some strange places to hear the Horst Wessel Song these days!


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Joe_F
Date: 05 Dec 10 - 07:49 PM

Marching through Georgia
Warsziawianka
Onward Christian Soldiers
Horst Wessel


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: GUEST,brit
Date: 05 Dec 10 - 10:33 AM

my name by george canyon is about the loss of an unborn child it`s amazing


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: theleveller
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 09:07 AM

National anthems make me uneasy - they're usually a load of jingoistic crap, especially the British and American ones. It's particularly unsettling when they're sung standing or with the hand on the heart. Bigotry personified.


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: GUEST,Golightly
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 08:00 AM

Eric Clapton's 'Wonderful Tonight' makes me uneasy. The couple go out with her looking wonderful, he gets drunk/stoned, she takes him home and puts him to bed.
I can't help wondering how much she enjoyed their nights out.


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: mattkeen
Date: 16 Jul 08 - 06:23 AM

The English tradition deals with some very close to the bone issues

Well Below the Valley Oh

Lady of York or any varient of Cruel Mother

"All sing along now with this a nice incest ballad that I originally got from the singing of...."


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Stringsinger
Date: 15 Jul 08 - 04:19 PM

One of the most uncomfortable and yet poignant songs was Tommy Makem's version
of "Johnny I Hardly Knew Ya'". That is for sure a peace song and reflects profoundly
the desires of the man who sang it.

It's too easy to categorize the views of a person with that which they have ostensibly
been associated.

Tommy Makem never intended the death of anyone as I have known him. It is true
that there was much IRA sympathy in the Fifties and the Sixties that would have
caused the Clancy's to be associated with that. They sang IRA songs but it was my
view that they did this in a historical context, not necessarily reflecting their political
views at the time. Whether they contributed to the IRA I don't know. So you say.

There are many Muslims who have contributed to humanitarian projects and yet have
been accused as supporting terrorism. All I am saying is that it's too easy to sit in
judgement when you really don't know the views of those who are being criticized.

Ireland, for the most part, has a history of being oppressed by England. I am not at all convinced that the majority of Irish people not living in Northern Ireland would want the
deaths of their Northern neighbors. And I think the same for Northern Ireland as well
about their Southern neighbors. Many wars are ignited by political ideologies and when
the human element is introduced, these ideologies are exposed for what they are,
a power move.

Wars are fought by sick politicians and religious bigots. Anyone with any ounce
of humanity would decry the death of another human being.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: GUEST,Joseph de Culver City
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 06:39 PM

'Bold Marauder'-Richard and Mimi Farina


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Mudlark
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 06:21 AM

Staight Outta Compton is to me as compelling as a car wreck. And Roy Zimmerman's Thanks for the Support hits that chord as well.


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 01:19 PM

Del Amitri's 'Nothing ever happens'. The line 'They'll burn down the synagogues at six o'clock and we'll all go along like before' sends a shiver down my spine. When you see the anti-immigrant feeling amongst some people you can see the shades of Naziism rubbing their hands.

On a lighter note 'McArthurs Park' by Richard Harris is very powerful indeed and disturbs me no end - I've not got a clue what it is about. Even 40 years later!

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: topical tom
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 12:20 PM

A troubling, thought-provoking subject in Eric Bogle's "A Reason For It All".


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 03:00 AM

For anyone who has ever been unemployed and desparate for money, the Ewan MacColl song ' Looking For A Job ', probably the most powerful and moving song I've ever heard, sometimes too painful to listen to.

eric


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 09:47 AM

"The Idiot" by Stan Rogers. Also "McDonnell on the Heights," "Mary Ellen Carter," and "Northwest Passage" to name a few more.

"And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda" will always get me too.


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 09:42 AM

I know you will think this a crazy one.

But I can't stand even the thought of hearing a recordng of my dear dead friend Roger Brooks.

I wish I'd been a better friend to him. I hate the wasteage. I hate it that for specious reasons they don't play his one album on folk programms - for I thought his songs were the best to come from our generation.

I hate it because it reminds me of all my failures. The way I failed Roger; and the way I failed as a writer, because I'll never write anything a tenth as good as his best four or five songs.


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 05:13 AM

'Thre's no regrets, no tears - goodbye.
Don't want you back - we'd only cry again.
Say goodbye again".


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 02:52 PM

Halloween (Violet Jacob)


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 11:26 AM

"The Town I Loved So Well," sung by Ronan Tynan, unexpectedly got to me one day.

I also remember singing "Ain't No More Cane on the Brazos" with my old trio years ago. You know how it can be if you have worked in ensembles. Too often, the content takes a back seat to the arrangement and the mechanics of the performance until you have a well-honed sound - a "product." We had practiced our harmonies well and leaned toward the Chad Mitchell arrangement. In the middle of the song, during one performance, I suddenly realized WHAT we were singing and what it described. I always got a lump in the throat every time we sang it after that.
    Please note that anonymous posting is no longer allowed at Mudcat. Use a consistent name [in the 'from' box] when you post, or your messages risk being deleted.
    Thanks.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: TIA
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 11:09 AM

Powerful songs that make me "uneasy". I'll take that to mean not simply moving, but uncomfortable. There's really only one I can think of, but it jumps right to mind: "Cat's in the Cradle" by Harry Chapin -- particularly as I type this a continent away from my kids who are playing a concert tomorrow.


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: GUEST,saulgoldie
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 10:48 AM

Oh, yes, "The Universal Soldier" by Buffy St. Marie.


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: GUEST,saulgoldie
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 10:12 AM

I may have missed it in scanning this thread, but "Christmas in the Trenches" by John McCutcheon is a hard one for me to get through. I can get through it, but "Hard Times Come Again No More" by Stephen Foster is another gut-wrencher on my list.

And surprisingly, I recently had trouble with "Blowin In The Wind" because it is 40 years old, and still, sadly, current. "And the band Played Waltzing Matilda" is one I haven't performed, but I mean to. Very powerful. One more, and I don't know if this qualifies as a song, but "The Box" done (but not written) by John Denver.

I second "Kilkelly Ireland," but it is such a long song that I don't usually play it. Listeners tend to like shorter songs. At least my listeners. Maybe I'll "challenge" them with it some time.

I am sure I know others, but I can't come up with them at the moment. But others have come up with some really good ones. Great thread!

Saul


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: GUEST,Bored in July
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 09:32 AM

Hmm, I scrolled through this & the original thread, but barely a mention of Dylan. If he is, indeed, "the greatest of our time" one wonders why so few mentions of him in this sort of thread.

Curious.


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Subject: Add Lyr: Another Outrage by Afterhours
From: Jay777
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 08:57 AM

ANOTHER OUTRAGE
(Songwriter unknown by me- anyone else?)

Another outrage on the news last night:
A soldier killed, all your neighbours uptight.
Turned out of your local for the good of your health,
As if you'd pulled the trigger yourself.
I sat with Martin in a pub that night,
Old Kilkenny, and his eyes shone bright.
We sang some songs and they made him cry,
Put down his drink and dried his eyes.
Says: "All this killing's an awful disgrace",
While he spoke the tears stained his face,
Couldn't finish what he was trying to say,
We understood him fine anyway.

CHORUS:

800 years and it's not over yet,
Think of the pain and the lies we've been fed,
And above all the tears and the blood
So senselessly shed.

Born in a country that's never your own
Of immigrant parents who've left their own homes,
Those little comments that leave you cold,
Just a foretaste of what's to come,
Like "your father's Pat and your mother's Biddy,
And if you can't share the joke son, that's just a pity".
This humour they find so great,
Born of centuries of hate.

The news from Ireland is savage and sad,
And over here they think the Irish are mad,
These Troubles they'll ne'er understand:
It wasn't us who partitioned the land.
Centuries have passed and still we're oppressed
By cruel jokes and ignorance often expressed,
And a system that's made being Irish you'd think an offence.
I've prayed and I've cursed, words spat from my tongue,
All this would end and that a time would come
When songs like this needn't be written and needn't be sung,

CHORUS

So senselessly shed.

INSTR. OUTRO

From the album Hung Up and Dry by Afterhours- they were a great band. Words typed out by me from listening to the tape.

JB


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Jay777
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 08:47 AM

Another Outrage by Afterhours, from their album Hung Up and Dry, used to make me uneasy because I'm English. It's about NI, and although things have moved on, I think it's much too good a song, both musically (a great instr. outro) and lyrically, to be buried.

I tried to Add Lyr it twice, but couldn't. Any tips please?


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Jay777
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 08:02 AM

Soap Opera, by Harvey Andrews, from his brilliant Writer of Songs album, 1972 (still one of my most played).

It's about a paedophile, and makes me uneasy because the song makes me feel sympathetic towards him, which I wouldn't in real life, of course.

The album has other controversial songs too, inc. The Soldier (already been discussed at length on Mudcat) and Hey Sandy.

I rate Harvey as the best English singer/ songwriter we have, but that's just mho!


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Lucius
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 10:51 PM

Seventeen - Janis Ian


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 10:19 PM

"Black Day in July" by Gordon Lightfoot.


You read your morning paper,
And you sip your cup of tea,
And you wonder just in passing,
Is it him or is it me?


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Arkie
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 09:59 PM

Milly's Cafe by Fred Eaglesmith.


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 09:07 PM

Thread drift, but why not?: The 45 wasn't an uprising against England by nationalist Scots. It was a rebellion against the Hanoverian monarchy by supporters of the exiled Stuarts. That was a division of loyalties that ran through both Scotland and England.

If the rebellion had succeeded there would have been a great many English people who were delighted, and a great many Scots who would have been appalled.

Civil Wars frequently get rewritten in after years to make it all seem much simpler than it was. (For example the one in the American Colonies that resulted in independence - a result which at the time many people in Britain welcomed, and many people in America deeply regretted.)

................
Here's a powerful song that definitely makes me a bit uneasy, and it reflects the same kind of messy quality in history that gets ironed out - it's an Afrikaans song which is apparently very popular among many South Africans at present - YouTube coming up - De la Rey.

It's a pretty good song in it's way , and a very effective video - that's the trouble, in the light of the nature of a lot of the comments it has evoked on that YouTube page.


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: GUEST,Bardan
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 09:00 AM

I read somewhere that there were actually more scots on the winning side at Culloden than the losing. When you think about it, the concept of a nation state wasn't all that developed yet and there were complicated political issues at play. A lot of people seem to forget that England and Scotland were united under James the 1st, who was scottish. Before I get lynched, I'm not pro-colonialism or anything and I do see Scotland as a separate nation that should maybe have independance (although it'd be complicated at this stage, and they'd probably do some damage to the economy). I just don't think the history is entirely cut and dried. A lot of the oppresive stuff was carried out by Scots (eg, I think, the Cambells, though I'm not sure.)


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Joe_F
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 09:47 PM

Marching thru Georgia
Horst Wessel Song

I won't sing them, because they are mean.


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 07:08 PM

Ruth, Thanks...Haven't heard Kathryn's version, but love her voice.

She does a wonderful version of "Ned on the Hill" with Kate Rusby warbling in the background.
I find a lot of similarities in the singing of Katheryn and June, and agree about Joe Peel, a little masterpiece by Pete Bond....Ake


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Muttley
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 04:38 PM

Ard - I'm surprised they didn't pull MINE :-D

Mate we just gotta accept that our heritage and the slaughter that accompanies it will never be justified or forgotten.

But if we get bitter and angry, we're no better than the people who made us that way in the first place.

Peace, brother.

Muttley


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: GUEST,Mike B.
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 04:36 PM

Tom Paxton's "The Death of Stephen Biko".

Incidentally, I understand he's been asked to update the lyrics to "Lyndon Johnson Told The Nation" to apply to Bush and the Iraq war.


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Jim Lad
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 11:28 AM

ard mhacha: Emigration is good for the sole! Come on over.


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: ard mhacha
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 08:15 AM

Muttley,As has happened before, the powers that be on this Site have pulled the plug on my reply, censorship isn`t confined to the north of Ireland.


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Muttley
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 06:01 AM

Never said war was pretty, even or right; just repeating a truism. Of course I was also probably arguing from behind rose-coloured glasses.
In a "perfect world" (that is, a perfect world that includes war - I think I am going psychotic) there would be a parity of strike capability. The idea of striking from hundreds of miles away is no more gallant than hiding a bomb and running away (or strapping one to yourself and blowing up with it).

I guess what I was trying to say is that - whichever way one chooses to make war; doing so by blowing up innocent civilians to get back at the 'regime' (whoever that regime is) is wrong. I don't care if the regime belongs to England, Iraq, Israel, Palestine, the Red Brigade, USA, Somali Warlords etc or WHOever - attacking the folks sitting having bagels and a latte in a cafe or a Guinness in a pub or faxing a letter from the 82nd floor of the WTC is WRONG and gutless.

As for ard mhacha - so long as you carry the anger and vitriol, Ireland can NEVER recover; try being a start foe peace and good instead of carrying the torch of vindictiveness: And before you have a go at me - I am descended of an Irish convict so I get a say (as well as having more recent family living there). Add to that, one of my best mates was a member of the Orange version of the IRA - an ACTIVE member: bombings / shootings etc - and had the poor grace to fall head-over-heels in love with a Catholic girl and as a result had to flee Ireland in the hold of a ship to England and then Europe and Africa and finally come here. He and his wife can never return because there is still a price on them courtesy of his old "mates" - THAT kind of vindictiveness will continue to prevent healing in Ireland.

Finally - you said "Great songs with feeling come from the downtrodden and oppressed people of the world"

What a load of TRIPE: I sing a great many REALLY good folk tunes of English, Scottish and Australian extract with absolutely NO hint of repression or downtreading of the masses! Some good folk comes from that platform - but so does a lot of crap. A lot of really good folk music comes simply from ordinary life - grow up.

NOW - can we get back to the original thread?????

Mutt

BTW - I am born of Scottish parentage 'ard whatever' - at least MOST of your country is now in YOUR hands. Ours is still under the boot of its 'conqueror' (sorry for that to all my English mates at the 'Cat). Before you try to refute that one I have one word for you since you llike to allude to ancient as well as more modern history - - - - - - - - CULLODEN !!!!!


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Tim theTwangler
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 05:29 AM

TRULY believed in what they were fighting for and had the CXOURAGE and CONVICTION of their ideals: They would put on a uniform and do it legitimately. NOT hide a device and run away to set it off to kill and maim the innocent.
On the face of it how true.
In reality the point of veiw of the guy that would win if only you play by the rules he has invented.
Bit like the modern day conflict in Iraq.
Sure all us rag heads will come line up in one place for yah GW!
then your brave boys can launch a cruise missile or a smart bomb from a very many incredibly safe miles away.


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: ard mhacha
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 04:42 AM

Bubblyrat, Great songs with feeling come from the downtrodden and oppressed people of the world, when you live in a province made for a built-in majority and suffer centuries of hatred from a parliament of bigots, the songs written and sung are from the heart.
As Akenaton explained, democracy was and still is a standing joke here, murdering the innocent was the norm for all warlike nations, and the new name for that is collateral damage.


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 03:13 AM

akenaton, Katherine Roberts does an absolutely beautiful version of Joe Peel - a gorgeous song. Definitely one of the few that can bring tears to my eyes. Not just those last couple of verses, but all the lost promise of his early life...heartbreaking.


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Muttley
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 02:40 AM

Bubblyrat wrote: "Give a man a rifle and a uniform , and you have a Patriot. Give him a face-mask,some Semtex, and a timer,and you have the Devil himself."

n amazing statement - who says the great quotes all come from the political intelligesia:

Another statement I have heard is "One man's Freedom Fighter is another man's Terrorist". The reality is that when one tries to attain freedom and equality and uses a gun or explosives to do it and then turns those methods loose on those not directly involved - then they simply become criminal and contra-indicative of their cause. As long-term friends who sereved in Vietnam have said to me in the past (I was Padre to the Vietnam Veterans MC in Australia for over 10 years) "If they TRULY believed in what they were fighting for and had the CXOURAGE and CONVICTION of their ideals: They would put on a uniform and do it legitimately. NOT hide a device and run away to set it off to kill and maim the innocent.

But to get back to the thread:

I just put these in another thread - probably the wrong one, now I reconsider - but the following ones always crack me up.

Wrinkles, The Breaker and A Bushman Can't Survive - all by John Williamson

Mary Did You Know - Kenny Rodgers

And two I almost ALWAYS fast-forward through (unless I WANT a good cry) or turn off the radio:

Scraps of Paper - Eric Bogle

and the already-mentioned

Living Years

Muttley


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 01:51 AM

I hate it when I keep disagreeing with the same person on different matters on different threads ... but anyway, we're all grown-ups, so: the interpretation I put on that verse is, "It's lonely on the road; when I'm performing, my loneliness can be relieved briefly by making a connection with a female fan (from the stage); this is just a harmless fliratation; she may be attractive and available, but "Honey, all I see is you" - 'Honey' being the woman he's been speaking to all through the song, and if 'Honey' is all he sees at that moment when someone else is offering herself to him, that implies that he is going to be faithful to her ('Honey'). It's like saying, "I was tempted to steal the baby's candy, but when I looked at her, all I saw was my little baby sister (so I couldn't steal the candy)."

That interpretation doesn't come out of "loyalty" to Stan; there are things in a few of his songs that do bother me, and I think do not reflect particularly well on the man that wrote them. On the other hand, I do feel I owe something to his memory, having gotten so much enjoyment out of some of his songs. This one being one of them!


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Tim theTwangler
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 12:54 AM

Bubblerat
Couldnt agree more re slaughter of the innocents
Of course when it is our brave boys firing the bullets,dropping the bombs or toruring Johnny foriegner it is called collateral damage.
To me it is still the murder of those without power by those that have.
Praise the lord and pass the ammunition.


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Jim Lad
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 12:38 AM

Meself: You got me thinking. Here's the whole verse.

So alone in the lights on stage every night
I've been reaching out to find a friend
Who knows all the words, sings so she's heard
And knows how all the stories end
Maybe after the show she'll ask me to go
Home with her for a drink or two
Now her smile lights her eyes, but Honey, all I see is you

I understand why you would want to defend the man and I'm not knocking you when I say that. Stan has been blessed with a great deal of loyalty from Nova Scotians.
My interpretation of the last verse leaves me with the belief that it's about fooling around. If you care to offer me a more favourable interpretation, I will read it with an open mind.
To Conclude: With a little more forethought, I would never have written the previous post. In doing so, I am just as guilty of the same insensitivity as the man himself and for that, I apologise.
Sincerely
Jim


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: Effsee
Date: 13 Feb 07 - 10:02 PM

Dunno if anyone's mentioned Eric Bogle's song "It's as if he knows", but that cracks me up every time!


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Feb 07 - 08:54 PM

Joan Baez's cover versions of Richard Shindell's "Reunion Hill" and Dar Williams' "February" (both on the "Gone From Danger" album).


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Subject: RE: Powerful Songs That Make You Uneasy - 2
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 13 Feb 07 - 07:04 PM

Just wondering, Jim Lad - that Stan Rogers song - do you mean "Forty-five Years"? If so, I thought it was more about being FAITHFUL to his wife - or his prospective wife or to his numbero uno love-interest, at any rate - resisting temptation ("How her smile lights her eyes, but honey, all I see is you" ... ). Or are you relating it to what you know or have heard about the man's personal life?


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