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Tune Req: Spanish Fandango

GUEST,corvos@localline.com 24 Jan 01 - 08:06 AM
Zebedee 24 Jan 01 - 08:11 AM
Zebedee 24 Jan 01 - 08:17 AM
GUEST,corvos@localline.com 24 Jan 01 - 02:36 PM
Ebbie 24 Jan 01 - 02:58 PM
Sorcha 24 Jan 01 - 03:17 PM
Ebbie 24 Jan 01 - 04:37 PM
Dale Rose 24 Jan 01 - 05:42 PM
Sorcha 24 Jan 01 - 06:53 PM
Sorcha 24 Jan 01 - 07:46 PM
GUEST,Arkie 24 Jan 01 - 08:57 PM
Ebbie 25 Jan 01 - 08:00 PM
Sorcha 25 Jan 01 - 08:06 PM
Ebbie 26 Jan 01 - 02:59 PM
bob schwarer 26 Jan 01 - 03:31 PM
Bill D 26 Jan 01 - 11:29 PM
murray@mpce.mq.edu.au 27 Jan 01 - 07:44 AM
Gern 27 Jan 01 - 10:17 AM
Louie Roy 27 Jan 01 - 11:48 AM
Sorcha 27 Jan 01 - 11:53 AM
Dale Rose 27 Jan 01 - 11:57 AM
GUEST,Gene 27 Jan 01 - 12:39 PM
Ebbie 27 Jan 01 - 02:19 PM
Sorcha 27 Jan 01 - 02:21 PM
Louie Roy 28 Jan 01 - 01:00 PM
Sorcha 28 Jan 01 - 01:11 PM
Louie Roy 28 Jan 01 - 05:45 PM
Ebbie 30 Jan 01 - 01:42 PM
Dale Rose 30 Jan 01 - 03:30 PM
Joe Offer 30 Jan 01 - 03:54 PM
Louie Roy 30 Jan 01 - 11:45 PM
Stewie 31 Jan 01 - 07:42 PM
GUEST,Dale Rose 31 Jan 01 - 08:03 PM
Stewie 31 Jan 01 - 09:31 PM
Stewie 31 Jan 01 - 09:42 PM
Sorcha 31 Jan 01 - 09:42 PM
Stewie 31 Jan 01 - 09:49 PM
Ebbie 31 Jan 01 - 09:54 PM
Ebbie 01 Feb 01 - 01:55 AM
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Subject: Spanish Fandango
From: GUEST,corvos@localline.com
Date: 24 Jan 01 - 08:06 AM

Does anyone know where I might find the music to "Spanish Fandango"? As I remember, this piece was composed for banjo in the late 1800s. I've never been able to find the music, but I think it was often played with a G tuning on the guitar, an example being Norman Blake's version. From what I can tell from the recording (Blake has a lot of ornamentation here), it ought to sound pretty good when played on a hammered dulcimer.


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Zebedee
Date: 24 Jan 01 - 08:11 AM

The Guitar Tab is in the OLGA: click here

Ed


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Zebedee
Date: 24 Jan 01 - 08:17 AM

If you download a free demo version of Musedit you'll then be able to read a much better score, available here

Ed


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: GUEST,corvos@localline.com
Date: 24 Jan 01 - 02:36 PM

Thanks! And Musedit looks like a neat program; thanks for the tip.


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Jan 01 - 02:58 PM

Hi! Does anyone have the lyrics to this tune? I have a friend who's been looking for them. Thanks, much.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Jan 01 - 03:17 PM

I think I have them on vinyl around here somewhere, I'll look and transcribe if I do. It will be later, tho.


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Jan 01 - 04:37 PM

Thanks, Sorcha. No hurry.

Eb


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Dale Rose
Date: 24 Jan 01 - 05:42 PM

There are many other good recordings out there ~~ Bill Boyd, Bob Wills, Etta Baker, just to name a few. As for lyrics, I have never heard of such, but that doesn't mean that there aren't any.

In sheet music I turned up five versions, none of which appeared to me to be the original, with 1877 the earliest date given.

One at Levy ~~ as a rondo by B. Carr, published by Carr's Music Store, Baltimore, no date given

American Memory Search (LOC, Duke, Brown) search, turned up four versions, with information I found given below:

for banjo, by John Magez, published by R. H. Rose, Boston, 1877

arranged for guitar, by W. L. Hayden, published by W. L. Hayden, Boston, 1878

J. T. R., published by John Church and Company, Cincinnati, 1882

arranged for the banjo by S. S. Stewart, published by S. S. Stewart, Philadelphia, 1884 (Now what instrument arrangement would you expect by S. S. Stewart?)


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Jan 01 - 06:53 PM

I am thinking of Bob Wills "Come, let's begin the Spanish Fandango, I long for the charms of your lovin' arms"...etc. Is that the right one, Ebbie? I thought it was on Bob Wills, For the Last Time, but I just looked and it's not.......I know it is Wills that I am hearing in my head, or maybe Leon McAuliffe, and I would have sworn I had it. I'll keep looking.


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Jan 01 - 07:46 PM

I am getting VERY frustrated, here. Can't find it. Dale, are the words above from New Spanish Two Step? I can't find words to it, either. aarrrggghhh.


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 24 Jan 01 - 08:57 PM

The Spanish Fandango is a beautiful little tune and is interesting in that it is neither Spanish nor a fandango. It belonged to a category of parlor tunes, many of which were played in open tunings. The parlor tunes were usually solo pieces played for the amusement of the player and a few guests. Spanish Fandango was played in an open 'G', I believe, which was also called the Spanish tuning. I have heard many enjoyable instrumental versions, but never heard it sung or seen words to that tune in print. Bob Wills did record the "New Spanish Two Step" which was also a very catchy tune and it did have words. I think Webb Pierce also recorded a vocal version of the New Spanish Two Step. Never being able to master the tune on the guitar, I worked out a version of sorts on the mountain dulcimer and imagine it would sound very nice on the hammered dulcimer.


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Jan 01 - 08:00 PM

Sorcha, I believe that's the one. For one thing, my friend is a big Bob Wills fan and #2, I too remember that at the end of a phrase it says:...the Spanish fandango.

Would you be able to find it, do you think? I'll keep looking too but it sounds like you're much closer to finding than I am.

Thanks for your efforts, Sorcha.

Eb


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Sorcha
Date: 25 Jan 01 - 08:06 PM

I know what it is, but I can't find it on the web, or at home. I will keep looking, tho. I was surprised it was not at Cowpie.


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Jan 01 - 02:59 PM


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: bob schwarer
Date: 26 Jan 01 - 03:31 PM

Hit a dead end at Cowpie too. Found one reference to an 1862 song book which had a tune, Violet Waltz, which the writer said was the same as Spanish Fandango.

Don't know for sure.

Bob S.


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Jan 01 - 11:29 PM

wasn't that the one that Etta Baker..(I think) called "The Spanish Flang-Dang"?


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: murray@mpce.mq.edu.au
Date: 27 Jan 01 - 07:44 AM

I think Elizabeth Cotten called it the "Spanish Fandang" Bill, but that is as close as I can get.

By the way I think the term "Spanish tuning" for open "G" comes about because it was used for that tune.

Murray


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Gern
Date: 27 Jan 01 - 10:17 AM

I can't help much here, but I can tell you that "Spanish Two-Stpe" and "Spanish Fandango" or separate songs. The two-step was an instrumental and one of Wills' first compositions. "Spanish Fandango" came much later, and begins something like "My sweet senorita, my own sweet chiquita... the Spanish Fandango/Hold me once more as we glide cross the floor, it's you I adore, my Spanish Fandango." It is on one of those "Best of Wills" recordings from his time at MGM, and I believe it is even available on CD. Look for the collection that has "So Long I'll See You Later," "Still Water Runs the Deepest," "Boot Heel Drag" and other fine numbers.


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Louie Roy
Date: 27 Jan 01 - 11:48 AM

I've been playing the Spanish Fandango on a guitar for 70 years and I've never heard any words,in fact I think it would be very difficult to add lyrics to this beautiful tune.Yes it is played on a guitar with the G tuning.It also has many different changes and if you don't use them all you destroy the tune


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Jan 01 - 11:53 AM

We must be talking about 2 diff tunes with the same title. Happens a lot. Ebbie is looking for the words to the Bob Wills tune that Gern and I both remember snatches of, and it definitely has words.


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Dale Rose
Date: 27 Jan 01 - 11:57 AM

One thing can probably be decided for sure ~~ the original 19th century song had no words, so any lyrics were added much later, whether by Bob Wills or someone else.


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Subject: Lyr Add: SPANISH FANDANGO
From: GUEST,Gene
Date: 27 Jan 01 - 12:39 PM

SPANISH FANDANGO
As recorded by: Bob Wills w/Tommy Duncan on vocal

My Sweet Senorita
My Own Sweet Chiquita
Let's Dance Once again
The SPANISH FANDANGO
I Long for the Charms
Of Your Sweet lovin' Arms
So come, let's just Begin
The SPANISH FANDANGO

Hold Me Once More
While We Glide 'cross the Floor
It's You I Adore
My Own Senorita
My Light of the Moon
Let's Dance to the Tune
Don't End it too Soon
The SPANISH FANDANGO

TAG: BOB WILLS-My Senorita, You are the one.

SOURCE:
BOB WILLS
TIFFANY TRANSCRIPTIONS-CD4


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Jan 01 - 02:19 PM

Hey, thanks, you guys! I'm quite certain that is the song my friend is looking for- he first asked me for it several years ago and I had about given it up.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Jan 01 - 02:21 PM

Whoopee!! Good on ya, Gene. I had given up. I was sure I had a recording of it, but I guess not. One AttaBoy for Gene.


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Louie Roy
Date: 28 Jan 01 - 01:00 PM

I learned this tune in 1930 from a 70 year old lady and she learned it from her mother so whatever Bob Wills done to this beautiful tune is a shame, because it was recorded when Bob Wills was just a gleam in his G G G Grandads eye in the late 1800s


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Jan 01 - 01:11 PM

OK, NONE of the sheet music that has turned up matches the tune in my head to the Bob Wills/Tommy Duncan lyrics. Which MIGHT be a two-step, but is NOT a Fandango. Unfortunately, I can't do abc etc. from what I hear in my head, but we are definitely looking at two completely different songs here, and Louie, did the one you learned in 1930 have words, or was it just a tune with a lot of arpeggios and riffs?


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Louie Roy
Date: 28 Jan 01 - 05:45 PM

Sorcha you drove me to the dictionary with the word arpeggios and if I understood correctly the meaning it isn't made up of chords it is comprised of many notes and don't ask me what they are for I don't know one note of music I play by ear and in playing it on a guitar you use nearly the whole neck.As far as I know there were never any words to the original Spanish Fandango which I believe was written or composed in 1877 or maybe 1876.The word riffs I find in my dictionary means a mountainous tribe Louie Roy


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Jan 01 - 01:42 PM

I was able to give the lyrics to the New Spanish Two Step to my friend yesterday- he's a happy man!

Now I'm going to see if someone will play the original tune for me.

Thanks again.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Dale Rose
Date: 30 Jan 01 - 03:30 PM

Ebbie, take your pick: Spanish Fandango ~~ Bill Boyd 1938, Etta Baker 1990, or Bob Wills, which is definitely NOT Spanish Fandango, no matter what they call it. Doesn't mean it is bad, just a totally different song.

As for New Spanish Two Step, I have it by Hank Snow and Chet Atkins ~~ can't get much better than that. Give me a pm with eMail address if you want the RA files to any of the above. I have them all right now, except for NSTS, I am not sure about that one, but it would be no problem to work it up if you want it.


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Subject: Arpeggio
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Jan 01 - 03:54 PM

Hi, Louie - an arpeggio is when you take a three-note chord and play it one note after another, instead of all three notes at the same time. I'm sure you do it all the time, and just didn't know you were doing it.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Louie Roy
Date: 30 Jan 01 - 11:45 PM

Joe thanks for explaining arpeggio to me, that is exactly how the original is played and you use nearly the entire neck of a guitar and as far as I'm concerned Bob Wills destroyed a beautiful tune, but it isn't the first one he tried to pawn off as his original


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Stewie
Date: 31 Jan 01 - 07:42 PM

For reference purposes, Dave Moore gave the following discography in OTM #6 Autumn 1972, with the caveat that he may have missed some:

1925: R.B. Smith & S.J.Allgood 'American and Spanish Fandango' (OK 45010)(second part), reissued Cty 515.

1927: Frank Hutchison 'Logan County Blues' (OK 45121) reissued on Cty 523

1929: John Dilleshaw and The String Marvel 'Spanish Fandango' (OK 45328) reissued on Cty 523, Hist HLP 8002

1935: Bill Tatnall 'Fandango' (Library of Congress)

1938: Bill Boyd and His Cowboy Ramblers 'Spanish Fandango' (Bb B-7921) reissued on Old Timey OT105

1962: Snuffy Jenkins 'Spanish Fandango' (Folk Lyric LP123, Arhoolie 5011)

1963: Mississippi John Hurt 'Spanish Fandango' Piedmont PLP13157

1964: Mance Lipscomb 'Spanish Flang Dang' Arhoolie F1023

1965: Mississippi John Hurt 'Spanish Fandango' Vanguard VSD19/20

????: Elizabeth Cotten 'Spanish Flang Dang' Folkways FG3526 (probably recorded 1957-8)

Many of these performances have since been reissued on CD. A couple mentioned above, including the beaut Norman Blake recording, were recorded after 1972.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: GUEST,Dale Rose
Date: 31 Jan 01 - 08:03 PM

Ah, John Dilleshaw ~~ I KNEW I had another great one, thought it was him, but wasn't sure, so now I will look for it. But now who WAS the String Marvel??


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Stewie
Date: 31 Jan 01 - 09:31 PM

Hi Dale,

In his notes to the Document reissue of Dilleshaw's complete works, Tony Russell wrote:

'According to people who knew him, Pink Lindsey could also play fiddle, mandolin and guitar [ie in addition to string bass]- which makes it likely he is the mysterious second man on Dilly's debut session for Okeh in March 1929, the "String Marvel", who is heard on each of those instruments. The reason for the pseudonym may have been Lindsey's connection with Columbia for whom he recorded in his own name three weeks later'.

Russell knows more about this stuff than anyone on the planet - I would go with his speculation. There have been some bizarre suggestions such as Charley Patton. The Masked Marvel played fiddle on 'Where the River Shannon Flows' and 'Bad Lee Brown', guitar on 'Spanish Fandango' and mandolin on 'Cotton Patch Rag'.

Cheers, Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Stewie
Date: 31 Jan 01 - 09:42 PM

That should read 'The String Marvel' at the beginning of my last sentence above. I think I must be cracking up - the Masked Marvel was a pseudonym for Charley Patton on 'Mississippi Boweavil Blues' which can be found on the Smith Anthology. I got the two 'Marvels' mixed up in my head!

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Jan 01 - 09:42 PM

Did we ever find out/decide if the Bob Wills "Spanish Fandango" (with words) is based on or a variant of the original "Spanish Fandango"? I am inclined to think it is NOT.......that it is a whole 'nother tune.


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Stewie
Date: 31 Jan 01 - 09:49 PM

Sorry about all that bold - it was meant to be for 'was' only. I think I'll go and lie down.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 Jan 01 - 09:54 PM

Dale, I have to get a faster modem I guess before I can get back onto RealAudio. I used to have the basic (free) one and when I was 'told' that it had expired, I tried, numberous times, to re-load and it tells me that it will take 4+ hours! It crashes long before even an hour is up.

I only have a 28Kpbs and am planning to get 56 one of these times...

But thanks.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 01:55 AM

Numberous?


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Oct 01 - 01:41 PM

to the top


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: outfidel
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 03:12 PM

Reviving an old thread about an even older song...

I've been listening to 7 recordings of "Spanish Fandango/Flangdang", all instrumentals, by 6 different guitarists:
- Mississippi John Hurt (2 live versions -- one on Memorial Anthology, the other on Live)
- Elizabeth Cotten (on Freight Train and Other North Carolina Folk Songs)
- Mance Lipscomb (on You Got To Reap What You Sow)
- Etta Baker (on One Dime Blues)
- John Dilleshaw's 1929 recording
- Steve James's version, which is based on Frank Hutchison's 1927 recording

It seems like there are 2 different songs at play here:
1) The way that Libba, Mance, Etta Baker and Frank Hutchison play it sounds pretty much the way John Miller teaches it on his Guitar of Elizabeth Cotten -- although, of course, each guitarist adds their flavor to the song.
2) The versions by MJH & Dilleshaw sound somewhat like each other's, and completely different from the other 4.

In addition, Steve James writes this about "Spanish Fandango" in his Roots and Blues Fingerstyle Guitar book:

"Derived from the influential guitar music of 18th century Spain, this waltz was quite popular with American guitarists of the 1800s, and numerous arrangements were published. Here are the first two parts of Henry Worral's transcription, based on an 1860 version by J. and L. Peters. 'Spanish Fandango' is one of the true parent pieces in American guitar music, and many recordings exist. (Some, like those of John Hurt and John 'Seven-Foot Dilly' Dilleshaw, bear only a tangential resemblance to the one here)."

Tangential, to say the least -- it seems like Hurt & Dilleshaw have a completely different song in mind.

Any thoughts on this? Are MJH & Dilleshaw really playing really playing "Spanish Fangdango", or a different song entirely?


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Subject: RE: Spanish Fandango
From: Mark Ross
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 03:09 PM

Check out the Bear Family reissue of Sam HInton's Library of Congress recordings. Sam does a version which he learned from a guitar player in his little Texas town. He claims that he didn't do it justice but it sounds just fine to me.

Mark Ross


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