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What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II

Slag 24 Jan 07 - 05:08 PM
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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Slag
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 05:08 PM

Spot on LH. Power mongerers always tend to grab for the highest flag waving and point to it in the hopes that the marks won't look at him. A lot of evil has been done in the name of many good causes and many good causes have been corrupted by the power hungry and the glory seekers.

I contend that "Religion" is a product of Man and an imposition between Man and the Almighty. The Bible has very little to say about religion and cult practices. Religion (thres-ki'-ah, in the Greek, i.e. ceremonial worship) is defined by the writer of James as in pure form and undefiled, the care and feeding of widows and orphans! That doesn't sound much like what passes for religion in our world today, does it?

How does the monotheist's God create? I don't know. Outside of what physicists can tell us about "Nothing" (no-thing) I know nothing about nothing! And yet something exists! That is the one tangible piece of evidence in the Universe that something exists. If this is the supreme example of begging the question, so be it. We have nothing else to go on. See God's Dicey Cup thread for further discussion. God must create by self limitation! How else could there be shadow and contrast. How can we truly know good without the presence of evil? I know, I know. All the great questions that have haunted Mankind from the beginning of time. However,

if God has limited His visitation upon His creation, the Bible purports that He HAS visited us in various ways at various times, all a faith proposition. Christians hold forth that Jesus Christ was God's ultimate expression of His love for Mankind, the last word on the subject. His death and ressurection denotes a new age that Christians have called the Age of Grace, the Age of God's complete forgivness and the acceptance of all who will accept His Son. Continuing with His Self limitations, He has chosen to work through His followers as they seek to spread His Word to the world. Christ Himself warned of "false christs" that would come and seek to pervert His Word and this has happened repeatedly since Christ and yet His Word stands and The Spirit of God stands ready to enlighten anyone who truly seeks Him (and not some guru or big haired Alabama preacher).


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: GUEST,Crazyhorse
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 04:49 PM

There are many problems, (and many threads); this thread happens to be about religion so that's what I commented on.

The biggest problem (and they all do it) is the brainwashing (that's abuse) of children. We wouldn't dream of allowing children to be indoctrinated with a political ideology so why do we allow this. It's obvious why the religions like it; how many members would they have if you couldn't join until you were eighteen. Give me a child until he's seven etc


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 04:36 PM

I understand your concerns. Likewise, there are a great many harmful effects resulting from our dependence on money, the political system, advertising, marketing of drugs (the legal ones, I mean), and all kinds of other things we take for granted, besides religion. All of those problems are at least as bad as the problems resulting from religion. Agreed?

And yet it is also true that a great deal of good things can be seen happening in the use of money, the political system, advertising, marketing of drugs, and the many beliefs associated with religion. Therefore, to condemn any one of these matters out of hand is to focus only on the negatives, and ignore the positives.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 04:27 PM

I didn't say that the moto affects my life. But there are many other things that do. Blasphemy laws, their resistance to euthanasia, bishops in the UK's second chamber, church schools brainwashing children, the major religions are sexist, homophoebic, eletist and reactionary. On another thread there was talk of AIDS drugs not being free in the third world where the catholic church tells people not to use condoms, just how many deaths was the last pope responsible for. No, I won't respect religion.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Slag
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 04:18 PM

I take absolutely no offense and I understand that strong emotion gets included when discussing core values and reality constructs. I welcome all opinion because no one has a complete picture of anything! What a great opprotunity to learn how others think and respond to an idea!

Nor is it my mission to convert anyone. Period. That's something I cannot do! That's God's business and His perogative. I couldn't even change my own attitudes and thinking on the subject. I had to have my nose shoved in it and even then I resisted. Metaphorically, it was only when I heard a door being closed that I realized it might never be opened again that I decided to go through. It changed my life and and gave me new eyes, so to speak. But that's just me. How God may deal with you is not in my knowledge.

All language is metaphor and ultimately the experience of God is ineffable! Makes you wonder why so many people talk so much and use so many metaphors to try to contain it.

Given the name of the thread and trying to stay on topic is difficult with such a broad query. It calls for personal opinion and that is what I have given. I have not sought to denigrate anyone's opinion. I have only hoped to raise awareness and provide some of my personal insights to aspects of the subject. Wouldn't you agree that any decision should be an informed decision? I have studied the great religions of the world and many of the minor one and a few small, esoteric ones. Compared and contrasted. Man's religious nature or anti-religious nature IS a fascinating subject to me. If someone wants to deride me for finding something outside of myself that is real to me, that prioritizes and makes sense (to me) of my world, so be it. I don't decry a blind man for not seeing nor do I criticize a lame man for not running. Christ said that He did not come to call the whole but the lame, the blind and the weak. I was (and still am in many ways) one of those. Not perfect, just forgiven and secure (at peace, that is) with God.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 04:11 PM

Well, there is evidence that there IS a "mitochondrial Eve" from whom we all descended, but this is 'almost' irrelevant to the religious claims....

It is a rather narrow fence I sit upon. While I tend to agree with the basic point Captain Ginger and Amos & The Villan are making...(that really careful reasoning and even common sense would lead an honest man to doubt the myriad tales of religion), I still cannot just grab believers by the collar and shake them, saying.."That's silly...Change your mind!"
It just don't work that way!
There are serious historical and emotional reasons why people cling to religious beliefs.....and I'm not sure I'd care to live in a world where WE suddenly convinced THEM all at once that they were mistaken!....I think it would be chaos beyond belief.

   Personally, I just plod along, explaining some of my thoughts, presenting alternatives, noting the logical and semantic traps folks get into...and hoping that gradually the majority will adopt at least a skeptical "let's think more" attitude....perhaps without totally rejecting all the deeply held beliefs that have guided their lives.
   In the meantime, I would note that we HAVE come a long way from the days when being an admitted non-believer could get you rejection and/or execution. Now we need to eliminate laws that still allow religious doctrine to be foisted on us de facto OR de jure...

We need a policy AND a set of laws AND a public attitude that says "If there are only 14 atheists in the country, they are allowed to go about their business peacefully, without pressure....and the same if there were only 14 Christians...or Muslims...etc."

We cannot force anyone to **SEE** ...but we can set good examples and hope. Force & ridicule never truly converted anyone to a new viwepoint.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 04:07 PM

How does a slogan that is written on coins and dollar bills impact your life? The slogan's a joke anyway, because the present society doesn't really believe in God, they believe in money, and that's why it's ON the money, in my opinion...because the money IS God, to all intents and purposes.

Advertising bugs me. It's everywhere. So I deal with it. I accept the fact that there will always be some things around that bug me, because I do not control the rest of the world, and I never will.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: GUEST,Crazyhorse
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 03:50 PM

Bee wrote "I respect believers" and I don't have a problem with that, what I do have a problem with is that I should (by law) respect their religion. In the US they nearly got it right with the "freedom of and freedom from" but then they went and wrote "In god we trust" everywhere. If you want to believe in the supernatural, fine, but it shouldn't impact my life and it does.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 03:29 PM

Yes, unless Adam and Eve were intended as allegorical figures, which I always assumed they were. Symbols, in other words. It was normal in spiritual tales at that time to use individual human characters to symbolize larger events which occurred in Nature.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: GUEST,ib48
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 03:02 PM

scientific proof of evolution seems to cast doubts on adam and eve doesnt it.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Bee
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 01:34 PM

I think it can be possible to discuss most religion or absence thereof without getting personal, by responding to the theology or reasoning, and not the individual, and without implying the other is an idiot.

All bets are off when religion starts preaching that some humans have less value than others, as for example the reported belief (which I am not sure is true) in Mormonism that a husband must invite his wife into heaven, or the insistence of some organized religion, such as Roman Catholicism, that women are unworthy of being priests, or Islamic instructions for when and how to beat your wife. Protestant Christian hands are not clean in this regard, particularly in the past, and there are still echos. Paul, IMO, has a lot to answer for in this regard, with his insistance on male heads of households and the silencing of women in churches.

I respect believers who are able to admit the faults of their religions, and are willing to try to remedy them.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Amos
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 01:02 PM

It is a very different thing to use imaginary playmates to reflect differing viewpoints in one's own thoughts, as a sort of game, than to use them as a justification for things one is unwilling to claim and own responsibility for, as an individual.

Slag's view aside, the use of an external deity (or any other "super-being") to "provide responsibility" where one cannot take it, and to provide "guidance' for courses of action one will not decide on for oneself, is just abrogation of one's own beingness in the world.

It's easy to get confused in the sea of significance and different angles we live in, and it is sometimes hard to sort things out. That doesn't mean one should either hand off the job to a synthetic external entitity, a witch-doctor or a priest, or flinch from doing it on one's own. That's a cheap and lazy use of spirituality, IMHO, and actually serves to degrade the spiritual side of life.

A


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 12:54 PM

I know it's a difficult and sensitive area - but when someone's core beliefs appear to involve a complete abrogation of responsibility and a detachment from reality, then I will disagree.
It's little different to the attitude of the zealot who kills because god wills it, or the schizophrenic who pushes someone under a train because the voices in his head told him to do it.
All of them involve a surrender of the will - it's just a question of culpability. You could argue that the schizophrenic has no choice, and therefore is not culpable, whereas those who say it's god rather than the voices are culpable. Voluntary surrender of the will is something we should all fight against.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 12:42 PM

As I suggested in an earlier post, this thread may turn personal as such threads often do. Slag has a belief which you may call twaddle if it suits you but suggesting that Slag is in 'dewy eyed surrender' or should 'get real' is implying that you know better.....that Slag is wrong. I agree with Little Hawk....Consider the possibility that your own life is entire twaddle too.
Perhaps Slag has something you haven't.........


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 12:42 PM

Well said. ;-) My point was that if you feel free to simply insult another human being's core beliefs by calling them "twaddle" (and it is an insult), then you should be prepared for responses along the same line...and I see that you are. At least when it comes to this subject, anyway.

To show disprespect is to invite it in return, yes?


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 12:38 PM

But, my dear, it patently is! As flies to wanton schoolboys are we. The only thing that matters about me is the DNA message I carry, and that has already been passed onwards. In that sense, I am redundant. But, having the miracle of consciousness, I'm capable of enjoying my pointlessness, and enjoying arguing the pointlessness of theism.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 12:36 PM

Consider the possibility that your own entire life is "twaddle" too. It is a possibility, after all.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 12:33 PM

I'm afraid I'm with the Villan on this - Slag's dewy-eyed surrender to the will of god is abhorent to me as a human being. S/he should indeed 'get real'.
But if we are to go along with such twaddle, at what point do we abrogate free will then? Do we stand by and allow another Auschwitz because it must be god's will? If all is predetermined down to the last jot and tittle, what scope is there for redemption? If the universe is one great big train set there can be no sinners and no saints because we're all merely cogs in god's plan for this insignificant little planet in this particular galaxy.
I'm sorry, but such a facile attitude is the ultimate cop-out for the feeble-minded and unimaginative.
The historical Jesus would be aghast at what's been done in his name, but attitudes like Slag's would probably have him changing his vocation and disappearing back into carpentry.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 12:13 PM

And your source please GUEST,ib48 for the scientific proof?


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: GUEST,ib48
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 08:47 AM

God has the same meaning as father xmas,it is a made up being to keep us in order.It is simply a way of putting fear into us,be good or else.The politicians of the time were simply playing with our minds.Surely we shouldnt believe this clap trap anymore,science has proved the bible to be nothing more than a fantastic piece of fiction.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: The Villan
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 05:37 AM

Thats up to him or her Mike. Not me. I don't agree and thats it.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 05:34 AM

But Les...'Get real Slag' is like saying you are wrong...what I am saying is maybe you are wrong and Slag has got real.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: The Villan
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 05:27 AM

I don't consider that I am right or wrong Mike, just expressing my opinion.
Its up to you what you beleive.

My father was a devout Christadelphian about 30 years ago. He started to try and convert me. I just told him, that the best he could do, was follow his beleifs, but not to try and influence me as I had no interest whatsoever in his religion. He didn't from then on. I respected his beleifs, but that doesn't mean I agreed with him. Although we never talked about it, I have taken him to meetings and got in touch with his religious brothers and sisters when necessary.
I even got one of his brethren to take the service at his funeral. I didn't agree with most of what this guy talked about, but it was for my father, not me, so I respected that.

I don't go round telling people not to be religious, thats up to them, but do religious people try to get us non faithy people to beleive in what they beleive. I am not interested.

I didn't put this thread up, I am only expressing my opinion, just like you are, and I do not have to agree with what a religious person is telling me.

There is no malice from my point of view. I respect you as a person and its up to you what you do in life, as long as it is peaceful.

Thats probably where we do agree but from different viewpoints.

I don't agree with Slag's opinion - he posted his opinion - not me.

I am not flaming him, just responding to his comments.I also bear no malice to slag.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 05:02 AM

One mans garbage is another mans fortune Villan. You have an opinion but perhaps you should consider the possibility that you may be totally wrong instead of sitting in judgement on others opinions or beliefs and suggesting that you have the right answer. Because you do not believe does not make you automatically right.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: The Villan
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 04:38 AM

>God as Author and Creator of all must see His story of Man as a complete work with no cone of probablility. He has already penned the last line.<

What a load of garbage. Thats the sort of thing that makes me steer clear of religion.

get real Slag


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Slag
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 04:11 AM

All history in fact is a clear line, regardless of our ability to see it. Our future appears as a cone of probablilty bounded by physical and human limitations but as the moment passes this too, becomes part of the sharp edge of factual history. For most the light that guides is what has gone on before, that is, that which we remember, that which we CHOOSE to remember. It's fun and even educational to speculate what might have happened but it didn't. History is like the layers in the Grand Canyon, laid down in time for a time until it too is erased by time.

Had it not been for the Roman Empire, we might have had very different beliefs.

Well, that's fun, but that's not what happened. God as Author and Creator of all must see His story of Man as a complete work with no cone of probablility. He has already penned the last line. Plays havoc with "freewill" doesn't it? In chess, I believe the term is "Zugzwang" where the player has a limited number of moves, all of which lead to checkmate. This is how it must be for an omniscient God but not for limited Man. We keep thinking that WE are the masters of our destinies.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 03:39 AM

Sorry, but no. As I see it, god has promised nothing. A collection of storybooks that have been passed down the centuries makes mention of the myths of a near-eastern people, and these are echoed in some interpretations of what may by 1st century rabbinical teachings. The are interesting folk tales concernng a grumpy killer in the OT and a numinous 'father' in the NT, but that's it for me.

And as for names - every culture that has invented the concept of the divine has given its god or gods names. The fact that people here use the Christian convention is largely the happenstance of history. Had it not been for the Roman Empire, we might have very different beliefs. Put it down, alongside aqueducts and being safe to walk the streets at night, as one of the things the Romans did for us.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: The Villan
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 03:18 AM

>>If nothing else it should peak your curiosity to look into just what God HAS promised and the Names He owns,<<

Why?


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Slag
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 03:10 AM

In the New Testament, Book of John we read that "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

Further revelation! The same theme is in the OT but not so prominently portrayed. There you have such passages as "Thy word have I hid in my heart, that I might not sin against you." it is this emphasis upon the Word of God that give the Bible it's authority in things Jewish and with the NT, things Christian.

"The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us" God's personification of His atributes. Christ said "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father." and "I and the Father are One" and I am (I AM) the Way and the Truth and the Life. No man cometh unto the Father except by me."

If nothing else it should peak your curiosity to look into just what God HAS promised and the Names He owns, that is to say that He embodies the paradigm of. Some are "God is Love" Prince of Peace. Savior, Redeemer, The Good Shepard.

And in contrast to other human concepts of God which reflect all the short comings of Man, the Judeo-Christian God reflects all the highest aspirations of good men and attributes the evil aspect of human nature to a lesser and twisted being, Satan ( translated "Adversary")


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Slag
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 02:26 AM

The main revelation of the Torah is God's name, I AM. Keeping in mind my definition(s) above, God thus enthrones the paradigm of existence. Pretty good for ancient minds, wouldn't you say?

I'm either still having trouble with this ancient machine or someone is hacking my machine. Don't know which yet but I'll break up my responses. I'm getting tired of losing several paragraphs before I can get them posted. Anyone having similar problems??


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: robomatic
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 10:27 PM

God as embodied in physics is an ideal limit like the speed of light whose symbol is C, which is also a symbol for
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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Amos
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 08:17 PM

One Hundred.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 08:12 PM

Yes, I understand, but that's just personalization....like people do with a lot of other things. However, I do get the gist of your objection.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Amos
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 08:08 PM

Sorry, LH, I don't agree. The illogic hinges on the cognitive dissonance inherent in calling the infinite a "someone" .

A


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 08:08 PM

Excellent! ;-)


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 08:05 PM

Probably not - I don't mind being called 'God'!


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 08:03 PM

Perhaps, Captain Ginger, the better side of you that enabled you to find the strength to change is exactly what other people refer to as "God"...

If so, what does it matter what they call it?


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 07:46 PM

"This is logically untenable as a proposition."

Only if you give it a literal (physical) interpretation, Amos.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 07:45 PM

Indeed you don't have to be religious to change. I, too, was once a heavy smoking, heavy drinking, swearing, womaniser. God had nothing to do with my changing - it was my own realisation that I was letting people down, pissing them off and playing fast and loose with my health. Selfish reasons, if you like! And I, too, prefer the 'new' me to the old (even if some say I've become boring) - but I can have the pride in a job well done rather than letting a god take the credit! ;-)


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: The Villan
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 06:19 PM

>>There is someone out there bigger than all of us even though some of us don't know it yet.
<<

Me :-)

My father always told me that you should never talk about Politics, Religion, and I agree with him. They both cause so much conflict.

Mike you don't have to be religious to change your life style, you need to beleive in morality and have the strength to realise when things ain't going right and do something about it.

However if you beleive that is what helped you to change your lifestyle, then who am I to criticise.

We all get bum deals in our life and most get up off the floor and sort our life out. That doesn't need God. Well not in my mind.

You may have had a tough time, but I am pretty sure I can match you, but I have never looked to God to get me out of it.

No offence M8 but I have done the same as you but without some fictitious being up there.

Will you still talk to me :-) Glad you ain't coming Friday LOL Iam only joking - you are a very good M8


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Amos
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 06:14 PM

Seek your own truth and believe what you want to believe

The first is the best advice anyone ever got; the second is inevitable.

There is someone out there bigger than all of us even though some of us don't know it yet.

This is logically untenable as a proposition. It is also condescending, but what the hey -- arrogance comes in lots of flavors.

Best of luck with your on going answers, Mike.

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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: LilyFestre
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 06:10 PM

Reedickledoggle....LOVE IT! LOL!

Michelle


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 05:59 PM

What does the word God mean to me? It means the very means by which I changed from being a heavy smoking, heavy drinking, swearing, womaniser into the person I am now and I quite like me as I am. I hated myself for the things I did before 1991 when I was zapped by God. I am not perfect now and no person who claims they are Christian is! We all fall short of the Glory of the Lord and all say and do wrong things at times but we are working, or should be working on ourselves to become perfect in His sight.
Before becoming Christian I had for years felt an unfulfilled emptiness in my life in spite of a 'full' living lifestyle. That 'gap' has been filled and no-one can convince me that God does not exist or that Jesus does not love me for who I am. Answers to prayer and events that happen in my life could not do less than convince me that there is someone out there much bigger than me.
There is someone out there bigger than all of us even though some of us don't know it yet.
Seek your own truth and believe what you want to believe but at least keep seeking.
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 04:38 PM

What does the word "God" mean to me?

Well. Hmmm. It means the final arbiter. The one who brings down the hammer at the last trump and settles the score with all them that done wrong, and rewards the righteous. Yup. That's when humans are gonna get brought down a peg or two and us chimps and other primates are gonna get what's owed us! Yeah.

Other than that, it means a realllly long-legged, good-lookin' dame with a lonnng cigarette holder wearin' nothin' but a few bits of lacy negligee and black fishnet stockings and high-heeled shoes. Yeah. Kreegah!

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 04:21 PM

Yes, that's right. Deities smite. And people get smitten. I've been smitten myself on a few occasions.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 03:57 PM

No no no, it's 'smiting' that's done by deities. Just as the humans do the begetting.
The striking I mention would be merely the action of irrefutable logic. Or prunes.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 03:28 PM

Har! Har! I like that one, Georgiansilver.


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Amos
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 02:31 PM

Oh? By whom or what would such "striking" be performed? The High-Voltage Deity? The Winds and Storms Lord? Maybe the Sudden Falling Blunt Objects Department In Charge? Sheesh. The notion that anything spiritual could be so vengeful is reeedickledockle.





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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 01:30 PM

Is it possible for even a believer to understand god? And opinions don't require understanding - if they did, there are certain posters here who would be struck mute!


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Subject: RE: What does the word 'God' mean to you?,II
From: Amos
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 12:50 PM

Whose ignorance or arogance were you, in particular, speaking to there, Robin Goodfellow?


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