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BS: puzzle UK

okthen 12 Dec 00 - 03:54 AM
KingBrilliant 12 Dec 00 - 05:10 AM
GUEST 12 Dec 00 - 05:12 AM
AndyG 12 Dec 00 - 05:50 AM
GUEST,micca at work 12 Dec 00 - 06:38 AM
Wolfgang 12 Dec 00 - 06:41 AM
Wolfgang 12 Dec 00 - 06:43 AM
Brakn 12 Dec 00 - 07:00 AM
Patrish(inactive) 12 Dec 00 - 07:10 AM
Malcolm Douglas 12 Dec 00 - 07:12 AM
Patrish(inactive) 12 Dec 00 - 07:13 AM
Long Firm Freddie (at work) 12 Dec 00 - 07:19 AM
Malcolm Douglas 12 Dec 00 - 07:20 AM
Long Firm Freddie (at work) 12 Dec 00 - 07:21 AM
Brakn 12 Dec 00 - 08:06 AM
Liz the Squeak 12 Dec 00 - 08:12 AM
okthen 12 Dec 00 - 08:31 AM
Jon Freeman 12 Dec 00 - 08:36 AM
Jon Freeman 12 Dec 00 - 08:44 AM
Liz the Squeak 12 Dec 00 - 08:46 AM
Zebedee 12 Dec 00 - 10:54 AM
Wolfgang 12 Dec 00 - 11:01 AM
Jon Freeman 12 Dec 00 - 11:35 AM
AndyG 12 Dec 00 - 11:48 AM
Micca 12 Dec 00 - 12:05 PM
CamiSu 12 Dec 00 - 12:38 PM
okthen 12 Dec 00 - 03:09 PM
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okthen 12 Dec 00 - 05:10 PM
NightWing 12 Dec 00 - 05:45 PM
MartinRyan 12 Dec 00 - 06:00 PM
Micca 12 Dec 00 - 06:59 PM
Wolfgang 13 Dec 00 - 04:55 AM
Ella who is Sooze 13 Dec 00 - 05:24 AM
GUEST,Roger the skiffler 13 Dec 00 - 05:53 AM
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okthen 13 Dec 00 - 08:28 AM
Wolfgang 13 Dec 00 - 09:53 AM
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Greyeyes 13 Dec 00 - 02:03 PM
Micca 13 Dec 00 - 02:28 PM
Greyeyes 13 Dec 00 - 06:27 PM
NightWing 13 Dec 00 - 07:26 PM
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Subject: puzzle UK
From: okthen
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 03:54 AM

These are from my son's school quiz,we've got the other 23, They are names of stations on the london underground network.I presume they are stations still open (?).The questions are....

1)"It could be Lombardy,black or white."

2)"The sign of a goose which follows Jesus"

3)"when orange trees died, four teas and a turnaround were needed"

Your help in preserving what's left of my family's sanity would be gratefully accepted.

We don't get the answers till next week,

cheers

bill


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 05:10 AM

Blimey! That's hard.
The only (and unfeasible) thing I could come up with was that what follows Jesus is 'Christ' - but then a goose called christ? Or worse, a station called christ? Or should it be a the sign of a goose=goosesteps? (!!)
Or there again something which follows Jesus would be one of the deciples? Mark? Which is a sign. Goose-Mark Station? Nah.....

Sorry.

Kris


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 05:12 AM

The answer is obviously Mornington Crescent unless you are in nip !!

Ian


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: AndyG
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 05:50 AM

Bill,

Could you give an example or two of the Q's you've solved, to give a feel for the compilers style ?

AndyG


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: GUEST,micca at work
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 06:38 AM

Could the first be Poplar...?


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Wolfgang
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 06:41 AM

Here's a list of London underground stations to jog your memories. I'm not able to do this in English, but I'll watch with joy.

I think the idea is something like "a male athlete killing his opponent with a javelin" and then have to guess it's "Heathrow Terminal", just much better than I can do.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Wolfgang
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 06:43 AM

new try


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Brakn
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 07:00 AM

1) is Poplar.

Lombardy poplar a black variety of the tree which can be black or white.


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Patrish(inactive)
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 07:10 AM

canada Water? for number 2 Canada Geese Jusus walked on water
just a thought
Patrish


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 07:12 AM

#2 would be Brent Cross.

Malcolm


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Patrish(inactive)
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 07:13 AM

No 3 there are four terminals at Heathrow (4 Ts)??
Just a guess
Patrish


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Long Firm Freddie (at work)
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 07:19 AM

If a heron could be called a type of goose, and in the knowledge St Paul, a disciple of Jesus has as his sign the Keys (to the gates of Heaven), then the answer to number 2 could be Heron Quays.

Possibly.

LFF


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 07:20 AM

Afraid not; there is a Brent Goose; "Cross" is self-explanatory...


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Long Firm Freddie (at work)
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 07:21 AM

Darn keyboard! That should have read Brent Cross!

(Well done, Malcolm!)


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Brakn
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 08:06 AM

#3
Tried to get Totteridge &(and) Whetstone out of part of the clue (and TTTT) but it's not quite right.


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 08:12 AM

Please tell me you are going to post the answers, that last one has been driving me completely barmy all week!

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: okthen
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 08:31 AM

Wow, thanks for these, I am stunned at the number of replies in such a short time.

At the mo' am pretty sure 1) is poplar. 3) I'm allmost certain is heathrow terminals because of the loop in the map to take in the 4 terminals. My wife thinks it's Cutty Sark because it was a tea clipper and sailed in the "roaring 40's"but neither would explain "when orange trees died" . As for 2) I think Brent Cross is the more likely but thanks Patrish, your answer was highly inventive.

will post the whole quiz if you want, it might amuse a party crowd so long as the have a large underground map to hand (downloadable from www.thetube.com)

thanks again

cheers

bill


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 08:36 AM

3 Is an anagram of When Orange Trees Died T,T,T,T

Totteridge and Whetstone.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 08:44 AM

Oops, missed Brakns post and didn't check mine to carefully either - that does not work!

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 08:46 AM

Yes please, I have to produce a quiz for the works party, that sounds a hoot!

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Zebedee
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 10:54 AM

Jon,

I'm impressed. But I wonder how you did it?

"when orange trees died, four teas and a turnaround were needed"

Knowing the answer, it's slightly more obvious. Did you just sit down and work out an anagram of 'when orange trees died tttt'?

Whatever, I'm impressed.

Ed


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Wolfgang
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 11:01 AM

there are anagram finders on the web. (but even with them it's difficult)

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 11:35 AM

Ed, it doesn't work,

I used to do crypitic crosswords a lot and suspected that anagram and then used Wolfgangs link (and a bit of messing around) to get the list of the stations and looked for names that contained those letters. I checked some letters and assumed I had got it right but then spotted bracn's post and checked propery and discovered I was wrong.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: AndyG
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 11:48 AM

Personally I go with the anagram as the only reasonable solution for this clue, especially considering the very close letter match. Sadly the letters aren't there :(

Now if it were, when orange toes died, we'd have a solution ;)

AndyG


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Micca
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 12:05 PM

I think, before they buit Heathrow there were Orangeries for one of the big estates..Chiswick? or Osterley near there that were cleared for the expansion of the airport...


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: CamiSu
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 12:38 PM

The O was provide by the turnaround (at least American cryptics would do that) but there IS the problem of the extra RE... and doesn't Heathrow have a ring road around it?

CamiSu WhospentanawfullylongtimetryingtogetoutofHeathrowonce!


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: okthen
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 03:09 PM

For LTS and other interested parties, the full quiz is...

1) London's cathedral

2)Bonaparte got the boot here

3)You can deposit or withdraw cash here

4)Good place for standing on a soap box

5)Falls down repeatedly in song

6)Large Mediterranean island

7)Public open space created by mixing two primary colours

8)Country road wiyh tollhouse

9)Vampire slayer's former boyfriend

10)Itcould be Lombardy,black or white

11)A reasonable trim for hedgerows or trees

12)The sign of a goose which follows Jesus

13)Is this a dressmakers assistant,or someone who puts up displays?

14)Charred tree of acorns

15)Melanie, Natalie,Nicole and Shazney

16)Craftsman who uses beating tool

17)Muckey flume

18)Do soldiers commit to the ground here?

19)Quayside for miners bird

20)When orange trees died,four teas and a turnaround were needed

21)Did this flow under the bridge 934 years ago?

22)Construction over gap for chivalrous men

23)York cathedral not at all down

24)East Midland quadrilateral

25)Main terminus for trains to Manchester and Glasgow

Have to have a break for now (kids want the computer)will post the answers that I have in a couple of hours or so,

cheers

bill


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 03:16 PM

CamiSu, I think that in this instance, "turnaround" is used to suggest an anagram. My own feeling is that the compiler of the quiz made a mistake.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: okthen
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 05:10 PM

I'm coming round to the idea that the original question was wrongly written, I'll try and check, but won't know 'till tomorrow.

cheers

bill


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: NightWing
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 05:45 PM

Well, I've got reasonable answers for all of them. Five of my answers are HIGHLY questionable, though. Is anyone else having problems with

 1) London's cathedral
 4) Good place for standing on a soap box
11) A reasonable trim for hedgerows or trees
13) Is this a dressmaker's assistant, or someone who puts up displays?
25) Main terminus for trains to Manchester and Glasgow

I can't decide if that last one is truly a puzzle or if it's a "real question". If they really want to know the train terminal to Manchester and Glasgow, I won't have a daydream of a chance at figuring it out.

But I actually have answers for all of them. *shrug*

BB,
NightWing


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: MartinRyan
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 06:00 PM

13) Pinner?
4) Hyde Park Corner
11)Fairlop

Regards


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Micca
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 06:59 PM

1 is St Pauls
4 is Marble Arch (which is adjacent to Speakers Corner in Hyde park) 25 is Euston,


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Wolfgang
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 04:55 AM

I go with Martin on (4) Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 05:24 AM

London's cathedral?..

Either St. Pauls or Westminster


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 05:53 AM

This should keep our visitors busy on Boxing Day! I got them all but had to look at the tube map as new stations have gone up soince I was a regular commuter. I can see the arguments over the false anagram so I may have to substitute another clue and clarify "London's Cathedral" . Westminster ABBEY is out but there is also the Catholic Westminster Cathedral so either answer could be correct. A clue based on Seven Sistesr (Suitable brides for large family of musical brothers?)might be a good substitute?
RtS (no longer a quiz compiler but still an occasional contestant- we won by half a point[ but were robbed by 2 as my team ignored my answers!] last time I was involved)"smug bugger".


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: AndyG
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 07:08 AM

Erm...

City of London.

City Of Westminster.

AndyG


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 08:05 AM

Andy,YES!
RtS (now not so smug bugger)


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: okthen
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 08:28 AM

Hi all, finally got to talk to the guy who set the quiz, he admitted it was a printers error,so it has to be totteridge etc.Will give the answers I've got (not confirmed yet)

1)St. Pauls

2)Waterloo

3)Bank

4)Hyde Park Corner

5)London Bridge

6)Cyprus

7)Green Park

8)Turnpike Lane

9) Angel

10)Poplar

11)Fairlop

12) Brent Cross

13)Pinner

14)Burnt Oak

15) All Saints

16) Hammersmith

17)Mudchute

18)Gunnersbury

19)Canary Wharf

20)Totteridge and whetstone

21)Stamford Brook

22)Knightsbridge

23)Upminster

24)Leicester Square

25) Euston

These are the answers I'm submitting, if Ive got any wrong I'll let you know.

cheers

bill


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Wolfgang
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 09:53 AM

Good job and lots of fun for me. Congratulations esp. to Jon and Brakn for Totteridge and Whetstone.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Terry K
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 01:46 PM

But there is a small setter's error in that Hyde Park Corner is NOT a good place to stand on a soapbox.

Speakers Corner is, but that is at the opposite side of Hyde Park, a totally different place.

Just being picky!!

Cheers, Terry


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Greyeyes
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 02:03 PM

I agree, it must be Marble Arch, it's much closer, 'tho the Arch itself is closer than the station.


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Micca
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 02:28 PM

Greyeyes there is an underpass connecting the staion at Marbe Arch to the "soap box" area of Speakers Corner.So effectively a station entrance right on the area.


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Greyeyes
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 06:27 PM

Aha, that proves it then!


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: NightWing
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 07:26 PM

I know. I know, it's just whining ("whinging" should be the correct spelling given the circumstances *G*), but ...

For 1) London's Cathedral, why not St. Albans. I know it's not a cathedral in London, but it is a cathedral.

With the typo in 20) When orange trees died, four teas and a turnaround were needed, I went with the one about Heathrow Terminal 4 that someone came up with.

Not hardly possible for a non-Brit (who's never been to England *sigh*) to get the Hyde Park Corner one for 4) Good place for standing on a soap box. However, I think I came up with a reasonable guess instead: Monument. Traditionally, here in the States, one puts up one's soap box in a park ... presumably immediately before the monument of some unknown general on a horse that he never rode.

Given the season, I guessed Wood Green for 11) A reasonable trim for hedgerows or trees instead of Fairlop. Reasonable (thinking of "trimming" the XMas tree), but only just barely *G*

Finally, for 25) Main terminus for trains to Manchester and Glasgow, why not Caledonian Road? Caledonia is Scotland isn't it? I know Manchester isn't in Scotland, but did the ancient Scotii ever push the Romans far enough south that Manchester might be considered a part of "Caledonia"?

*blush*ing for missing 20% of them.

BB,
NightWing


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 10:04 PM

Re 25: I was dissapointed that they didn't mention Holyhead - main route from London to catch the ferries to Dublin and Dun Laoghaire. It does pass through Manchester though.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 14 Dec 00 - 03:44 AM

Just to muddy the waters: Tower Hill is another place where soap box orators can give vent.
RtS


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Subject: RE: BS: puzzle UK
From: Wolfgang
Date: 14 Dec 00 - 03:49 AM

NightWing, I live nearer and have been there more than once but I only would have 20 % correct.

Wolfgang


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