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BS: How does Gravity Work?

Roger in Sheffield 03 Oct 00 - 02:53 PM
mousethief 03 Oct 00 - 03:04 PM
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MMario 03 Oct 00 - 03:11 PM
Bert 03 Oct 00 - 03:11 PM
mousethief 03 Oct 00 - 03:14 PM
catspaw49 03 Oct 00 - 03:28 PM
Roger in Sheffield 03 Oct 00 - 03:31 PM
Roger in Sheffield 03 Oct 00 - 03:41 PM
Dave (the ancient mariner) 03 Oct 00 - 03:42 PM
Bert 03 Oct 00 - 03:45 PM
Ed Pellow 03 Oct 00 - 03:47 PM
Roger in Sheffield 03 Oct 00 - 04:00 PM
bbelle 03 Oct 00 - 04:04 PM
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Subject: How does Gravity Work?
From: Roger in Sheffield
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 02:53 PM

I need to know how Gravity works, it is just bugging me right now. How is it transmitted? There are electromagnetic waves that propogate Radio waves and the like at the speed of Light. What propogates the effect of gravity and does it have a speed of propogation? So if a new large asteroid appeared in the solar system would its gravitational effect be felt instantly by the Earth and just what mechanism transmits the effect. In Star trek world I should think this would be explained by a New Particle - The Graviton!

Roger


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 03:04 PM

Some physicists have posited the existence of a gravity particle, but none has yet been detected. When I was going to the U of Washington (1979-1983) I was told that the physicists there were on the cutting edge of graviton detection experimentation. Alas, they still ain't captured one.

According to Einsteinian physics, gravity works by bending the fabric of space time. Physical objects bend space -- the bigger the object, the more the bend -- so that other objects (and light!) are drawn toward them. The problem with this stuff is that it's hard to put it in layman's terms -- it's so bl**dy complex.

one-time physics major,
Alex
O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Peter T.
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 03:08 PM

It is clear that gravity has some relationship with time. As you get older, there is more gravity.

yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: MMario
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 03:11 PM

I do know gravity is subject to the inverse square law, as IF it were propagated in a wave.


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Bert
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 03:11 PM

It pulls you down.


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 03:14 PM

Here, this explains it all: clicky

DO play the song (about half-way down the page on the left) if you like doo-wop.

Alex
O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 03:28 PM

Perhaps you'd have a better understanding if you'd try pissing UP a slack rope.

Just a thought.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Roger in Sheffield
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 03:31 PM

Thanks Alex
Shoo-be doo,down,down,down
Bert are you a Teacher? of the 'it just does...stop asking stupid questions' kind?

Roger - now happy with shoo-be doo, down swirling around his brain purging all thoughts of gravity


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Roger in Sheffield
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 03:41 PM

Ok Spaw I am lost. You piss up ropes where you come from??. We have bus shelters, shop doorways and telephone boxes for that kind of thing over here


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 03:42 PM

Very painfully if yer chute dont open mates... Aye. Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Bert
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 03:45 PM

Aw! I was just being silly.


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Ed Pellow
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 03:47 PM

There is an excellent site ScienceNet where you can find out about gravity (or indeed any other vaguely scientific query) The great thing is that if you are in the UK you can phone them up for free and ask the experts about pretty much anything scientific, or ask for clarification on anything you don't understand.

If it's too obscure for them to give an immediate answer, they'll either phone or email back (your choice) when they're found the answer. I've found them to be always wonderfully helpful.

Ed


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Roger in Sheffield
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 04:00 PM

Ed thanks a lot for that I am off to have a look at the site

Roger


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: bbelle
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 04:04 PM

Perhaps you should consult my boobs ... they've got it down to a science.

moonjen


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: John Hardly
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 04:07 PM

It doesn't work. It does what it does and doesn't break a sweat.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 04:09 PM

While Sheff is off reading, I'd be more than happy to consult your boobs moon. No problem, happy to oblige, always willing to learn..........Get a good feel for things so to speak.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Roger in Sheffield
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 04:19 PM

The answer I like best from ScienceNet is ........Gravity is something we don't understand too well!
Do your Boobs warp space time Moonjen? watch out Spaw is gravitating towards them


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 04:24 PM

There's a guy who's bit I see from time to time as filler on the Space channel who, some time ago, wrote a wee book postulating his theory that gravity was a push rather than a pull... He's got some very interesting experiments with magnets and such that certainly make it seem possible...

Next time it's on, I'll jot down his name and his book title and refresh this thread if anyones keen to give it a look-see...

I'm not really sure how sound his science is, but it certainly is interesting...

{~`


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Morticia
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 04:26 PM

It doesn't.....it's all done with mirrors and velcro.


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 04:28 PM

Boobs... down... to a science...

ROTFLMAO!

Alex
O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: bbelle
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 04:33 PM

Hey ... they never consulted me and obviously commune with a higher power. They have a collective mind of their own. I think this may be a landmark case for evolution through creation.

moonjen


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Greyeyes
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 04:37 PM

It's awell known fact that gravity is a myth, the earth sucks.


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Ed Pellow
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 05:10 PM

And you guys wonder why people flame you...?

Ed


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Naemanson
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 05:26 PM

Moonjen and Catspaw, you need to check out Aine's latest challenge before you continue this conversation. Let's just say it bears consideration of the gravity of the situation.

And the answer is that gravity doesn't work. The Earth sucks!


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Bert
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 05:30 PM

Why Ed, we're just larking about. Does that upset you?


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Ed Pellow
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 05:34 PM

Bert, no it doesn't upset me, I've been here a while. It does however help me understand how some people might get upset.

Ed


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 05:36 PM

But Ed, the thing is, Roger already has the answer he needs, and now we're just goofing off.

Jen, wouldn't you say rather that it's a lower power than a higher one? (grin)

Alex
O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Bert
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 05:38 PM

Mmmmm, I still don't see a problem. There is at least one reasonable answer above, "Gravity is something we don't understand too well!" and quite a bit of folklore.

Bert.


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: bbelle
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 05:53 PM

Well ED, I'd expect that response from you since I recently received an email that you have flamed me "anonymously" several times. So go right ahead ... flame me with or without using your "name," but you have to promise to leave everyone else alone.

jenny


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Branwen23
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 05:58 PM

you guys might also check out howstuffworks.com

I don't know if they talk about gravity specifically, but it's a pretty groovy site...


-Branwen-


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Branwen23
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 06:01 PM

found it:


-Branwen-


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 06:02 PM

You're right, Bran, that is a cool site. The gravity answer is here: clicky.

But it's not nearly as catchy as the song.

Alex
O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Branwen23
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 06:02 PM

oops... I don't know how that happened... but the link works anyway...
sorry.


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Mbo
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 06:07 PM

It's the strongest attraction in the universe
There ain't nothing better...ain't nothing worse
Study after study no one can understand
The gravitational pull between a woman and a man!


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Gary T
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 06:20 PM

How does gravity work? By magic, of course!

That was easy. Next question?


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Ed Pellow
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 06:27 PM

Moonjen,

Could you please substantiate the accusation that you've just made against me?

Here or by personal message would be good.

I don't like being accused of anything that i haven't done.

Ed


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 07:32 PM

Moonjen, you may not be aware of its effect on the backside, as well. When I turn a corner, I can practically meet myself coming and going.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 07:35 PM

It sounds as if things are getting a little bit heavy around here. That's what gravity does to you...


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: bbelle
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 07:43 PM

ED

No. It was sent to me in confidence by a friend, whom I do trust. Since those who have flamed me in the most personal ways possible, are cowards and used aliases, how could I possibly substantiate what you want me to substantiate. But I will tell you how it made me feel. It made me feel violated, just like being flamed made me feel. To know one's enemies is one thing. To not know them because they hide behind skirts is another thing altogether. Flamers have very big mouths. They think they are so clever that they just have to tell someone. Maybe, just maybe, that "someone" has more of a conscience than the flamer. So, the seed of doubt has been planted.

You wrote: "And you guys wonder why people flame you...?"

Nah. I don't wonder about flamers anymore. I am a product of the environment and don't have enough trust in me to "wonder."


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Troll
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 07:53 PM

What I wanna Know is, what did they do before they passed the Law of Gravity? HUH? Whad they do?

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Mbo
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 07:54 PM

Ask Wile E. Coyote!


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: bbelle
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 08:00 PM

All I know is that if there was any justice to be had, me boobs would have been given a mandated lobotomy about 10 years ago. Then I would've started doing the thinking for them. I learned how to fight for my womanhood and fight for my rights and fight the losing battle, but I never learned how to fight GRAVITY.


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: harpgirl
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 08:18 PM

...I thought gravity is the bending of space and time and can be mathematically expressed...and large objects create easily measured gravity...like a black hole sucks in matter because of gravity...or it could be an illusion!


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 09:07 PM

How does gravity work? Too well. Too well. It has left me unable to jog for fear of dislocating my jaw. Backlash.


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Amos
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 09:43 PM

It seems pretty clear that Einsteinian theory shows the equivalence between the mass-attractive force thought of as gravity, and the phenomena of acceleration of the referential frame within which the observer is measuring the force.

This implies that it is not the case that cumulative mass attracts but that the operational principle is something quite different: spaces accelerate into each other indefinitely in the inverse square law, which is why every time you get to the ned of one, there's another one waiting for you to look across it.

This also explains why space always looks homogenous, because the broders disappear in proportion to the movement of the observer's viewpoint, thus becoming seamless. And the bigger the apparent mass gets, the more spaces are entrained into accelerating into each other from all directions, just like unfettered imaginations galloping inside of weach others' visions. Thus, mass attracts mass (accelerating spaces invite other accelerating space to accelerate into them).

It's simple!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: WyoWoman
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 10:33 PM

Exactly, Amos. That's precisely what I was starting to say.

"He ain't heav-eeee, he's just an accelerating space inviting another accelerating space to accelerate into him ..."

ww


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Mbo
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 10:36 PM

"Gravity always wins." --Radiohead


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Troll
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 11:45 PM

I'm with Moonjen. Gravity is NOT my friend.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Grab
Date: 04 Oct 00 - 06:52 AM

RiS, Einstein came up with his space/time theory in his 20s, and worked the rest of his life on the Grand Unified Field Theory (basically a Theory of Everything, which would link gravity, magnetism and electricity together). He didn't make it either, poor bugger - imagine how it must feel spending 60-odd years on that kind of work and still not cracking it.

As for the new asteroid appearing, stuff doesn't (unless you're in Star Trek! ;-) warp into existence. So even at some unimaginable distance the asteroid's gravity will still be affecting all the planets, however microscopically, it's just that as it gets closer the effects become more pronounced.

WW & moonjen - *laff*!

Grab.


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Subject: RE: BS: How does Gravity Work?
From: Kim C
Date: 04 Oct 00 - 11:33 AM

Well, you know, if the earth didn't suck, we'd all fall off.


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