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Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?

quokka 23 Apr 08 - 07:31 AM
rabbitrunning 21 Sep 00 - 12:27 AM
Art Thieme 20 Sep 00 - 05:50 PM
GUEST,John Leeder 20 Sep 00 - 03:04 PM
GUEST,Chris 20 Sep 00 - 12:30 PM
Metchosin 20 Sep 00 - 11:51 AM
Steve Latimer 20 Sep 00 - 11:39 AM
GUEST,John Leeder 20 Sep 00 - 10:32 AM
Naemanson 20 Sep 00 - 10:14 AM
Steve Latimer 20 Sep 00 - 10:01 AM
Steve Latimer 20 Sep 00 - 09:56 AM
Art Thieme 19 Sep 00 - 10:38 PM
Art Thieme 19 Sep 00 - 05:27 PM
keltcgrasshoppper 18 Sep 00 - 06:41 PM
GUEST,John Leeder 18 Sep 00 - 04:52 PM
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Metchosin 18 Sep 00 - 04:14 PM
Dave (the ancient mariner) 18 Sep 00 - 04:07 PM
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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: quokka
Date: 23 Apr 08 - 07:31 AM

Resurrecting an old but interesting thread - obviously got too much time on hands at moment, can you tell?
Recently saw Ron Hawkins sing - this guy is seriously good - Letter from Bilbao, anyone? Great song. Also Rosy and Grey:

I want to take a street car downtown
read Henry Miller and wander around
Drink some Guinness from a tin
Because my U.I. cheque has just come in
Tell me where have you been because

Everything is coming up rosy and grey
And the wind is cold but the smell of snow
Warms us today
And your smile is fine and it's just like mine
Won't go away...
Everything is rosy and grey

You've been under my skin now for more than eight years
It's been eight years of laughter and eight years of tears

can't remember the rest of the lyrics except for the rude bit
lol

Oh, btw i also had the extreme pleasure of seeing Genticorum!!!!
WOW they are fantastic!
Quokka


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: rabbitrunning
Date: 21 Sep 00 - 12:27 AM

Gosh, nobody mentioned Captain Tractor.

For the true Canadophile(?!) I recommend a strange little CD called "Primadonna on a Moose" by Mary Lou Fallis. It's very very late Victorian operatic soprano though, so be warned! She went and found a bunch of old Canadian sheet music (1840's to 1910's) and put the best choices on the CD. Such great and enduring hits as:
Paddle your Own Canoe,
Canadian Sleigh Song,
Le Grand Seigneur,
Andalouse,
Lacrosse,Our National Game
Snowshoe Tramp
Take Your Girl Out to the Rink
Oh, What a Difference Since the Hydro Came
and By the Banks of the Sasketchewan...
Among others.

No, I'm not making this up. And I've got the lyrics sheet if anyone is desperate...


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 20 Sep 00 - 05:50 PM

Rick, Paul Mills---where are ya? To hear from you would be REFRESHING .

Art


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: GUEST,John Leeder
Date: 20 Sep 00 - 03:04 PM

Not to be confrontational, Steve, but...

To me, the question whether Canadian Content regulations have "springboarded some people into international stardom" is not very relevant, since I've noticed that people who go on to achieve that exalted state mostly cease making music that has anything to say to me. To my mind, the purpose of CanCon is to help Canadian musicians to make a decent living while remaining in Canada and possibly making music that is relevant to Canadians. And I think it does that.

I'm talking about "stardom" in the quasi-pop field, not the folk field, as folk music enthusiasts tend to be willing to embrace music from cultures other than their own. So a folk musician can become an "international star" in the folk world (whatever level of income this implies -- not on a par with Céline Dion's, I guess...) without having to abandon their cultural identity in their music.

I'd like to hear Canadian working musicians comment on this -- anybody listening?


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: GUEST,Chris
Date: 20 Sep 00 - 12:30 PM

"Guest" Pete Peterson mentioned "Sir John A McDonald Waltz" by Graham Townsend being almost unknown. Actually it's played down east, but under the title "La Rose". It's published in the fiddle book Music of Prince Edward Island, published by Mel Bay. It's also recently been republished in a Graham Townsend anthology. This is one of the staple tunes played by the Hamilton Old Tyme Fiddle Club, also the Niagara Region Fiddle Club, in the group waltz medleys. It's a lovely tune, with lots of variations on the second section.


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: Metchosin
Date: 20 Sep 00 - 11:51 AM

I have to make one more post just to guarantee Canadian Content on this thread.


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 20 Sep 00 - 11:39 AM

Gordon Lightfoot is the exception, he was a star before CanCon.

There is no question that CanCon has given us some pretty lame music as well, but it has also springboarded some people into international stardom. Would the likes of Celine, Shania, Barenaked Ladies etc. have made it without CanCon? I guess we'll never know.


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: GUEST,John Leeder
Date: 20 Sep 00 - 10:32 AM

Re CanCon: Like Steve, I'm not close to the industry, but I believe the rules have had a positive effect. It would be very tempting for radio stations to get their playlists out of LA or wherever and blindly follow whatever continental directives are laid down -- you can bet the US programmers aren't going to pay attention to unknown (to them) Canadians. At least somewhere along the line radio programmers in Canada have to be aware of Canadian performers.

Mind you, I get the impression that the criteria are pretty loose -- maybe someone who knows more about it can give us more details. Also, it would still be easy for programmers to fall back on the likes of Gordon Lightfoot, Shania Twain and Celine Dion. But I suspect people like those three wouldn't be where they are today if it weren't for CanCon.


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: Naemanson
Date: 20 Sep 00 - 10:14 AM

This reminds me that my sisters and I knew more about the political representatives in New Brunswick than we did of our own national representatives when we were growing up in Northern Maine. My oldest sister even met the Prime Minister of New Brunswick before she knew who the Governor of the state was. Of course, this was in an age before cable TV when the only news you got came through the antenna on top of the house (no satellite dishes either). And CBC came in better than CBS. ABC and NBC we vague shapes through the snow. But CBC was clear as a bell.

I remember watching a new British science fiction show on CBC about an old man who traveled the universe in a police box that was bigger on the inside than on the outside. It was years later that I found out what a cult following that show developed.


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 20 Sep 00 - 10:01 AM

Meant to say "their", not "there."

And I've contributed to the "mangling" thread.


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 20 Sep 00 - 09:56 AM

Art,

I believe that they have, but I'm not as close to them as a Rick Fielding. If there are negative effects, Rick and other performers would know them. But all in all, I feel that the music industry which is dominated by American record companies would be just as happy to market exactly the same material north and south of the border. I believe that CanCon is at least partly responsible for the success of many of the artists mentioned here who may never have had a chance to be heard without it.

And CanCon also spawned SCTV's "The McKenzie Brothers" which started as a lark. There thinking apparently being "If you want CanCon, we'll give you CanCon."


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 19 Sep 00 - 10:38 PM

refresh

Have the 1970s Canadian Content laws worked to protect Canadian interests??

Art


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 19 Sep 00 - 05:27 PM

In today's papers there are stories of towns in ITALY that are rebelling against the seeming American takeover of their local quisine and culture. These lovely old places have banned the USA's brand of fast food establishments. They are pushing the older way of sitting down with the family for a real and more formal traditional dining experience. (How rustic??)

When CANADIAN CONTENT LAWS were first instituted in the 1970s (from what I recall), it was an attempt to keep the culture of the USA from overwhelming Canada's home-grown arts and music etc. and all that that entails. So many minutes of every hour on television HAD TO BE Canadian Content. So many acts brought in for festivals had to be Canadian ! After playing at the Winnipeg Folk Festival twice, I began to realize the insideous nature of creeping Americanism----the buying of entire ways of life in the name of "progress" and the USA's idea of Capitalist Manifest Destiny.

Looking back, I'm left wondering what effect Canadian Content rules have had over the last 30 years ? Have they done what was hoped ?

Some few here in the USA are truly sorry to see the so-called "success" of our system. Rural America has been destroyed too. Indeed, we have seen our small towns, like the one we live in, Peru, Illinois, developed into grotesque mini versions of the urban sprawl that has turned the concrete cloverleaf into the National Flower. Red Lobster and Hamburger Helper are probably thinking about a merger---out of which the result will be a product like (maybe) "Lobster Helper". Could an alliance between Mark McGwire and McDonalds be far behind ? The'll pool their trillions to buy The St.Louis Cardinals baseball team and re-name the stadium The "McArena" where Michael Flatley will put on huge dance fest extravaganzas from whichever etnic group is in at the moment.

Soooooooo, how is C.C. faring???

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: keltcgrasshoppper
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 06:41 PM

Guest, You seem well versed on Ashley.. Did you know that he has been working very hard cleaning up his act. All of what you said may be true, Ashley did suffer from TOO MUCH SUCCESS, too soon, he was swept away made some very bad mistakes. But your disgusting presentation of him can't take away the fact that he is without any doubt one of THE VERY BEST Cape Breton Fiddlers. KGH


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: GUEST,John Leeder
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 04:52 PM

I've heard the "Portugese map" story with a variation: that "Canada" (wiggly line over the "n" -- what's that called again?) means "canyons" or "valleys". Or it might have been a Spanish map. They both did explorations and kept the results secret for a few centuries. Anybody know enough Portugese or Spanish to verify this?


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 04:43 PM

ashley macisaac is a great guy. i love the way he tells nigger jokes and insists on smoking in a non-smoking club. he'd be a great mudcatter.

of course, there are those little problems he has with smoking crack and fucking underage boys.

but, hey, what mudcatter hasn't smoked crack or fucked around with underage boys or girls?


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: Metchosin
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 04:14 PM

Montreal Beef, poutine and a Mae West.


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 04:07 PM

Ca'Nada (Here Nothing) Marked on the first chart of Newfoundland/Labrador by Portugese Navigators.. meaning the spot they landed on was rock scrub brush and void of people or mineral wealth... They discovered that later further south and west. Dave (the ancient historian)


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: Metchosin
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 03:47 PM

and giving away a national secret, from right here on the Island from whence they come, the true secret of really superb Nanaimo Bars is to use "unsweetened chocolate" in a thin top layer to complement and counteract the very sweet Byrd's Custard layer and then chill.


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 03:36 PM

KANATA is a native term meaning Village.. Canada is the bastardisation of that word by dumb European settlers...

And let's not forget who won the war of 1812!
LOL!!!!

{~`


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: GUEST,John Leeder
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 03:27 PM

Is it true that you can't get butter tarts in the U.S. and Britain? Or Nanaimo bars? My new British son-in-law had to be initiated into these sacred mysteries.


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: Davey
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 11:56 AM

I'll add my contributions

McGinty, Friends of Fiddlers Green, Christina Smith & Jean Hewson, Rick Fines, Terry Tufts, Alastair MacGillivray (one of the best writers of Maritime songs)...

Davey... (:>)


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From: Airto
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 11:50 AM

Mike McLeod Arthur Lebeau Nancy McQueen Steve Richards Phil Nathan Anna Roche...


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: Metchosin
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 11:24 AM

or Sunny Boy Cereal (mentioned on another thread) and Red River Cereal>

or Northern Dancer (sired more offspring than any in a three hundred year history, who says Canadians aren't sexy) and Big Ben

or Sir Frederick Banting and Dr. Norman Bethune

We'll make 300,000 today won't we guys?


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: GUEST,Pete Peterson
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 11:01 AM

Did somebody metnion Don Messer? Glad somebody said Graham Townshend. A friend has an album of original fiddle tunes that he wrote, each named for a Canadian Prime Minister; the one that grabbed me hard is "Sir John A. Macdonald's Waltz"-- and nobody knows it! (or of him!)
Let us not forget Screech, the national drink of the Newfies


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From: black walnut
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 09:52 AM

Sharlene Wallace (international award winner for improvization on lever harp, lives in Toronto)

~black walnut


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From: Chanteyranger
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 02:07 AM

The 78th Fraser Highlanders. They became the first ever highland pipe band from outside of Scotland to win the world championship. Some great highland pipe music composers in Canada: Michael Grey, Bruce Gandy, Scott Macaulay.


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From: GUEST,Lee
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 01:12 AM

Maggie (I wandered today to the hill, Maggie) Gordy Tapp (Clem on Hee Haw) Marilyn Bell -- First swimmer across Lake Ontario Stu Phillips Albert County Champagne: 180+ proof, clear as water, aged 7 days, and guaranteed to gag a maggot! Only in New Brunswick, you say?


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From: Lyrical Lady
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 12:27 AM

Raymond Burr, Raffi, Valdy, Kathy"Auntie Kate"Roland Fred Penner,Connie Caulder,Judith Forest...yes Dave..I remember "Seaway"


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From: Alice
Date: 17 Sep 00 - 06:30 PM

How about the rest of the lyrics to Vimy.


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: keltcgrasshoppper
Date: 17 Sep 00 - 04:52 PM

I thought of something else that you can only get in Canada "Shreddies" The very best breakfast cereal.. Now this will probably anoy the toothpaste person. Sorry.. KGH LOL


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: GUEST,Steve Latimer
Date: 17 Sep 00 - 04:34 PM

Today is the annual Terry Fox Run. We should all be inspired and humbled by this great Canadian.


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: GUEST,Steve Latimer
Date: 17 Sep 00 - 04:29 PM

I'm 100% in agreement with you about Pierre. Can't agree with everything he did, but I believe that anything he did he felt was best for Canada. He had the gumption to stand up for his beliefs.


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Sep 00 - 11:47 AM

Pixie - were you just adding Susan Aglukark to the list...or are you Susan Aglukark?

I saw her at the Orillia Opera House some time back. Great show!

I'm going to throw Pierre Trudeau's hat into the ring. Absolutely remarkable man, whether or not you agreed with his politics.

Yeah, and Tim Horton was a helluva hockey player...but Bobby Orr was incomparable.


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: Mbo
Date: 16 Sep 00 - 11:19 PM

Leahy kicks ass!


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From: Alice
Date: 16 Sep 00 - 11:11 PM

Another Robertson Davies fan here.
Has anyone already mentioned Leahy?

Alice


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: SINSULL
Date: 16 Sep 00 - 09:00 PM

Kids in the Hall?


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From: pastorpest
Date: 16 Sep 00 - 08:52 PM

Scholarshp suggests that "Canada" is a first nations term meaning "village" or "community" or something like that. But what really happened is the Fathers of Confederation could not agree on a name so three of them drew letters from a hat. The draw went like this: "C" eh? "N" eh? "D" eh?


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Sep 00 - 07:02 PM

There's more to life than making lists and adding to them. Any suggestions about whether there are any specific things about Canadian musicians and singers that marks them out from their southern neighbours? Is there a different sense of humour for example?


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From: Night Owl
Date: 16 Sep 00 - 05:47 PM

Helen Creighton


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From: Metchosin
Date: 16 Sep 00 - 05:26 PM

no but somebody at Ask Jeeves did.


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From: sophocleese
Date: 16 Sep 00 - 04:28 PM

You counted?


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: Metchosin
Date: 16 Sep 00 - 11:39 AM

Actually we've grown to a population of 31,281,092 as of July 2000.


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 16 Sep 00 - 10:28 AM

Anyone remember the TV show Seaway? They used a Manchester Liner in one show. Cant remember which one though... Good program. Yours, Aye. Dave


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: Pixie
Date: 16 Sep 00 - 08:03 AM

Don't forget: Bryan Adams Spirit of the West Michael J. Fox Celine Dion the other one........what's her name....oh yeah, Shania Twain, Terri Clark George Fox Kim Mitchell Terry Fox..... Ron Hines Lenny Breau (who taught Randy Bachman a lick or two) Ron Hawkins Hank Snow Valdy .....and 22 million may seem like a lot of people, but how many times would the area of Ireland fit into Canada?

Susan Aglukark


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Sep 00 - 11:32 PM

here is interesting page in Canadian Library site...seems to index MUCH musical stuff Library


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Sep 00 - 11:07 PM

and none of you REAL Canadians have mentioned Graham Townsend, an amazing fiddle player

or The Swing Geezers


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: wildlone
Date: 15 Sep 00 - 10:31 PM

One of my family on my adopted fathers side ran his railroad through a place near Dawsons Creek it now bears the his name Chetwynd .


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From: Oversoul
Date: 15 Sep 00 - 10:17 PM

"Chicken Dinner" candy bars. I almost defected because of those damn things back in '69.


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Subject: RE: Canadian Content, Eh? Got any?
From: GUEST,classical
Date: 15 Sep 00 - 09:48 PM

Canada's Haight Ashbury was in down town Toronto, the cafes of Yorkville iAve in the 50's. Now this street is paved in BMW's and Evian.


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