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Orange song sound files on line

Big Mick 04 Sep 00 - 09:59 PM
Big Mick 04 Sep 00 - 09:54 PM
Brendy 04 Sep 00 - 06:15 PM
Peter K (Fionn) 04 Sep 00 - 06:08 PM
Greg F. 04 Sep 00 - 05:15 PM
dick greenhaus 04 Sep 00 - 04:57 PM
Jon Freeman 04 Sep 00 - 04:25 PM
Brendy 04 Sep 00 - 01:04 PM
GUEST,Fibula Mattock 04 Sep 00 - 12:13 PM
catspaw49 04 Sep 00 - 12:13 PM
GUEST,Yum Yum 04 Sep 00 - 12:09 PM
Peter K (Fionn) 04 Sep 00 - 12:02 PM
GUEST,Fibula Mattock 04 Sep 00 - 11:57 AM
GUEST,Yum Yum 04 Sep 00 - 11:42 AM
GUEST,Fibula Mattock 04 Sep 00 - 11:29 AM
GUEST,Yum Yum 04 Sep 00 - 11:29 AM
GUEST,Peep-Bo 04 Sep 00 - 11:24 AM
GUEST,Yum Yum 04 Sep 00 - 11:17 AM
GUEST,Fibula Mattock 04 Sep 00 - 10:59 AM
GUEST,Yum Yum 04 Sep 00 - 10:51 AM
GUEST,Fibula Mattock 04 Sep 00 - 10:39 AM
GUEST,yum yum 04 Sep 00 - 10:30 AM
catspaw49 04 Sep 00 - 10:00 AM
Jeri 04 Sep 00 - 09:45 AM
catspaw49 04 Sep 00 - 09:25 AM
Bud Savoie 04 Sep 00 - 09:19 AM
Wolfgang 04 Sep 00 - 09:14 AM
Bud Savoie 04 Sep 00 - 08:56 AM
GUEST,Jon Freeman 04 Sep 00 - 08:55 AM
catspaw49 04 Sep 00 - 08:28 AM
Wolfgang 04 Sep 00 - 07:57 AM
Big Mick 04 Sep 00 - 12:22 AM
Den 03 Sep 00 - 10:45 PM
Bud Savoie 03 Sep 00 - 09:34 PM
Brendy 03 Sep 00 - 09:08 PM
paddymac 03 Sep 00 - 09:04 PM
Brendy 03 Sep 00 - 08:12 PM
dick greenhaus 03 Sep 00 - 08:10 PM
Brendy 03 Sep 00 - 07:54 PM
Jon Freeman 03 Sep 00 - 07:44 PM
catspaw49 03 Sep 00 - 07:36 PM
GUEST,Paddy(1) 03 Sep 00 - 07:27 PM
Quincy 03 Sep 00 - 07:25 PM
dick greenhaus 03 Sep 00 - 07:11 PM
GUEST,JTT 03 Sep 00 - 07:05 PM
Peter K (Fionn) 03 Sep 00 - 05:06 PM
Bud Savoie 03 Sep 00 - 09:17 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 09:59 PM

Dick, I am not 'Spaw. He can take care of his opinion and I will take care of mine. I believe that a careful reading of my posts will show no trace of hysteria. I further believe that if you were to read all of this persons posts on this subject you will see that his intent has less to do with devotion to cause than it does with spreading bigotry and hate. I am not responding to just this thread, but I believe you are. When Conrad has been posting Geordie lyrics, I generally just note them and copy off the ones I like. He is a good source. But when you read his posts on this subject, not only here but in other Forums, you can see his intent clearly. You also know from several years of watching me that I enjoy debate. It promotes understanding. I enjoy give and take and I enjoy getting the perspectives of folks with a different take than mine. Several times I have acknowledged having an opinion of mine changed. But this person could care less about give and take, his goal has nothing to do with understanding. He is no better than the occasional asshole who comes in here spouting Republican propaganda. If you think about it, I have sent some of them packing as well, despite my Republican leanings. I don't want bullshit propaganda. I enjoy debate. Conrad doesn't do any of this. He just leads you to horseshit websites like this one and pretends that it is about music. Enough said on this. I am outa this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 09:54 PM

Dick, I am not 'Spaw. He can take care of his opinion and I will take care of mine. I believe that a careful reading of my posts will show no trace of hysteria. I further believe that if you were to read all of this persons posts on this subject you will see that his intent has less to do with devotion to cause than it does with spreading bigotry and hate. I am not responding to just this thread, but I believe you are. When Conrad has been posting Geordie lyrics, I generally just note them and copy off the ones I like. He is a good source. But when you read his posts on this subject, not only here but in other Forums, you can see his intent clearly. You also know from several years of watching me that I enjoy debate. It promotes understanding. I enjoy give and take and I enjoy getting the perspectives of folks with a different take than mine. Several times I have acknowledged having an opinion of mine changed. But this person could care less about give and take, his goal has nothing to do with understanding. He is no better than the occasional asshole who comes in here spouting Republican propaganda. If you think about it, I have sent some of them packing as well, despite my Republican leanings. I don't want bullshit propaganda. I enjoy debate. Conrad doesn't do any of this. He just leads you to horseshit websites like this one and pretends that it is about music. Enough said on this. I am outa this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Brendy
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 06:15 PM

"..Don't forget you can send messages privately if you don't want them exposed to comment in the thread..."

Fionn?

Go play on the railway lines, will you?

I know what options are open to me in this forum.

B.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 06:08 PM

Brendy, I was only giving my take on a saying that seemed to annoy you. Don't forget you can send messages privately if you don't want them exposed to comment in the thread.

Catspaw, no I'm not devoid of hatred alas, which is probably a lot to do with why I don't get the most out of life. But if I gave vent to it all here, it would take the tone of this forum lower than anything we've seen yet. My concern before your last post was that visitors to Mudcat will see in your earlier postings (including ones where you were apologising) unpleasantness that brings discredit on the forum. But that last post was a big-hearted apology all right, being free of any equivocating. That's hard to do - too hard for me most of the time, however wrong I've been.

Well yes, OK Jon, it doesn't look good! To say the least, a breathtakingly one-sided view of the ethnic cleansing that has been going on certainly since 1969. But for better or worse, that's the way they see it and I thought that reading the anecdotal stuff was a good reminder that some of those prods are ordinary decent families born into a nightmare in which only those with exceptional strength of character can see the other side of the coin. If nothing else, I've learnt that Derry City football club once had fans in the Waterside. Anyone know what the club song was (or is, now they're back in business)?


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 05:15 PM

If this is to be framed as a Free Speech issue:

1.Rather than 'squash dissenting voices' IMHO the trend has been to point out that C. has crossed the line to 'shouting fire in a crowded theater'.

2.do not the 'anti-Conrads' have as much right to express their thoughts as he does?

Best, Greg


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 04:57 PM

Big Mick, Spaw et al--

I yield to no person in my admiration for the Irish---I can think of no island nor country of comparable size that has produced so much marvelous music.

I DO object, however, to what appears to me to be rude, insulting and hysterical attempts to squash any dissenting voices. If you don't like Conrad, fine. That doesn't mean that an initial posting like this one should provoke the flood of abuse that followed.

If Conrad (or anyone else) is puhing your buttons, maybe your buttons are to sensitive.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 04:25 PM

It is time for me to let this drop but for the record, Wolfgang, the 5 posts in fact did spark off a 6th post complaining about Conrads posts. In that thread, suggestions were made just to ignore it and I would suggest that was why it died down so quickly. It is here: http://www.mudcat.org/thread.CFM?threadID=23311

Fionn, I suppose one can view an article in different ways and it is possible that this particular article could be used in the manner you suggessted but I find it hard to belive that an article entitled "Protestants Feel Brunt Of Ethnic Cleansing", opens with "Ethnic cleansing pursued by rampant republicanism throughout Northern Ireland has changed the faces of many districts" and then uses the anecdotes you mentioned to reach the conclusion "The stories of these men, and others, certainly proves the point that ethnic cleansing of Northern rieland has been widespread over the past 30 years." was written with such intentions.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Brendy
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 01:04 PM

And Fionn. I suggest that you let that person answer for himself, and to not go around reading peoples' fucking minds.

You're a bit of a wind-up merchant, yourself.

B.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: GUEST,Fibula Mattock
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 12:13 PM

Definitely not, I wouldn't tell such an unladylike thing!


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 12:13 PM

I am sorry Fionn that you can't accept my apology here. I freely admit that I spewed the hatred as you suggest and that it was a mistake. As far as to whether I

As to whether I enjoy my life, well........that's a tough subject to address here isn't it? I assume you are devoid of hatred?

I dunno........I'm enjoying mine and I hope you are doing the same.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: GUEST,Yum Yum
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 12:09 PM

Fib, was that the night you got a free pint for telling the dirty joke about half strength viagra. sorrt about the sofa!


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 12:02 PM

Always heed the likes of Yvonne and Wolfgang who can with the side's point of view. Spaw is so far entrenched in the one side of his own argument, he can't even see that the intolerance in this thread started with him and not Conrad. He'll get more from life when he gets that hatred out of his system - just a pity has has to dump on this forum in the meantime.

Jon Freeman, in what sense was that link you gave here "not particularly helpful"? It seems to be mostly anecdotal accounts by protestants about how their communities have broken down. Very helpful reading. I would have thought, for anyone interested in how many people on the unionist side have got locked into their present mindset. As for the site "spewing poison," perhaps you could give some examples of what you had in mind. I must say I found nothing comparable with the poison Spaw has spewed here - even in his supposedly apologetic postings.

In most discussions I wouldn't need to spell this out, but as in this forum I will now be accused again of "running with the Orange ball," I will just state explicitly that the so-called loyal orders are responsible for a great deal of outrageous and indefensible bigotry. The only point I am making here is the narrow one that Conrad's post, and the link he gave, in no way justify the infantile response they got from some other contributors.

And Brendy, any time I've heard that phrase that Dick used, it's been entirely tongue-in-cheek. Between friends, as I am sure Dick thinks he is here, it's just legitimate banter.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: GUEST,Fibula Mattock
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 11:57 AM

Hmph. Last time I let a Bushmills drinker into my house he boked on the sofa. Granted we did drink the entire bottle in one sitting (our prizewinnings from a highly successful night at the Katy Daly's Pub Quiz).


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: GUEST,Yum Yum
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 11:42 AM

I cannot tell a lie ! 26ish beer swilling toe-rag punk-rock roadie, but I do like going for hikes! I know, your next line is "Take a hike, Fat boy" honest I,m only 9stone but I wear jumpers three sizes too big for me and I puff my cheeks out to make meself look tough. But I threw you for a moment didn't I.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: GUEST,Fibula Mattock
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 11:29 AM

Hmmm. A good-looking, 27-ish, witty Bushmills drinker? Nah, I would've remembered.
Uncle Metal-Detector is my uncle. He owns a metal detector. Hence the name.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: GUEST,Yum Yum
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 11:29 AM

nice one Peep-Bo, now try A..B..C..D


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: GUEST,Peep-Bo
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 11:24 AM

1..2..3..4..


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: GUEST,Yum Yum
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 11:17 AM

You mean he is young (27ish) good looking, witty, likes Bushmills and a goog session of Trad music. There cant be two of us! maybe, now JUST maybe I could be Conrad or Wolfgang keeping you on line to line BT's deep pockets. YUCK !!! what a thought, God forbid. NOPE I'm afraid I am just wee Yum Yum. Who is uncle metal detector?


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: GUEST,Fibula Mattock
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 10:59 AM

Ex-Bone recoverer, soon to be bone recoverer once more. And if you're not my Uncle Metal Detector (see further up this thread) you share the same birthday and taste for puns.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: GUEST,Yum Yum
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 10:51 AM

Then Wolfgang might be a mole for BT as well! sorry Fib but who is Uncle metal detector? I have worked out who Fibula is. The Bone recoverer, am I not right?


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: GUEST,Fibula Mattock
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 10:39 AM

That's you again Uncle Metal-Detector, eh? Didya have a good birthday?
Ach, at the end of the day all songs are worth saving. Whether or not we like them is personal opinion. We're all big enough to listen to them and make up our own minds and it's not up to us to censor for others. If Conrad is out to flame, that's his problem. I liked it better when we were all talking about mountains. I don't want to discuss the merits of Loyalist/Orange/whatever songs anymore than I want to discuss Wolfgang's occasional postings of Republican/Nationalist songs (no offense Wolfgang, and I read your comment that you welcomed recent songs of any nature) so I just don't mention or comment any of the things that might annoy me. Sure if I did, I could be on here all day whingeing.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: GUEST,yum yum
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 10:30 AM

I think Conrad is a plant by BT, to keep all Mudcatters on line to bicker and fight. Anyway to a collector of traditional songs both sides Orange and Green (or which ever way you might wish to look at it)is highly collectable. Traditional ballads/songs cannot JUST be taken from one side only. That would be like learning the history of the 'Battle of Waterloo' from the french side only. (and everyone knows that Wellington cheated) I see no wrong in Conrad's thread, only, next time Conrad why dont you take a hike up the Mournes with Fib' before you start another thread. Well done Fib, have a good time in Bristol University (a wee bird told me) Yum Yum.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 10:00 AM

Well jeri, your last paragraph could not be better and it is what I have been trying to apologize for. No, Conrad will not change. Will we? I personally will try and expect to succeed. Will others? Again, I hope so. But can we totally shun him? Well, its a long shot, but I hope so. Applauding him isn't going to make him anymore livable, so let's not do that either......even if he's elected Pope.(:<))

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 09:45 AM

This happens a lot. We respond to invisible things like someone's personality or intended motives, and not what was said. It's a pretty effective troll who can get this many replies by simply posting a link. If he was trolling, he won. Conrad is human, and has the capability of doing both good and bad things. We seem to encourage the bad. He has posted an enormous number of Newcastle songs with no reply. He does nothing more than post a link to a site with Orange songs, and it winds up being a monster thread with people jumping to beat the shit out of him.

I disagree strongly with most of the ideas he's expressed elsewhere and his methods of arguing, but I'll leave the fight to those who don't mind debating with someone who doesn't feel a need to use logic or truth. But this thread? Conrad didn't start this mess.

Spaw, the "defense" of Conrad seems more aimed at keeping the rest of us from turning into an internet lynch mob. You're right - he's not going to change. Are we? The nastiness we see in him seems to call forth the nastiness in us, and we feed off of that. It isn't a diet I care for.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 09:25 AM

Well Bud, that was kinda' my original thinking, but like I say, it was as useless as any other tack and may have been worse. However it is, I apologize.

Wolfgang....You can see that the ignoring of him didn't work well from your posting because he came back with more blatant BS. The "why" this time was quite simply my fault as I am sick of his continual bigotry especially when its veiled in his "moral high ground" attitude. It got a big response because I pushed it. Sorry....my mistake. But he's still a viper...make no mistake.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Bud Savoie
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 09:19 AM

My question, Wolfgang, is why there weren't more last time.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Wolfgang
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 09:14 AM

OK, I've checked now, Jon,
Conrad posted that link five times on one day, on July 14th, this year, and in four threads he got no response at all. In one thread there were two (perhaps three) responses. And that was when he put the politics in the foreground like this:

To learn the truth about the orange order go here -a comprehensive survey concerning tradition and celebration and song http://www.bcpl.net/~cbladey/orange.html

I still don't see why there were so many more responses this time.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Bud Savoie
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 08:56 AM

I'm trying to figure out whether I agree or disagree with you, Spaw. Wolfgang and how many others have been able to exhume Conrad's old bowel movements, so not commenting on them might have had no effect. While most of us are on Mudcat to get along, enjoy each others knowledge and wit, and learn, there will always be a few who are here to stir up the cesspool. It's arguable that when the Conrads of this world try to get people to hate each other, they should be put in their place and their thinly disguised bigotry should be exposed for what it is.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: GUEST,Jon Freeman
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 08:55 AM

Wolfgang, The last time Conrad made a post, he was advertising his site in five separate threads and it did attract some hostile replies - please check your facts.

Also, Conrad supplied a link and, viewing and commenting on that link is part of responding to the post and whether you like it or not is relevant. Conrad had posted a link to a site which IMO continues to spew poison.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 08:28 AM

Which proves how wrong I was. I apologize. In wanting to squash this miserable snake and his insidious devisivenes, I contributed. Certainly the other got no response, because we left it alone to die which is the accepted procedure for dealing with the likes of Conrad. Since I believe he will never leave anyway, I made the error of jacking with his dumbass for the simple enjoyment of it and once again Conrad, through me, proved devisive. My fault. So what happens next?

Conrad will keep trying. No one doubts the importance of preserving the songs of tradition. However, every time you respond to Conrad in ANY way....thanking him or acknowledging his posts even when they're fine (rare), we will continue to allow that hatemongering he cloaks. Is it in any way possible to completely shun him? Totally? When you say, "Thanks for the link," you are in essence saying, "Maybe Conrad has changed." He WILL NOT and he HAS NOT and it WON'T HAPPEN. COMPLETE silence toward him may work although I doubt it....but it is worth the effort I suppose.........Otherwise we fight with ourselves and he gets what he wants.

Yeah, I shouldn't have done it. Was it wise? No. Was it warranted based on what scum he is? Yes. Was it worth what it causes around here? No. But people PLEASE......Quit standing up for the guy. The leopard ain't changin' the spots and nothing is worth befriending this lowlife piece of manure. Don't THANK him!!!!

My cynical mind believes it won't happen. Someone will come to his defense....this time and every time. Someone will respond. My fault this time. Who's next?

Try not to be.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Wolfgang
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 07:57 AM

Go here for orange songs and history of celebration http://www.bcpl.net/~cbladey/orange.html

was a post from Conrad about six weeks ago. There was no response at all. Now Conrad writes,

YES indeed a page of orange songs in real audio a good site! http://www.orangenet.org/songs.htm Clickit here

and gets this load of reactions above. What's the difference? The capitals in the thread title?
The reaction the last time was the better by far, in my eyes. And if you respond, as Dick said, you're wiser if you respond to what was said and not to what you think the intention was.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Sep 00 - 12:22 AM

Dick, you know I think the world of you, but your post indicates that you didn't check Conrad's postings to this forum in the past. He is an accomplished flamer and troll who seems to get his gratification from starting a fight with bigoted posts and links to sites that if you would follow through them as Jon did, you would see that it isn't about the music. It is about promulgating the same crap that has gone on forever. He is isn't about music. The music is a vehicle for him to spread the same old crap.

And most of the posts, with a couple of notable exceptions, indicated that all of the posters (Nationalist and Loyalist alike) felt that the legacy of the Orange music is important to preserve. If you were to do a check on my posts, you would find that about 2 years ago there was a post in one of the threads by me in which I believed that this was important music to preserve. I still feel that way. It is not what my family would sing, but it must be preserved.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Den
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 10:45 PM

"I've heard an Irishman described as someone with a thick head and a thin skin". What are you some kind of fucking moron, making a comment like that. What are we cartoon characters to you. Grow the fuck up...or better still read. Den


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Bud Savoie
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 09:34 PM

Well, I haven't a drop of Irish blood (or whiskey) in me, and I find bigotry unpalatable, whether it's Orange, Green, white, or black.

There are zillions of Ulster songs that are always worth a singing. I recall a woman from the Republic saying that it was a pity that so many of the great Irish songs seem to come from the North. She wasn't referring to songs of hatred, but to the kind that bring us together.

Anyone who wants to spew intolerance can find websites devoted to it. Mudcat is not one of them.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Brendy
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 09:08 PM

Ahhhhhhhh........!!!!!

Velly intellesting.......

B.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: paddymac
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 09:04 PM

There's a bit of humor to be found in song titles on occasion. For example; we do a tune called the "Dumore Lasses". One of our members went on-line looking for it and found several versions, each different, and each also known as either the "Fairies Hornpipe" or the "King of the Fairies". My personal favorite, which I would like to dedicate to Conrad, and three alternative names: "Dunmore Lasses - King of the Faeries - William of Orange". I have encountered sly references to his appetites in various readings, but this was the first time I ever encountered such a thing in tune titles. *BG*


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Brendy
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 08:12 PM

Where's the Republican hysteria, Dick? Case not even begun.

B.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 08:10 PM

No problem. I've noticed that every time there's a post with an orange flavor, the common rules of courtesy vanish, in a flare of Republican hysteria. Not just on this site, either.

The poting that started this thread, whatever the motives of the poster was basically nob-emotional and was a link to some music. Now go back and admire the next dozen or so posts to this thread.

Case made.


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Subject: Predjudices
From: Brendy
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 07:54 PM

"I've heard an Irishman described as someone with a thick head and a thin skin. The responses to Conrad's posting confirms this,"

Care to elaborate, Dick?

B.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 07:44 PM

I can't say I have any worries about the songs. I remain unsure about Conrad's motives for posting that particular link. My wish for NI is for peace and personally, I don't consider a site publishing an article like this: http://www.orangenet.org/ethnic.htm particularily helpful.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 07:36 PM

This has nothing to do with the content of songs from either side or the middle.......Most involved in the NI debates only object generally to songs that still stress the deviseness of the situation. This has to do with Conrad. Ignore anything I have to say to him and ignore anything he has to say period. Conrad is an instrument of deviseness in both NI and the 'Cat.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: GUEST,Paddy(1)
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 07:27 PM

For the benefit of those who want to know the correct pronunciation is 'shileala'

It is an actual place between Tinahealy and Tullow in the County of Wicklow in the Republic of Ireland

Nice pub/restaurant called Taylors and the village is picturesque

. . . and Conrad my opinion of you is lower than 'spaw's.

Paddy(1)


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Quincy
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 07:25 PM

Fionn......great link!!!! Made very interesting reading.

Dick, You've got a point there! I've just been looking back over previous threads from past months and there seems to be an awful lot of Nationalist/Republican songs.....Come out you black and tans etc.

S'pose it should be evened out once in a while..*bg*

Yvonne


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 07:11 PM

I've heard an Irishman described as someone with a thick head and a thin skin. The responses to Conrad's posting confirms this,

I personally have no stake in either side, but I'm a bit furious at a concerted partisan effort to stifle the propagation of songs from 'tother side. This kind of knee-jerk political vituperation chased me off the IRTRAD list; I hope it doesn't chase me off Mudcat.

However argumentative and vituperative Conrad Bladey may have been in the past, there was nothing in his post that warranted the kind of insulting ad-hominem response that resulted. Stifle it! If you don't like the political contents of posted songs, ignore them.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 07:05 PM

Thanks for the link, Conrad.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 05:06 PM

That's a tough eight hours you did Fibula. Is the Ulster Way the route they follow (mostly along the wall) on the Mourne Walk? In fact does the Mourne Walk still happen? Last time I heard of it there was concern about the environmental impact. Anyway, glad the sun shone. You could go out on the Mournes ten or twenty times and not get a day like that.

Constructive post, Phillipa, and I'm with you too, Quincy (Yvonne).I agree about the songs and I agree about Conrad - I too have yet to see the side of him that's earned him his reputation. Good links too - the second was quite thought provoking. Normally there would be a rush of gallant Mudcatters to repair a broken link - I'll not read too much into the slow response this time *BG* but here's that second link again, this time as a blue clicky I hope: Celtic Minstrels and Orange Songsters by David Cooper (Leeds University)

Forgot to say Amergin, you're quite right about "Fionn" - what's lost in the Celtic mists is why I brought my nickname into this forum.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Bud Savoie
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 09:17 AM

C'mon, Fib, you weren't really in Ireland. Not when the weather was sunny the whole time.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: GUEST,Fibula Mattock
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 08:46 AM

Den, the fella is a young man from Pat's Road (right down there by Ballykeel Bay) and he's about 26 years old now, but I don't want to post his name - he'd go spare if he found out I was discussing him on an internet forum!


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: GUEST,Fibula Mattock
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 08:39 AM

Post hike report as requested Fionn!
It was a hike organised by the Outward Bound Association in NI - £10 to enter and it goes towards bursaries for outdoor pursuits etc. You could do a 10 mile or 20 mile treck (in a fit of madness I decided on 20). We walked from Rostrevor along the Ulster Way (which follows the road inland along the Rostrevor Forest) then on to Windy Gap, followed the wall up Slieve Moughanmore (steep!), down the other side and up Pigeon Rock Mountain, then through about a mile of rushes and bog to Spelga Dam. Spelga was the stop for the 10 mile hike. We had lunch and a sock change at Spelga then set off across Butter Mountain, along the Ulster Way by Fofanny Dam, followed the Mourne Wall to Trassey, walked down the Trassey Track and into Tollymore Forest Park, and then through Tollymore and into Newcastle, ending in Donard Park. I was in a group with my current Significant Other and a couple of friends from work. We walked it all in about 8.5 hours (that includes a half hour stop for lunch). They gave us a can of coke and a medal at the end! A medal! Last time I got a medal it was for runner up in the Slip Jig when I was about 10 years old. Anyway, it was a beautiful day. The sun shone the whole time, the company was great and there must have been about 300 people in all enjoying the spectacular scenery of the Mournes. It wasn't the most picturesque route to take, but it was great fun and a very enjoyable day.


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Subject: RE: BS: ORANGE SONG SOUND FILES ON LINE
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 08:12 AM

Phillippa, I don't think that the search likes "#" or maybe "*". A forum search for Conrad will work.

Jon


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