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Lyr Req: Mrs Stein Don't Rent to Gypsies Any More

Wolfgang 18 Aug 00 - 09:12 AM
GUEST,Roger the skiffler 18 Aug 00 - 08:27 AM
InOBU 18 Aug 00 - 07:56 AM
Joe Offer 18 Aug 00 - 03:20 AM
MythHunter 18 Aug 00 - 02:12 AM
InOBU 17 Aug 00 - 10:47 PM
MAG (inactive) 17 Aug 00 - 07:45 PM
Barbara 17 Aug 00 - 07:08 PM
Branwen23 17 Aug 00 - 07:00 PM
Joe Offer 17 Aug 00 - 06:11 PM
InOBU 17 Aug 00 - 06:09 PM
InOBU 17 Aug 00 - 06:04 PM
MAG (inactive) 17 Aug 00 - 01:21 PM
Jed at Work 17 Aug 00 - 12:13 PM
MythHunter 17 Aug 00 - 11:38 AM
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: dosn't rent to gypsys
From: Wolfgang
Date: 18 Aug 00 - 09:12 AM

InOBU,
just a minor detail, you write:
"Mythmaker, my friend, when you say it is a good song, I strongly doubt you are writing a paper about the discrimination and genocide".
MythHunter, as the correct name is, hasn't said that, Jed has.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: dosn't rent to gypsys
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 18 Aug 00 - 08:27 AM

I don't know this song, but if it has merit apart from the racial stereotyping it might work by substituting "Mrs Stein doesn't rent to students".
Perhaps I've spent too long working in academe!
Judging by recent tv series "interior designers" do as much damage but that wouldn't scan.
Just trying to help
RtS


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: dosn't rent to gypsys
From: InOBU
Date: 18 Aug 00 - 07:56 AM

Dear Joe:
My mother's grandfather was born into slavery. His wife and he were bought and sold for the crime of their skintone. He sent both his sons to College when he came to America (though Mom remembers him as a blind and nasty cuss). My mother, the grandaughter of slaves became an executive and though she keeps vestigages of her traditions in the form of household coustoms she hid her ethnicity for fear of the sentiment in such songs like - don't rent to Gypsies. I stood up the New York City Council and addressed the issue of three hundred years of discrimination in the United States and almost a thousand years of discrimination in 41 nations. Joe, you and I have generally agreed on how disscussions take place, but please don't presume to tell me how to make my mother proud. The embarassment of the world's Roma is usualy expressed by silence. When you say shut up till you hear the words, when I hear that the song is about not renting to Gypsies because some Gypsies trashed her house, that says it all to me.
I was not served at John B. Keane's pub in Listowl - he took me for a Pavee because I spent most of my time in Listowl with Travellers. Because of my mixed heritage, I look like my cousins, Ireland's Pavees. I thanked him because I was unaware at the time that he was famous for his prejudice against Roma. I didn't want to suport an buisiness which discriminates.
Anti-Gypsy prejudice is the last socially acceptable prejudice. Did I have a bad day? How many days are there in one thousand years. In Scotland our men were hanged and our women and children drowned. In Auswtitz-Bergan Belsen our families were gassed and burned, At Lette in the Czech Republic, we were shot. Today scores of us are murdered in the Czech Republic and the average sentince, when there is a trial is four to six months for disorderly conduct while the power companies turn off the electricity to throw the homes of Roma into blackness before the skin head Czech mobs come to kill and burn us out. In eastern Europe a Roma girl, thriteen years old is stabbed seventeen times by her classmates while they chant dirty Gypsy. 200,000 Roma are targeted by Albainians and Serbs in Kosovo, while being denied aid by the UN, and denied asylum in the camps in Hungery, in Italy in every nation but Macidonia where some are let into the camps and they are set apon by Albanian mobs, who attempt to tear a 12 year old child limb from limb. In Rumanina, a short time after the counter revolution, the Catholic church in one town, held a mass to bless thouse where were going out to burn down the Gypsy quarter. In this land of freedom, the United States, only 15 years ago, in South Carolina, Bates and Leesville counties pass and still enforce a statute which reads in clear and unambiguos language - Gypsies are not allowed in the county. No dear friends, it has not been a good day, and Mythmaker, my friend, when you say it is a good song, I strongly doubt you are writing a paper about the discrimination and genocide which has colored every day of our peoples forced migration. Don't rent to Gypsies - Gypsies are not permitted in the County - Murder of Rom is Disorderly Conduct - No dogs or Gypos allowed in the pub, Get along, move along, SHIFT.
Amay ROMA, ROMA OPRE, and pround
Larry


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Subject: Mrs. Stein Doesn't Rent to Gypsies
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Aug 00 - 03:20 AM

Larry, have you seen the lyrics?
If not, shut up until you have.
You are trying to argue from a point of ignorance, and ignorance begets prejudice. Most of us here would prefer to do away with prejudice by use of understanding, kindness, tolerance, and perhaps a light touch of humor - especially the ability to laugh at ourselves.
Besides, you're embarrassing your mother. Stop to think and listen for a moment, and make her proud of you.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: dosn't rent to gypsys
From: MythHunter
Date: 18 Aug 00 - 02:12 AM

Thanks to those who gave useful information. I am sorry to have offend you InOBU. Are you having a bad day?

Once I get the lyrics I shall write a version just for you; _Ms.Roma doesn't rent to white folk anymore_.

I am not trying to be more insulting or insenseative to anyones race I just think that taking offence to a simple lyric request is a over reaction. I might have been loking for the lyrics to do a paper on how the Roma are discriminated against in song for all you know.

Shall we take the songs that offend others out of here as well? _Pretty Polly_, maybe? I mean - domestic violence should not be sung about- someone might get the wrong idea about men.

Or any of the black jack/gypsy davy songs full of stereo types obviously not ligit folk music at all....

Or _Senor Don Gato_ full of stereo types about cats and the accent that most singers put on it is degrading to anyone whose first language was Spanish.

a very tired myth hunter


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: dosn't rent to gypsys
From: InOBU
Date: 17 Aug 00 - 10:47 PM

Would it be a culture class to decide not to rent to any other ethnic group? I for one would not even judge a gloc by that standard, and they have chased my mother's folks around for a thousand years!
Larry


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: dosn't rent to gypsys
From: MAG (inactive)
Date: 17 Aug 00 - 07:45 PM

I would second the culture clash theory. Satire on prejudice, I'm afraid it's not.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: dosn't rent to gypsys
From: Barbara
Date: 17 Aug 00 - 07:08 PM

Joe, I've heard the song -- Peter Krug sings it -- and perhaps it's a song about prejudice, but to me it always seemed more of a song about a culture clash.
I gotta say, I like it.
Part of the humor of it, is that it has a very lively gypsy melody. Each verse ends with a line about the hardwood floor, like:
"And they're throwing on the bonfires...are those slabs of hardwood floor?
Mrs. Stein don't rent to gypsies anymore, hey!"

The plot of it is nominally that Mrs. Stein goes off on a six month cruise after hiring a couple of gypsy brothers to caretake her mansion while she's away.
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: dosn't rent to gypsys
From: Branwen23
Date: 17 Aug 00 - 07:00 PM

The Blarney Brothers are at Milwaukee ren faire this week, so they probably aren't answering their email... But I'm sure I can get the lyrics for you when they return.

-Branwen-


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Subject: Mrs. Stein Doesn't Rent to Gypsies
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Aug 00 - 06:11 PM

I haven't heard the song, Larry, but I'm wondering if it might be a humorous attack against prejudice, and not an attack against gypsies at all.
Click here for MacColl's powerful "Moving On Song." If you search the database for @gypsy (or click here), you'll find others.
But heck, let's not judge the Mrs. Stein song until we've seen the lyrics. I e-mailed the Blarney Brothers and maybe they'll respond.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: dosn't rent to gypsys
From: InOBU
Date: 17 Aug 00 - 06:09 PM

PS
If you want a good song about "Gypsies" How about Ewan MacColl's song - I think it is called the Moving On Song, and if anyone has the lyrics, I would appreciate them posting them below. It is the one with the courus move along get along SHIFT!
Nyes Tuka
Larry


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: dosn't rent to gypsys
From: InOBU
Date: 17 Aug 00 - 06:04 PM

Dear fellow mudcatters:
What next, the Horst Wessel song? How about - don't rent to Blacks - Puerto Ricans - Jews... is there a point at which your sence of right and wrong kicks in? After ten centuries of forced migration, have we not had enough prejudice for one people? Let's cut the anti Roma crap.
Larry


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: dosn't rent to gypsys
From: MAG (inactive)
Date: 17 Aug 00 - 01:21 PM

Alan Dameron used to do this, if you can find his recordings.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: dosn't rent to gypsys
From: Jed at Work
Date: 17 Aug 00 - 12:13 PM

MythHunter -

The Blarney Brothers do a great job with this song, and I'm sure you'd get a response from the email addr they post at their website. I've have the good fortune of sharing the bill with these guys from time-to-time and they are real crowd pleasers! You might consider stopping by their site and dropping them an Email.

As far as lyrics, I don't know 'em, so I can't help you ... but it is a great song!


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Subject: dosen't rent to gypsys
From: MythHunter
Date: 17 Aug 00 - 11:38 AM

Mrs. Stein(? I think) doesn't rent to gypsys anymore because they trashed her house and I think even carried it off in pieces.

It has been at least six years since I heard this song at a convention by an artist I had never heard of before or since. The song keeps coming back to haunt me.


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