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GUEST,The Yank 14 Aug 00 - 08:26 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: GUEST,The Yank
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 08:26 PM

and quite a pair they are, too, Spaw.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: P05139
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 06:16 PM

Sorry, Brakn, but as long as Robbie is around, Take That will never be forgotten. I know several people who are still Take That fans (I'm one of them) SO THERE!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 06:10 PM

I dunno Yank.......I was only interested in the spears.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: GUEST,The Yank
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 04:53 PM

Well, I'd never heard of this bunch & the thread got me intrigued so I looked 'em up & listened-

They stink.

And they apparently act like jackasses, as well.

And that's BRITNEY, boys- should be spelled like the spaniel, but isn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Naemanson
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 07:01 AM

Oh, 6 years isn't old. I thought they might have been around a lot longer than that and my memory, never good, had just left them out of my totality.

Thanks, Matt, for playing last night. I know you didn't feel up to it but I really wanted to hear your take on Oasis and just typing words on a thread can't do that. I liked the piece you did (Fade Away) though my favorite version was the quieter one. Guess that's my old fogie-ness showing. My days of Led Zepplin and The Who are largely behind me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Brakn
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 04:44 AM

I'm surprised that there are still Oasis fans about. I don't know anyone who will now admit to liking them. They've being forgotten just like the Bay City Rollers, Take That and other pop groups. They were never a "modern" band. All old hat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 10:15 PM

Oasis debuted in 1993, their first album Definately Maybe was released in 1994.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Naemanson
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 09:44 PM

How old is the band then?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Callie
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 07:42 PM

A few years ago when "Wonderwall" was big, a local crooner called Frank Bennett (NOT Tony Sinatra!!) did a swing version of the song. It was really popular. In fact when the national youth radion station took a poll and "Wonderwall" was voted song of the year, the station played the swing version instead of the Oasis version! Very funny! And it's going back some years now. I thought Oasis was old news!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 06:45 PM

Actually, it's "cheap lousy faggot" in the song.Good substitution, though:)

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 06:41 PM

Naemasn, just in case you are not familiar with the reference used by Mbo and myself from the Pogues song, Fairy Tale of New York, have a look/ listen. I was particularly fond of their earlier album, Rum, Soddomy and the Lash and I have a feeling that you may enjoy it.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Branwen23
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 05:04 PM

wow, 100 posts-worth of Oasis B.S.... the mind boggles.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Naemanson
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 05:01 PM

My, My, Children! Such words we use! For a while there we were having such a nice civilized conversation!

Brett (puttingonhisbeststraightlacedschoolmarmattitude)


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 04:10 PM

And you are a cheapy lousy maggot! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 03:34 PM

Thanks Branwen. As for you Mbo, you are a scum bag!!! ;-)

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 03:20 PM

It was a joke! Really!


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Branwen23
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 03:14 PM

oops, fogot to "de-bold". sorry


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Branwen23
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 03:11 PM

Jon-

The fifth amendment to the U.S. constitution says:

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Basically, "taking the Fifth" is refusing to answer on the premise that you answer may serve to incriminate you. It's used a lot in court.

-Branwen-


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 03:00 PM

Well that's what I do anyway. The orchestral album just tries to stay true to the original music. But I do do gentle version, and like I said, Oasis is well known for doing gentle acoustic versions of their songs that let you look at them in a new light. Tonight is the usuual Sunday night HearMe...if you can make it, I'll show you what they went from "Fade Away" rocker to "Fade Away (Warchild Version)" dreamy bliss.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 02:59 PM

I guess you are talking about the US constitution here. If that is the case, please enlighten me and perhaps others that live eslwhere what the 5th was. I can only guess at the right to remain silent but I belive that there are others such as the right to free speach which could be appropiate - I'm not being funny here - I genuienly do not know what the 5th is.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Naemanson
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 02:51 PM

Mbo, try "gently" on some of those songs, especially the wilder ones, and see what you think. The nice thing about music is the ability to rearrange the pieces.

I believe the expression of strong emotions, like anger or heartbreak, is easy when you do it loudly and in-your-face. The mark of a truly great piece of music, and of the performer, is to express that same emotion quietly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 02:48 PM

I plead the 5th!


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 02:20 PM

OK Mbo, the questions now must be a) Do you consider such behaviour correct? b) do you understand why people may take a dim view of it? and c) do you think that a dislike of such traits makes people into old farts, unwilling to listen to new music?

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 02:12 PM

I don't know about any specific incidents, but at one time they were considered the most wild and unruly of performers when live. I quote from the liner notes from the album Shazam!: "...[They] adopt a wild stage act that was intended to rival The Who. They burned effigies on stage, smashed TV sets and set off fire alarms." No to mention Ace Kefford left the band because drummer Bev Bevan almost strangled him to death...


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 02:01 PM

You are likely to be right there Mbo - as I said before in this thread, it is my tolerence for the attitudes of bands (and some of their followers) that has decreased rather than (I think) my attidude towards the music they play but I still think my later view in life is the more correct one - perhaps you can persuade me otherwise.

Also, and I do not know the answer to this, were Move known for insulting their audience on stage?

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 01:34 PM

Hmmm, I don't know about gently, Brett! On the album they utilise the heck out of the brass section! Not to mention the orchestra is augmented with electric guitar, bass, and drum kit in addition to tympani! Woo! A Jon, you don't even want to hear the background stories I have about The Move!


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Naemanson
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 01:03 PM

One thing I have found is really cool is to hear good rock and roll played gently on acoustical instruments. I'm guessing that is what that album (The Royal Philaharmoic Orchestra Plays The Music of Oasis) proves. I've mentioned before my friends Mark and Marc who play old rock as a song circle (their own, they aren't horning in on a folk circle). It's really good and a lot of the people know the music so there is a lot of participation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 12:59 PM

... and inspite of my dissagreement with Mbo's reaction in this thread, I would be honoured to have him stop with me if he ever got to Wales and I would take him down the Folk Club to play Oasis songs (and preferably Move and even better Pogues songs". I don't really see the need to chill on this one and I would hope that Mbo can at least see where I am coming from.

Jon

(a 39 yr old who does have friends younger than Mbo)


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 12:47 PM

"Doesn't matter if it's out of tune, 'cause yer all cool!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: P05139
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 12:35 PM

I've got on word for everyone on this thread. This is it:-

CHILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 12:32 PM

I said it before but if you want Oasis whithout Oasis, Mbo on Hearme is a pleasant alternative.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 12:26 PM

If you want a good Oasis experiece without Oasis, check out the album The Royal Philaharmoic Orchestra Plays The Music of Oasis. Great orchestral arrangements of songs from their first two album. Noel own the album and loves it. I do too..."Supersonic" sounds it's best ever. For those who hate Oasis, this album is "I Can't Believe It's Oasis!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 12:11 PM

All fair comment Naemanson and I know that I for one still need to learn the skill of counting to 10. Having said that, I do worry about the degree of loyalty expressed by fans and the way they can get over excited and react because of it. This is not a music one and certainly there must have been other factors involved like the state of the attacker but I will never forget reading the report of someody getting thier jugular vein ripped out by a broken bottle (yes a murder) in a pub that I used occasionally for stating that he didn't like Manchester United. I guess that has coloured my opinions on blind devtion of fans and their reactins for life.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Naemanson
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 11:44 AM

Actually, Jon, I am surprised at some of the vituperation I have seen in this thread. Some of the comments were quite clearly intended to needle and poke at the fans. Others were more reasoned and full of insight (as opposed to incite). But when we are fans of someone we rush to protect them and see all negativecomments as attacks.

I guess my answer is that Mbo and the others, should not be surprised at the negativity but they are going to leap to the defense whenever possible. Remember that Mbo made the point (I think it was in this thread) that he sees this music as being a part of his soul. With that attitude he has every right to get up tight when the music is attacked. But he shouldn't be surprised either.

And none of us have a right to be abusive in speaking about our distaste of anything. We are, after all, speaking in public here. If we were standing face to face in a group of people we would not call each other names and shout abuse (at least I'd like to think so). We would be able to have a calm rational discussion of the good and bad points of the topic at hand.

But that is a problem for a different thread and it is one that can only be solved by individuals taking the time to count to 10 before they dash off an angry opinion or abusive derision.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 11:25 AM

Neamanson, I am in agreement with everything that you have written but would like to ask this.

Should people like Mbo be surprised that a band with that reputation attracts negative feedback from others, give them the rights to assume that all this negative feedback is attributably to people bieng old folkies who are too set in thier ways to consider other, particularly newer forms of music and to react to criticism of a band as a personal insult and suggest that the rest of us should "shut the hell up"?

That has been my only gripe in this thread.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Naemanson
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 11:12 AM

I prefer to think there behavior is a mix of the drugs, the fame, anger, and poor judgement. Drugs have been the cause of much misery down through the centuries and will continue to palgue us for more centuries to come. Use of drugs seems to be a symptom of unhappiness and fear. I can see how that would contribute to such behavior.

Fame is another contributor. Would I be wrong in guessing they started out fairly calm and things have gotten more and more out of control since the early days? Have audiences begun to expect them to act that way? If so are they serious or are they playing into the expectations? Are we seeing the self fulfilling prophecy?

I have already mentioned the anger evident in young people today. I would suggest that we were all angry in our youth. However, today's culture is less inhibiting. So today's young people get to show that anger much more clearly and openly. And bands like Oasis play into that anger and let their own anger show on stage and off. We are shocked at the behavior exhibited on that plane. Fans of the negative side of the band are thrilled and flock more readily to the concerts in hopes of seeing more.

Poor judgement is self explanatory.

The other question that comes up here is this: Should Mbo and the other Oasis fans boycott the band because of this behavior?

I don't think so. Such action would have no impact on the band and will not make those boycotting fans happy eaither. They can do much more good by enjoying the music and being vocal in their distaste for the actions of the band.

Please consider this. We have all met great performers whose personalities leave something to be desired. That does not change the quality of the performance. Oasis, oand other bands of their ilk, are merely an extreme example of this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 10:54 AM

Those guys from Oasis are anemic and weak... Why doesn't someone just slap 'em around when they act like that? I bet they'd quit in a hurry. If i'd have been on that plane... Muahaha... ;)

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 10:46 AM

Naemanson,

I would appear that Oasis have calmed down a little in public life and I believe that Liam has given up taking cocaine which has possilby helped but there behavoiur has in no way confined to insulting their audiences. I am not claiming that Oasis are unique in this but here are a couple of examples from the Daily Telegraph. Is it any wonder some of us (even those like myself who's assesment of there music is similar to yours) take a dim view of the band?

Feb '98

AN airline is to ban the pop group Oasis unless it receives guarantees of "adult behaviour" after the group turned an eight-hour flight into what one passenger called "an obscenity-filled hell".

Liam and Noel Gallagher were accompanied by the other three band members and 25 of their road crew on the Cathay Pacific flight from Hong Kong to Perth on Monday night.

They were accused of abusing fellow business-class passengers and cabin crew, excessive drinking, swearing, smoking despite a strict no-smoking ban and refusing to wear seat belts.

The captain twice entered the cabin to remonstrate with band members and ask them to stop standing on the seats. He threatened to divert the aircraft and kick them off the plane unless they behaved, a Cathay Pacific spokesman said. The airline would refuse to carry the group again without a guarantee of "adult behaviour", he said.

One passenger said she hoped that other airlines would also ban the group. "The travelling public should not have to put up with their disgusting behaviour," she said.

Dec 97 LIAM Gallagher, singer with the band Oasis, poured several drinks over a journalist's head last night in a confrontation in a hotel foyer.

Gallagher left other drinkers stunned when he approached ITN's Tim Rogers at the Jury's Hotel in Cardiff and, after a brief conversation, tipped the drinks over him before storming off.

The press had gathered to cover a performance by Gary Glitter at the city's International Arena, the singer's first since he was at the centre of child porn allegations last month. Oasis are due to play the venue this evening.

Mr Rogers, ITN's Wales and West Country correspondent, who had been sitting drinking tea and soft drinks with a cameraman, declined to comment on the incident.

Shortly afterwards, Gallagher left the hotel with two minders in a black Mercedes with tinted windows. Gallagher had earlier been warned by police after allegedly hurling a book over the balcony of an airport bar.

Officers ejected him and fellow members of Oasis, who are on a British tour, from the bar at Glasgow Airport a few minutes before they boarded a flight for Cardiff.

Oct 97

THE BBC apologised yesterday for an obscenity-riddled Radio 1 interview with Noel and Liam Gallagher of Oasis and promised an investigation into how it came to be broadcast.

A BBC spokesman said it had not expected Liam Gallagher, who has an explosive temper and a reputation for bad language, to accompany his brother to the studio for a chat with the disc jockey Steve Lamacq.

During the show, which went out live at 8pm on Thursday, the singer unleashed a stream of four-lettered abuse, largely directed at surviving members of the Beatles and the Rolling Stones.

With an aggression that the show's production team should have expected, Gallagher threatened to "beat the f*****g living daylight s*** out of them".

His brother, the band's songwriter, went on to court further controversy by calling for drugs to be legalised.

A BBC spokesman said yesterday it would be "reviewing the situation".

Far from apologising yesterday, Liam Gallagher lost his temper again outside his home in north London. According to journalists, he threatened to hit them unless they left. Asked about the Radio 1 interview he said: "I don't give a ****."

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 09:43 AM

Oh, you must have got some live performance I don't know about! Usually I'd stick with the album cuts. "Cigarettes & Alcohol" has one om favorite pump up choruses. Seems everyone hates Liam's voice, but I love it no matter what, and on this song (off the album Definately Maybe) his voice sounds the best, especially the crazy voice things he does that NO other band will do!

"You can spend a lifetiiime, to spend your days in the sooonshyyiiine--in the end it's a white, 'cause when it comes out on top--you gotta make it happen! You gotta make it happen! You gotta make it happen!"

Nothing like singing that before a big test, the "You gotta make it happen" is a mantra that works!


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Naemanson
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 08:49 AM

Re: the last comments by bob j. - Good for you Mbo!

I got a couple of songs downloaded. Actually my daughter did it one evening. I asked her to do it as I was on my way out the door with my girlfriend. No raised eyebrows, just bland acceptance. What is this generation coming to if you can't surprise them?

Now I'm back and alone again, alas permanently as far as my (now ex-) girlfriend is concerned. If I work at it I can get together enough interest in the world to carry on so I will listen to those cuts now. The cuts are Wonderwall and Cigarettes and Alcohol.

It's not bad. Some of the imagery is beyond me but musically it isn't bad. I like Wonderwall better because the accompaniment is simple and quiet. I have a problem these days distinguishing individual sounds in loud music and I'm losing the singer's voice in the rest of the music in Cigarettes and Alcohol. Actually I couldn't distinguish most of his words but that is a problem I have with rock bands in general anyway.

I certainly wouldn't shut off the radio if they were on. The music is exciting and fun. At the beginning of Cigarettes and Alcohol there was an instance of someone in the band calling someone else a dickhead. Is that the kind of thing the others are calling abusive treatment of an audience? The crowd seemed to enjoy it though I would imagine the person receiving the abuse may not have. Crowds are delicate things and dangerous. A change of mood can sweep through a group of people and things can turn very ugly very fast. Still, it is up to each audience member, knowing how an Oasis performance can go, to determine whether or not (s)he wants to participate.

Do these guys show up on the radio much? I would guess they do but I don't listen to commercial stations much anymore. It has little to do with the music and more to do with my annoyance at the commercials exhorting me to BUY! BUY! BUY! They seem to think I'm pretty stupid but that is a whole different discussion.

Bottom line – I don't see what all the fuss is about. Why do the people who hate the band get so abusive about it? Are they auditioning to join the band as members of the Audience Abuse Squad? I'm sorry I can't tell you, Mbo, that I swoon with delight when I hear their music but at the same time I don't think they are bad. They're just another rock band and the singer is "Just a singer in a rock and roll band…" (Moody Blues). It takes a more discerning ear than mine to pick out the details that makes someone think they are great.

Thanks for the chance to hear your side Mbo. Now, if those who hate the band would like to give me details as to what is wrong with this band, in a quiet, contemplative style without the abuse and invective, I would appreciate it. There is no need to get abusive about this. We can discuss this like adults.

Who is next?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 12:16 AM

Bob, I don't really care anymore. Get off my case and go complain to someone else who cares.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: bob jr
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 12:08 AM

boy this thread got alot of stupid comments added to it in a hurry for instance oasis better than the beatles? um that just dont work for lots of reasons ,first off without the beatles (remeber it was george harrisons movie soundtrack album that give these dingbats the title to their only hit over on this side of the pond "wonderwall") the beatles were of their time and place but their impact cant be measured by todays standards,i mean how many acts have held all 5 top positions in the billboard chart at once? (if you guessed noone else you would have been right).the beatles didnt become less popular when they retired from touring they became increasingly popular until they disbanded(at least in terms of album sales,their biggest selling single was 1968's hey jude). the beatles made the front page of the paper where ever they went (something you cant say about oasis the comparision is just so stupid i cant be bothered to continue with it i mean if you are dumb enough not to understand the huge cultural and musical impact of the beatles versus any other band you can name then you might as well keep your head up your ass) oh and mbo for much more interesting chord changes may i suggest the source ( the beatles) rather than the imitators (hey that oasis song sounds like choose whatever beatle song fill in the blank) for just one rather fine example the ending of the verse of "i'm so tired" a eaug5th f#minor dminor (listen to the gorgeous melody lennon layers over those chords!!! )


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: death by whisky
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 10:22 PM

Show me a mnokey that can play a three chord trick.

Status Quo have their place.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 10:20 PM

No offence taked Lep! Well, for one thing Oasis tends to use certain chords a lot, so I think it teaches beginners new chords other than the usual basic things. Favorite "Oasis chords" are: Em7, Cadd9, Dsus2, Asus4, Bsus4, and not to mention various chords with added basslines and variations. Keeps you on yer toes!

They also use a lot of interest arpeggios that sound really cool, and when you learn them, it's tons of fun because YOU can play them now and they sound ever MORE cool!

--Matt


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 10:01 PM

DBW, you mean the young people might think, "Wow, that music by Oasis or Robbie Williams sounds so simple and easy to play! A monkey could do it!"

---Lepus Rex

Ah, and I'm joking, Mbo, so don't get all pissed off again;)


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: death by whisky
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 09:47 PM

Any group/performer ,Oasis,Robbie Williams(especially the Slaine gig),that encourages young people to learn an instrument,usually a guitar,, is O.K.by me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 09:07 PM

Sometimes Oasis does it themselves, Kevin. For instance, their song "Fade Away" is a speed demon punk song, but with a message. For the Help! War Children of Sarajevo benefit album, they slowed the song down beautifully, turned it acoustic, added a woman's voice to their 2, turned the C#m's into Amaj7's and it becomes a thing of beauty. "The dreams we had as children fade away..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 08:56 PM

"I never was and never will be a folkie. I am a person who loves all kinds of music. Folk just happens to be one of them."

If a folkie is someone who only likes music they can call folk music, I've never been one either. If a folkie is someone who passionately loves some kinds of traditional and traditional music, then I am one - and so is Mbo, I fear.

It's like the distinction between a patriot being someone who only loves their own country, and despises the rest of the world, and a patriot being someone who loves their own country and at the same time respects the rest of the world and wants other people to love wherever they come from.

Oasis sounded pretty good to me, the last time I listened to them. I'd like to hear some of the songs heard by other people with different styles, and I think that would help people listen to the Oasis versions with more understanding. (As when Christy Moore did his version of the Pogues "Fairytale of New York".)


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Shamrock
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 08:07 PM

A review of their last album contained the following " Finally, Oasis have run out of other peoples ideas ". A bit harsh, but possibly true. I love them anyway. Better than the Beatles ? Definitely !!


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 07:13 PM

"I didn't come here because I was a folkie. I never was and never will be a folkie."

"Why don't you all just shut the hell up? Give me Oasis over any of your folk/blues stuff anyday".

...so why DOES Mbo (and others who prefer pop/rock/SS) come here?
there was an old Mutt & Jeff cartoon...Li'l Jeff is on his hands & knees under a streetlight, and Mutt asks him what he is doing...Jeff says "I lost a silver dollar" Mutt gets down and helps him look for awhile...then asks "Are you sure you lost it around here?" ..."No", says Jeff,"I lost it down in the middle of the block"..."Then why are you looking HERE?", asks Mutt...."Oh", says Jeff, the lights much better here."

sounds like the best metaphor I can find...The Mudcat is a forum with more bells & whistles than ANYPLACE...makes no difference if our general purpose is "folk & blues"....."the light's better here"


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