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Subject: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 09:04 AM

Check out this article from today's Washington Post - http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/style/news/A55908-2000Aug8.html - Oasis again forced off the stage by thrown bottles etc - whazzup, here? Mbo?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 11:41 AM

Hey, I'd probably pay ticketbastard prices to heave rocks at them.... but that's just me...

{~`


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Max
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 12:07 PM

They stink.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 12:35 PM

Oh that's objective Max!

LOL!!!!

Wish I stunk so much I had their money!


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 01:35 PM

Oh goodie, just what I needed first thing in the morning, an Oasis bashing thread. Why don't you all just shut the hell up? Give me Oasis over any of your folk/blues stuff anyday. Think I'll kick this place in the dumper and head over the the Oasis mailing list.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: bob jr
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 01:58 PM

yeah oasis is better than all folk/blues artists combined right mbo? you will grow up to find out how very wrong your are but hey enjoy your youth thats what it is there for! by the way oasis do suck they are the most derivative bunch of crud to come out of england for quite some time and that is saying something. now when it comes to beatles rip off bands i just stick with badfinger now that was an interesting story (two suicides and a manager who ran off with all their money sheesh if only the gallagher twits would follow badfingers lead)


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:18 PM

Go folk yourself binkybob. How would you know "wrong" and "crud" when you don't even know what punctuation is, or the Shift key for that matter? F***ing nipples, all of you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: SeanM
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:23 PM

Woohoo! Oasis flame war!

For the record, I hate 'em. Something about the singer's voice hits a nerve in my head and I get a screaming headache after about 3 songs - it's kinda hard to get an objective opinion in that case.

HOWEVER, why flame them? They do their thing. A LOT of people like them. They're decreasing in "popularity" as the trends in pop music shift away from them, and soon they'll be left with the hardcore fans and whatever verdict history gives them. Live and let live, and let's flame someone worthwhile. Christina Aguillera, for example.

M


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:27 PM

Aw c'mon Sean.........Howabout Brittney Spears? A true talent whose abilities span the spectrum from A to B.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: SeanM
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:27 PM

Unless the idea is just to get Mbo revved up... in which case...

Hey, everyone, I think [insert band/singer/musician/trained monkey] really has lost it. I mean, they're [killing/reinventing/painting Monet's lost masterpiece all over] music as we know it. Seriously! [band/singer/musician/favorite brand of snack cake] is the end of [pop/folk/pubic hair fiddle] music as we know it.

Anyone care to add? Then we can just figure out who likes what band and start plugging in names...

M


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: SeanM
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:28 PM

'Spaw...

Friend of mine and I have a phrase for all the Brittneys, N'Syncs and all of the world...

"My, that song must have great choreography"

Kinda said it all to us...

M


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:40 PM

Mbo, all I asked was what was up. I figured you'd know. I didn't know that asking what is up with a band is tantamount to being a nipple, or whatever. I don't know them from a hole in the ground. So this was NOT created as an Oasis-bashing, Mbo's taste-bashing, or anything-else-bashing thread. It just happens that the first few people to answer weren't you. It also happens that they hate your favorite band. Whom I am, indeed, looking forward to experiencing, especially after this thread! Whoo boy! See you the day after tomorrow, if you're still talking to me...


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:46 PM

I'm supposing "that singer" you would be refering to would be Liam. If you had any sort of curiousity at all, you'd try to understand them. Not every song is a blistering rocker with Liam singing lead. Delve into their lesser known songs, their tons of acoustic ones, and the soft mellow voice of Liam's brother Noel. You think you know so much because of 3 of their songs you've heard on the radio. What in the hell are you folkies doing listening to the radio anyway? You should be out playing folk festivals so all the whiners shut their bleeding mouths.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Morticia
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:52 PM

Actually, I quite like them and own a couple of their albums......so bite me. Seems to me from the Most Embarrasing Album Thread that most of us have some stuff in our collection that we are bit squeamish about now.......tastes change.....so do people.......so what? BTW, Mrrzy, I don't know what the problem is either, hoped Mbo could shed a little light on it too.....guess he's too busy being mad at everybody.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:54 PM

Nothing to get so worked up about, Mbo. So they hate your favourite band? So I hate your favourite band? I can probably guarantee that over 99% of Mudcatters would hate GWAR, but I couldn't care less. There's no reason to insult people over a band that wouldn't care if you lived or died.

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Max
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:55 PM

Ya gotta love the Mbo's tenacity huh?

Oasis and The Smashing Pumpkins both use the same technique when playing live concerts. They apparently feed off of negative energy so they insult the crowds with anything they can and get the crowd all riled up. They love this. When you read about these things, they did it on purpose and loved every minute of it. I am sure they would be as pleased as punch if a riot broke out killing hundreds. I think they might be trying to break the record for concert deaths, recently set by Pearl Jam in Germany.

I really get offended with such behavior, so I often form strong, negative opinions of bands that enjoy and perpetuate such negativity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:55 PM

Mbo, I like you but there are times when I feel that you demonstrate a similar level of immaturity to Liam Gallagher.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: death by whisky
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:57 PM

.I like Oasis.They are a band that play,yes,play instruments and perform live.O.K,so theres a couple of Beatle sounding riffs there.Big deal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Noreen
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 03:12 PM

Cool it, Matty- no-one's getting at you!


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 03:13 PM

The reason they got bottles thrown at them is because they like to drink beer and insult people. Sound familiar Clint, Max...? As for being happy they people die at their concerts, I think that a horrible thing to say. People have been killed at No Doubt and Grand Funk concerts, and I don't remember them ever thriving off negative energy. And I suppose we should ban World Cup soccer too, because people get killed there too. Bedamn such a sport that thrives on negative energy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Roger in Sheffield
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 03:22 PM

Never liked Liams vocals but Noels stuff is Ok
And they are still so much better than Robbie Williams and sickly Miss Brittany Spears
Roger


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 03:30 PM

Max, I sent you my tape. Take some time to listen to Side 2, song #4. Tell me if it stinks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 03:38 PM

SO, Mbo, I guess you ARE still talking to me?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 04:22 PM

just leave Robbie Williams out of it -Pete at our folk club does a wonderful version of Angels. Mbo- you have to realise that when some of us get to a certain age -all that music you young people play sounds like senseless drivel

I am sure Noel and Liam are perfectly nice boys when the drugs wear off -otherwise why would that nice Patsy Kensit have married Liam ?-- errr...and then divorced him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Amergin
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 04:27 PM

Hey, Mbo, this is bloody rich you getting pissed off at folks because they don't like your band....If I heard them chances are I wouldn't like them either.....You need to get out of your mommy and daddy's house and GROW THE FUCK UP!!!! I know this hasn't been the first time I've said this, but then no one ever listens to me anyways....

Amergin


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 04:43 PM

Well geez 'Gin....I listen.

I remember being young far too well and the world was young and new and everything was exciting and different and a new challenge, a new opportunity. As we age we tend to focus in more on what we like and make less time for trying out new stuff. Some things are finite. Time is limited.

As to Oasis, before I heard them, I heard ABOUT them and what I heard I didn't like....so I gave them a pass. We don't have to like the politics or personalities of our favorite people and performers, but when I hear things first....well, I'm human and it colors my judgement. There are too many things that I want to listen to and have trouble getting around to already. Often, I rely on Karen to keep me "up" on pop as she drives 2 hours a day and listens.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Brakn
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 05:24 PM

Find a Beatles songbook, think up two words that rhyme, whinge a bit and hey presto, you're a songwriter. Bollix.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 06:09 PM

'tis truly an amazing thing when insulting the audience and dodging bottles becomes part of the ....ahem...'music'.... I can't say I EVER went to a concert where one even wondered if there would be riots and/or injury & deaths involved.

Ah, well...different strokes for different 'folks', huh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 06:43 PM

Oasis is a great band, and their music is more positive than most; these days... Bashing a member of the generation following yours is stupid. The tendency to do this stems from the payback motive created by mean parents, and the disgusting competitive thing "I finally got mine" that older generations do...
Mbo is honest about what he likes, and if any of you were really open, you would have to admit that you listened to some horrid stuff at some stage,... and Oasis is sooo much better than the misogynist suicidal acid schlock that was popular for far too long!

I must add, however, that Wonderwall is a fine song,...

I am just not there any more. With hundreds of teen angst shows under my belt, and hundreds of thousands of hours of ear splitting 'sessions', I have moved to the quiet town of my folk roots, and I am so much happier for it! AAAAAH!


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Branwen23
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 07:20 PM

Temper, temper, Mbo... looks to me like somebody needs a nap....

-Branwen-


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 07:27 PM

Just goes to show--don't get on the wrong side of a red-headed Oasis megafan. The Swamp Song for all of you! Weeee!


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Branwen23
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 07:30 PM

Just kidding with you, Mbo.... I have sort of a problem with "band-bashing" (or anyone-bashing) threads in general.... seems kind of pointless to me. Everyone should just listen to the music they like and leave other people alone....

-Branwen-


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 07:45 PM

Thanks goodness there's someone else out there to help me stick up for modern music. BTW your Oasis tape is done (I was listening to it in the car today) And I'll send it out next Wednesday.

--Matt


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Quincy
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 08:14 PM

I was just thinking that there are a few songs by Oasis that could apply quite nicely to a thread that might annoy us.......
"Some might say" "You gotta roll with it" and "Don't look back in anger!!!!"

--Yvonne


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 08:23 PM

YES YVONNE!!! Good one! Don't matter if it's outta tune, cos yer all cool!


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Branwen23
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 08:37 PM

Thanks, Matt... I'll get your cd done tomorrow... or would you prefer a tape?

-Branwen-


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 08:42 PM

Whatever you find easier Bran. CD is fine, I just do stuff on tape, cause as I said, I'm technologically lacking...


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Branwen23
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 08:47 PM

that's okay, Mbo.... we'll bring you into the 21st century yet....


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: RWilhelm
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 12:44 AM

I wonder if they ever discuss folk on the MTV page.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Callie
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 12:56 AM

I don't know a thing about Oasis - I've only heard the music and it sounds good to me. Hell - unplugged, they could probably pass as modern folk to the unsuspecting.

Why don't you old fogeys lay off Mbo? Listen to yourselves - "you young people with your loud music..." Next you're going to say you fought in the war!

Callie (All music can be good music!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 01:02 AM

Didn't there used to be a folk/blues site called Mudcat around here somewhere???

Mbo, try a bran muffin... Just because someone criticises something you happen to like, it is not a criticisim of YOU!

Different people like differnt things... accept it... EVERYONE!

Mudcat needs that bran muffin WAAAY more than Mbo does... No wonder membership is dropping like acid at woodstock...

And Mbo? If you don't want to discuss folk/blues music, then why are you here in the first place???

I'm curious to hear your take...


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 01:27 AM

Because I know a lot about music and I like helping people. I didn't come here because I was a folkie. I never was and never will be a folkie. I am a person who loves all kinds of music. Folk just happens to be one of them. I don't care much for modern folk (!) or American stuff. I like Celtic (dare I use the term?) music, whether it be traditional or modern compositions. I DO NOT let any one style of music eclipse the others.

I don't care about all this malarkey about only good music is folk or has folk roots. If it sounds good to me, I like it. I don't give a dingo's kidney if it's commercialized or corporate or whatever. I, unlike most folkies, do not have this obsession with money, that any one who makes money from music they play are evil, and aren't we so great poor people singing our folk music that no one likes and we're so great cuz all we care about it the music and not the money? Please, spare me. To quote Doyle, "I play the game, for the game's own sake."

I like music, period. That's why I'm here. And Clint, in my condition, bran is the LAST thing I need.

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Wesley S
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 09:17 AM

What I want to complain about is Spaws totally unjust views about Brittany Spears. Spaw - one look at her will tell you that her talent does NOT run the gamet from A to B. You should be able to see that it runs from A to DD. Look closer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 09:25 AM

Obviously its the old age......I haven't kept abreast of developments on the Spears front......so to speak.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 01:12 PM

Thanks for clearing that up for me Mbo... Now I know why someone who whails so is at a folk/blues MB...

I'm beginning to think the whole damn Mudcat could use that bran muffin though!


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: bob jr
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 12:56 AM

mbo sounds more like you need a pacifier for the record oasis suck


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 01:15 AM

Then give me an official Oasis Pacifier anyday! SUCK SUCK SUCK!


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 04:18 AM

Ey! I saw dat bit about de tape bein' ready. I 'ave fot tell ya dat I don't fink much ov me mates Liam and Noel bein' ripped off like. We'll get the Salford lads to come an stamp ya.

Sorted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Naemanson
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 07:35 AM

Gee Mrrzy, did you ever get an answer to your question? Did you think it would cause such a flame war?

Mbo, I am not familiar with Oasis. What cuts would you suggest I download to hear what you hear when you listen to them. As I have said elsewhere my interest in rock has waned considerably but there are times when I need my fix. Last night I had Queen and The Who cranked on my stereo. So give over and let me know what is a good taste of this band. PM me if you figure your answer will spark more of this stupid stuff.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 10:50 AM

Naemanson, given that Oasis are a controversial group who thrive on insulting their audience and have things like getting band from Cathay Pacific airlines for abusing other passengers, standing on seats, etc it is hardly surprising that this thread (why did some audience members throw things at them) attracted some negative feedback.

What is surprising is that Mbo knowing the band's reputation should read the first 3 posts and say "Why don't you all just shut the hell up? Give me Oasis over any of your folk/blues stuff anyday". Please re-read the thread.

Jon


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