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Naemanson 05 Aug 00 - 10:16 AM
Rick Fielding 05 Aug 00 - 10:39 AM
GUEST,Joe Seale 05 Aug 00 - 11:27 AM
catspaw49 05 Aug 00 - 11:33 AM
Naemanson 05 Aug 00 - 02:37 PM
DonMeixner 05 Aug 00 - 03:28 PM
Rick Fielding 05 Aug 00 - 09:55 PM
Paul Mills 06 Aug 00 - 12:20 AM
CamiSu 06 Aug 00 - 12:27 AM
Clinton Hammond2 06 Aug 00 - 05:59 AM
Naemanson 06 Aug 00 - 09:43 AM
black walnut 06 Aug 00 - 09:49 AM
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Subject: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: Naemanson
Date: 05 Aug 00 - 10:16 AM

I just heard an interview with Paul Mills on National Public Radio. They were talking about the Stan Rogers Revue currently playing in Montreal or Toronto(?). The interview featured cuts of his music and stories told by Paul Mills.

Hearing them talk reminded me of the day I learned of his death. I had only recently rediscovered folk music and was getting into it in a big way. And Stan Rogers was a big part of that rediscovery. I was busy learning everything he had recorded. It was an exciting time in my life.

Then, one day, the DJ at WRIU, who had been playing several of Stan's songs, announced that he was celebrating the first anniversary of Stan's death. I sat on my bed and cried without shame.

Even today I feel the grief. Some of his songs have touched me more deeply than any other singer's work. I have used his music is many different formats and venues and will always hold it close to my heart.


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 05 Aug 00 - 10:39 AM

Just listened to that myself Naemanson. Good show. Heather and I saw "A Matter of heart" a few days ago and really enjoyed it. I'm a bit of a folk snob at times, and wasn't sure that stage performers would do justice to Stan's music, but I checked my predjudices at the door and had a great time. We had some guests from Rochester over last night (on their honeymoon) and they're heading off to the show tonight.

(Mudcatter) Paul talked on the NPR show about "raising Stan's guitar" at the end, and what an emotional moment that was...He ain't kidding. Mr. "Wise crack" here, was quite affected.

Rick


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From: GUEST,Joe Seale
Date: 05 Aug 00 - 11:27 AM

Hi, Naemanson and Rick Fielding. I was also tuned in to NPR. I had lost track of Stan Rogers' identity. A good friend of mine, Avery Johnson, of Milford, NH, once played the album with the Mary Ellen Carter song, as Avery's way of telling me that he often felt no need to go out to hear music, when he could bring that sort of music into his house on records -- that was before CDs took over recording. Avery died about twelve years ago, and one of the strong links to my memory of him has been the sound of that song. When I turned on the radio and heard Stan Rogers' voice, I knew the voice immediately as the one Avery had loved, even on an unfamiliar song and before they had said his name. Now I know who he is and how to find that album, and along the way, how relive a bit of an evening with Avery.

Joe


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Aug 00 - 11:33 AM

Just out of curiosity here.....Do either of you know of any plans for a states production? Are they filming it for any kind of special or anything? Making a videotape? I've heard a couple of blurbs on radio about it, but they never say anything else. I haven't looked for web info though....hmmm.....In the meantime, anybody got anything on this as far as future plans go?

Spaw

(Say, didn't he die of smoking? [running like hell and ducking the bigger chunks])


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: Naemanson
Date: 05 Aug 00 - 02:37 PM

How could you say such a thing! Only spaw would...

Never mind...

Naemanson (throwingthelargestchunkshecangethishandson)


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: DonMeixner
Date: 05 Aug 00 - 03:28 PM

I listen to this show with my son Greg. We were off to the car parts store. He said "I had no idea those were Stan's songs." When I left to do other errands today, Greg was listening to Northwest Passage. There is hope for the you metalhead yet.

Don


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 05 Aug 00 - 09:55 PM

There's a "Cast Album" from the show, but I don't know off hand how you'd order it. It might not be everyone's cup of tea, but the choice of songs is spot on and the singing is skillful to the max. (did I just say "to the max"?)

Rick


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: Paul Mills
Date: 06 Aug 00 - 12:20 AM

It's been a while since I dipped into the mudcat universe but Rick told me there was a "Stan" thread going on so I thought I'd better check in again. Glad I did.

I just got in from doing another evening's performance of "A Matter of Heart". We had a fabulous audience and the show went over great. I'm proud to be part of this tribute to my old friend and I'm sure it will live on for years to come.

Responding to Spaw's query, there are currently no plans to bring the show "stateside" but ya never know. The next incarnation of the show will likely be in Halifax, Nova Scotia. The CBC has been sniffing around but nothing definate yet. If they end up doing a special or something, it could get aired in the USA but that will be a year or two down the road.

Rick mentioned the cast album. It and info about the show can be had on Stan's official website at www.stanrogers.net

It was fun doing the NPR show. Glad it brought back good memories for some folks.

Cheers,

Paul


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: CamiSu
Date: 06 Aug 00 - 12:27 AM

If you want to listen (in case you missed it) go here http://search.npr.org/cf/cmn/cmnpd01fm.cfm?PrgDate=08/05/2000&PrgID=7

it didn't come out blue clicky but if you highlight it and copy to the address area and press enter it should work (now watch it be blue when I post this....)


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 06 Aug 00 - 05:59 AM

And I come away from this wondering the same thing I wonder after the Stan Rogers Festival... Where the hell is Garnet... Or is he a little too 'real' about the whole thing for this stuff, this level of "Elvisisation"???

"They lost sight of you as your legends grown
But this road and I, we remember..."



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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: Naemanson
Date: 06 Aug 00 - 09:43 AM

Clinton, I worry about "Elvissation" for a lot of the performers who have left us. Unfortunately that is something we have to put up with in this world. Each person shows his love of a performer in his or her own way.

For me, it is enough that I have Stan's songs to share with others. It is a thrill when I get to share an evening of music with some of my Canadian friends and they all know these songs. His contribution to Canadian identity cannot be questioned.

(For those who wonder at that statement you should realize that growing up in The Valley in Northern Maine causes a form of identity crisis. You feel both Canadian and United Statesian. At least I do. Perhaps it's that we only got two commercial TV stations up there in the age before cable and sattelite dishes. One of them was CBS and the other was CHSJ out of Saint John, New Brunswick. And, trust me, CHSJ had the better programming.)

Anyway, the Stan Rogers Festival, if I understand it right, should feature a wide range of performers gathered together in Stan's name to celebrate Canada and music in whatever order they so desire. And if Garnet chooses not to go, for whatever reason, then so be it. He has no obligation to stand up in Stan's name every year and say thank you. No blame should be attached to that. I'm sure he feels his loss very deeply and fulfills his obligation to his brother in ways we cannot see and may not understand (and do not need to see and understand).

Thanks, Paul, for your contribution to this thread. It's nice to hear from the people who knew the man behind the legend. If people would concentrate more on the man and leave the legend alone I feel the songs would have more power behind them. It's easy to see a "legend" writing those songs. It brings the music more into focus to know that a fallable human brought that music into being.


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: black walnut
Date: 06 Aug 00 - 09:49 AM

The show was great, Paul! Even my 2 teenagers, who like to say that they don't like folk music, (rebelling because it is their mother's passion), absolutely loved the show, and were laughing and clapping and in awe along with the rest of us. I was thinking A Matter of Heart should go to the Maritimes, and I'm so pleased to hear it will be going to Halifax.

~black walnut


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: catspaw49
Date: 06 Aug 00 - 12:12 PM

Thanks Paul for some real "horse's mouth" info on the future of the production. From all reports, it seem to be a must see and I hope someone picks it up as a specia; for PBS or something.

And I appreciate the fact you didn't hurl large chunks in my direction for a bad joke. They're the only kind I have.

Again, thanks for the info.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: Naemanson
Date: 06 Aug 00 - 02:17 PM

Aw 'Spaw, I was just getting into the spirit of the thing. The biggest chunks I have to throw around here are the jello molds.


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: GUEST,Dr Michael Williams
Date: 06 Aug 00 - 04:18 PM

I came across this thread while looking for something else and was pleasantly affected by the warmth with which Stan is still regarded. It was back in Hamilton Ontario in 1972 during a torrential downpour that I picked up a poor hitch-hiker standing there like a storm-bent pine tree. I noticed the guitar and took pity on him. He told me he was on his way to a gig at a place called Campbell's Coffee House. I had vaguely heard of the place and agreed to take him there. During the half-hour ride he spun me some tales about his travels and musician friends. When we arrived he invited me to be his guest as a way of saying thanks for getting him there on time. It was my first experience of coffee houses and it literally changed my life. Later, Stan suggested I get to London Ontario some day where there was a real hive of singer-songwriters. Well, to make a long story short, I did move there on his advice about a year later. I called Stan up (he even remembered our meeting) and he directed me to Smales Pace, the coffee house he had told me about earlier. I found the place, walked in and within 10 minutes found myself a job washing windows, dishes, the floor and other general duties. That was to begin a relationship with Smales Pace, Stan and other musicians which has lasted years, many of whom are still good friends to this day. Like many of you, I too was shattered by the news of Stan's unfortunate death. I won't forget him--not just because of the many great songs he wrote, but for being there in the rain on that night so long ago. Little did he or I know then that our meeting would change the direction of my life. Today, I live in Scotland and still perform--and everytime I sing one of Stan's songs, it always has a special meaning for me. Thanks for your memories and for remembering a good friend. I look forward to visiting Mudcat more often in the future. Cheers, Michael Williams michael.williams1@virgin.net


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 06 Aug 00 - 06:25 PM

Great story Michael. One of my little disappointments always has been that I never got to London in the early days to hear some of that wonderful music.

Years after the fact I was given an album called "Lazarus". To this day I'm still amazed at the effect it has on me, lyricwise, tunes, and production. I know it was conceived by some of the folks from the London "scene".

Rick


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: Naemanson
Date: 06 Aug 00 - 10:48 PM

Thanks for your story, Michael. As I said above I have only known his music and that is enough for me. His White Squall reminds me, every time I sing it, of my own friend lost overboard in 1974. The Field Behind The Plow reminds me of working in the potato fields back home in The County. Many of the others have a similar effect on me.


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: Paul Mills
Date: 06 Aug 00 - 10:57 PM

The London scene was certainly amazing in retrospect, although none of us had any clue at the time that it was anything special. It all centered around this little coffee house called "Smales Pace", an unassuming venue operated by John Smale and frequented by a number of aspiring singer-songwriters who would later move on to greater things - among them, David Essig, David Bradstreet, Willie P. Bennett and, of course, Stan Rogers.

The album I think Rick is referring to was by the group "Lazarus" which was produced by Peter Yarrow and featured a trio of musicians who later became connected to the London scene. They included Bill Hughes and Karl Kesee who hooked up with David Bradstreet to perform during the mid-seventies.

There was a real community centered in London in those years - the kind that nurtured us as we were exploring our art. The fact that so many successful artists emerged from that community is a powerful testiment to its importance, I guess.

Cheers,

Paul


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 06 Aug 00 - 11:20 PM

I would urge catters to try and hunt down recordings of Willie P Bennett. He won a Juno award last year for a CD entitled "Heartstrings" that I was priveleged to play on. Great and quirky songwriter. One of the better groups in Canada named themselves after one of his songs.."Blackie And The Rodeo Kings".

Rick


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: Paul Mills
Date: 06 Aug 00 - 11:24 PM

"Juno" is like a "Grammy" eh?

Paul


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: Big Mick
Date: 06 Aug 00 - 11:35 PM

Michael, you may be a newcomer, but you have given us one of the great Mudcat stories. May I offer you a Big Mick Mudcat welcome? You will love and hate this place.........and you will keep coming back again and again. And we are the better for that. Thanks for sharing a story that I will repeat.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: Paul Mills
Date: 06 Aug 00 - 11:36 PM

"Juno" is like a "Grammy" eh?

Paul


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: black walnut
Date: 07 Aug 00 - 11:00 AM

all the while that wonderful folk stuff was happening at 'smale's pace', i was up at the other end of the street earning a classical music degree, and missed it all.

i performed on flute at the coffee house one evening, as half of a classical guitar/flute duo, after it had turned into the 'change of pace'.

sigh....

~'nut


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 07 Aug 00 - 11:46 AM

Say Paul, aren't some of those shiny metal records on your wall connected to Junos as well, eh?

In case two of the other names mentioned a few posts ago are unfamiliar, I thought I'd let folks know that David Essig is a long time eclectic Canadian musician and songwriter. He tours, but I believe he's more likely to be found in the Orient than in the States. He synthesizes a lot of styles in a very interesting way. Bradstreet has been a consistantly good songwriter since I was in Art School. Once again I wish I could instantly "blue clicky" you to these artists albums and info, but I'm still a phillistine when it comes to computers.

Rick


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: GUEST,dgrovgs@sia.net.au
Date: 21 Apr 01 - 06:54 PM

Hello, folks, I'm a folk music lover from Sydney Australia. I only discovered Stan Rogers via a community radio folk program several years after he'd passed away. I haven't yet been able to purchase any of his recordings here in Sydney, but I really love his music. I'm looking for sites specific to Stan Rogers and his music, having detailed biographical information. Does anyone out in cyberspace know of any such sites. If so, please e-mail me. Cheers Diana Groves


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: gnu
Date: 21 Apr 01 - 07:31 PM

Fogarty's Cove & Cole Harbour Music Ltd. 23 Hillside Ave. S. Dundas, Ontario, Canada LH9 4H7

This address will put you in touch with Stan's widow. She is a lovely woman and will be able to supply you with all you wish.


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: Amergin
Date: 21 Apr 01 - 08:22 PM

I just picked up a live album of his from a concert in Halifax....purely wonderful stuff....I have heard his songs being sung by others....but never by him before....


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: GUEST,chrismills@home.com
Date: 21 Apr 01 - 11:55 PM

I was just looking for the dates of the People's Music Network summer gathering this year when I noticed the thread about Stan Rogers. I lived in London and Hamilton during the years when he was around but never did see him perform live, and I really had no idea that he was any more than a local/regional artist. When he died, I saw the news in the paper but I didn't hear any discussion about it --no one I knew was familiar with his music. Anyway, a year later I was at the PMN/SFS gathering and someone before me in the round robin sang "The Mary Ellen Carter." I still get shivers when I remember the moment when he got to the chorus and hundreds of voices joined in. Not just because of the incredible harmonies (though they WERE amazing!), but because of the fact that hundreds of people in another country knew every word of the song and what that said about his musical impact and the magnitude of his loss. Was thrilled to see a posting from Jean Ritchie, who was at Mariposa in 1969 and kindly advised me on choosing a dulcimer. Following her advice, I got a wonderful one from Homer Ledford and enjoyed it for years before selling it, in a particularly poverty-stricken phase. I have since been in touch with Mr. Ledford again and hope to make a trip down to Winchester sometime not too far away to pick out another one. This is my first visit -- will definitely look in again. TTFN, Chris


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: balladeer
Date: 22 Apr 01 - 01:16 AM

Hi, all: For anyone who's interested, and doesn't already know, A Matter of Heart is playing the Charlottetown festival on Prince Edward Island this summer.


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Subject: RE: BS: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: CRANKY YANKEE
Date: 22 Apr 01 - 02:44 AM

Just for openers, Do any of you know who Mary Ellen Carter was? I know of one. Donna (Ma Fazoo) who has always been interested in the supernatural, Looked up from the book she was reading and said, "Mary Ellen Carter wrote a biography of Edgar Cayce, look!" She handed me the book and, sure enough it was Edgar Cayce's biography and it was written by Mary Ellen Carter. Do any of you know if this is the Mary Ellen Carter for whom the boat was named?

second subject: I usually don't listen to other singer's records unless I'm learning a song ,
(Yeah! Yeah!, who does he think he is? Right?)
Sometimes I'll listen to old timers, like Dave Macon, Jimmy Rogers or Leadbelly when I'm driving. But, I very very seldom listen to new performers. However, I used to listen to Stan Rogers all the time. I'll tell you how god I think he was. Some of the lyrics on Stan's records have glaring inaccuracies (I don't care if I did spell it wrong) in Nautical stuff. For instance, In Rolling Down to Old Maui, A taught ship does not have a sprung mast. It is possible for a tight ship (one that doesn't leak too much) to have things wrong with it's rigging but a TAUGHT ship's rigging, masts spars.\, etc are in perfect working order. The term derives from "Taught standing rigging" the Shrouds and stays are "Taught". As far as I know there's no such thing as "Studdingsail Bones" OStu'n's'l Bones) There are Studdingsil booms, of course. And, there are no chains in the "Mizzen Chains" for the Captain of the Nightingale (fine man that he was) to become entangled in. The mIZZEN "cHAINS" are the "Chain plates" , Heavy strips of metal tha are bolted to the hull and to which the standing rigging is anchored. The term, "Chain Plates" is a contraction of "Chain-wale plates". The Chain wale is a measurement on the ships plans. Now here's what I'm getting at. If any other writer or singer makes mistakes such as these, I stop listening to him and/or reading his stuff. (Stan Hughill, for instance) STAN ROGERS, HOWEVER, WAS SUCH A GOOD POET AND SINGER, THAT I COMPLETELY IGNORE ANY TECHNICAL FAULTS IN HIS STUFF. wHEN I LISTEN TO HIS RECORDS, HIS ARTISTRY FAR OUTWEIGHS ANY OTHER CONSIDERATION. aND, WHEN i sing his stuff, I simply make a change here and there, Studdingsail Booms for instance (I don't sing the verse about the sprung mast anyway.) and the Mizzen Chains becomes the "Chain locker". So There. I bet you thaught I was going to say something nasty about Stan. Not a chance. He was an inspiring man, and when I heard he was dead, I too cried like a baby. I was helping with the maintenance at Emmanuel Episcopal Church in Newport, buffing the kitchen floor, I turned off the buffer, went into the Church and asked God what the hell he thought he was doing. Donna made the comment that she thought God might be a rookie. Of course I didn't get an immediate answer./ But, maybe I did,because, upon reflection later that evening, it occurred to me that maybe the way in which he died, his heroism, put a lot more weight to, "The House of Orange".
In stead of all these "Memorials" I think that we folk singers should find a way to point out to Her Majesty Queen Elizebeth, that under wartime conditions, had Stan been in the military, there almost certainly would have been some consideration for awarding him the VC, or, in my country the Congressional Medal of Honor., and that maybe he should get some official recognition from the Crown.
As for that very powerfull song, "The House of Orange" I sing it on the average of once a week.
My friend and mentor, Barclay Warburton, who taught me almost everything I know about sailing, died of brain cancer a few years back. The last song I ever got to sing for him was, "Mary Ellen Carter".
Did You know that the SS "City of Midland" (The last watch) was purchased before it could be cut up, completely restored and is back in service?


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Subject: RE: STAN ROGERS MEMORIAM
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Oct 06 - 11:16 AM

The Annual Stan Rogers Tribute is being held at Hugh's Room in Toronto on Saturday night, Nov. 4/06--$20.    We went last year and sang and cried all night. Ever heard 500 people harmonizing to the chorus of NW Passage? It gives you a cosmic glow.

Earth Mummie


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