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BS: Killing the thread

Liz the Squeak 26 Jul 00 - 04:51 PM
catspaw49 26 Jul 00 - 04:54 PM
Liz the Squeak 26 Jul 00 - 04:56 PM
Allan C. 26 Jul 00 - 05:02 PM
Liz the Squeak 26 Jul 00 - 05:05 PM
sophocleese 26 Jul 00 - 05:05 PM
wysiwyg 26 Jul 00 - 05:07 PM
catspaw49 26 Jul 00 - 05:13 PM
Liz the Squeak 26 Jul 00 - 05:17 PM
Lonesome EJ 26 Jul 00 - 05:33 PM
Liz the Squeak 26 Jul 00 - 05:38 PM
GUEST 26 Jul 00 - 05:40 PM
wysiwyg 26 Jul 00 - 05:49 PM
Art Thieme 26 Jul 00 - 05:49 PM
wysiwyg 26 Jul 00 - 05:56 PM
Liz the Squeak 26 Jul 00 - 05:56 PM
Morticia 26 Jul 00 - 06:49 PM
KT 26 Jul 00 - 07:11 PM
Lonesome EJ 26 Jul 00 - 08:21 PM
SINSULL 26 Jul 00 - 08:54 PM
Mbo 26 Jul 00 - 08:55 PM
GUEST,Paddy(1) 26 Jul 00 - 09:05 PM
wysiwyg 27 Jul 00 - 12:09 AM
The Shambles 27 Jul 00 - 02:16 AM
Gervase 27 Jul 00 - 07:38 AM
Morticia 27 Jul 00 - 08:06 AM
Allan C. 27 Jul 00 - 08:29 AM
Gervase 27 Jul 00 - 08:30 AM
KT 27 Jul 00 - 01:43 PM
MMario 27 Jul 00 - 01:47 PM
catspaw49 27 Jul 00 - 01:50 PM
McGrath of Harlow 27 Jul 00 - 02:09 PM
Mbo 27 Jul 00 - 02:21 PM
The Shambles 27 Jul 00 - 02:35 PM
catspaw49 27 Jul 00 - 02:49 PM
Liz the Squeak 27 Jul 00 - 03:10 PM
Mbo 27 Jul 00 - 03:11 PM
Lonesome EJ 27 Jul 00 - 03:48 PM
Gervase 27 Jul 00 - 03:52 PM
catspaw49 27 Jul 00 - 04:51 PM
MMario 27 Jul 00 - 04:58 PM
reggie miles 27 Jul 00 - 06:44 PM
Mbo 27 Jul 00 - 06:47 PM
reggie miles 27 Jul 00 - 06:54 PM
wysiwyg 27 Jul 00 - 07:17 PM
Mbo 27 Jul 00 - 07:23 PM
catspaw49 27 Jul 00 - 07:57 PM
Morticia 27 Jul 00 - 08:09 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 04:51 PM

BS threads amongs the old.....?

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 04:54 PM

PRaise made it to the century mark at 100 posts. Its getting slower gang........Onward/Upward to the Dead Thread Heaven.........Where Allan probably has it right.........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 04:56 PM

Probably because it's taking so long to load that I'm timing out!

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Allan C.
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 05:02 PM

Anybody else have a nail to spare for this coffin?


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 05:05 PM

MMario - you utter bastard! Didn't I say it was too long already? Do you know how much scrolling that is?? Do you know I get motion sickness when scrolling long threads???

Anyone got a really big bag? Bleurck!

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: sophocleese
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 05:05 PM

There will never be enough nails for this coffin.

"Please don't post to this thread again!"

Rallying cry of the Rasputin threads.


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: wysiwyg
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 05:07 PM

I am pretty sure I was 101. On purpose, to bust into the next hundred.

But that wasn't as bad as Mmario!

Paint it all over with Kilz.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 05:13 PM

WELL ALL RIGHTY THEN MARIO.........That'll slow down the gawkers!!!!!

Banked and roarin' and the steam is blowin' off the by-pass valves...........Clear the stack and lay on the whistle ....We got this ol' High Stepper a wheelin' now.............

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 05:17 PM

You realise that is going to be a matter of honour just to get this thing up to 150.......

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 05:33 PM

Here Liz, place this stake over the heart, and on the count of three, hit it with this mallet. First, let me step back behind this wall...OK! 1...2...


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 05:38 PM

Hey, I'm not going to be the one to get covered in all that goop when this baby goes off.... You get your ass out here and hold this stake, when you nod your head, I'll hit it.....

(just keep feeding 'em to me.....) LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 05:40 PM

One way to be a thread killer is to make some interesting observation about the original topic long after drift has set in.


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: wysiwyg
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 05:49 PM

Or a dry dissertation.

This one is peripherally related to a song challenge idea.

Last year, Milwaukee Electric Tool Corporation wished to address what it saw as a gap in the market by being the first company to produce a cordless reciprocating saw. The company wanted to introduce the new product at an annual hardware show, which meant that the product lead-time was only four months. This case study details how this ambitious project was carried out using a combination of effective planning and a range of time-compression technologies.

Case Study:Rapid Development of a Reciprocating Saw Tom Markert PSI Alliance

Milwaukee Electric Tool Corporation was founded in 1924 and manufactures premium performance, high durability, portable electric tools. It has a very broad product line with over 400 different tools. Its banner product is the Sawzall ™ reciprocating saw. In April of 1996, Milwaukee saw the opportunity to strategically enhance its product line by being the first company to market with a cordless Sawzall ™. Battery technology had advanced far enough to make this a feasible tool that would perform up to the company's high standards. The company made the decision to develop and introduce the new product in a mere four months-less than half the time for a usual program of this type. The target introduction date was the annual Hardware Show in Chicago, traditionally one of the major venues for introducing new products in the power tool industry.

The program was headed by Dave Selby, Chief Engineer of Cordless Products. Dave's internal team consisted of Mechanical Engineers, Designers, Electrical and Electronics Engineers, Tool Designers, Manufacturing Engineers, and Marketing and Purchasing personnel. Starting with a working motor design, the group had to develop a charger, battery, geartrain, and packaging (the housing of the actual tool). The build of this design consisted of 11 different plastic components, namely a motor housing; left and right handles; left, right, and top battery housings; left and right battery latches; lock slide; connector block; and a charger insert. Selby discussed the program with Tom Market, Project Consultant for the PSI Alliance.

Dave Selby discussed the goals of the program with PSI and reviewed the requirements of the plastic components. Project consultants at PSI try to understand the particular needs of the end user. Some of the more important issues are lead-times, functionality of the parts, volumes, accuracy, and how the prototypes will be used. From this information they can generate options for producing the parts that will meet the end user's needs.

The first step for Milwaukee was to produce color renderings of the tool. Engineering worked with the Industrial Designers and Marketing to produce a design. This started out as sketch work for the entire Sawzall™ and then became drawings for the individual parts. The individual part sketches came fairly early, especially on the handles because the design was of particular concern.

From these designs, work began on the 3D modeling of each component using ProEngineer. The handle of the tool merited special attention. The Sawzall ™ handle design has a distinct, brand-identifying look. The switch in the cordless version is slightly larger then the A/C switch in the corded designs, so the handles had to be made bigger to accommodate the switch. However, at the same time, the handle styling needed to be as close to the original Sawzall handle as possible. From the early ProE files, Milwaukee cut wren wood models of the entire tool on a Fadal VMC30 CNC machine. Wren models were used because the capability to do so was available in-house. Also, the internal details of the parts were not a concern-the desire was solely to get the outside shape for ergonomics. These models were held and examined to ensure that they had the proper feel and look. Marketing worked closely with Engineering to validate the design. As each CNC model was made, changes were incorporated into the CAD file and another set of handles would be cut. Three iterations were completed in one week to arrive at an optimum shape.

It was now time to move onto the next stage. The design engineers needed to begin verifying the fit and details of the parts. The ProE files were sent via modem to the vendors (later the files were sent using file transfer protocol [ftp] because this method was found to provide better and easier transfer) and stereolithography (SL) parts were produced. ATI was one of the companies providing Milwaukee with SL models for fit and cosmetics review. The company is part of the PSI Alliance and specializes in RP parts. "These models were very similar to printing out a rough draft of a text document. We wanted to have parts in our hands to look at," says Dave Selby. "We reviewed the fits between parts, looked at clearance issues, ergonomics of the parts, etc. Looking at actual parts made it easier to see problems such as sharp corners or poor fit up between parts."

Three to four SL models were made of each part. As with the wren models, any changes were incorporated into the CAD file and a new model was produced with the revised designs. According to Dave Selby, "The SL parts were excellent for this purpose. They provided clean, crisp, accurate models in a very short period of time. Some of the parts were turned around in as little as 24 hours." Milwaukee was able to hold design reviews with the SL parts and have early manufacturing studies done. The battery supplier and the Milwaukee Manufacturing cell used these models to develop assembly processes. Previously, manufacturing would not have been able to work with actual components until much later in the project. After assembling several complete tools with SL parts, several design improvements were identified that aided manufacturing and provided a better overall product design. They also were able to use the SL models to look at wiring, routing and internal component placement and were able to arrange some of the internal features of the part to help make the wire rerouting easier. The carrying case for the product was even designed using the SL models.

The next phase required a limited amount of functional testing. ATI met this need with Selective Laser Sintering (SLS) parts in glass-filled nylon. These parts were robust enough to allow several tools to be assembled and run as working models. One part-the charger insert-required higher heat resistance than the SLS or SLA material was able to provide. This single part was made on a finite deposition-modeling machine using the ABS material. The SLS parts served various purposes. The feel and balance of the tool was checked during operation. The battery runtime was verified by using an SLS-built tool to cut 2" x 4" lumber. Tool temperature characteristics were also evaluated and several opportunities were identified for improvement. This in itself validated the extra round of SLS parts. Overall, the SLS parts allowed design optimization to occur without impacting production tooling. After the SLS evaluation, Milwaukee released part designs for injection mold tooling. With only eight weeks to the hardware show, time was running short.

"There were two possible scenarios for the injection-mold tooling," said a PSI Project Consultant. "The first option was to build what we call Tru Tools. These are foundry-cast tools made from a SL pattern. The tools have cooling lines cast in, full ejection is added, and the tool is run in a standard injection-mold press. The tooling investment is much lower than cut tools. The parts are molded in the production-specified resin and are equivalent functionally to production parts. The drawbacks are that the tool life is limited (2000 parts), the part cost is somewhat higher than cut tool parts and the aesthetics do not meet production quality. This option is excellent for projects that require a limited number of parts for testing and design verification in specified resin.

The second option was to make CNC machined tools out of QC7 aluminum. These tools produce parts that meet or exceed the quality standards of most customers. Tru Tools are typically 30- 50% of the cost of a cut production tool. Cut QC7 aluminum tools are typically 70-75% of a production tool. In this case, Tru Tools represented a 4-5 week process, cut tools were 4-8 weeks, and production tools typically ran in the 12-20 week period. Cut aluminum tools have tolerances in the .005-in. range. TruTools-as cast-have tolerances in the .012-.020-in. range-this can be improved for critical areas by machining.

Milwaukee decided to use the CNC cut tools. With this option, the company was able to bridge into production using the aluminum tools to supply production parts until the actual steel tools were ready. Omega Plastics-another PSI Alliance member, which specializes in prototype, bridge to production tooling and molding-was able to meet the high quality requirements and supply the first 10,000+ units. "The accuracy, look, and function of the parts was outstanding" say Selby. "We were able to get an additional three months of sales on the front end by using these tools."

To kick these tools off a meeting was held with Omega, PSI, Milwaukee's engineering team, and the production molders to review the designs and work through any concerns before building the tools. Critical dimensions were flagged and a Quality Control plan was outlined. The ProE files were not fully dimensioned at this point. Milwaukee provided Omega with critical dimension drawings for the QC plan. Omega has over 35 lead toolmakers in house and was able to begin work on all 11 tools at once. "Our focus, capacity, and internal systems are all geared for rapid turnaround of tools," says Jeff Kaczperski, National Director of Customer Support at Omega. "Couple this with our experienced people and you can handle large programs like this in a very short time." CAD files were ftp'd directly to Omega from Milwaukee and came through with no discrepancies; both companies are ProEngineer users. Once the files arrived, the toolmaker and CAD engineer worked together to develop the cavity and core splits.

Omega keeps the QC7 aluminum in stock so once the tool is developed they can go right into the millwork. When running the SLS tools, Milwaukee discovered several features that needed adjustment. One example was the function of the battery latches. Omega was able to react quickly to make the change-the fix took 3 days as an engineering change to the tool-and still met the delivery schedule. The production toolmaker was also able to make the changes in his tooling. According to Selby, "not only did they finish the tools in 8 weeks, they were also able to react very quickly to these type of design changes. The longest tooling revision took only one week." Milwaukee and production molders attended many of the mold samplings to speed the approval process and learn as much about the injection-molding parameters as possible. This transfer of knowledge aided in the startup of production tooling later on.

Omega's tooling allowed Milwaukee to introduce the cordless Sawzall ™ at the Hardware Show and build tools for its customers immediately, while the production injection-mold tooling was being finished. The bridge tooling allowed the company to enter the market three months before the actual production tools came on line.

"It was truly a team effort", says Selby. "The resources and hard work of our internal people was nicely complemented by the PSI Alliance companies. We were able to apply the proper technologies at the right stages of the project to ensure we met our goals." The Cordless Sawzall ™ won the 1997 Wisconsin Governor's New Product Award and the Plant Engineering Product of the Year Gold Award for 1996. Sales have exceeded expectations and continue to grow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Art Thieme
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 05:49 PM

Here in Texas I've seen bigger sperms than that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: wysiwyg
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 05:56 PM

Time compression. That's the trick. More Cat time, compress the time.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 05:56 PM

Any one found that bag yet....... blliiiirrp


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Morticia
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 06:49 PM

I work with people who have less time to live than this bloody thread does.........let it jump! Farewell, cruel world!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: KT
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 07:11 PM

THE END


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 08:21 PM

CREDITS

PRODUCER.......ALLAN C
DIRECTOR.......LIZ the SQUEAK
CINEMATOGRAPHY.......GERVASE
ORIGINAL SCRIPT.......THE SHAMBLES
FILM DESIGN.......BANJO BONNIE
CASTING.......PRAISE
SET DESIGN.......MMARIO
COSTUME DESIGN.......MORTICIA
LEAD CAMERA (BARCELONA).......SOPHOCLEESE
LEAD CAMERA(DUBLIN,CORK).......McGRATH


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 08:54 PM

Filmed on location at the Mudcat Studios in Anywhere, USA and Mudcat, LTD in Anywhere, British Empire.


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Mbo
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 08:55 PM

HOLD MY BREATHE AS I WISH FOR DEATH!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: GUEST,Paddy(1)
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 09:05 PM

This one is mine

Paddy(1)


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: wysiwyg
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 12:09 AM

All syndication rights donated to Mudcat Cafe

SCORE by.... duh! Gotta be you, LEJ!

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 02:16 AM

The producers would like to point out that no threads were actually killed during the making of this.

Any resemblance to any 'living' persons, was worth try.


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Gervase
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 07:38 AM

This thread is also available on CD, Cassette and DVD.

GUEST is a Royal Shakespeare Company player, and is currently appearing in the Thames near Wapping.

©Acme Time-Wasting Solutions, MM


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Morticia
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 08:06 AM

Please leave the theatre quietly,as local residents may be sleeping.


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Allan C.
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 08:29 AM

Should have included 'Spaw as KEY GRIP.


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Gervase
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 08:30 AM

That's all folks - there's nothing to see. Just move along now...


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: KT
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 01:43 PM

"Let's all go to the lobby, let's all go to the lobby....."


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: MMario
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 01:47 PM

This thread has been colourized by MudTones


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 01:50 PM

There once was a man named Magruder
Who met a nude and he wooed her.
But she thought it was crude
To be wooed in the nude,
But Magruder was shrewd, and he screwed her.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 02:09 PM

Foreign languiafe version (well, more or less...), courtesy Babelfish

Portugues subtitles:

Havia uma vez um homem nomeado Magruder
Who encontrou-se com um nude e wooed her.
But que pensou que era crude
To wooed no nude,
mas Magruder era shrewd, e a parafusou.

German subtitles:

Es gab einmal einen Mann, der Magruder
Who benannt wurde, traf einen Nude und er flehte her.
But an, das sie dachte, daß es crude
To wird angefleht im Nude war,
aber Magruder shrewd war

und er sie schraubte. French subtitles:

Il y avait par le passé un homme nommé Magruder
Who a rencontré une nudité et il a courtisé her.
But qu'elle a pensé que c'était crude
To soit courtisé dans la nudité,
mais Magruder était judicieux,
et il l'a vissée.


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Mbo
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 02:21 PM

Please place all trash in the proper receptacles...

Goodnight America! And all the ships at sea.


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 02:35 PM

Please stand for the National Anthem.


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 02:49 PM

OLD JOKE ALERT

What are the last two words of the "Star Spangled Banner?"

PLAY BALL!!!

Spaw........This is now taking so long to load that you feel obligated to post something once you have it loaded. Another problem to be addressed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 03:10 PM

Start playing God save the King and the place will empty quicker than the waiting room at the clap clinic when there's a female doctor on call.....

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Mbo
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 03:11 PM

Filmed entirely on location at Mudcatville, Pennsylvania. Special thanks to The Neil Young Center For The Terminally Screwed, Roger The Skiffler, Warden; Iron Hill Brewery, CLETUS, Reg, Reg, Reg, Santa Claus, Mr.Joseph Smackers, John Lennon, Bob Dylan, Ogden Nash, Petey The Pirate, Weed-Eater company respesentative William Ianotti, Noel & Liam Gallagher, Sir Andrew Aguecheek, Count Smorltork, Esq., Mr.B.A. Barrakus, Ted Generic, The East Carolina School of Art, Mr. Walford Warlowe, The Folk Bureau of Investigation, Roger Waters, Michael T. Weiss, Allan Iverson, Andrew Lloyd Webber, Mackie Messer, Tibbie Fowler, Jeff Lynne, Roy Wood, Suzie Katayama and Mr.Children.


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 03:48 PM

LEJ sits quietly with his wife as the theater patrons slowly filter out. He hopes he has managed to wipe all remaining tears from his eyes, evoked by the last moving scenes, before the lights come up entirely. Turning to her, he says Pretty good, wasn't it? Want to grab a bite to eat on the way home?


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Gervase
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 03:52 PM

Yeah, but the special effects were crap. I could see the wires.


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 04:51 PM

Here's to the guy who thinks the burning paper plate on a string actually looked like a spaceship crashing.

What a great job fella!!! And yeah, gimmee some fries with that.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: MMario
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 04:58 PM

awwwwwww d*MN!! I got bubble gum stuck on my shoe!


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: reggie miles
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 06:44 PM

I still don't know who killed the thread. Was it the butler? I think I'll just have to rent it when it comes out on video. The prices they charge at these movie theaters is outlandish. I would have to get a seat behind some guy with a weird hat on. What was that an opossum skin cap? I thought I saw him feeding popcorn to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Mbo
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 06:47 PM

And something kept coming out the other end that made little "plip" noises.

--Matt


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: reggie miles
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 06:54 PM

I thought that was part of the smell-o-vision special effects.


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: wysiwyg
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 07:17 PM

I fold


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Mbo
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 07:23 PM

I fluff


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 07:57 PM

150

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: Morticia
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 08:09 PM

< clearing up the debris> Bloody hell, look at the state of this place.........fag ends, spilt beer, tiples as far as the eye can see, and, if I'm not very much mistaken, some old sod called Bert, snoring and farting in one corner............Jaysus, Max is gonna kill us!


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 08:41 PM

There must be some way out of here
said the Joker to the Thief
There's too much confusion here
I can't get no relief...mumble...mumble mumble..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Killing the thread
From: wysiwyg
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 08:45 PM

Wait! I got it~~~

What you do, Allan, when this happens, when you have killed a thread, is, you reset your cookie as a guest, post something inflammatory but on topic, not flamey, and watch the thread revive!

Theoretically, any thread can be revived this way!

~S~


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