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ON ILKLA MOOR BAHT HAT


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Subject: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: L R Mole
Date: 22 Jun 00 - 09:27 AM

Hmm. I'm not surprised the cat already know the Em. Dickenson/Yellow rose of texas cross (and "Casey at the Bat" and "The Walrus and the Carpenter", etc.I was also pleased beyond measure with the "O little Town of the House of the Rising Sun" pairing . But THEY ALL FIT THE THEMESONG TO "GILLIGAN'S ISLAND".Aaargh.


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: Morticia
Date: 22 Jun 00 - 01:19 PM

I don't know the theme to Gilligans Island ( U.K type person) but we like collecting examples of these. Were you aware of Clementine to 'Men of Harlech' and 'While Shepherds Watch" to "Ilkley Moor bah't'at"?


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: Mbo
Date: 22 Jun 00 - 01:23 PM

Doyle's poem "Song of the Bow" from The White Company works well to the music from the Act II Finale from La Boheme by Puccini. Also, the "Lament of the Ent & the Entwife" from Tolkien goes perfect with "Riders In The Sky".

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: MMario
Date: 22 Jun 00 - 02:21 PM

"gilligan's Island" has a very common [whatever it is it's called to describe the number of beats to the line/verse] - [Note: CRS getting worse} meter. that's it. a very common meter.


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: Melbert
Date: 22 Jun 00 - 02:44 PM

A guy at our local sings Ken Dodd's "Happiness" to the tune of "The Ellan Vanin Tragedy", followed by a parody of "Ellan Vanin" to the tune of "Happiness".........
Always has everyone laughing their socks off!


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: GUEST,Phil Cooper
Date: 22 Jun 00 - 05:33 PM

I found myself thinking of Lorenna McKennit's setting of Yeat's "Stolen Child" poem. Very good dramatic melody. Then the lyrics to a song by Da Yoopers called "Three Months Late" came to mind. Not dramatic, but crassly funny. So if you can imagine (hoping you are familiar with the McKennit tune) deathless lyrics like: "I said she was my first love/She said she'd show me how/She'd learned some from the Macky boys/and some from watching cows/I fired up threw some water on the rocks/and then I took off everything/except my wooly socks." And, of course, the chorus "She's late, she's late, o lord she's three months late/I took her to my uncle's camp/and now she's three months late." No disrespect is intended towards Lorenna McKennit's setting, but the mind does strange things at times.


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: bob jr
Date: 23 Jun 00 - 04:47 AM

you can sing the words to the how many chucks would a wood chuck chuck to the tune of blowing in the wind if you keep the refrain the same ie if a wood chuck could chuck wood/the answer my friend is.....etc


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: Morticia
Date: 23 Jun 00 - 05:29 AM

you can also sing Wild Rover to The banana boat song


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 23 Jun 00 - 07:48 AM

The usual suspects at The Press Room in Portsmouth, NH are likely to put "Wild Colonial Boy" to the tune of "Ghost Riders In The Sky."

"Tooralayoo, tooralayay, the wild colonial boy."
Maybe we'll do it tonight.

Bat Goddess


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: Mbo
Date: 23 Jun 00 - 08:13 AM

Wild Rover also works well the the tune of The Little Beggarman!

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Jun 00 - 08:16 PM

gee, and I thought this was gonna be a thread about what Bluegrass bands do to folk tunes......


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: L R Mole
Date: 26 Jun 00 - 11:39 AM

God rest ye merry, Gilligan.


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: Penny S.
Date: 26 Jun 00 - 12:38 PM

I think that While Shepherds Watch was the original owner of Ilkley Moor Baht 'At

Penny who has found her cookie


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: Snuffy
Date: 26 Jun 00 - 07:24 PM

Morticia,

Amost anything goes to Ilkla Moor - we once spent four hours in a minibus singing every song we could remember (folk, pop, hymns, music hall, shows) - and all to that bloody tune!

I'm having problems with Clementine to Men of Harlech, though - the verses can be squeezed to fit, but I can't get the chorus to work. How do you do it? We usually sing it to the Welsh hymn tune CWM RHONDDA (Guide me, O thou Great Jehova), with the chorus going:

Oh my darling, Oh my darling,(Bread of Heaven, Bread of Heaven,)
Oh my darling Clementine.(Feed me till I want no more)
Oh my darling Clementine.(Feed me till I want no more)
Lots of opportunity for harmonies and counterpoint there.
But I have also heard it to the hymn tune AUSTRIAN HYMN (Glorious Things of Thee Are Spoken/Deutschland Über Alles), which fits it perfectly, as will any other hymn tune with the metre 8 7.8 7.D - there are over 20 of them in my Songs of Praise, and half of them seem to be Welsh!

Wassail! V


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: Morticia
Date: 26 Jun 00 - 07:31 PM

That was it, Bread of Heaven, sorry Snuffy, one of , becoming more typical mental abberations, there


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: little john cameron
Date: 26 Jun 00 - 07:41 PM

When ah wrote "the Tribute to Newfoundland" ah put it tae the tune o'"Little Beggarman" but it wis too lively for the words.So ah did tae "Tramps AN hawker Lads",Homes o' Donegal",Wind that shakes the corn"etc. It wis a lot easier tae sing along tae an' ye good dance tae it withoot spilliN' YER PINT. LJC


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 26 Jun 00 - 08:37 PM

Interesting especially the Austrian Hymn. I was working some years ago in Norwich, NY helping a pal put a fence in for the local Catholic Church and the bells played the Austrian hymn in question. RAised my eyebrows. Darling Clementine has also been "Graced" with lyrics by school children here to a ditty called "Found a peanut" Neil


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: Mbo
Date: 26 Jun 00 - 08:49 PM

Of course you all know that the classic tune that is the "Austrian Hymn" or "Deutschland Uber Alles" was written by Classical composer Franz Josef Haydn, as the Austrian National Anthem. He also used it as the theme for his "Emperor" Quartet in C, Opus 76, No.3. Which is named for the Emperor of Austria at the time, 1797. It is unfortunate indeed, actually it makes me mad, that the Nazis used it as an anthem, but I think in the original spirit of the piece, that it is acceptable to be played as a hymn or by church bells.

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: Victoria H.
Date: 26 Jun 00 - 11:11 PM

About two years ago I attended a concert by John McCutcheon in which he remarked that you can sing almost anything to the tune of "Goodnight Irene", and then went on to prove it! :-) - Victoria


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: DADGBE
Date: 27 Jun 00 - 12:35 AM

Try the lyrics of 'Amazing Grace' to the tunes of Hernando's Hideaway, Deep In The Heart Of Texas or Gilligan's Island. Be careful, though, and don't sing these to anyone who might do you bodily harm.


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: Racer
Date: 27 Jun 00 - 12:56 AM

I always tell people that I know three tunes on the tin whistle: "The Risin' of the Moon," "The Wearin' of the Green," and "The Orange and the Green."

I also like the relationship between "Whiskey You're the Devil" and "The Boys From the County Cork."

-Racer


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 27 Jun 00 - 02:24 AM

Ah, here we go again!

Ilkely Moor did indeed begin life as a hymn tune, on the lines of the 'O for a thousand tongues' variety. Lots of jolly stuff that repeated for the usually illiterate congregation to join in with. I know not how it became a popular song and lost its' church connections, all I know it, certain churches get really snippy when you try and introduce it as a hymn tune again!!

Dives and Lazarus is another tune (Willikins and his Dinah to some) that is used for hymns too. That will fit about 85% of all known songs. Then there is Kingsfold - the anglicised version of the Star of the County Down. That's a good one too, for changing.

Linden Lea is the only song I have found that fits 'Jerusalem' and vice versa. It seems that long journeys are what start these - Micca and I did this very thing on a trip along the M25 to Towersey last year. Shame that he was helpless with laughter and I was driving or else we'd've written them all down......

We got a good one to the Ride of the Valkyries, but can we remember what it is now? Can we buggery!

LTS


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: GUEST,Liz J
Date: 27 Jun 00 - 03:35 AM

Yes indeed While Shepherds to Ilkley Moor is part of the South Derbyshire/Sheffield area carol singing tradition.

I always judge a tune as to how well Pinball Wizzard fits. Try it! you'll be amazed how often it works without too much squeezing. And the traditional extra verses to White Cockade ("It was one summers morning as I wallked over the moss" version) are of course Ever since I was a young man I played the silver ball etc Karma Karma Karma Karma Chameleon etc Oh my old man's a dustman etc


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 27 Jun 00 - 03:42 AM

The Marines' Hymn to the tune of Ghost Riders, Amazing Grace, The Yellow Rose of Texas, and the Sash. All the best, Seamus


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: GUEST,Penny S.
Date: 27 Jun 00 - 05:30 AM

I heard a tale that the Ilkley church choir was out on a picnic on the moor, Mary Jane and someone went off together, and the parody was composed and sung when they returned. Whether a true origin of the song I know not, but it was on the BBC.

Penny


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: Nicole Leonard
Date: 27 Jun 00 - 06:46 AM

At a folk festival recently I heard some people sing "Danny Boy" to the tune of the Banana Boat song. "Danny! Oh Danny Boy! The pipes are calling and they're calling you home" (etc.)


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: Bradypus
Date: 02 Jul 00 - 07:30 PM

I don't know if inappropriate is the right word, but in church this morning we did 'Jesus Loves Me' to the tune of 'Twist and Shout'. (It worked really well).

Bradypus


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jul 00 - 08:26 PM

"I only know two tunes. One of them is 'Yankee Doodle' and the other isn't."

Ulysses S. Grant.

I'm sure the above is a familar quotation for many of our readers; but is a condition of tune-deafness, like Grant claimed he had, possible?


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 03 Jul 00 - 12:16 PM

YES!! I ask my very musical SO what a tune is, he hums it and it sounds exactly the same as another tune that I'd asked him to hum previously. For someone as musical as he, he cannot carry a tune vocally, not even if it had handles..... Give him an instrument and he's spot on.

'There is a green hill far away' to the tune of 'House of the Rising Sun'....... scares our vicar every time I suggest it, because the organist is quite enthusiastic about doing it.......

LTS


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 03 Jul 00 - 09:38 PM

Just read this thread for the first time. I was up untill about 3.00am Saturday night in the Orillia area and we spent the last half of the night fitting bothGilligans Island and Amazing Graze to everything we could think of, they fit everything with one exception. Great Fits; Fanny Power, Ludwig's 9th(Ode to Joy) Great Exceptations, (apologies to any Dickensian's) Dave Brubecks Take 5, put it was late by then.

We used to do the While Shepherds to Ikley Moor, whilst it is still best for a sing alongs, we now use the tune "Otford", an 18th cent fugeing tune for performances. JohnB


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: GUEST,Crazy Eddie
Date: 04 Jul 00 - 01:05 AM

Liz the Squeak! The verses of "Jeruselem" fit really well to "The Holy Ground" & vice versa, but you have to revert to the original for the chorus, which adds to the cobfusion. Neill Tobin does a them very well, playing a drunk at a wedding, on a recording called "Live & Kicking"


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: JennieG
Date: 04 Jul 00 - 01:59 AM

In my giddy youth the Presbyterian youth group that I attended used to sing The Twenty-Third Psalm to the tune of The Gypsy Rover - we thought we were being very daring too!
Cheers
JennieG


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: JedMarum
Date: 04 Jul 00 - 10:47 AM

Well I see that Bat Godess shares our sense of humor. When Eammon's Kitchen had been pressed time and again by audiences to play the "Wild Colonial Boy" Karen (the self proclaimed, Queen of the Band) finally agreed and proceeded to lead us through her rendition of the song sung to the tune of "Ghost Riders In The Sky."

She introduced it by saying that we were real sticklers for the tradition, and had found, through our thorough research, the original, and only correct melody for the song - then we launched into a roaring version the tune. A few folks thought we were serious, a few showed great displeasure (at the sacrilege) - but most just geuinely enjoyed the song, and laughed along with us!


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 27 Aug 03 - 08:23 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: John P
Date: 28 Aug 03 - 08:34 AM

The chord pattern for "Pacabell's Canon" works perfectly for the melody of "Puff the Magic Dragon".

Sorry to be the one to tell you that . . .

John Peekstok


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: GUEST,ClaireBear
Date: 28 Aug 03 - 11:10 AM

I hesitate to share this, my darkest secret, but I must confess that the Agincourt Carol is given, errr, an entirely new life by being sung to the Banana Boat Song tune.

(our King went forth from Norman-dy,
Deo gracia Anglia
With mickle might and chival-ry
Deo gracia Anglia

Deo, Deo,
Deo gracia Anglia...)

Sorry!
Claire


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Subject: RE: Inappropriate melodies,ctd.
From: GUEST,ClaireBear
Date: 28 Aug 03 - 11:27 AM

Ah, peeking at the parallel thread I see I'm not alone in the Agincourt/Banana Boat aberration (also that I haven't spelled the Latin correctly). But just for the record, I did a search on Agincourt in the knowledge base before I submitted.

Shoulda tried the lyrics. Sigh. Does one ever get past the learning stage?

Claire


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