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Subject: Beer
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 07:08 AM

Its the weekend folks, the time to relax, maybe with a fine glass of ale. Are there beers out there who's praises you would care to sing out loud, my efforts will be directed at Marstons, an ale of "pedigree".


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Patrish(inactive)
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 07:15 AM

Nick Staffords "Hambletons Ales" -yum yum
Patrish


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 07:15 AM

Flowers Origial

Guinness

Old Speckled Hen

John Smiths Smooth

Guinness

And yes guinness

Ella

;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Lady McMoo
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 07:23 AM

All of the above but, especially, Adnam's.

(and this from one living in the Beermost Kingdom of Belgium!)

Slainte,

mcmoo


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Timbobbin
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 07:59 AM

Timmy Taylors landlord


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Gary T
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 08:05 AM

It's local, but I find it superb--Boulevard Brewerey's Pale Ale. They also offer a wheat beer (not like the German flavored ones, just a nice flavorful beer, lighter than the ale), an Irish Ale in spring, a lager in fall (not wimpy like typical American lagers, but robust and tasty), a porter, and a few others. If you make it to Kansas City, give the Boulevard beers a try.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Morticia
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 08:32 AM

Greene King Abbott...I love it, it hates me, go figure.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 08:59 AM

Newcastle Brown Ale and Bass... Beer is no longer just fer breakfast mates. I was told you can drink it all day; and yes it goes with red and white meat. Aye. Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 09:10 AM

I endorse most of those quoted, also Wadsworth's 4x and when in London, Young's Special. Not that I indulge often, you understand...but as the man said, it's nearly the weekend...
RtS


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Brendy
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 09:11 AM

Of all the English Real Ales I have tasted - and I've tasted many - I always had a little grá for This Stuff!!!

Check it out, and 'Win beer for a Year'

B.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Ringer
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 09:11 AM

John Smith's smooth? You must be joking. Why include piss in a list of beers? Beer should be alive, served from handpump if not from the barrel, not pasturised cat-waz serverd under nitrogen top-pressure.

And while we're at it, I think Guinness is over-rated. They say it's better in Ireland. All I can say is, it had better be.

And while we're at it, am I alone in thinking that it's becoming increasingly difficult to find beer (that's beer, alive, served from handpump if not from the barrel) served at an appropriate temperature; for the Guinness & lager drinkers among you, an appropriate temperature is WARM. Why kill all taste, as is necessary with lager, by chilling it when the product at correct temperature fills the nose with delightful bouquet, the mouth with tastes of warm malt and sharp hops and leaves lingering aftertastes of elderflower or liquorice? The very names of the hops (Fuggles, Goldings, names themselves to linger on the tongue) are redolent of a tradition older than most of the song I sing, a tradition that I'm determined my thirst (and, I have to confess my sheer delight in drinking beer long after the thirst is quenched) shall help to maintain.

So what's good? Old Mill Mild (dark, nutty, delicious, brewed in Yorkshire, of a strength low enough to leave you standing up even after a satiety -- and satiety doesn't come early with a beer that good) is one of my favourites and, conveniently, served just round the corner from my office. London Pride is also wonderful (no geographical preferences here, you'll note). But I'll drink anything out of a handpump, and enjoy 99% of it.

Beer is wonderful. Beer is best.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: A Wandering Minstrel
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 09:24 AM

Round where I am the beer of choice has to be Wychwoods "Hobgoblin", or "Fiddlers Elbow" both very drinkable

For real headcrashing, try the Newcastle Star or MacEwans No 1. don't have more than one though or drink it in halves!

Dave the mariner, I hope you drink your broon out of a schooner!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Grab
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 09:28 AM

3 beers from the Abbeydale brewery. Absolution is the standard, a strong bitter. Black Lurcher is stout, 9%-ish. And Last Rites is 12% upwards, is smooth as lemonade so you drink it without hardly noticing, until you try to stand up!

Or a pint of mild goes down nicely with a plate of decent home-cooked food.

Grab.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Patrish(inactive)
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 09:39 AM

I've jush had some loverly beer made by the Ossett Brewery called "Wobbly Bob" and do you know my bobs gone all wobbly.....
Patrish


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Kim C
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 09:48 AM

Guinness, Guinness, and Guinness. I don't think it's overrated and it shouldn't be WARM, unless 55 degrees is considered WARM. By American ice-cold standards I suppose it would be. I keep them in thr fridge but let them sit out about 30 minutes before drinking. Then it's perfect (except for the fact it's in a bottle but I haven't figured out how to get my own keg just yet). Mister calls it "liquid rye bread" and usually won't drink it, or any other stout. Once in awhile he may have a porter but he doesn't love the dark beers as much as I do.

It's hot here in Tennessee now so pale beers are nice... I actually like a cold Rolling Rock on a hot day, or a cold Woodpecker cider. But my favorite beer drink for the summer is...... SHANDY. Rolling Rock makes a good shandy as do several of the medium-dark beers.

This week a houseguest treated us to a 12-pack of Shiner Bock. I like that pretty well too. Shiner makes several other beers which are unfortunately not available outside the Republic of Texas.

I tried Samuel Adams and really didn't care for it.

One of our new favorites is an import called La Trappe, which is brewed by Trappist monks in Holland. It comes in gray crock bottles, which is what caught our interest in the first place (we can use the bottles for living history events). It's a reddish beer with a slightly fruity aftertaste. There's a bottle in the fridge right now.......


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Mooh
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 10:16 AM

Kinda partial to my homebrew at the moment, but I really like Creemore Lager. I'm not sure if it's available outside of southern Ontario. Upper Canada Dark is fine, as is their Wheat beer.

Somewhere on Earth it's time for a beer, I might as well start now. Thanks for the inspiration. Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 10:26 AM

I have never managed to learn to like beer. I tried in college, and tried again much harder in grad school; I tried it in Ireland. I tried it after spending a day housepainting. I tried it everywhere and even when I am thirstier than I can imagine being, it still tastes, well, bad. I do, however, like liquor and mixed drinks; I did OK in Ireland without the Guiness once I'd learned that the "punch" the Clancys sang about is called Hot Whiskey where I was, and boy, is THAT good.

Any hints from y'all on how to learn to like beer? I find it a social grace I consider myself to lack.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Rana who SHOULD be working
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 10:29 AM

This thread is making me want to hop (pun not intended)on a plane and sample real ales!

Unfortunately there aren't too many around Toronto. A few brew pubs exist and there are some micros. Creemore , as Mooh said is, pretty good and is what I normally have. Cameron's Pale once you find it. I should go up to the Granite Brew pub - been to the one in Halifax, Nova Scotia and it was marvellous.

For English ales beggars can't be choosers so we do have to have John Smiths though Ruddles is now around.

Rana


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Brendy
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 10:31 AM

I have to agree with Bald Eagle as far as the Guinness is concerned.
When you live and travel overseas, you get to sample a wide variety of Guinness. Most of which is certainly not what you would expect in Ireland.

However, I can almost always put this down to the impatience of the barman (Beers are much easier to pull, and you can sell more of them in the time it takes to pull a decent pint).
Proper care of the lines is very important also, and the distance from tap to barrel is critical.

I have tasted excellent Guinness in my travels, as well as chalky crap, heavily disguised behind the Guinness name.

A few notable 'Guinness' Pubs:
Vaughan's, Chicago
Paddy Go Easy, Åboulevarden, Århus, Denmark.
John D. McGurks, corner of 12th and Russell, St. Louis.

Caring people who care about Guinness!

B.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST,art
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 10:48 AM

as i live in nethergate st. it would be disloyal of me not to mention nethergate ale, C.A.M.R.A. award winner,loved by thousands,brewed by enthusiasts, but does not agree with internal machine.

however when ABBOTT is "on song" it's hard to beat, but haven't had a decent draught since the early 90's. the cans with a widgett are the next best thing but if you've carried them home you're best off leaving them in the fridge for a few hours.

have fiddlers elbow in the cooler right now and am awaiting the arrival of the T shirt.5 bottle tops and £5 will get you one.they're online, look up "wychwood".it's worth it just for the artwork

cheers

bill


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: jeffp
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 11:03 AM

Usual quaff is Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, but I really prefer my own brew. Other favorites are Victory Hop Devil and Tupper's Hop Pocket Ale.

jeffp


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Hollowfox
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 11:17 AM

When I was a wee tot, my parents were going to college, and all the parties were at our house. In the mornings, I'd help clean up (I was short enough to find the ashtrays hidden under the chairs, and I wasn't hung over.) *That's* why I like Iron City Beer (from Pittsburgh), with Duquesne Beer (likewise) coming in a close second, but I don't have to wait until they're flat anymore, and I don't have to check for used cigarette butts before I take a drink. The worst beerI ever had was a homemade dark brew that a medievalist flavored with cloves. Tasted like Evening in Paris perfume.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 11:22 AM

Real German "Wiesenbier"--oh wow
From New Belguim MicroBrew in Northern Colorado, USA--
"Sunshine Wheat", "Fat Tire", and "Tripple Bock"
Sam Adams "Cherry Wheat"
Two Dogs "Lemon Brew"
"Newcastle Brown"
and no doubt several others, but it is too early here for me to think much about beer, still on coffee. Would really like to try Guinness in Ireland, the pop top cans are over rated, for almost $3 (US) each.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 11:29 AM

Aaah, home brew! When I was poor and newly married we made our own beer. One night we awoke to a noise we thought was a car accident outside. Found the living room awash with beer and bits of glass embedded in the furniture as a gallon jar had exploded. Fortunate that we hadn't been in there at the time. We gave up after that! Another good thing was that it was a furnished let and the stuff was in a ratty state anyway ( a previous tenant had taken a knife to most of the furniture during a "domestic" - well it was Peckham!) so the landlord didn't gripe!
RtS


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST,John Gray / Australia
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 11:38 AM

For a good review of a large range of beer brands / types and countries of origin go to the "Long Distance Travellers". http://www.ozemail.com.au/~naibor/ldt/start.htm We are, we are, we are, we are, we are the engineers. And we can, we can, we can, we can demolish 40 beers. Drink up, drink up etc. etc. ( a song that us old stokers used to sing many years ago ) And just remember - there are no bad beers - just some better than others. Location is important too, a cold San Mig. at the New Jolo bar in Olongapo was the stuff that dreams were made of.

JG / FME


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Mark Clark
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 11:47 AM

I too am quite partial to Guinness but I'd like to sing the praises of a local brew as well. I've thought for many years that American beer is some of the world's worst. There are no beer purity laws here and it's production (and quality) is close to that of soft carbonated beverages.

There is, however, a brew made a few miles from here called Stone City Iowa Pale Ale that is really good. The Stone City Brewrey began in Stone City, Ia., the subject of Grant Wood's famous painting, but found that the water in their wells was not conducive to the finest brew. They moved their brewrey to the nearby town of Solon and now make an excellent product. If you're driving through Iowa on I-80 on a weekday before 6:00pm it's worth the ten mile detour up Iowa Route 1 to Solon.

Iowa Pale Ale is sold locally in grocery stores but I don't think it has a wider distribution. Maybe it could be ordered through Beer Across America or one of those beer-of-the-month clubs.

You won't be disappointed.

      - Mark


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 11:54 AM

Well Guest, I guess I'm just not as particular as the rest of these guys. As long as I'm thirsty, and its cold, I'm happy.

Little Neo


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST,Frank B
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 12:07 PM

Yuengling Lager is my choice unless it is not available. Brewed in Pennsylvania, there are other "flavors" which includes a pretty decent Black and Tan, but my favorite is just plain Yuengling Lager, nice Amber color, Rich taste, not overbearing.....I'll stop now, it feels like I'm in the middle of a bad commercial!!

Frank

P.S. Honey Brown is a pretty good local beer as well....


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 12:10 PM

Dos XX (Equis)....I'm told it's the last remaining example of a Vienna lager.

Mrr...if you've not learned to like beer by now, there's probably a good reason, and I wouldn't force it. Chalk it up to personal preference, as in some people don't like beets. Stick to your mixed drinks and liquor, and drink water when thirsty. (Your kidneys and waistline will probably thank you for it some day)


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Hollowfox
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 12:29 PM

Yes, exploding homebrew stories...maybe we should start a new thread...


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 12:31 PM

I've always wondered about this beer belly thing. Do guys who drink a lot of alcohol get a belly too. Or is it just the beer that makes the belly big?

Little Neo


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST,sledge (as a guest)
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 12:35 PM

My fine lady laid in a bottle of a fullers brew called "1845", rich, dark and 6.3% alchohol, gets my vote so far this year


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: paddymac
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 12:48 PM

Whilst enjoying yer first pint of the weekend, offer up a kind thought in memory of the first man or woman so driven by thirst or hunger as to pick up a bowl of "rotting" barley, thereby securing for all humankind (and bulls in Kobe, Japan) the benefit of one of Creators most magnificent inventions. A true hero of all the nations (and smaller political entities as well)!


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Micca
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 01:56 PM

I personally like many of the products of the Upper Canada brewing Co. in Toronto,, but at he moment I am in awe of one of our recent house guests from the US who was introduced to a Real Ale pub on her 1st visit to London and went for Abbott..and is now firmly converted,this has long been a favourite beer.,, BTW someone above, I think Wadsworths of Devizes, is 6X not 4, and Liz will probably tell you how TOTALLY excellent Tanglefoot is.. and Mrr have you tried Cider as a Quaffing drink? it is Sugar free, if you go for the dry version,( NOT Woodpecker, Spaw thats the brand name not the effect)and Ok for diabetics..


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Brendy
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 02:00 PM

Good to see you back, Micca, and able to sample such wonders. *BG*

B.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST,art
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 02:17 PM

wow 35 messages and no-one's mentioned john barleycorn


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Max
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 02:32 PM

My favorite beer is any that I've never tried before. I think the best I've tried so far are:

1. Sam Smith's Old Brewery Pale Ale
2. Stoudt's American Pale Ale
3. Newcastle Brown

I think the worst beer I ever tried was the Sam Adams Cherry Wheat. Nasty.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Rana who SHOULD be working
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 02:39 PM

I'm going to mention that wonderful 2 CD set called A Tale of Ale. Of course it features John Barleycorn!

Rana who will be going for a Creemore in a few hours and will be spending the weekend at the London (Ontario) Morris Ale


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 02:45 PM

Here in Minnesota, the best local beers are James Page Voyageur Pale Ale and Summit Pale Ale.

Of the nationally distributed beers, I favor Redhook ESB or IPA.

I'm referring to bottled beer you drink at home. Most bars still serve it way too cold.

For more info about Canadian & American "craft" brews, check out the The Real Beer Page.

Here's a quote for you: "Beer is liquid bread. Most American beers are like Wonderbread. What we're brewing here is like a good rye or pumpernickel." -- Mark Stutrud, founder and owner of Summit Brewing Company.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Turtle
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 04:16 PM

Ah, Summit! Now that I'm in Minneapolis, that's what I drink too . . . but I sure miss those days back in Vermont when my friend Suze (Susan A-R to you) and I would drink local micro-brews: Magic Hat No. 9, Otter Creek Christmas Porter, and Long Trail Ale . . . those were the days, right Suze?

We used to say there were four food groups: beer, coffee, chocolate, and garlic. We figured they were pretty balanced because two were liquid and two were solid . . . often our goal in an evening or a weekend was to make sure we got to all four food groups . . .

Turtle


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: SeanM
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 04:20 PM

Max, I knew I liked you for good reason.

Sam Smith's just about anything is a good call... the only caveat is that some stores will let it sit out in full light (comes in clear bottles), and it will get a bit skunky in that case.

However, if you deal with reputable beer sellers, the Sam Smith Imperial stout is my all time favorite stout... the Samuel Smith pales are decent, and the Nut Brown Ale is an all around good brew.

Barring that, I've an affinity for Boddington's Pub Ale. Strangeways, here we come, indeed.

M


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: bob jr
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 04:32 PM

ive been trying to get some answers bout some folk tunes here and i get some and i dont get others but i guess i should have been asking about beer here and go to the local brewery and see if they got any folk singers there


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: SeanM
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 04:36 PM

Well, Bob Jr, we do our best to answer what we see, and my apologies if you're sincere and haven't had your questions answered. I (and a few other 'catters) been trying to keep unanswered Lyr Req threads refreshed until it's obvious we're all stumped, and Pene Azul especially deserves credit for being a research demon in getting SO MANY questions answered.

As for finding folk singers at a brewery, have you seen the prices at brew pubs lately??? Ain't no way you're gonna catch a folksinger in there unless they're on stage or bussing tables.

And as to folksongs about beer, anyone for a round of "Beer, Beer, Beer"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Morticia
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 04:48 PM

Wadworth's 6x is wonderful but proportionally less so the furher from Devizes you get....Hogs Back Tea is also fab and only sold aroound here, I think,, ( you can say I'm going for Tea and mean it) and Adnams Broadside is probably my favourite of all time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Hollowfox
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 05:22 PM

bob jr, are you the guest that started this thread? This is the first time I've seen your name (welcome, BTW). For drinking songs, I'd start out with the Tale of Ale CD set, unless you can get to a folk club or festival. This type of song is usually better live than recorded. I can't think of any other recordings devoted solely to the subject of drinking right now, but If I think of any, I'll put it up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 05:32 PM

As far as I'm concerned Guiness is only worth drinking while breastfeeding and should never be drunk cold!!! In fact no beer should be served cold except lager but that doesn't count and has to be drunk cold to hide the flavour. My favourite tipple is a pint of Old Peculiar as the song goes. Also drinking in the Jug which regularly receives awards from CAMRA I can strongly recommend Just 4 U - the house speciality brewed by The Brown Cow brewery in Selby. Their No 4 is also well worth a pint or several and whilst Maiden Over is not my personal favourite it gets the vote of many Juggers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 06:07 PM

I normally drink Guinness if I go out and I think it is a nice pint in the UK but not as good as the Dublin brewed stuff. With regards temperature, I think that Guinness does need to be a little colder than a real ale but the Guinness Extra Cold that a lot of pubs round here offer is too cold.

Some of my favourite bitters: Ruddles County, Abbot Ale, Bass, Norton Old Hookey, Wadsworth 6X.

Worst bitters; Robinsons, Wherry.

For something to drink at home, I am quite fond of Newcastle Brown and McEwan's Export.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 06:19 PM

I tend to avoid the "killers" - all those strong bitters. Why drink one pint of those when you can drink 3 of something less strong? Which is why I tend not to do cider (that and the indigestion which seems to go with the apple acid).

No-one has mentioned "Flagship" beer brewed in Chatham dockyard, and they shoud have done. The beer is good and the names are exotic - including in particular "Frigging in the Rigging".

For the strangest tasting stuff (not nasty, just different, and very different indeed when relieving oneself after several) the vote would have to go to the USA fo Crazy Ed's Chilli beer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Gary T
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 06:36 PM

Richard, I've had some chili beer (home-brewed) and it wasn't too bad. Wouldn't be my first choice, for it is indeed strange as you say--I think it would take some getting used to.

The mention of bitters reminds me that I enjoy Foster's Bitter (comes in the large "oil can" here in the States). Unfortunately it's hard to find, while their lager (boring) is readily available.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: rangeroger
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 07:48 PM

To keep this thread somewhat on a musical note, John Prine does a song on his "German Afternoons" CD called "Out of Love" The lyrics are made up of beer commercial slogans.
rr


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: bob jr
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 08:00 PM

sean m you folks here do a wonderful job i didnt mean to sound cranky i was trying to be funny but i guess i need to work on it! anyways now i have to take umbridge with people who say that bear aint good cold. if you live somewhere where it aint hot like england then you dont need the cooling effects of a frosty cold one but where i live it gets damn hot and beers got to be cold and plentiful and nobody ever ask to have an egg put in it. i like corona with a lime slice squeezed into it. think i will go get me one right now! cheers


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: rangeroger
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 08:04 PM

bobjr,
to repeat my comment from the "worst car"thread, the reason the British like warm beer is because they have Lucas refrigeration systems.
rr


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: rangeroger
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 08:07 PM

PS
I personally prefer a frigid Heinekins.That is,in addition to the vile black stuff.
rr


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST,art
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 08:07 PM

half pint of bottled abbot+half pint st. edmunds ale

i defy anyone to have more than 3 pints

known locally as loony brew

cheers

bil


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 08:18 PM

Looney brews - "Blastaway", Diamond White cider and a Castaway is the most potent I can think of. Also, "Snake Bite, any bitter and any cider gets to most people.

As for me, I'm coming out of a very alcholic period of my life and while I still enjoy a couple of pints, I am steering clear of that sort of drink and most of the time I just settle for a couple of cans at home - I hope do manage to keep it under control and don't go back to what I had been doing.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST,art
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 08:25 PM

jon

know what you mean

worst i got was a measure of scotch in a half of cider

but not for 30 years

good luck to ya

cheers

bill


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: SeanM
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 11:02 PM

Thanks, bobjr. Sorry if I came across upset.

In the meantime, I'll add another... Snakebites!

Half guiness, half really good cider.

Sacriledge to the guiness people, sacriledge to the cider people, but heaven if you're up for that kind of thing.

M


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: bob jr
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 11:12 PM

ok i am gonna add another one too ! you folks ever tried red dragon? now that is a cool summertime beer its a bit sweet but it does the job double quick time !


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: JenEllen
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 11:16 PM

In addition to the black stuff at the Keg and Cork, I've grown quite fond of this place and their Nut Brown Ale.

Explosion story? A few years ago after apple-cider pressing, my friend Nate tried to make some 'atomic cider' in a crock in the pantry.....I really miss him. :)

~Elle


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 12:06 AM

I like lagers and I like them really cold. German beers generally have good snap, and I like a touch of the skunk in them. St Pauli and Beck's lagers are great on a warm day. Carlsberg also is a good crisp lager with a clean finish. Most American Micros are a bit sweet for my taste although two Colorado brews are as good as any: Fat Tire and Breckenridge's Avalanche (though inconsistant batch-to-batch). The best Mexican light lager is Dos Equis light, and I have no clue as to the popularity of Corona- seems wholly dependant on the quality of the lime. Some Mexican amber beers are very good. Both Bohemia and Negro Modelo hold their own with any German dark beers. I think English Bitter Ale is terrific. I enjoy Boddington's, Flower's, Adnam's Broadside, and Newkie Brown.

Having said all that, I will confess that the best beer I've had in ages was a frigid Budweiser draw served in a frosted mug in a dusty hot bar in Clayton, New Mexico by a beautiful Spanish girl.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 12:17 AM

wouldn't you know BEER would get 60 messages in one day!...*grin*

I live in an area where I can find bottled beer from all over the world, and have 600-700 different emptys to remind me of my sins!...I do love Sam Smiths...and Belgian Ales...and chewy Stouts and Porters...I'd be hard put to choose one favorite. There is, however a brewery in Texas that I'd love to live next door to; and they make this..Celis Grand Cru ......and several others from recipes developed in Belgium...YUM!


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Sorcha
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 12:28 AM

Grand Crus BEER?


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 12:32 AM

Homebrew for me. I make a mean Honey Wheat Ale.

Guinness is the secret of life. It is not overated. My die-in-the-wool New York City father-in-law made a trip to Ireland last month and finally understands what I have been talking about.

I can think of nothing more delightful then sitting in a pub with a nice poured pint and a wonderful session. That is where I want to spend my final hours!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Metchosin
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 12:32 AM

I love Kilkenny.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Rollo
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 01:20 AM

Good Toppick, dizz. Ba - Bear, I meen.

Dshust hand me anuffer un, willya?

And here's my collection of wisdom:

When you're in Hamburg/Germany, don't drink "Holsten", drink "Astra". It's a question of beeing on the right side. You might be seen while drinking your beer.

Someone mentioned "Wiesenbier"? Forget it, you'll need liters and liters to filter some taste of that stuff.

Guinness? the Danish can do better. There are some really good "Stowt" coming from there. But they also have an excellent Pilsner called "Fuglsang".

Never touch that Stuff from Cologne. They say in Cologne drinking some "Koelsch" is like angels urinating on your tongue. I believe it's not so far from the truth. Colognians might have to explain a lot if ever someone finds out what's happening behind their brewery doors.

Man should try those strong "Starkbier" (strong beer), because beyound 12 % vol.alc there starts a new beer experience. Have you ever been experienced? But my alltime favorite is a bitter beer from Dortmund called "Hoevels". Dark and tasty.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Terry K
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 01:59 AM

I've been blessed with living near St Albans (the home of CAMRA) these past 30 years so have been spoilt for choice in drinking "real" beers. As an ex-Northerner, I can tell you that this "northern beer is best" myth is a lot of bollox (and probably always was).

Most places I go in the north these days seem to live on top pressure, hence earlier references to John Smith's Smooth, Ruddles (now brewed by a supermarket conglomerate brewer in Abingdon) and, Lord preserve us, that p**s heavily marketed under the name Boddington's.

The best remain;

Adnams (every time, but so rare except around Southwold) London Pride (readily available and reliable) CBB (but watch for similarly named top pressure) Youngs (but mainly served in London pubs, most of which don't give a stuff about condition).

Guinness or Murphy's is my favourite weekend lunchtime brew - usually apres-golf. There is a disturbing trend towards something which looks similar, called Beamish, which is awful.

Many people think because Guinness is black it must be heavy and strong - it is neither, just very smooth, light and refreshing. It is better in Ireland but I believe that is mainly contextual rather than any real difference in taste.

All in all, the brewing industry is in really bad shape as more and more of the old brands become tools in the hands of the marketing men and mundane products seem to be the order of the day. And all of the "foreign" lager is now brewed in the UK under licence so it all now tastes the same.

Enough.

Cheers, Terry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: coriander
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 03:56 AM

This thread made me peer mournfully in the fridge at the solitary bottle of cheap French lager that somehow found its way there!

I'd vote for London Pride, Old Speckled Hen, Hogsback TEA, and always look for Robinsons Old Tom when at beer festivals!

I am possibly the only beer drinker in Sussex who doesn't particularly rate Harveys.....

cori


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Gervase
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 10:57 AM

England's better draught beers are indeed grand, but I'm a big fan of mixing bottle and draught, or just plain mixing.
Adnams Old and bitter mixed half and half (known locally, naturally, as 'the mother-in-law') is one of winter's joys. On the other hand, years ago, in a chilly wooden-walled club in Lowestoft I used to refuel on a mix of Guinness and barley wine (lethal), or the odd Dog's Nose (a shot of gin in a pint of bitter) Right now it's a bottle of Worthington White Shield (with all the yeast at the bottom) And it's grand - crisp, dry and nutty.
But whatever beer you like - and it's as individual as taste in music; after all, some poor benighted heathens choose to drink processed crud as well as listen to it - keep enjoying it and singing its praises!
Cheers


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Mooh
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 12:53 PM

Questions...

Who wrote/performed "I like Beer" (it makes me feel mellow etc)?

Why are hangovers much worse with lousy preservative-ridden beer than with homebrew or "pure" beer?

I have a tres cool beer mug of hand thrown pottery which I purchased from the Creemore brewery. It holds over two beers for fewer trips to the fridge. What do YOU like to drink from?

Still thirsty, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Mbo
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 01:09 PM

Mooh, "I Like Beer" is by Tom. T. Hall. I sang it on HearMe on Wednesday night. Good song. You can get the lyrics & chords here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: bobby's girl
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 02:16 PM

I have to agree that Timothy Taylor's Landlord is one of the best, but I'm surprised to see (unless I've missed it) that no-one's mentioned Theakstons Old Peculier - not only is it a great beer, it's got a really good song written about it by Keith Marsden, and sung by Cockersdale!


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Mooh
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 07:45 PM

Mbo, thanks. It's been years since I heard it sung. Last time was by a great band called Pigbone (who also had great promo posters), I often wonder what happened to them. Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 08:22 PM

Well, there shoud be a few more songs here, I think.The one I'd like tompost is Posions Beer, wich dopesn't seem to be in the DT. Buit all I can remember is part of the chorus:

Fancy calling it "Poison", narsty names like "Poison Beer," with that I carn't agree. For I've drunk gallons and gallons and gallons of beer - and it never did poison me

So maybe someone who knows the rest off it can share it with us.

As for beer - I used to think I hated lager, and then I went on a town twinning trip to the Czech Republic, and tried the stuff they make there.

I'm surprised noone mentioned Czech beer. Wonderful stuff - lots of varieties, and I'd love to work at finding out which are the best. There's one called Radegast which they make in Moravia, in a if modern pant, but it tastes as good as the older breweries - but you can't seem to get it over here.

And they make the real Budweiser - Budweiser Budvar they ghave to call it, because there's that stuff they make in Amwerica which uses the name as well. But the Budweiser Budvar bears no resemblance to that at all, except in colour.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Bugsy
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 11:19 PM

Morticia, at7.5%alchohol, I'm not surprised Abbott doesn't like you!

Still their IPA is pretty good. So is their Mild as I remember.

On the whole, looks like us Mudcatters are a load of Pissheads!

Cheers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Susan A-R
Date: 18 Jun 00 - 09:34 AM

Ah, Vermont now has a host of nifty microbreweries doing good things. Otter Creek, Trout River (a new one we'll have to sample when you get here in September Turtle.) Tunbridge (I think she's still brewing good stuff) Magic Hat (Not my favorite, but if you like sweeter flavors, they do interesting stuff and the labels are amazing). Alas, I have been scrounging through seven/elevens looking for the last remaining six packs of Catamount Porter, but rumor has it they may be bought, and kept pretty much as-is by Harpoon. Let's all hope so.

Now, we should start the favorites on the other three food groups don'5 you think? Chocolate favorites, garlic favorites, coffee favorites. Food, drink and music are pretty inseperable in my book.

Susan A-R


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: RichM
Date: 18 Jun 00 - 10:38 AM

My preference tends toward lagers, though I do enjoy a stout occasionally. But I mostly drink bottled beers that are made from what I call unprocessed water: from springs, or made in small cities that have relatively clean water. Most of the bottled beers here in Ottawa are made in Toronto, with city water.

I will NOT drink any bottled beer made from city water from Toronto or Montreal.

Rich


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: kendall
Date: 18 Jun 00 - 11:57 AM

Dundee's honey brown lager...ICE COLD


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: death by whisky
Date: 18 Jun 00 - 12:00 PM

I'd go for a pint of Old Bastard,Brains S.A or Ffelinfoel (hope thats spelt right).Guiness is nice but I'd like a bit of choice


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: kendall
Date: 18 Jun 00 - 12:03 PM

banjo bonnie, to answer your question, according to Dr. Atkins, beer bellies are caused by too much carbohydrates. He claims it is the carbo's that pack the weight on, not fat in the diet. Beer is loaded with carbohydrates. I tried his diet, and, it works, but, I got tired of bacon and eggs every day. Ken Hicks said he went on a two week diet and lost 14 days.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: BanjoRay
Date: 18 Jun 00 - 08:01 PM

Nice to see Felinfoel and Brain's S.A. mentioned. In South Wales the former is usually referred to as Feelin' Foul, while a friend of mine used to have a saying: "Lose a Day with Brain's S.A."
Cheers
Ray


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jun 00 - 08:19 PM

Nobody's mentioned home brew yet. Rarely good stuff.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: kendall
Date: 18 Jun 00 - 09:19 PM

rarely, is right!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 18 Jun 00 - 10:26 PM

My favourite is a pint of Drambuie Shandy. Or a nice cheese daiquiri, or if I'm in the mood for something a little more avant-garde, a litre of tuna colada. All the best. Seamus


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Mooh
Date: 18 Jun 00 - 10:31 PM

Correction McGrath of Harlow, I mentioned home brew, but I'm also masochistic. Early attempts at home brew were exercises in futility and creative poisoning. These days I brew it, shall I say "off site", but it is no differently brewed than how I'd do it at home. I'm thinking about moving the process home, for the sake of convenience. No luck at all with wheat beers but a sort of Rickard's Red-ish brew is quite tastey, and much better than big factory beers, to my taste.

Gee, this is inspiring, think I'll pour a tall one...Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 18 Jun 00 - 11:00 PM

Kendall, I am so happy you answered my questions.
For a while there I was worried I had asked something forbidden.
So I guess what you are saying is, if a man were to put on weight, he is most likely to gain it in his belly because that is where most of the fat cells are just waiting to inflate.

I must say this thread has been very helpful. I did not know much about beers. So after following this thread I went to the liquor store where the manager explained that lagers are less bitter than ales and bock/porters are sweeter and have more alcohol content. I even picked up some NewCastle to see the difference in quality.
Haven't tried it yet, but I am looking forward to tasting a beer that is highly recommended.

Many thanks
Bonnie


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 19 Jun 00 - 03:49 AM

For light beers, try the German brand " Bitburger." For dark, as many have posted, nothing beats Guinness. I'd put Old Peculiar somewhere up there.


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Subject: Lyr Add: BEER, BEER, BEER^^
From: Ringer
Date: 19 Jun 00 - 04:59 AM

A long time ago, way back in history,
When all they had to drink was nothing but cups of tea,
Along came a bloke by the name of Charlie Mopps,
And he invented a wonderful drink and he made it out of hops (hops hops hops hops, etc).

Chorus:
He ought to have been an Admiral, a Sultan or a King
And to his praises we shall always sing.
Look what he has done for us: he's filled us with good cheer.
God bless Charlie Mopps, the man who invented beer.

Here in Chesterfield [substitute your own locale] we drink beer a lot.
Down Whittington Moor [ditto] on a Saturday night, the pace gets rather hot.
We'll drink a half, or sometimes two, it's cool and fresh and clear:
God bless Charlie Mopps, the man who invented beer.

Chorus

The Admiral, the Connaught, the Hole in the Wall as well;
No matter what their name is, it's Charlie's beer they sell.
So come along, my lively lads, at eleven o'clock they stop:
For five short seconds, remember Charlie Mopps. (One... two... three, four, five)

Chorus

Music-hall, I presume, though I've only ever heard it from the singing of the late, great Dick Rendall, one time Squire of Manchester Morris Men. And I don't even know it's official title.^^


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: sian, west wales
Date: 19 Jun 00 - 05:38 AM

Ah, I'm a committed Felinfoel Mild drinker ... even though they changed the recipe a couple of years ago, and it isn't quite as nice. They serve Brains Dark in the RAFA club ... almost a reason for joining.

But the nice tipple(s) locally (Towy Valley) is/are those of the Thomas Watkins micro-brewery, soon to move from Llandeilo to Swansea. Very drinkable.

There used to be some lovely stuff up Llanfair's way: Wems SA? I heard that they were bought out some years back and it ain't the same ...

I had some decent drinking a few years back in St. Johns, Newfoundland from a micro-brewery just on the edge of the city. Can't remember it's name; the brew was called 18??. Let's hear it for micro breweries...

sian


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 19 Jun 00 - 06:07 AM

I live in Wales but have never got to try Felinfoel or Brains as they are not sold in my area. One of the nicest bitters (IMO) I have ever tasted was Pedwar Bawd (Four Thumbs) from Denbigh. I believe it is still brewed but elesewhere now and presumably must taste different to the drink I liked.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 19 Jun 00 - 09:53 AM

Ah my second favorite subject.

Tanglefoot (Hall and Woodhouse, Blandford, Dorset)and Golden Champion (ditto).

John Devenish - formerly just Devenish, now sadly molested and bastardised into something that should be spelled XXXX (Devenish Brewery, Weymouth, Dorset - now sadly closed)

Royal Oak (Eldridge Pope Brewery, Dorchester, Dorset)

Palmers Best (Palmers Brewery, Bridport, Dorset)

Oh, and Spitfire (Shepherd Neame, can't remember but not Dorset).

And people wonder why I had our wedding reception in the aforemention Eldridge Pope Brewery......

Micca's SO has an excellent recipe for beer muffin (nice work if you can get it) that will be in the Mudcats' Just Desserts, as soon as I get it up and running, hopefully this summer.

And of course where would we be without Young's Double Chocolate......

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Gervase
Date: 19 Jun 00 - 10:02 AM

So, Liz, you CAN actually claim to have organised a piss-up in a brewery!


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST,TomK
Date: 19 Jun 00 - 10:57 AM

As many beers for as many tastes it seems. Bell's Amber Ale is a fine drink from Kalamazoo, Michigan here in the states. The only brewery I know of in USA that bottle conditions all their products. A noticable difference from pumped in CO2. Plus, you get the added nutrional benefit of the yeast in the bottom. Love those B vitamins! PROST!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: jeffp
Date: 19 Jun 00 - 11:16 AM

Homebrew CAN be awful or excellent, depending on the amount of care put into the process. It has been my experience (12 5-gallon batches) that kit brews do not measure up at all. I far prefer the recipes that my wife and I have come up with on our own, the best one being a pale ale quite similar to Sierra Nevada. We get micro quality at macro prices. Waiting for it to condition into drinkability is torture, however!

jeffp


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Melani
Date: 19 Jun 00 - 08:20 PM

The best I ever had in my life is Fraoch Heather Ale. Old Peculiar is great if you like to chew your beer and pour it on pancakes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Mbo
Date: 19 Jun 00 - 08:27 PM

Ahh, who else has seen the infamous "Beer on Tap" sketch from Mystery Science Theater 3000? Classic!

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: death by whisky
Date: 20 Jun 00 - 06:59 AM

I felt foul in the Butchers Arms,San Cler,Dyfed on a number of occasions.I went straight for the double dragon,while my favourite pint of S.A was consumed on a Sunday lunchtime in the garden of the Royal Oak,Broadway,Cardiff,whilst listening to the Superclarkes. Since we're talking about beer I can't really mention the reddish liquid we concocted from Ribena,drank the night before we went up to the bog to turn turf. Thankfully we saved(NO THATS NOT TRUE WE JUST COULDN'T DRINK ANY MORE)some to take with us.My friend visiting was under the impression we were going to be doing something with those squares of grass that you might see Alan tichmarsh? messing about with in someone elses garden Barley Wine.How can you call it wine ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST,art
Date: 20 Jun 00 - 07:44 AM

all this talk of micro's has made me curious

just how much capital would it take to set one up?


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: PoohBear
Date: 21 Jun 00 - 02:14 AM

You might like to try the Terminator Stout from McMinimen's in Portland OR, or the Imperial Stout from the High Desert Brew Pub in Las Cruces NM....lovely place to spend time drinking a pint, talking with whoever's around, listening to some local musicians. And, they don't kill the flavor by serving it too cold.

damn, now i'm thirsty!

PB


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Petr
Date: 21 Jun 00 - 08:32 PM

LonesomeEj if you like lagers Id recommend Czeching out Czech beers. Pilsner Urquell one of the worlds oldest (if not the oldest) brews since 1292. Or the real Budweiser brewed in the Czech city Ceske Budejovice (Budweis). Annheuser Busch has been trying to suppress the Czech breweries from marketing the real Budweiser named after the town instead of the pi** brewed in the states. But they are the biggest brewery in the world and have more money for lawyers, although recently they lost in England and the only beer allowed to use the Budweiser name there is the Czech one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Terry K
Date: 22 Jun 00 - 12:30 AM

Interesting to note how many people advocate the extra strong beers that are marketed so well. What I tend to find is that the strong beers are ordered mainly by posers ("look what a great drinker I am") who sip their way through two half pints over a full evening. Give me a good "session beer" anytime so you can drink heavily all night!

Cheers, Terry


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Alice
Date: 22 Jun 00 - 01:21 AM

There is one here called Moose Drool.
I'm not much of a drinker, but I do like a brand called Grasshopper, from just north of the Montana border in Canada. The best beer I had was in El Salvador. I loved the label on the bottle, too, so I brought an empty bottle back to Montana. The label is an Ace of Hearts, and it just says Pilsener Lager Bier. This is from back in 1978, so I don't know if the brewery still exists.

Alice in Montana


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Amergin
Date: 22 Jun 00 - 01:29 AM

I wouldn't call myself a poser. I like the strong beers and I like to drink many of them during an evening. Nothing like drinking until I'm tripping over my tied shoelaces. In Astoria, Oregon there's a brewpub called the Wet Dog Cafe. Great wonderful beer they have there. Used to drink this one called Peacock Spit, was so good and the damn thing would knock you on your ass. Ahh the times I would stumble a couple of miles or so back home singing at the top of my lungs. Only got stopped once. The cop after making sure there were no warrants out on me told me to party on as he laughingly crawled back into his car and drove off. Astoria was a great town to live in...


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: WyoWoman
Date: 22 Jun 00 - 01:54 AM

Sorry to disappoint, Terry K, but I just like the flavor of the darker beers, generally the stouter the better. But I also like to sample other stuff at whatever brew pub I happen to visit. I just did a half-century bike ride a couple of weeks ago and had my best time ever. I credit this to my training regimen, which was fiendishly simple: I drank a lot of beer for three nights in a row before the ride and stayed up dancing until the clubs closed. Before, I had followed the recommended regimen and avoided alcohol, ate pasta and got a good night's sleep before the ride. I much prefer the beer/dancing regimen. I might try smoking a lot of cigarettes before the next ride, just to see how far this technique can go...

Anyone here ever tried Chimay ale? Mmmmm.

Is Fat Tire a local beer here in the Mountain states? I think it's dependably good.

WyoWoman


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: IanC
Date: 22 Jun 00 - 04:27 AM

I've never been one for strong beers either, except under exceptional circumstances (e.g. Speckled Hen after bellringing for a wedding on a Saturday afternoon).

One of my favourites is McMullen's AK. Called a bitter, but more of a bitter-coloured mild. Only 3.7% alcohol. You can drink it all day!

Cheers!IanC


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Ringer
Date: 22 Jun 00 - 05:31 AM

So, IanC: another bellringing folkie who sticks (usually) to the less strong beers? And I thought I was the only one! Where do you ring (I don't recognise McMullens, so no clue there), and what? My home tower is Old Whittington near Chesterfield, a 5cwt 6, pn Friday. At the prompting of my son, a much more accomplished ringer than me, we rang a quarter of Trinity Sunday TB Minor there last Sunday Eve (which was Trinity Sunday).


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: IanC
Date: 22 Jun 00 - 05:40 AM

Hi BE. Perhaps we should start a bellringing thread - it's folk music after all.

I'm from Ashwell, Herts. 19cwt 6. Don't have much scope for fancy methods. Plain Bob, Reverse Canterbury, Little Bob, St. Simons and some Stedman & Kent.

McMullen's is a local brewery in Hertford. Been around a while. Produces nothing flash, but beers generally excellent.

Cheers!IanC


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Ulli
Date: 22 Jun 00 - 07:23 AM

Well, what about this beer which is brewed in a little mountain village in Austria? Something extraordinary!

http://www.brauerei-egg.at/


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Mooh
Date: 22 Jun 00 - 08:01 AM

Alice mentioned Grasshopper which we occasionally get here in Ontario. It's from the Big Rock Brewery in Alberta where other good beers are born, my favourite of which is Warthog. They've got a pale ale called Chinook which I haven't tried but should.

Drink up! Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 22 Jun 00 - 12:42 PM

Petr, I've just gone out and bought a can of our UK Bud. It says on the label "Beer brewed by Budweiser Stag, brwing company Ltd London" so I assume it is brewed over here. It also says "Brewed by our origaal process from the chociest Hops, Rice and best barley male Anheus-Busch, Inc, St Louis, Mo, USA". All I know is that I wish I hadn't decieded to give it another try, it is horrible IMO.

TerriK, I have to dissagree with you over your thoughts on strong beers. I generally go for flavour. If I go out, I normally drink Guiness (and I like other stouts) which is 4.1. When I drink bitter, I tend to find the weaker ones a little bland - most of the ones I like tend to be around the 5 mark. This vile Bud I have just bought is 5.0, a similar strengh to the bitters I like, is very heavily marked but is IMO crap.

If I really wanted to get pissed out of my brains on a beeer, I would be advocating something like Carlesberg Special brew at around 9% - I've done it and believe me it is potent stuff but I don't think that is anything to be proud of.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Fiddlin' Big Al
Date: 23 Jun 00 - 04:18 AM

Guinness - like drinking pumpernickel bread - also provides the ability to tell one celtic fiddle tune from another and the power to see the little folkies - health food beer at its finest Bud - you gotta know why they have those big beerwagon horses Hamm's - ditto the big beer bear Schmidt's - ditto whatever wildlife appears on the can - walleye whiz? Moosedrool - now there's a concept


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: WyoWoman
Date: 23 Jun 00 - 12:11 PM

I certainly view drinking beer from a health-food perspective. The darker the beer, the richer the nutrition, I always say. And after a long bike ride, you simply MUST replace your selenium with a good, long draught of beer.

Now, here's a thought: A friend sent me one of those e-mail quizzes in which you were asked to name your favorite beverages, etc. And then it "typed" you according to your choices (it was for women). Because I said I enjoy beer, it put me in the "low-maintenance" category, which is fairly accurate. Women who chose lady-like little drinkies or bottled water only were high maintenance. Those who only drink champagne or vintage wines were labeled "Fugedaboudit..."

So is there a relationship between whether one likes beer, what kind of beer one likes and one's relative degree of prissiness? Hmmm? What do you think?

ww


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Jun 00 - 04:54 PM

Much to the dismay of the Heineken drinking college students who recently invaded my hoe, I go for quantity before quality. Hence Wicked Ale at $1.99/six pack and Genesee Cream (which is not half bad) for $2.99.

I'd rather have Jack Daniels on the rocks.

Despite my dislike for the golden brew, I would like to recruit one of our more knowledgeable guzzlers to plan and price a micro-brewery for The House of the Setting Sun Rest Home. It will probably work out cheaper in the long run than lithium and we can still count on an occasional if sloshy performance from imbibers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Jun 00 - 04:55 PM

That's HOME not hoe. Freudian slip. With all the bedrooms full I feel like I am running a cathouse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 07:12 PM

I recently discovered a very flavorful pilsner at my local liquor store. Called Czech Rebel, it has similarities to Pilsner Urquell, but without the underlying sweet taste. I highly recommend it if you like a refreshing and tasty beer on a hot summer day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: WyoWoman
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 03:31 PM

And I just discovered "Salvator Double Bock" a knock-yo-on-yo-ass dark one. I sat on my porch last evening as the sun was going down, playing my guitar, drinking my almost-vile black stuff and having a delicious fin-del-dia experience.

Nummy.

WW


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Susie
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 03:47 PM

Only available locally in Cumbria - a tiny brewery (guided tours on Wednesdays), now owned by the village of Hesket Newmarket (nothing to do with me.)They make CAMRA award beers (U.K. Mudcatters will understand), all named after the local Lake District fells e.g Great Cockup. One exception in name - Doris' 90th - a special recipe made for the brewer's wife's mother's 90th birhtday (since died, RIP Doris), (all apostrophies in the right places, I hope?) - it takes a strong stomach to drink more than a couple of these.

I tried a half pint of Doris' 90th once - never again. Those with stronger stomachs will enjoy.

Susie


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Irish Rover
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 04:29 PM

ah the old days when you got booze instead of tips. the black stuff and a tully chaser. none of it tastes the same anymore even the big G I had in Ireland didnot taste the same. what happened to it. did they sell out the brewery? or just sell out? I know why it tastes poor here, never been very good out of the bottle(even in Ireland) but this stuff was out of the tap.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: John J
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 01:13 PM

Black Sheep, more black Sheep, Timothy Taylors Landlord, Burton Ale, and a strange brew I had while singing in a pub in Derbyshire (that's in England you know, Honeydripper. Very nice falling over juice. There's loads more but I'm off to the pub for a play and a sing (The Railway in Heatley, near Lymm, Cheshire, if anybody fancies a trip out).


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST,Ezdel
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 01:46 PM

I second Yuengling Lager as the best American Lager. Did anyone mention Rogue Dead Guy Ale. They make a bunch of great beers (forget the chocholate beer.)

I've had good luck making beer but stay away from any kits that used dry powder extract. I wouldn't use the beer for slug bait.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Fortunato
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 03:49 PM


Piss heads,Bugsy? Is that a compliment? What does it mean?

Pissup, Gervase? Piss up what?

Brendy, I entered the contest, only to find out it's only for those who live in the UK! Anyway, for whom would 365 beers be a year's supply? NOT THIS BUNCH OBVIOUSLY.

I confess a preference for beers from the UK. This fall I will finally reach the UK. I plan test the common opinion that the REAL BEERs taste better on home soil.

I plan a full investigation. I'll be calling for investigative support as B-day approaches.
All seriousness aside, Fortunato


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 04:09 PM

No beer suits every circumstance. The season, the temperature, the food, the occasion all play a part in the experience, of course.

I've never really had a stout I enjoyed as much as the over-the-bar Irish brands. I drank a fair amount of Beamish last weekend in France with a combined force of Irish, Welsh and American singers and drinkers. The Tara Bar in Brest also had Guinness and Murphy's on tap but Beamish pleased everyone most.

I spent a lot of my life in the Midlands of England where mild (ale) is still drunk. I still like mild when I want to find my bed on my own at the end of the night. There are a lot of good bitters mentioned above. I usually call for the lower alcohol ones nowadays.

My favorite Canadian ale is O'Keefe's.

Of Continental beers, I like Tuborg Green and Gamle Carlsberg in Scandinavia, Spaten helles and just about any German alt beer. There is so much good beer around Belgium and in Pilsen that I wouldn't know when to stop writing about it.

There is plenty of good beer in America now too... and some awful stuff swilling out of brew pubs as well. Of the old line manufacturers, I like 2 of America's oldest in Wilkes-Barre and Potsville, Pennsylvania. Max and Bert do too.

But what beer do you drink with pizza... give me a Coors... tastes most like Perrier.

All the best,
Dan Milner


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 04:22 PM

Embarassing but true: I had my FIRST Guiness draft last night. Life is good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 01:42 AM

Root beer?

---Lepus Rex


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