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BS: Dates worth singing about. . .

GUEST, (Not a very knowledgeable) Glam Rock Fan 03 May 00 - 09:14 PM
GUEST,Pete Peterson 03 May 00 - 03:28 PM
Bert 03 May 00 - 01:55 PM
Amos 03 May 00 - 01:51 PM
GUEST,Pete Peterson 03 May 00 - 01:35 PM
Amergin 03 May 00 - 01:24 PM
Marion 03 May 00 - 10:56 AM
Jed at Work 03 May 00 - 10:50 AM
Amos 03 May 00 - 09:39 AM
GUEST,Pete Peterson 03 May 00 - 09:34 AM
The Beanster 03 May 00 - 12:42 AM
Richard Bridge 02 May 00 - 07:05 PM
Wavestar 02 May 00 - 03:22 PM
Jed at Work 02 May 00 - 02:33 PM
TerriM 02 May 00 - 01:47 PM
TerriM 02 May 00 - 01:46 PM
Bert 02 May 00 - 01:27 PM
GUEST,Kelida at school. . . 02 May 00 - 12:32 PM
Amos 02 May 00 - 11:57 AM
Wesley S 02 May 00 - 11:01 AM
SINSULL 02 May 00 - 10:45 AM
Jon Freeman 02 May 00 - 09:05 AM
Mooh 02 May 00 - 08:13 AM
Amergin 02 May 00 - 01:59 AM
Amos 02 May 00 - 01:51 AM
GUEST,Old Member 02 May 00 - 01:36 AM
Amos 02 May 00 - 01:19 AM
GUEST, Threadie 02 May 00 - 12:38 AM
GUEST, rodeoclown37 02 May 00 - 12:27 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: GUEST, (Not a very knowledgeable) Glam Rock Fan
Date: 03 May 00 - 09:14 PM

But Amos, remember. What with life expectancy in 1381, a 15 year old 'youth' was actually a 'middle-aged man'


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: GUEST,Pete Peterson
Date: 03 May 00 - 03:28 PM

And was he a Boss, or had he picked up something from the apirit of the cottage? One can only hope.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Bert
Date: 03 May 00 - 01:55 PM

I used to have a boss who lived in Wat Tyler's Cottage in Brenchley, Kent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Amos
Date: 03 May 00 - 01:51 PM

Well, I did my own homework and learned that 1381 was the date of the short-lived Peasant's Rebellion led by Wat Tyler and John Ball against Richard II -- by the way a fifteen year old youth at the time.

A wonderful survey of English history can be found at this site, which provides source documents from major milestones in medieval history -- including a wonderful letter from Joan of Arc to her English enemies. Talk about dates worth singing about, there are scores of them just in the one resource!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: GUEST,Pete Peterson
Date: 03 May 00 - 01:35 PM

thanks-- or rather, sad to bring up old memories. That WAS a pretty good dream wasn't it? Amos-- 1381 was the year of the Peasant's Revolt in England-- can you tell which side wrote the history books? one of their marching songs went: When Adam delved, and Eve span, Kyrie eleison
Who was then the gentleman? Kyrie eleison
a question no longer quite so important, but vital during the Middle Ages.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Amergin
Date: 03 May 00 - 01:24 PM

Actually 1973 was the year Pinochet took over Chile. Salvador Allende was murdered exactly a year before I was born.

Amergin


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Marion
Date: 03 May 00 - 10:56 AM

Kelida, here's a song you might enjoy. It comes from Brigadoon (the musical, not the place).

I like the way the heroine evolves from being an taken-advantage-of innocent to becoming a sly commentator on the men she encounters.

At sixteen years I was blue and sad
My father said I should find a lad
So I went out to become a wife
And found the real love of my life

His name it was Chris and the last was McGill
I met him one night picking flowers on the hill
He had lots of charm and a certain kind of touch
And a certain kind of eagerness that pleased me very much
So there neath the moon where romance often springs
I gave him my heart and a few other things
I don't know how long that I stayed there on the hill
But the moon had disappeared and so had Christopher McGill

So I went home and I thought I'd die
My father said, "Make another try,"
So I set out to become a wife
And found the real love of my life.

He came from the lowlands, the lowlands said he
I saw him and knew he was perfect for me
Just one thing that puzzled me and it always will
Was he told me he had heard about me from his friend McGill
We quick fell in love and went down by the creek
And after he said he'd be back in a week
And I thought he would, for now how was I to know That of all the lowland laddies there was never one as low?

I told my father the awful truth
He said, "What difference? You've got your youth"
So I set out to become a wife
And found the real love of my life.

He was a poet, a rhymer was he
He read me some verse he had written for me
He said they would move me, these poems from his pen
And how right he was because they moved me right into the glen
We stayed till the dawn came and lighted the sky
Then I shook his hand and I bid him goodbye
I never went back, for what I had heard was true
That a poet only writes about the things he cannot do

My pa said, "Careful of men who think
You'll be more certain with men who drink"
So I set out to become a wife
And found the real love of my life.

Oh, he was a soldier, a fine highland son
He told me about all the battles he'd won
He wasted his time telling me about his might
Cause one look at him decided me to not put up a fight
We skirmished for hours that night in the glen
The sword proved mightier than the pen
But then as we slept I snored to my dismay
And he thought it was a bugle and got up and marched away

My pa said, "Daughter, there must be one
A man who's true or too old to run"
So I'm still out to become a wife
And find the real love of my life.

Marion


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Jed at Work
Date: 03 May 00 - 10:50 AM

Richard Bridge - great comments!


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Amos
Date: 03 May 00 - 09:39 AM

John Ball rang which Bell? What is this event in 1381?

1973 was the year Richard Nixon fell, as I recall, or at least the scandal broke.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: GUEST,Pete Peterson
Date: 03 May 00 - 09:34 AM

About 50 posts back Amergin took the thread title literally and said 1381 and 1973 were dates when dreams died. Now I agree with 1381, when John Ball rang the bell, but can find nothing to remember about 1973 except the first energy crunch and gas lines. . . was THIS what you meant? the "loss of a dream" that comes from realizing the curve is not monotonic? what DID you mean? wondering is PETE at work


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: The Beanster
Date: 03 May 00 - 12:42 AM

Richard,

Not to thread creep too much but I think Montserrat ignored 50% of the equation when he made that statement, accurate, though it is--but I believe it applies to women, too. I don't think one can help sizing up someone else sexually even though, like he says, the potential "may be zero." Interesting thought, though...


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 May 00 - 07:05 PM

I found this thread late, but I do want to say: -

1. It is not really my place to say so, Kelida, for I have only been coming here a year or so, but I think you should be welcome. Do not be put off by some over-hostile reactions.

2. The attraction of the sexes (and sometimes its lack of mutuality) has probably been the basis of more song than any other single thing. It must be an appropriate subject for discussion here.

3. People go out with each other because they fancy each other and to pretend otherwise is unrealistic. It has been said (I think it might have been Montserrat) that "No man ever meets a woman without measuring the sexual potential between them. It may be zero but he still measures it." He was probably right (or would have been if speaking of heterosexual men meeting women - I suspect that for homosexual men, meeting men may be the same). Society creates obstacles to deciding in any sort of natural way whether and when to resolve the sexual tension created. Some women trade on it (not commercially and openly, I can respect that) but by playing games for advantage, and I think the less of them for it. Make up your mind, and be clear about it - and try not to change your mind it makes for problems. Also be aware of the problems which may be created.

4. It is perfectly possible for women to be sexually direct. I had better not specify who it was said to me (on a first date) "I think it's time we went to bed". It didn't often happen, I was glad it did, and I never respected her any less for it. It's fairly rare at 17, however.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Wavestar
Date: 02 May 00 - 03:22 PM

Kelida-

(Firmly ignoring thread creep and unkind sentiments...) Have you evern heard Christine Lavin's song, What was I thinking? Or Dar Williams' wonderful tale, which I recall having a long name and I have stupidly forgotten, about her leftist cannabis smoking boyfriend in college?

As for robber bride songs... this isn't strictly one, but I'm thinking of "Step it Out, Nancy"... now there's a woman who made her revenge. Or even Frankie and Johnny...

Relationships are the stuff music is made of.

-J


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Jed at Work
Date: 02 May 00 - 02:33 PM

just for the record; my comments were not directed at Harpgirl (who addressed the behaviour she objected firmly, and correctly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: TerriM
Date: 02 May 00 - 01:47 PM

I am so woefully tired of this stale old arguement going on and on and on....everything that can be said on BS threads, for and against, and people's right to chat and whether flaming should be ignored etc. etc. has all been said ad nauseum.Do we have finite space that only music can be discussed, do we have people who cannot get out of a thread if they open it( in spite of a BS signal) and must write something ,or read every part? Please can't we just ignore the flamers or the people who don't like BS threads but read them anyway and then feel they must comment on how much they don't like them? Attention is just making things worse and I for one, am very, very bored with it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: TerriM
Date: 02 May 00 - 01:46 PM

I am so woefully tired of this stale old arguement going on and on and on....everything that can be said on BS threads, for and against, and people's right to chat and whether flaming should be ignored etc. etc. has all been said ad nauseum.Do we have finite space that only music can be discussed, do we have people who cannot get out of a thread if they open it( in spite of a BS signal) and must write something ,or read every part? Please can't we just ignore the flamers or the people who don't like BS threads but read them anyway and then feel they must comment on how much they don't like them? Attention is just making things worse and I for one, am very, very bored with it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Bert
Date: 02 May 00 - 01:27 PM

Ok Guys, lay off of Harpgirl! She has just as much right to say she disapproves of this thread as Kelida had to start it in the first place. You can ignore a single posting in just the same way as you suggest that she ignore the thread.

Personally I think the thread is fine. I love the BS threads and I don't see anything wrong in discussing things with your friends.

Bert.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: GUEST,Kelida at school. . .
Date: 02 May 00 - 12:32 PM

Amos--It wasn't that song, but I think it may have been episode 30 or 31. I remembered it because MAx talked about how sometimes, being a man, it made him feel bad or something listening to a song that is an example of the bad ways men treat women, expecting sex all the time and stuff. . . Maybe I should just watch the episode again--I don't remember if he said the name of the song or not--I probably just don't remember. . .
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I will never understand why people always seem to respond most to threads that they don't agree with. Please forgive me if I'm wrong, but this seems like it would hurt the Mudcat more than any non-music-related BS ever could. I think the constant flaming is what turns me off most about the Mudcat, but then I think of the people who are kind and helpful and that have made my experience here enjoyable.

Old Member--I started coming here because I'm young (17) and I want to LEARN more about folk music. Believe me, I at least read all of the music-related threads, but if I have nothing to contribute, I don't feel the need to put in a useless post. I would rather just learn from everyone here, and I don't intend to offend anyone by this thread. I noticed however, that the thread on "cars to avoid" hasn't recieved the negative response that this thread has even though it is far less music related than this. Realise that I did ask about a song in my original post and that the thread was clearly labeled BS--it was not intended to be strictly music-related. Also, I haven't been here very long, and I am a learning musician and songwriter. I do play clarinet and write songs, so I am not wholey without musical background, but I don't have my computer set up for Hearme, so unfortunately I can't take part in that, however much I would like to. Why do act like the privelege to post to the forum should be restricted to only those who are in your opinion talented or have made major contributions (money or music)? In that case no new people would ever come here. . . Are we just not welcome?

Peace--Keli


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Amos
Date: 02 May 00 - 11:57 AM

Was that the Radio session he started with "Incandescent Pickle?" If so, its in the Songbook, K. Early Challenge stuff.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Wesley S
Date: 02 May 00 - 11:01 AM

Kelida - I wish I could help identify the song you asked about in your original post - it doesn't look like anyone else can either. I guess a lot of folks preferred to go down a different path than to answer your musical question. But one song came to mind for me. It's Robert Earl Keens folk- noir "The Road Goes On Forever and The Party Never Ends". In that one the waitress gets away with all the money and a new Mercedes but the "hero" is left in jail. Joe Ely does a great version of it. Check it out. Wesley S { happily married and damn glad I'm done with the dating rituals except for dating my lovely wife}


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: SINSULL
Date: 02 May 00 - 10:45 AM

Amos and Kelida,

I was joking. Hope I didn't offend.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 02 May 00 - 09:05 AM

Well Old Timer, I may live many miles away from Harpgirl but I have had the pleasure of "meeting" her in Hearme and I agree - she is a fine singer and player.

Jon

(who misses hg's contributions to the singing)


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Mooh
Date: 02 May 00 - 08:13 AM

Howdy all, my $.02 (Cdn funds),

I'm a little bewildered about all the complaints about this thread. After all, there has been ever so much music written concerning this very issue that that should be enough alone to justify the topic, even within the most restrictive parameters. So, I think Keli should just go ahead and use all this free material (in this thread) as song stuff, and I think I will too.

Much of what makes a song about relationships interesting, and makes it rise above the banal, is the stuff around it like the W5 (who what why when where) and exposure, rage and embarrassment and so on. Simple wining kills a song every time. I like this forum for its personalized approach, which helps the songwriter, if the songwriter will listen. Therefor for me it makes alot of sense to live one's life here in this forum, for life is what song is about.

Keli, thanks for making us talk.

Peace, and no spel-chek, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Amergin
Date: 02 May 00 - 01:59 AM

I am so proud of you, lad. Wish i can be so cool. You know I would make a contribution or two or three if I could play. Then, I'd be able to sing my own songs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Amos
Date: 02 May 00 - 01:51 AM

I am sorry, old Member, but I have always treated members of this group with respect, kindness and compassion; I treasure them. I love their wisdom, their singing, and their insights. I think the post above is one of the very few disrespectful messages -- altho it is mild --that I have ever posted.

But I fail to see how going into a thread and chastising everyone in it, and accusing them of degrading the environment, in the manner that harpgirl did above -- and BTW, I have every respect for her knowledge and intelligence and have read many of her past posts with great interest -- is anything but disrespectful in the extreme. Why would you begrudge a small number of people enjoying a conversation relating to something about their lives -- why would you even read past the first post if it was so uninteresting?

What is the real problem? Until it is named, in fact, I doubt you will find your exhortations improve things much. You are right. I do not get it. I do not see that the bitterness and sardonic superiority I see being brought to bear in this thread is worthy of this group, nor do I see it as an appropriate way to elevate the tone of the threads here.

Maybe you could tell me why it is that all this anger is coming up at this point? What is it you feel has gone?


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: GUEST,Old Member
Date: 02 May 00 - 01:36 AM

None of you seem to understand do you? If you find something you love, is it too much to ask to respect the history of the thing? Harpgirl has a history and all of you are making a history. You don't have to be great but you need to be respectful of all the work that has gone into this site by knowledgable members and not clog things up with wasted words.

Out of curiosity, have any of you made a donation to Max and Dick? I have on numerous occasions and I'm now thinking that a membership here might rid the place of this kind of thing. A little bit of censorship is in order to at least keep the threads more topical.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Amos
Date: 02 May 00 - 01:19 AM

Ain't we just awful critical! What a powerful contribution! I am just so impressed at the intelligence and sensitivity of it all, why, I could just roll over and barf. Telling people what they should and should not communicate to others willing to listen is a pretty high-handed, condescending, and sanctimonious. Is that the tone of the long-lost Mudcat that was? Why bother posting it? Seems awful short on compassion, courtesy and basic Mudcat kindness, you ask me.

Kelida, I have appreciated both your musical contributions and your threads of human attention very much, and hope you will feel confident about communicating more, rather than less.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: GUEST, Threadie
Date: 02 May 00 - 12:38 AM

"but I do know that change is inevitable"

Is that right now, Beano?????

There should be a five dollar fine for instigating this drivel


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: GUEST, rodeoclown37
Date: 02 May 00 - 12:27 AM

Click Here


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: JedMarum
Date: 02 May 00 - 12:19 AM

What is all this ridiculous bitching about what someone else is saying??? How many ways can we say to the small minded wipers of other people's noses "if you don't like the thread, stay the f(word) out of it!!"

This thread has had some interesting conversation among a predominantly friendly group of people - a group who is drawn together by their common interest in music. Of course, as human beings our interests vary, and the focus of our conversation sometimes strays from music. We don't need the self-appointed, self-annointed Conversation Police to whine miserably over every thought that is expressed that they find offensive.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: GUEST,Pony (of "Dog and Pony" Show)
Date: 02 May 00 - 12:10 AM

Ode, to Praise...and major thread creep.

A drunk stumbles along a baptismal service on Sunday afternoon down by the river.

He proceeds to walk down into the water and stand next to the Preacher.

The minister turns and notices the old drunk and says, "Mister, Are you ready to find Jesus?"

The drunk looks back and says, "Yess, Preacher..I sure am."

The minister then dunks the fellow under the water and pulls him right back up. "Have you found Jesus?" the preacher asked.

"Nooo, I didn't!" said the drunk.

The preacher then dunks him under for quite a bit longer, brings him up and says, "Now, brother, have you found Jesus?"

"Noooo, I did not Reverend."

The preacher in disgust holds the man under for at least 30 seconds this time, brings him out of the water and says in a harsh tone, "My God, Man, have you found Jesus yet?"

The old drunk wipes his eyes and says to the preacher... "Are you sure this is where he fell in?"



...a little lightness in such a dark dark world...


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: The Beanster
Date: 01 May 00 - 11:47 PM

I'm not about to leave Mudcat, after all, I basically just got here but the thing that bugs me a bit is comments from folks lamenting about the old days here (see above). True, I don't know what the old days were like but I do know that change is inevitable. Sometimes it's sad to see something you considered reliable and unchanging, evolve into something else, however, I don't believe a natural evolution can be stopped, or should be stopped.

I also think the less-than-hospitable reactions to harpgirl's comment was the result of the hostility embedded in her posting. In this forum, as anywhere else, you usually reap what you sow, be it positive or negative. And of course, that has nothing to do with how talented (or untalented) you are. I think Amergin has a point, in that, whatever is contributed here, we can all take it or leave it. There is no harm done with B.S. threads. If you don't want to read them, don't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: GUEST, Threadie
Date: 01 May 00 - 11:38 PM

Click...click...click...wait for it...!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 May 00 - 11:31 PM

Anyone who loved how Mudcat WAS could do well to take responsibnility for cleaning up the old bad feelings they left all over ther place.

Music scholars, funsters, BOTH of you please hear me-- you need to address how you dragged each other's hearts through the mud long before we newer members arrived. We trip over it all the time with NO idea where the hurt feelings lie. And we did not cause them either. It isn't fair to the newer ones to get slammed for messes that should have been cleaned up long ago.

I get personal messages all the time with "Be careful" "Be thoughtful" Be quiet" "Be loud and proud" "You need to know that some people feel..." "You don't know this but we had a bad mess and we are still reeling from this or that or whatever so change YOUR conduct newbie if you would be so kind".

No newcomer can clean up what you fear we will step in, you have to do that job yourselves.

You might as well know that I have more to say on this and I am going to be saying it.

Keli, you did ask about songs and several were posted. What more people want, is not reasonable to require of you. Enjoy being here and watch out for invisible cowpies only if you wish to.

~Susan~


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Amergin
Date: 01 May 00 - 11:26 PM

Sites like this are great for learning and for GETTING TO KNOW OTHERS!! If you don't like it I have an answer for you: LEAVE, or if you don't want to leave just leave others alone if you have nothing constructive to add. Why do people have to contribute something here for them to be seen as worthwhile? Why do people have to be outstanding performers for them to be heard? That is the type of snobbery many folks in the artistic communities have fallen into. I have seen that myself. Been snubbed at by some of the local writers here and I damn well hated it. In fact it really burns my ass when I see "people" like you do it to others, because they are not worthwhile in your eyes. We all have something to contribute in this world of ours, even if its just CO2, it's still a bloody contribution. Get your ass off that high horse, sit back, and enjoy life. That's why we're here.

Amergin


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: GUEST,OldMember
Date: 01 May 00 - 10:57 PM

I am writing as a guest but I used to frequent this forum quite often. Harpgirl said she was asking this be moved to a chat room and she is right. It is this very type of thread which put me off several months ago. I could tolerate some of the argumentative threads like the armalite thread and I could even put up with some of the members who got into all the daft silliness. They were and still are very valuable for their serious contributions to the Mudcat. But over the past few months there has been a steady decline in the quality of the threads and the reponse given to Harpgirl was not warranted IMHO. She has proven herself over the years to be a substantial contributor here and many of the newbies seem only interested in chatting away about nothing.

Kelida, what have YOU contributed? Have you added any song lyrics aside from the ridiculous Songbook? Done any research? How about you firehair? Do you even know who Harpgirl is? Do you have any idea what she has done? Are you aware of the quality of performer she is? Sadly, you don't care do you? Some of us do. And that is why some have left and like myself return to find continuing deterioration of a site we once loved. You'll notice even Catspaw was making fun of this thread. That alone should tell you that it lacks merit and does NOT belong here. He is one I have often criticized for being chatty, but he has also been important for his serious contribution of knowledge and the real compassion, humor, and intelligence of many of his postings.

We seem to have many new members who only have one side and let the music take the hindmost. I hate posting this way because I have always used my given name, but too many here are no longer to be trusted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 00 - 10:09 PM

Don't breed with a soldier. You will only breed more soldiers


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Amos
Date: 01 May 00 - 10:03 PM

K --

One small correction -- it is not that Marines are a category of "bad people" or some such. It is just they are being trained into one kind of mindset, and it is rare though not impossible to find them with the breadth to shift gears easily, especially if they are still wuite young. Older ones can be just as mature as other intelligent men in my experience, and I have worked with a good number of 'em.

And I am happily married so flattery will just get you the biggest SEG you ever saw!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: GUEST, Threadie
Date: 01 May 00 - 09:38 PM

"As for messages like threadie's, blech!! There are plenty of nice sex workers out there, threadie, and you don't even have to buy them dinner. If sex is your only aim for a date, be honest about it and hire a professional."

I have no problems in that department, firehair28 (what ever happened to the other 27, I ask myself), thank you very much. What makes you assume that I have?

We were wondering, though, just as we are on the subject

What kind of a 'girl' are you??...Do tell!!

Oh, by the way, 'blech'?
Didn't proof-read the proof-read, did we?


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Kelida
Date: 01 May 00 - 09:22 PM

firehair--thanx. I love those kind of songs--especially when the debauched maid gets her revenge! As I said above, I guess I learned a lesson. . .

Peace--Keli


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Kelida
Date: 01 May 00 - 09:20 PM

Wow, this has gotten a lot longer since I was last here a couple days ago. I'm going to try and respond to everything, but if I miss you, I'm sorry, but here it goes:

Threadie--Well, what to say to you? Hmm. . . I don't think I'll ever be the girl I used to be. I wasn't a very nice person. I took guys for granted, and I ruined a relationship with someone I really cared about because I was immature. For more on that see the "Songs about infidelity" thread.

Amos and Allan C.--Wow, you guys are great--real advice. I do like to think that some guys are really great. It's strange because usually I do go out with musicians and artists. Those are the people I hang out with--I think this time I thought to try something new. Oh well, I suppose I learned my lesson; I just hate to judge people before I get to know them. . . Guess I'll stick with what I know best from now on. . .

Amergin and Mooh--Thank you so much for your sympathy and kind words. I wouldn't say this was a "horrific" dating experience, but I've had better, and I certainly hope for better in the future.

Harpgirl--The thread was clearly labeled BS, although it is in a way music related. If you don't approve, don't respond. I'm sure you've seen the discussions about flamers and trolls on other threads. I don't consider this to be a problem worthy of a therapist, only idle discussion, so unless you have something to add, get over it.

Peace--Keli


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: GUEST,firehair28
Date: 01 May 00 - 09:18 PM

sorry, that last line should have read,

"Sometimes the object of a date is just the date.."

Fiona the revisionist


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: GUEST,firehair28
Date: 01 May 00 - 09:11 PM

uncool, harpgirrl. There's plenty of threads to read out there w/o coming in here and flaming on.

I think most young persons have been through something like your experience, Kelida, and not all with the same happy ending. As to songs, there are a goodly set of "robber bride" type songs (the names escape me) where the lusty gent is outwitted by a fair young maid, who usually takes off on his horse, or motorcycle or whatever and leaves him in the lurch. Of course, these are told from the guy's point of view, so it's told as a terrible crime against the guy....*snerk*

As for messages like threadie's, blech!! There are plenty of nice sex workers out there, threadie, and you don't even have to buy them dinner. If sex is your only aim for a date, be honest about it and hire a professional.

Sometimes a date is just a date, and sometimes "no" means "no".

'nuff said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: GUEST, Threadie
Date: 01 May 00 - 08:53 PM

Why not let out steam at some faceless names?

Perhaps because the 'faced' ones deserve it more.

We want Kelida to become a 'bad girl' again!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Amergin
Date: 01 May 00 - 08:02 PM

I'm sorry, Harpgirl, but I don't feel that way. If something is bugging you, why not let out the steam to some faceless names? To me that works better than having to tell them to some one standing in front of you. Besides this horrific dating experience is hardly worth paying a hundred dollars an hour to bitch to a therapist about.

Amergin


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: harpgirl
Date: 01 May 00 - 07:23 PM

...let me just politely say that this topic is inappropriate to this forum and is an example of what has degraded it...please take your personal problems to a qualified therapist...


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 01 May 00 - 06:58 PM

Sinsull, I think Amos is just offering Kelida, some wise fatherly advice, thats all, right Amos?

Little Neo


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 May 00 - 03:35 PM

Sounds like Amos is pointing you in his direction. Red Alert, K.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 01 May 00 - 03:32 PM

GUEST ABC asked what I meant by having preferred to be straight-up or nothing.

Although I wasn't thinking of the double meaning when I wrote that, the answer is that I unfortunately ended being both: I chose one and remained the other.

Dave O.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . .
From: Amergin
Date: 01 May 00 - 01:51 PM

Look around at the libraries, coffee shops, bookstores, etc. And don't forget the poets.

Amergin


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