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Thought for the day:Feb. 27th

Ali_UK 27 Feb 00 - 12:12 PM
Amos 27 Feb 00 - 12:19 PM
GUEST,_gargoyle 27 Feb 00 - 01:35 PM
Sorcha 27 Feb 00 - 01:40 PM
GUEST,_gargoyle 27 Feb 00 - 01:52 PM
GUEST,_gargoyle 27 Feb 00 - 01:53 PM
Osmium 27 Feb 00 - 01:59 PM
Eric the Viking 27 Feb 00 - 02:03 PM
canoer 27 Feb 00 - 02:05 PM
Mbo 27 Feb 00 - 05:07 PM
Amos 27 Feb 00 - 05:14 PM
katlaughing 27 Feb 00 - 06:05 PM
Osmium 27 Feb 00 - 06:27 PM
Little Neophyte 27 Feb 00 - 06:27 PM
GUEST,_gargoyle 27 Feb 00 - 07:48 PM
GUEST,_gargoyle 27 Feb 00 - 08:12 PM
McGrath of Harlow 27 Feb 00 - 08:41 PM
Eric the Viking 28 Feb 00 - 01:24 PM
Troll 28 Feb 00 - 01:33 PM
Amos 28 Feb 00 - 01:35 PM
Troll 28 Feb 00 - 01:47 PM
Osmium 28 Feb 00 - 01:48 PM
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Subject: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: Ali_UK
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 12:12 PM

I was walking on the beach this morning, when I saw a turtle struggle onto the sand and die. It's shell had been pierced by a homemade harpoon and it had, somehow, managed to escape only to die at my feet on a lonely stretch of sand. I am not a particularly militant environmentalist, but this barbarity really made me angry for some reason, the turtle's only value to the people that killed it was monetary, they just could see past that to the really important bit...the value of its living beauty.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: Amos
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 12:19 PM

Damn!

That is a compelling image. I mourn for the unknown turkle. And I think, somewhere we have to learn how we train ourselves and our young into the paths of wanton violence.

It isn't force itself, it is force made wanton, which ruins our lives. Some Lord of the Flies mighty hunter type? Where was this beach? Sort of missing the context...


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: GUEST,_gargoyle
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 01:35 PM

Damn!

What an OPPORTUNITY!!!

"Although there are more than 50 species of fresh water turtle, only about a half a dozen of the species are caught for market in important quantities. Practically all kind are edible, however, and the main reason for the non-use of turtles for food is a lack of knowledge of how to dress them." Meta Givens Encyclopedia of Cooking 1959, p. 781.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 01:40 PM

I really do have a recipe for turtle soup that begins: Get up early in the morning and catch a turtle.........


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: GUEST,_gargoyle
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 01:52 PM

Don't forget... that there are SEVERAL fine instruments that can be be constructed from a turtle's shell.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: GUEST,_gargoyle
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 01:53 PM

Turtle Soup

The first step in dressing is the removal of the head. They can be made to protrude their heads by applying pressure with the foot to the back or upper part of the shell. After the head is well stretched out, the head can be cut off.

The United State fish and Wildlife Service describes the dressing of a turtle as follows: Run a sharp knife around the edges of the skin where it joins the shell. Pull back the skin over the legs to the feet which are then disjointed. The lower part of the shell or plastron is then removed by cutting through the bridges which join the upper and lower shells, cutting close to the lower part of the shell. With snappers and sofyt shells, in which the bridges are rather soft and cartilaginous, this can be done with a sharp knife. With the terrapin, the bridge may be cut with a hatchert or saw. Having cut the bridges, the plastron or under shell may be readily removed by inserting a sharp knife just under it and lifting it off. This done, the entrails may be extracted with very litle trouble, and the four quarters easily taken out from the carapace or upper shell. If one wishes to save the tenderloin in the upper part or ceiling of the carapace, the ribs may be cut with a hatchet. This may appear to be a lengthy and complicated process, but it is simpler than killing, plucking and drawing a chicken. From Cooking Wild Game Judd Publishing Company 1945.

Wipe meat clean with a damp cloth. Cut meat from bones and add bones and gristle to water in a kettle. Add following ingrediants simmer cover for one hour, strain/discard vegitables and bones. Meanwhile brown cubed meat in butter until golden brown on all sides. Add meat to strained broth, simmer for 30 minutes - eight to ten servings.

3lbs turtle meat
3 1/2 quarts water
2 medium onions chopped
1 bunch of celery chopped
bay leaf
2 full sprigs parsley
6 cloves
1 tsp sugar
1 cup canned tomatoes
1 tbsp salt
1/2 tsp whole black pepers
3 tbsp butter

Serve wih a sprinkiling of parsley on each bowl of soup and a paper-thin slice of lemon floated on top.



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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: Osmium
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 01:59 PM

Two thoughts in one day - you guy's are just to demanding!


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 02:03 PM

Turtle shell or tortoise makes good plectrums!!! BUT I quite agree, what an unessesary waste of a life just for the pleasure of killing-though I fish myself, I always return fish live to the water except when they're for the pot. Never seen the pleasure in killing. Though many do, hmm, could think of a good few humans that should be wasted though! Oh before some one says a turtle aint a fish I know it's a reptile. Eric, Not known as Herne the hunter.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: canoer
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 02:05 PM

O great, now we've taken the poor turtle that tugged Ali's heart, and made soup out of it.
It's a rich moment, on the beach, because the wounded turtle can evoke or stimulate thoughts of so many emotional, and psychological, and social aspects of our experience. And our existence.

Thanks Ali.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: Mbo
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 05:07 PM

Down here in eastern NC we have the Eastern Loggerhead Turtles--an endangered species. But some people are REAL jerks. A few months ago a guy got sent to prison for running off the road deliberately in his SUV so he could run over & kill a mother Loggerhead. Folks like that should be horsewhipped!

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: Amos
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 05:14 PM

Garg is just showing that hard ass side of his again...he obviously hasd never communed with any nature at all, even his opwn...(stir, stir)


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 06:05 PM

Thanks, Ali, I goofed on the date of my TFTD, today! I love turtles and am sorry that one you saw was harmed. We have a red eared slider which my daughter has had for 15 years. He has quite a personality. He had to go to the vet this week, for the firts time ever. I wished I'd ahd a camera. When we were holding him while the vet checked him over, she gave him a tongue depressor to bite down on. So here's this dinner plate sized turtle, madder than hops, wiht a wooden tongue depressor sitcking out on both sides of his mouth while he bites the hell out of it. Made me think of all those old Westerns where the guy gets shot, then is handed a piece of leather to bite down on while someone digs the bullet out. One tough turtle, I'll tell ya.

Good to see you amonsg us some more, Ali.

kat


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: Osmium
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 06:27 PM

I was in Turkey not so long ago - on the beach where one species of giant turtles lay eggs once a year (to my eternal shame I don't know which species but I do know this is thought to be the only beach where they come to breed). The Turkish gov't has made the laying zone a no go area and although there must have been a 1000 plus holiday makers this side of the line; no-one crossed the line. So general levels of awareness must be rising - the message IS getting through.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 06:27 PM

Cute story Kat
I have a turtle story too.
When my dad was a kid, he had a little pet turtle. One day it seemed to have died. At least in my dad's opinion the turtle was dead because it would not come out of it's shell.
So my dad decided to give it a funeral service. He put some logs in the fireplace, placed his pet turtle on a centre log and proceeded to start a fire to cremate his dead friend. Well, as the fire heated up, I guess it startled the 'not-so-dead' turtle because out popped it's head, arms and legs. My dad tried to save the turtle but the flames were to high to reach it.
What a way to go hugh. That must have been a really bad scene.

Little Neo


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: GUEST,_gargoyle
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 07:48 PM

Neglected an important option to the recipe

South of the border, down Mexico way, the turtle soup is always served with a foot, flipper, or tail, to help "authenticate" the dish... a little like a pig's foot to knaw on.

Ain't being mean, just being neat.
Why shed mock-turtle-tears.
When a treats' at your feet.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: GUEST,_gargoyle
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 08:12 PM

A shame you could not get past monetary pity
and relish a dish of cullenary simplicity.

Least we allow the Laugh Cat to lead this thread astray into one of her more moribund melancholy strains...let us move on to MUSIC!!!

You would expect this song to be in Chapter 9 of Lewis Carrol's Alice's Adventures in Wonderland which is titled "The Mock Turtle's Story" however, Lewis "tricks" us and places it in Chapter 10... the Gryphon (a distant family member of mine) is speaking... "...Would you like the Mock Turtle to sing you a song?"

Oh, a song, please, if the Mock Turtle would be so kind,' Alice replied, so eagerly that the Gryphon said, in a rather offended tone, Hm! No accounting for tastes! Sing her "Turtle Soup," will you, old fellow?'

The Mock Turtle sighed deeply, and began, in a voice sometimes choked with sobs, to sing this:

Beautiful Soup, so rich and green,
Waiting in a hot tureen!
Who for such dainties would not stoop?
Soup of the evening, beautiful Soup!
Soup of the evening, beautiful Soup!
Beau - ootiful Soo - oop!
Beau ootiful Soo - oop!
Soo oop of the e - e - evening,
Beautiful, beautiful Soup!

Beautiful Soup! Who cares for fish,
Game, or any other dish?
Who would not give all else for two
pennyworth only of beautiful Soup?
Pennyworth only of beautiful Soup?
Beau - ootiful Soo - oop!
Beau - ootiful Soo - oop!
Soo - oop of the e - e - evening,
Beautiful, beauti - FUL SOUP!'


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 08:41 PM

Mock Turtle soup, of course.

I've always like the idea that if you kill anything, unless it's trying to kill you, you should be obliged to eat it.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 01:24 PM

Oh shit! McGrath, I've killed loads of flies!!!


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: Troll
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 01:33 PM

Garg. Have You got a recipe for flies? Eric is having a crisis of conscience!

troll

sorry Eric. couldn't resist this one.

troll


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: Amos
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 01:35 PM

Depends on whose flies he wants to eat -- this is not an open-and-shut decision...


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: Troll
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 01:47 PM

Amos this is not a matter to be made light of.Just suppose his guilt at having slain so many helpless creatures-who were really only an irritation and who meant no harm- caused him to fly off the handle.The accusations would be flying around thick as...well...flys.Think about that ere you fly in the face of convention and make mirth at the expense of a poor tortured soul.For shame! I only hope that Gargoyle can come up with an answer.Perhaps his sensitive nature will find a solace for Erics fly-bitten anguish.

troll

or maybe gnat.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: Osmium
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 01:48 PM

In Nigeria, when the flying ants swarm
Their wings drop of adn descend to the floor
fried gently in oil
they taste like a prawn
but you'll need a strong stomach to look at what your eating!


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: Amos
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 02:02 PM

I was taught, in the hills of northern Thailand, that the proper way to eat cooked insects is tail first; it is considered more respectful, or better for the digestion, not to look them in the eye when dropping them into your mouth. For your collections of random trivia...


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: Osmium
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 02:07 PM

So here's a more than trivial question; when young I'd always thought that the expression Lotus Eater was Locust Eater - now I know what a Locust is and I've seen them eaten but what's a Lotus?


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: Osmium
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 02:09 PM

PS - don't tell me its got four wheels either.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 02:09 PM

Eat flies? Y'all need to zip it.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: Osmium
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 03:25 PM

Spaw

You have to keep the Max thing out of other threads - edible zips?


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: Peter T.
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 04:07 PM

Lotus is a swamp flower, associated with narcotic sleep. The phrase comes from Homer's Iliad where Odysseus' men find themselves in a "lotus land" where they can live drugged and dreaming forever. Odysseus struggles to free them from this state. Tennyson wrote a famous poem called "The Lotos Eaters" about this episode, since which time it has become synonymous with Hollywood, Western civilization, and TV commercials. (joke, ha, ha, not).
yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: Amos
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 04:10 PM

It is sometimes confused with Buddhist references to the Lotus -- an image representing the perfection of Buddha or the state of perfect enlightenment, I think...but these are two different references.


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Subject: RE: Thought for the day:Feb. 27th
From: Osmium
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 04:11 PM

Ta Peter T - Thanks a long time question resolved.


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