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Subject: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 03:19 PM

WARNING - PLEASE DO NOT READ ANY FURTHER IF YOU DON'T LIKE HEALING REQUEST THREADS. THANK YOU.

For those of you who have previously offered your help, we have a Mudcatter whose friend lost her 19 year old daughter this week in a car accident. Please do not ask who any of them are, as they'd like to keep this private from the general Internet public.

We would simply ask that you hold this mom in your thoughts and prayers to whatever/whomever you believe in. Since this happened, she has been unable to recognise anyone and is not functioning very well in this world. Her family and friends are very concerned.

Thank you and thanks to everyone for keeping this thread NON-CONTROVERSIAL. All that matters is someone is simply hurting and needs our help.

kat


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 03:34 PM

My thoughts, prayers, hope and tears. It's so hard.One day at a time.....


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: emily rain
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 03:37 PM

i'm there with you, too.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Nancy
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 03:48 PM

The Universe has asked this woman to comprehend the impossible.....the loss of a child. My prayers and thoughts are with her.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 03:51 PM

Holding her in the Light...


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: wildlone
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 04:07 PM

reaching out.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: T in Oklahoma (Okiemockbird)
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 04:13 PM

It hurts just to hear of it. I greive for their loss, and hold them in my thoughts and prayers.

T.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 04:20 PM

Thank you kat.....

I thought about this family a lot in the past hours since learning of it last evening. Our best thoughts are with them. We have had several close friends go through these trying times and the hurt and pain are never forgotten. Everyone goes on, but a part of the world is lost. I'm sure the memories are great and folks can focus on them, but our hearts knows the loss and the pain these people are feeling. Someone said once that a hole is left in the heart when a tragedy occurs. Our best and sincerest wish for this family is that the hole is filled with the memories of the time they had and the love and lives they shared.

All of our best to them.

Pat & Karen Patterson


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Áine
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 04:38 PM

Our family's prayers and thoughts are with them, too. No stretch of the imagination can comprehend the pain they must be feeling.

-- Áine


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Kernow John
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 04:56 PM

In my thoughts aaand prayers
BAZ


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 04:59 PM

Words fail me, as they have her. I hope she will recover from the shock; there are others who need her to be strong. Someone who loved her daughter, grievously hurt beyond words. May she recover for her family, soon. Yours,(in sorrow)Aye. Dave


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: JenEllen
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 05:57 PM

So sorry to hear of the news. I know, personally, the pain of this kind of loss. The consolation of friends can give you unimmaginable strength when you are faced with the loss of a family member. My love and thoughts go to your friends, in the hope that they find the same. Elle


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Metchosin
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 06:31 PM

On behalf of my friend, I thank all of you for your kind words. As a skeptic regarding most things, I do not know if healing circles help, but they certainly can't harm and I for one will not rule them out.(Humans are wonderfully incongruous beings aren't they?).

Nancy, what you said really struck home for me personally. As someone who once went mad trying to "comprehend the impossible", I never felt that I was enlightened by the experience but perhaps there was some wisdom gained in finally accepting that there are some things that will always be beyond our ken and you have pointed that out to me. Thank you.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 06:53 PM

So sorry to hear of your tragedy. Our thoughts are with you. Heather and I have lost close friends. This must hurt so much more.

Rick and Duckboots.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Micca
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 07:43 PM

Yeah I am bereft of words in a situation in which no words would be adequate. If I might quote from my favourite song of the moment" Gather round circle of friends......Until the dark time ends" lets do it. Micca


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Banjer
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 07:57 PM

The thoughts and prayers here are with the family during their dark hours. Thanks Kat, for bringing them to our attention.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 08:04 PM

...and I believe in the prayers and thoughts of strangers...and also in the future comfort from friends who don't yet know of the hurting.

My prayers,
Mary


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: BK
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 08:08 PM

Unitarian thought-prayers from me; If you can, try to physically be there - if just for an hour or so, often as possible; don't need to talk; words are inadequate abyway.

BK


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 08:33 PM

This is me again, just got home from a lovely session with my friends; I mentioned this, and 9 more people are with us now. We played that lovely tune, "Ashokan Farewell" for this Mom, her daughter, and all the family. Shine On, Sorcha


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 09:00 PM

This happened to a close friend of ours a few years ago. It never stops hurting. All the friends and family can do is hold on in there right now, and that is going to be very hard for them as well.

She needs people around who already understand what it is to be hurt, and know that it's always different.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Pete Peterson
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 09:12 PM

Sorry to hear it. "The only thing worse than losing a parent is losing a child". I will think of her and ask for help-- know that you will do your best to let her know you are There. It helps. May not seem so immediately but you are doing a good thing, which is just how I think of you.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Escamillo
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 09:19 PM

All my thoughts with that family too. Andrés


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Troll
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 09:27 PM

Time does not heal all things but the passage of time and the process of grieving can dull the pain. May this be so for this family.

troll


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: fulurum
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 09:36 PM

I just lost a 17 year old niece this past august. so our prayers and thoughts are with you. when the time comes there is a support group on the net at www.tcfatlanta. org. please don't think i'm using this situation to plug for this group, but my sister-in-law has found some comfort at this site.I know this is a nn music thread but i would still like to pass this on.

PRECIOUS CHILD Karen Taylor-Good

In my dreams you are alive and well, Precious child precious child, In my mind, I see you clear as a bell, Precious child, precious child.

In my soul, there is a hole, That never can be filled, But in my heart, there is hope, "Cause you are with me still.

In my heart, you live on, Always there never gone, Precious child, you left to soon, Tho' it may be true that we're apart You will live forever...in my heart

In my plans, I was the first to leave Precious child, precious child But in this world, I was left to grieve Precious child precious child.

I my soul there is a hole That never can be filled But in my heart there is hope And you are with me still.

In my heart you live on Always there never gone Precious child you left to soon Tho it may be true that we're apart You will live foever...in my heart.

God knows I want to hold you See you touch you, And maybe there is a heaven And someday I will see you again Please know that you are not forgotten until then

In my heart you live on Always there, never gone Precious child you left to soon Tho' it may be true that we're apart You will live forever... in my heart.

God Bless Fulurum


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Metchosin
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 10:03 PM

if this is so fuckin' ineffectual and generates bad feelings from others, why does it get your shorts in such a knot anonymous?


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: _gargoyle
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 10:03 PM

Dearest - LlAaUuGgHgKkAaTt,

Is there a particular reason WHY most of the people you know are SICK!!!!

Paws.......and reflect......
.................................there is a thing known as "Karma"


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 10:13 PM

Ok, gargoyle, you've made your point. kat said UP-FRONT not to read this if it offends you.......


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Mary G
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 10:15 PM

I am wondering if aromatherapy could help the mother and family....rose oil is supposed to be among the best for grief and shock....

also, there is a cd out called "Before their Time"...with singers like Anne Hills, Jim Stewart, Gordon Bok, Eric Bogle...it is to remember those who died too young...url is http://www.beforetheirtime.com/ mg


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 10:16 PM

Ok, gargoyle, you've made your point. kat said UP-FRONT not to read this if it offends you.......GET YOUR PANTIES OUT OF A BUNCH & IGNORE THIS THREAD!!!!!Some of us who have lost loved ones feel a little human compassion. Maybe you have never lost any one? Yes, Karma but KARMA BE DAMNED WHEN YOU HURT!! Go suck a rock.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From:
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 10:24 PM

Any that read this thread and reply have chosen to infect themselves with the same identical virus/cancer of the afflicted....

They have agreed to share the "shame/pain" with their own immediate, sons, daughters, spouses, and others,....all those who will be so inflicted....

Post.................!!!!!!!!!!!Upon infliction of your "Most Beloved".....(go-ahead-tempt-the-dark-side)

And do not post HERE again, when the "dark-side" calls.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 10:32 PM

Poor damaged man.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Metchosin
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 10:39 PM

kat, I see what I have been missing since I was off line for awhile.

Gargoyle, I'm curious, why are you so concerned about positive thoughts somehow generating negative ones, which could supposedly be harmful to us flakes? Aren't you giving this thread more credence in your mind than it deserves? As I said before, we humans are wonderfully incongruous aren't we.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Kristi H
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 10:45 PM

What a tragedy. My thoughts are with this mother and her family in this saddest of times. Kristi


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 10:46 PM

I do not think gargoyle's message deserves any response at all, dark side indeed. Since when did caring about people meam inviting in the dark? Micca, where are you when we need you? Help me a little here, I think we are dealing with another one of those fanatics with a very closed mind. gargoyle, just go away. POOOF....you're gone.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Metchosin
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 10:48 PM

thanks Sorcha!


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 10:53 PM

Get back, get back to where we once belonged, let's get this thread back on Mom where it belongs. We are with you Mom, and hope that there is daylight someday.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: fulurum
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 10:53 PM

how many people would show up for a healing for gargoyle?


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 10:55 PM

Can gargoyles be HEALED?? I thought it was genetic, congenital and all that other dirty stuff.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Big Mick
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 11:18 PM

I will put this person in my prayers, and thanks for bringing the family to our attention. As a person of heightened empathic abilities, I can tell you that this is the darkest hole one can fall into. I ache for this family and offer my prayers for them.

The only dark side that is opened when we start this is the one we know all about. We have a couple of people, one in particular, who feel the need to mold this forum into their liking. They ramble on, and one of them is very hurtful. Please do not acknowledge them as they feed off of this.

Big Mick


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: _gargoyule
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 11:42 PM

Awwww....just call it B.S....O.S.

You "Suckered" me into this sick, Sick, SICK, thread by "mis-labeling" IT.........and "this" according to YOUR very own "standards."

Them that creates them .....are allowed to break them.....but..... But they better not....go swquakin' for sympathy!!!


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: JenEllen
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 12:02 AM

Mis-labeled???? 'Fraid not. People need all the kind thoughts and understanding that their fellows can spare. And no one has ever lost their soul by sharing a little love.

I can't say I totally support the rock-sucking there Sorcha. :) You have to admit it must be horrible for some folks to know in their hearts (shriveled and blackened as they may be) that when they aren't there, they aren't really missed.

Let's put away the claws folks, and remember why this thread is here.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From:
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 12:06 AM

I have to agree with Gargoyle

Why do you post this Sh-----t here?


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 12:21 AM

One might ask the same of you, anonymous.

Feel pity, phoaks, for what goes out comes back to its sender many times over. Bless and release and follow Mick's advice.

compassionatekatwithtonsofkarmicbrowniepoints


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 12:26 AM

BTW, forgot to say: fulurum, thank you for the beautiful song. I didn't mean that there shouldn't be any music in this thread, indeed I think there should be. The only reason I put that in the title was to hopefully alert those who want no part of what we do.

katlaughing


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Night Owl
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 12:52 AM

Anonymous....some of us post pain here because we look to our friends, who understand the depths and foundations of the lyrics to the music we share, we look to our friends who have the capacity to "see" and feel a song..or REAL grief. kat....thanks for the post....my deepest sympathy and thoughts go out to her.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Metchosin
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 01:07 AM

Jeez Night Owl I think kats taking the heat for me this time. She posted on my request because I din't have the courage or the confidence to do it myself. Sorry for any problems kat.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: catspaw49
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 01:20 AM

Don't sweat it Mets......kat is used to taking the heat and a lot of us could give less than a mini's peter about what is said by some anyway. I have been tied up all day and when I got on this afternoon for a few minutes, it was with the purpose of starting this thread...but I'd been beat to the punch by my great friend. She did a great job too...better than I would have done.

So pass along the best of us to your friend in need and we will keep her and her family...and you...in our thoughts. Your post yesterday touched me deeply. Keep singing.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 01:24 AM

Metchosin, that goes double from me...what Spaw said. I know you have no limit of courage and confidence and I am honoured you felt comfortable with me doing this for you and your friend. No problem, luvyaKat


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Metchosin
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 01:41 AM

Some of us just have courage in different areas, kat. thanks again for all the kind words and prayers.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: roopoo
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 02:02 AM

Just joining in to offer my sympathies. We lost our oldest niece, the mother of a 5 year-old daughter, about 18 months ago. Prayer and moral support does help. There is a certain order in life: parents pre-decease their children. It is often hard for the human mind to accept that it can happen the other way round.

May God bless and keep the mother, the whole family, and all their friends also at this time.

mouldy


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 03:03 AM

If one loses karma by trying to comfort the grieving, then karma is not worth having. Somehow, however, I suspect that as one giveth, so shall he receive: Either way, my thoughts are with this grieving family; I will pray for them, after my fashion. I also offer love to the unloved--and unloving.

--seed


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: roopoo
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 03:39 AM

Well said, BSeed!

If only I had looked into the thread yesterday, and seen this cry for healing, I could have had hands laid on for this poor mother at a service in our parish in the evening.

mouldy


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: roopoo
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 04:00 AM

I have found this lovely celtic blessing for peace and would like to offer it. It is not a blessing for the bereaved, but it is beautiful and may help with the torment felt inside:

Deep peace I breathe into you, O weariness, here: O ache here! Deep peace, a soft white dove to you; Deep peace, a quiet rain to you; Deep peace, an ebbing wave to you! Deep peace, red wind of the east from you; Deep peace, grey wind of the west to you; Deep peace, dark wind of the north from you; Deep peace, blue wind of the south to you! Deep peace, pure red of the flame to you; Deep peace, pure white of the moon to you; Deep peace, pure green of the grass to you; Deep peace, pure brown of the earth to you; Deep peace, pure grey of the dew to you; Deep peace, pure blue of the sky to you! Deep peace of the running wave to you, Deep peace of the flowing air to you, Deep peace of the quiet earth to you, Deep peace of the sleeping stones to you, Deep peace of the Yellow Shepherd to you, Deep peace of the wandering shepherdess to you, Deep peace of the flock of stars to you, Deep peace of the Son of Peace to you, Deep peace from the heart of Mary to you, And from Bridget of the Mantle, Deep peace, deep peace!

(Fiona MacLeod "Under the Dark Star" pub. 1912 by William Heinemann).

mouldy


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: micca
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 05:03 AM

Sorcha, I've been here all the time and am "up for this" I have already started work and am aware of the "bad feeling" of some all I would say is when you point a finger 3 more are pointing back at you, and karma also accumulates from the thought as well as the action so be careful of wishing ill, and heaping spite on others. and Anonymous posting is no protection from the Morae.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 05:12 AM

Mouldy, thank you! That is beautiful. Donovan sang a shorter version of that on his last CD, Sutras It is truly peacefull and beautiful.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From:
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 05:21 AM

A valid point has been raised by gargoyle.

I thought we had reached a consensus with the New Year that such items were best left to the private E-Mails of those close friends that sincerely cared about such matters?


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 05:37 AM

And you and gg came into this thread WHY? It was clearly marked.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From:
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 05:46 AM

I came in because this place is clearly labeled "a magazine dedicated to blues and folk music."

So to reuse your above statement, "You came into this place WHY? It was clearly marked?"


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 05:49 AM

Listen to Max on his last radio show.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: jeffp
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 08:22 AM

I would like to add my prayers and hope for healing. Having lost a spouse 7 1/2 years ago, I know first hand what help it can be to receive the kindness of both friends and strangers. With time, the good memories will form around the hurt and make something beautiful as the oyster forms a pearl around a painful piece of sand.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: fulurum
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 09:12 AM

Gargoyle and anonymous. The last time i checked we still live in a democracy, meaning that the MAJORITY still rules. with this in mind, i would have to say the positive is definitly kicking the ass of the negative here. John Donne said, "Any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind: and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 02:07 PM

Could I suggest a positive siuggestion. Please gargoyle, couldfd you start a new thread called "gargoyles's corner" in which you would post your non-musical comments concerning all the other threads? Then any one who wished to read these could visit it.

To ensure that we didn't miss your gems, you could put little posts in the other threads saying "see comment in gargoyle's corner".

And anonomyous (assuming this is a different individual) could share the same thread.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 02:41 PM

My thoughts and prayers are with this person and I will light a memorial candle for her daughter tonight.
BB


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: _gargoyle
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 03:34 PM

In an effort to turn this into a "musical thread."

Why don't you say what you mean?
Mean what you say
One thing leads to another.

Subject: Original intent of healing circle
From: kat/katlaughing
Date: 03-Jan-00 - 11:13 PM

Dear Mudcatters,

Please use personal messages for healing requests to anyone listed as a willing participant in the original thread.

What I am trying to say is: how about a list of phoaks who wouldn't mind being contacted personally and/or privately for healing energy or whatever is needed, who can in turn notify others on the list who have some time to devote to specific requests?

Meow!!!


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: _gargoyle
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 03:40 PM

The above direct quotation was the most intelligent posting I have ever seen the LaughKat post.

Ahhh, ficklness, thy name is......

Tonight, I too will light something in loving memory....
.........................................but first a supper of beans and cabbage.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: black walnut
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 04:07 PM

i lost a daughter several years ago. there is no grief deeper. all condolences from all sources are healing. lord help us if we can't reach out for a moment to show care for someone else. persons who disrupt such community add salt to the wound.

~black walnut


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Wesley S
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 04:13 PM

As I recall there is a book by a Rabbi called "When Bad Things Happen To Good People" . It might be a good book for these folks to check out. I've heard wonderful things about it but I haven't read it myself. Best of luck in a painful time.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Peter T.
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 04:44 PM

As I have said before, this gargoyle nonsense is just bad Nietszche -- "pity for people is for weaklings and will undermine and infect our moral fibre: what is required is the Superman who is above all this whining: we must be hard". It is totally pathetic, a sort of world view an insecure 12 year old would espouse, not to mention failed Austrian painters after World War One. It is worth paying attention to, just to constantly remind us of what pure anti-compassion looks like, how enraged it becomes at the slightest sign of love, how it tries to provoke the very anger it has in its own heart, so as to prove that the world is a violent, vicious place, so its darkest fears will be proved right after all. While it is disgusting to watch it in action, we need to see it every once in awhile, just to ensure that it never gets any power over us again.

There was no agreement to keep healing circles private: I did not speak for anyone else here, but I refused to keep my expressions of compassion and hope out of here. Everyone else's expressions speak the same determination. In the immortal words of Sorcha, go suck a rock. If you can't stand the compassion, get out of the kitchen.
yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Sorcha
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 05:11 PM

I am beginning to think he doesit just to get a riseout of us....what if we Shunned him?


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Peter T.
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 05:21 PM

That is exactly what he wants, and you are right about the general strategy, Sorcha -- he's been around a while, occasionally contributes, is nice for awhile, and then goes off the deep end into this dreck. We just lay off. Every once in awhile it just gets too much, it has to be challenged: also we want to make sure that if anyone who belongs to the families involved should read this that they don't think this is normal. It is probably a mistake to reply: but.....
yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 05:23 PM

Sorcha, you are right. It has been boringly predictable for a long time. Sorry you had to experience such in your first week on here. As Big Mick said, "Please do not acknowledge them as they feed off of this."

Fanning a flame only makes it worse.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Mudjack
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 05:27 PM

Our deepest thoughts and prayers go out to our grieving Mudcat Mom.
To Gargoyle (if you really exsist) a special prayer for you.....You need it.
Mudjack


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: flattop
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 07:14 PM

I'm deeply saddened to read of you friend's loss and your sorrow, Metchosin.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 07:19 PM

A neat little clicky thing saying "gargoyle" every now and then in non-music threads, indicating he (has to be "he") has something to say. If you're that way inclined, click on it and go off to join him and exchange pleasantries and deep insights on another dedicated gargoyle thread. Wouldn't it be a good arrangement? Wouldn't it make sense? Wouldn't it be sane and healthy?

But I can't see it happening. If it doesn't,the last sentence in the previous paragraph indicates the reason why. There is definitely something radically disturbed there, and at least posting on the Mudcat is less harmful than others things he might be doing.

But what we've seen on this thread - I hope it didn't cause too much real hurt to anyone, and I think it might have, which I supppose was the idea. As the nuns used to say "offer it up".

But for God's sake, or whatever equivalent gargoyle has, if he wants to respond to this, do it on another thread, please.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 07:35 PM

Well, it has happened again... As some of you know, I don't personaly belief in healing engery but if there is such a thing as energy being directed, look what form of energy there is now and who it is now directed towards...

While I am here, I wish to offer my sympathy to all those concerned in this tragedy.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: JenEllen
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 09:09 PM

Well said Jon....and I think it was Edward R Murrow who said "No one man can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices"


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From:
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 10:12 PM

Profane, vile, pussilanimous postings defile the energy of the healing spirit. If for no other reason, this is reason enough, to keep the sacred power within the hands of those practictioners that can/will contribute to holiness of the process and not permit it to be sullied by the irreverance of a public forum. For the sake of those who are afflicted, and those who are most vulnerable in their time of need, can't we PLEASE bring this into a private circle of healing. The swine's impurity has disgraced and degragated the alter of our worship and the spirit of our healing.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Frank Maher
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 10:55 PM

My Prayers go Out to the Grieving Mom and Her Family I have Seven Children and I also Pray that I go before any of Them do....


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From:
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 11:31 PM

For Satan transforms into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great mystery if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. 2 Cor:11:14-15


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: sophocleese
Date: 18 Jan 00 - 12:56 AM

My thoughts toward this mother (and father?) in this difficult time.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: JenEllen
Date: 18 Jan 00 - 03:12 AM

Anonymous...thanks for twisting sacred verse to suit your needs.

Picking fights with grieving people...THAT'll get you into Heaven every time...


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Banjer
Date: 18 Jan 00 - 06:13 AM

In many cases Anonimity is a sign of cowardice. We should feel sorry for those who haven't the intestinal fortitude to add their name to their thoughts. As far as I can see, a post by an anonymous entity is equal to a blank page.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Penny S.
Date: 18 Jan 00 - 11:40 AM

Last night, when I read this thread, I had a very strong sense of the rightness of it, and its not being corrupted. The good cannot be defiled, if it is sustained as this is, by more than our prayers.

Penny


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Metchosin
Date: 18 Jan 00 - 11:58 AM

To all those who have responded compassionately on this thread, I am deeply grateful. It is very difficult to stand by impotently and witness people for whom you care, try to cope with, possibly, the greatest pain we humans can be subjected to, without feeling the need to do something, anything that may be of comfort. Whether a healing circle on an internet thread, on a beam of energy generated by the hubris of man is of any benefit, I cannot say, it is beyond my ken. However, I do believe that an outpouring from ones soul, be it in a political folksong, with a hope to educate, a blues riff, that recalls mans inhumanity to man, through the bellow of a sinus clearing shanty, that stirs the imagination and recalls, other hardships of other times, through the music of our ancestors, on whom our unique characters and cultures are based or any song, for that matter, which brings goosebumps to the skin, a smile to a face, a tear to an eye and makes us think or through words of sympathy from people who make and love the music, on thread in the Mudcat Forum, is a life affirming act. In any case it has been a help to me. Thank you again.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Jan 00 - 12:17 PM

Metchosin my friend, that was extemely well spoken and exactly on point. I don't know how it could have been stated better...........and I thank you.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Jan 00 - 12:25 PM

Here I am echoing Spaw, again, Metchosin. That should be the first posting to any thread about healing and other such things. Thank you.

katlaughing


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: annamill
Date: 18 Jan 00 - 12:57 PM

To the mother of the lost child...I have two beautiful children that I love and I don't think any amount of love, good wishes, healing, praying, etc. could possibly take away the pain of losing either of them. I would like you to know, however, that I'm feeling a little of your pain. It hurts and brings tears just think of losing my children. I hope in time it hurts less. I'm thinking of you.

Love, annap


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 18 Jan 00 - 01:45 PM

I am a hardened veteran witness of death and injury. For twenty five years the member of a scientific institute. I work with doctors and scientists on several projects. I have seen and heard of things that are beyond the scope and language of science, and defy logical explanation. Recently I had to perform CPR on an elderly man, I heard his heart stop twice. Clinically he was dead, and I had increasing difficulty getting air into him. When the paramedics arrived they shocked him six times; after transporting him to hospital this man had some more heart attacks. The doctors call him the miracle man, no brain damage at all. He just celebrated his 47th wedding anniversary with his wife. While I was doing CPR the children on the street (9 in total) and all the neighbours, Moslem and Christian and Jew prayed for him outside the house on their knees. Do not tell me that the power of human spirit is meaningless, because in my experience this man would have been given up on by conventional wisdom. The power of human compassion and spirit is beyond our comprehension. The nasty mean spirited people who post negativity on these threads do nothing to benefit themselves or others; and as such deserve no regard as human beings. You are cowards of the worst kind; and a total waste of space. Yours, (in disgust) Aye. Dave


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Uncle Milty
Date: 18 Jan 00 - 04:17 PM

I came across a very interesting, and topical article today.

To read it, click here.

My deepest condolences to the family mentioned at the beginning of this thread.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From:
Date: 18 Jan 00 - 07:09 PM

AS LONG AS NO Stalin breathes down our necks, why not make some art in the service of...an insurrection? Never mind if it's "impossible." What else can we hope to attain but the "impossible"? Should we wait for someone else to reveal our true desires?

If music has died, or the audience has withered away, then we find ourselves free of two dead weights. Potentially, everyone is now some kind of artist--& potentially every audience has regained its innocence, its ability to become the art that it experiences.

Provided we can escape from the museums we carry around inside us, provided we can stop selling ourselves tickets to the galleries in our own skulls, we can begin to contemplate an art which re-creates the goal of the sorcerer: changing the structure of reality by the manipulation of living symbols (in this case, the images we've been "given" by the organizers of this salon--murder, war, famine, & greed).

We might now contemplate aesthetic actions which possess some of the resonance of terrorism (or "cruelty," as Artaud put it) aimed at the destruction of abstractions rather than people, at liberation rather than power, pleasure rather than profit, joy rather than fear. "Poetic Terrorism." Our chosen images have the potency of darkness--but all images are masks, & behind these masks lie energies we can turn toward light & pleasure.

For example, the man who invented aikido was a samurai who became a pacifist & refused to fight for Japanese imperialism. He became a hermit, lived on a mountain sitting under a tree..

One day a former fellow-officer came to visit him & accused him of betrayal, cowardice, etc. The hermit said nothing, but kept on sitting--& the officer fell into a rage, drew his sword, & struck. Spontaneously the unarmed master disarmed the officer & returned his sword. Again & again the officer tried to kill, using every subtle kata in his repertoire--but out of his empty mind the hermit each time invented a new way to disarm him.

The officer of course became his first disciple. Later, they learned how to dodge bullets. We might contemplate some form of metadrama meant to capture a taste of this performance, which gave rise to a wholly new art, a totally non-violent way of fighting--war without murder, "the sword of life" rather than death.

A conspiracy of musicains, anonymous as any mad bombers, but aimed toward an act of gratuitous generosity rather than violence--at the millennium rather than the apocalypse--or rather, aimed at a present moment of aesthetic shock in the service of realization & liberation.

Music tells gorgeous lies that come true.

Is it possible to create a SECRET THEATER in which both musician & audience have completely disappeared--only to re-appear on another plane, where life & art have become the same thing, the pure giving of gifts?

THE Manachees and Carthars believed that the body can be spiritualized--or rather, that the body merely contaminates pure spirit & must be utterly rejected. The Gnostic perfecti (radical dualists) starved themselves to death to escape the body & return to the pleroma of pure light. So: to evade the evils of the flesh--murder, war, famine, greed--paradoxically only one path remains: murder of one's own body, war on the flesh, famine unto death, greed for salvation.

The radical monists however (Ismailis, Ranters, Antinomians) consider that body & spirit are one, that the same spirit which pervades a black stone also infuses the flesh with its light; that all lives & all is life.

"Things are what they are spontaneously...everything is natural...all in motion as if there were a True Lord to move them--but if we seek for evidence of this lord we fail to find any." (Kuo Hsiang)

Paradoxically, the monist path also cannot be followed without some sort of "murder, war, famine, greed": the transformation of death into life (food, negentropy)--war against the Empire of Lies--"fasting of the soul," or renunciation of the Lie, of all that is not life--& greed for life itself, the absolute power of desire.

Even more: without knowledge of the darkness ("carnal knowledge") there can exist no knowledge of the light ("gnosis"). The two knowledges are not merely complementary: say rather identical, like the same note played in different octaves. Heraclitus claims that reality persists in a state of "war." Only clashing notes can make harmony. ("Chaos is the sum of all orders.") Give each of these four terms a different mask of language (to call the Furies "The Kindly Ones" is not mere euphemism but a way of uncovering yet more meaning). Masked, ritualized, realized as art, the terms take on their dark beauty, their "Black Light."

Instead of murder say the hunt, the pure paleolithic economy of all archaic and non-authoritarian tribal society--"venery," both the killing & eating of flesh & the way of Venus, of desire. Instead of war say insurrection, not the revolution of classes & powers but of the eternal rebel, the dark one who uncovers light. Instead of greed say yearning, unconquerable desire, mad love. And then instead of famine, which is a kind of mutilation, speak of wholeness, plenty, superabundance, generosity of the self which spirals outward toward the Other.

Without this music of masks, nothing will be created. The oldest mythology makes Eros the firstborn of Chaos. Eros, the wild one who tames, is the door through which the artist returns to Chaos, the One, and then re-returns, comes back again, bearing one of the patterns of beauty. The artist, the hunter, the warrior: one who is both passionate and balanced, both greedy & altruistic to the utmost extreme. We must be saved from all salvations which save us from ourselves, from our animal which is also our anima, our very lifeforce, as well as our animus, our animating self-empowerment, which may even manifest as anger & greed. BABYLON has told us that our flesh is filth--with this device & the promise of salvation it enslaved us. But--if the flesh is already "saved," already light--if even consciousness itself is a kind of flesh, a palpable & simultaneous living aether--then we need no power to intercede for us. The wilderness, as Omar says, is paradise even now.

The true proprietorship of murder lies with the Empire, for only freedom is complete life. War is Babylonian as well--no free person will die for another's aggrandizement. Famine comes into existence only with the civilization of the saviors, the priest-kings--wasn't it Joseph who taught Pharaoh to speculate in grain futures? Greed--for land, for symbolic wealth, for power to deform others' souls & bodies for their own salvation--greed too arises not from "Nature nature-ing," but from the damming up & canalization of all energies for the Empire's Glory. Against all this, the artist possesses the dance of masks, the total radicalization of language, the invention of a "Poetic Terrorism" which will strike not at living beings but at malign ideas, dead-weights on the coffin-lid of our desires. The architecture of suffocation and paralysis will be blown up. only by our total celebration of everything-- even darkness.


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: stupidbodhranplayer
Date: 18 Jan 00 - 07:26 PM

I can't begin to comprehend your loss. I am terribly sorry to hear of it. I've lost my mother, three grandparents, and a number of dear friends over the years but nothing to commpare to what you are going through now. The Lord already holds your daughter, so my prayers are with you, the one left behind. Now on the other subject that's reared its ugly head, nearly every decent definition I've heard of folk music mentions the condition of the human spirit, the sharing of something dear, the celebrating of our joys and easing of our pain, the love of our family, friends and heritage. On any level this thread is folk music. It's why we have folk music. "It's a dirge that is murmered around the lowly grave, Oh Hard Times Come Again No More." Regardless, I have seen people I absolutely despised pass on, and I wouldn't tell their grieving families,or give them other cause to suffer any more than they already are. That's petty, disgusting, immoral, and just plain wrong. I'll pray for you too. Getting back to the matter at hand , My heart and prayers go out to you, Metchosin, and I'm sorry you had to put up with this. Love, Rich


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Áine
Date: 18 Jan 00 - 07:27 PM

Dear No Name,

I sure hope that you feel better now -- but, wouldn't an enema have been quicker and more effective?


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 18 Jan 00 - 07:38 PM

Hey stupidbodhranplayer, why do you call yourself that? You seem far from stupid.

Jon

(mindyou I still wonder about bodhran players ;-) )


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From:
Date: 18 Jan 00 - 11:49 PM

Most teenagers die because of their own foolishness, more than likely this teenager was also at fault.

To see such a site try Parents Against Speeding Teens Click Here


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Subject: RE: Non-music- Healing for grieving mom
From:
Date: 19 Jan 00 - 12:13 AM

Nice page referral, it is good to know that someting is being done.


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