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Subject: BS: Whats your shortage or is it hype?
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Oct 21 - 09:29 AM

I haven't noticed a shortage but there is supply chain talk.
My list of essentials might just be small since I don't have a business. It is said that the shortage of truckers and earlier cutbacks are at fault.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage or is it hype?
From: Rain Dog
Date: 13 Oct 21 - 09:36 AM

Common sense is in short supply.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage or is it hype?
From: Sol
Date: 13 Oct 21 - 09:37 AM

There's been a shortage of common sense for a while now.
It seems to be a rare commodity these days.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage or is it hype?
From: Sol
Date: 13 Oct 21 - 09:38 AM

Sorry, RD. That was a 'Snap'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage or is it hype?
From: Rain Dog
Date: 13 Oct 21 - 09:49 AM

No need to apologise. I would imagine that quite a lot of people think the same.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage or is it hype?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Oct 21 - 10:30 AM

My shortage is money..

.. and yes it would buy me happiness.. lot's more of it...


[I've already got love, that came free - so the Beatles can eff off..]


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Oct 21 - 10:47 AM

There aren't many handbags and there are fewer shoes at DSW, where I usually enjoy taking a look at the clearance area.

Nearly half a million shipping containers are stuck off the coast of Southern California as the ports operate below capacity

Wall Street Journal (may hit a paywall): Biggest U.S. Retailers Charter Private Cargo Ships to Sail Around Port Delays
Home Depot, Costco and Walmart resort to private charters in push to stock shelves for holiday shoppers

Just for starters. None of these are the article I read yesterday about an east coast port that is full of extra shipping containers, I'm not sure where I saw that. But it is a growing problem.

The heart of this shortage is not enough truck drivers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage or is it hype?
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 13 Oct 21 - 10:51 AM

recently someone here said/wrote 'We don't have enough villages for the idiots we are producing.'

Going back to the original shortage - I don't know where I read/heard this - toilet paper apparently run out in some city, well before covid arrived, but the idea led to supermarket stampedes all over the world. Google doesn't confirm or deny it, snopes has nothing either, but there are zillions of articles about the world world shortages, & the toilet paper industries.

What Everyone’s Getting Wrong About the Toilet Paper Shortage


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Rain Dog
Date: 13 Oct 21 - 10:53 AM

Quite a few of us would be happier with more money. At least quite a few of us would be happy to know that we had enough money to cover our costs for the remainder of our lives.

One of my more favourite sayings is : If you want to make God laugh just tell him your plans.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Rain Dog
Date: 13 Oct 21 - 10:58 AM

Nothing new under the sun

Toilet paper shortage 1973


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Oct 21 - 10:59 AM

Haven't been able to get vegetable pad thai at Trader Joe's for almost 2 months now, but I'll get by. Some folks have real problems.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Oct 21 - 11:11 AM

I'm short. Does that count?


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Oct 21 - 11:39 AM

Raindog, God's laughter made me laugh.

The politicians doing the misleading away from common sense are NOT doing it for more money, THEY ARE DOING IT FOR A SHITLOAD OF MONEY.
BLOOD $


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Oct 21 - 06:00 PM

I think you may find Donuel that the current news coverage (certainly on this side of the pond) is about shortages that relate primarily to concerns in the UK and to an extent Europe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Oct 21 - 06:01 PM

I should also have added that I wasn't aware of shortages in the USA.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Oct 21 - 07:36 PM

Our version of BBC/BBC America mentions gas shortages due to manufactures cutting back on supply and now facing a large demand.
There is no one cause for the tie up of goods. No regulations of the process of imports is possibly one reason. The transportation theory of better quicker faster was replaced with 'just in time' shipping which seems stupid and contributory to the problems. I can list many more possible causes but just speeding up could break the system more. I guess its a real sticky wicket.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Oct 21 - 08:46 AM

There are massive strikes as well in Striketober

Screen writers have even joined the strike


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: leeneia
Date: 14 Oct 21 - 01:49 PM

There was no distilled water in the large supermarket I usually shop at. In fact, the entire area of various kinds of water in gallon bottles was over half empty.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Oct 21 - 02:31 PM

The supermarket is usually out of something I want, unless it's a local thing. Consistently, it's been the antacids I've been getting there for years. I asked, and the stocker said she orders that type, and they send something else. I'm so used to getting what I want, when I want it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Oct 21 - 02:58 PM

Plain popcorn works like an antacid


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: gillymor
Date: 14 Oct 21 - 03:34 PM

My favorite anti-acid is a couple of multi-grain toaster waffles from Van's, Eggo or Trader Joe, all good. 6 or 7 oz. of ginger ale works well also but, of course, everyone's got different chemistry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Oct 21 - 03:40 PM

Plain popcorn doesn't work like that for me. Plus, I have to get out of bed, and pop it, and that involves oil, which is one thing that sets off my heartburn. Another thing is having to get out of bed in the middle of the night.

Why is it I complain about a shortage, and get medical advice? I think y'all have been watching too many doctor shows on TV or sumpthin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: gillymor
Date: 14 Oct 21 - 03:54 PM

Wait til you get my bill.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Oct 21 - 04:40 PM

Just bill Medicare.
Seriously, it was toilet paper, then aluminum foil, then liquid smoke, and cocoa, and bleach. I'm also still pissed at Kettle brand potato chips for discontinuing their maple bacon flavor, which was the best in the history of potato chips, but that wasn't a supply issue, or related to the pandemic, and probably kept me for being enormous, but... (I didn't get enormous, but my sentences apparently have.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Oct 21 - 05:17 PM

Then you must be getting Kettle Chips cooked in fresh oil which is then shipped here. Kettle Chips this end are greasy and rancid. Tyrrell's, on the other hand, are great. As a fellow heartburn victim (though I have it under control), I sympathise with you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Oct 21 - 06:49 PM

"Kettle" is, in this case, the brand, and they're the best, IMO. We don't have Tyrell's here. There's a Canadian brand, "Miss Vickie's", but the only kind I've ever seen here are vinegar an salt. I love vinegar and salt on chips, but not the potato chips (crisps).

For some reason, this past summer, July and August, when we had a heat wave, I lost my appetite. Lost some weight, and my heartburn cut way back. I didn't enjoy the heat, but I enjoyed the weight loss.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Oct 21 - 07:13 PM

A good few years ago we could buy the best crisps ever. They were called Cape Cod. They suddenly disappeared.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Oct 21 - 08:07 PM

We get Cape Cod crisps. I really like them, and they ARE great. If there were a way to send you a case, I would. (I could probably send them, but I don't know if they'd be crumbs when they arrived.)

I'm not off-topic, am I? ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Oct 21 - 08:48 PM

Definitely not! I'm suffering from a shortage!


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Oct 21 - 09:13 PM

We bought a new dishwasher in early February. It was finally installed in late August.

Plastics shortage in US.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Oct 21 - 09:36 PM

I'm waiting for a door. Doors - main door and screen door. Ordered in Aug, was supposed to be here in Oct. The latest is, they figure December. I'm hoping the current one doesn't just go "plop" one day. I have plastic sheeting, but I'd rather have a door.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Oct 21 - 10:46 PM

Apple is destined to make millions fewer of it's newest iPhone because of chip shortages.

Aldi's sells Clancy's kettle chips and a couple of years ago they discontinued the salt and cracked black pepper flavor that was fabulous. I've tried the Winco brand and they don't have enough big chunks of pepper in them. So there is a pepper shortage and a good chip shortage.

The UK may have a petrol shortage because of too few truck drivers; the US has a general distribution problem from ports where the shipping containers are offloaded because of too few truckers. What we have in common is too few truckers. In the UK instance that is a self-inflicted wound.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Rain Dog
Date: 15 Oct 21 - 02:18 AM

"What we have in common is too few truckers. In the UK instance that is a self-inflicted wound."

Not quite true. Here in the UK Brexit has played a part in the problem. There was no testing of HGV drivers for over a year, so we lost out on new drivers entering the industry. We have also had the problem of fewer people wanting to be drivers, along with older drivers retiring earlier. The poor conditions and low wages are mainly to play for that.

In the USA you don't have our Brexit problem. You didn't have our nationwide lack of issuing new HGV licences. I assume your licences are issued on a state by state basis. Yet you have a shortage of drivers along with problems at your west coast ports.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Mr Red
Date: 15 Oct 21 - 09:51 AM

I guess its a real sticky wicket.
Oi, Donuel, You lot fought a war to not be British. Now you want our catch phrases. It just ain't cricket. Don't ya know?
No shortage of trite soundbites though.

We are running short of bangers - dare I say not a sausage? But it looks like we are well supplied with potatoes. Less bangers and mash - more of a whimper.

So, send Johnny foreigner back home, and! Well! Who'ldathoughtit?

Woulds anyone care to speculate the next UK domino to fall?


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Rain Dog
Date: 15 Oct 21 - 11:17 AM

No pigs in blankets for Christmas?

What is the world coming to?


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Mr Red
Date: 16 Oct 21 - 01:16 PM

It's beginning to look a lot like Brexshit


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Oct 21 - 04:21 PM

I thought y'all were on about *shrinkage* - oops.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: gillymor
Date: 16 Oct 21 - 04:28 PM

I was in the pool, I was in the pool!


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Oct 21 - 07:29 PM

Not just the west coast, also the east and other secondary ports. COVID-19 seems to have been a culprit in the shortage of drivers (though they spend their time alone in the truck, and I would think could manage to avoid much close contact with people at gas stations and get meals takeout.) I expect there is an analysis somewhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Oct 21 - 09:37 PM

The English channel is backed up with ships as well as Asian ports. Its going to take 6 months to a year to sort it out providing there are no submarine wolfpack attacks on container ships. In the meantime this constipation of goods will eventually end with a painful push. All the new QLED TVs will be new but a year old to start. I hope to watch the Marx brothers on the new old TVs, you know Harpo, Cheeto, Plato and Groucho. The higher resolution will make them look much the same.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Oct 21 - 04:23 PM

I just bought an ink jet printer from Dell for printing photos. If you scan the offerings in printers at Dell, you'll find half-to three quarters of some categories are "temporarily out of stock." That's the supply chain gummed up for Dell. The printer I wanted was a little less typical and a bit more expensive than most of them (I wanted more ink colors and the "eco-tank" large capacity - so I paid full price for the printer because I won't be buying expensive little ink cartridges. When you buy cheap printers with cartridges you pay for the printer several times over via expensive ink). Amazon had it listed also, it isn't out of stock. Yet. But I decided this wasn't the year to wait and put it on my xmas wish list. By December they are liable to be out of stock.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Charmion
Date: 17 Oct 21 - 05:01 PM

Supply chain problems have emptied car lots across southern Ontario and put off thousands of construction and renovation projects, including my damnable bathroom. Large stretches of shelving at Canadian Tire lie empty or stacked with bulky, low-value local goods, such as garden waste bags, paper towels and pet litter, that would normally be in bins blocking the gangway.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, COVID is the thief that keeps on taking.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Joe_F
Date: 17 Oct 21 - 05:43 PM

The Stop & Shop in Malden, MA has been out of jumbo eggs for a week now. I don't imagine they are all in a container ship off Los Angeles. Actually, it might be kind of fun to imagine it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Oct 21 - 06:19 PM

There are also the parcels lost in the large rolling carts at the post office in the US. Louis DeJoy is STILL the Postmaster General (I thought having appointed enough new members Biden's folks could oust him but not so far.) Now they're saying first class postage will slow down. Many of the broken or demolished sorters haven't been repaired or replaced.

It's a mess. Keeping the labor force going was something Trump was paying no attention to during his term in office and Biden has his hands full fixing so much stuff that Trump broke that it isn't all going to happen at once.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Oct 21 - 07:02 PM

I was just reading a local article (campus newspaper from my employing university) and the local restaurants are reporting beef shortages (not enough workers to process the animals) and vegetables (delivery drivers to markets.) Let's hope there is a huge driver education push to train new truck drivers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Rain Dog
Date: 18 Oct 21 - 04:36 AM

Is there any explanation for the shortage of those workers? Is it due to unsafe working conditions due to covid or is it self inflicted?

Meat processing is hard work in unpleasant conditions.

Here in the UK, The Guardian has reported on the exploitation of workers across the EU and the UK in this industry.

EU ‘failing to stop meat industry exploiting agency workers’

Revealed: exploitation of meat plant workers rife across UK and Europe


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Oct 21 - 08:29 AM

Would you continue an unsatisfying job with added dangers? Many don't and quit. Then without child care women are compelled to quit their job. Irrational reasons to quit includes not getting vaccinated, yet some choose that reason.
I wonder how the crews of container ships are doing, especially if not vaccinated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Oct 21 - 10:38 AM

There is a shift in employment at many levels of the working world. As reported in The Atlantic, since spring of 2020 a number of industries are seeing not just people leave because they become ill from COVID-19, but because they have better offers with conditions and wages improved. The Great Resignation Is Accelerating

“Quits,” as the Bureau of Labor Statistics calls them, are rising in almost every industry. For those in leisure and hospitality, especially, the workplace must feel like one giant revolving door. Nearly 7 percent of employees in the “accommodations and food services” sector left their job in August. That means one in 14 hotel clerks, restaurant servers, and barbacks said sayonara in a single month. Thanks to several pandemic-relief checks, a rent moratorium, and student-loan forgiveness, everybody, particularly if they are young and have a low income, has more freedom to quit jobs they hate and hop to something else.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Oct 21 - 11:40 AM

"Irrational reasons to quit includes not getting vaccinated, yet some choose that reason."

Unless your unvaccinated employee or potential employee works in a hospital or care home it's irrational to regard them as not employable. If they are already in your employ, it's irrational to sack them. We live in democracies. Persuasion, not compulsion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: gillymor
Date: 18 Oct 21 - 12:20 PM

If I were still in business today I would require all my employees to get vaccinated against COVID19. I would not allow a selfish numbskull to jeopardize my health and livelihood and the health and livelihood of my employees who'd done the right thing for themselves and each other by getting vaccinated. I only employed carpenters and laborers so there was no question of working from home.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Oct 21 - 01:28 PM

4 Questions About the Supply Chain from the New York Times (click through each slide).


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Oct 21 - 01:51 PM

Those "selfish numbskulls" are quite likely the victims of false claims and conspiracy theories propagated on social media. We sit them down, give them the real facts and persuade them to get the vaccine. Call them names and they won't get the vaccine, they'll be out and about at large and will pose just as much risk as they did in your factory or office. Maybe not to you, but hey ho.

In my view, the real numbskulls are the droves of people who think that they simply can't live without Facebook and the rest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 06:26 AM

I personally don't give a flying fart about needles, Dave, but I know two people who faint at the very thought. They've both gritted their teeth and been and gone and done it, good for them. But they chose it and their jobs weren't threatened. We are not all the same. So I do think there's a difference.

And, on topic, this policy is going to massively exacerbate the already severe shortage of care workers. I don't call that rational. Who knows, poorer care, many more deaths of vulnerable people...


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 08:45 AM

Maybe that was the plan all along!

Yes, shortage of any workers is pretty bad and leads to shortages of all sorts of other things, including life :-( You and I are of an age where maybe it will not matter as much but I hope our kids and grandkids do not catch the fallout from all this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 10:22 AM

The rest of that off-topic discussion was moved to the COVID-19 thread. Ironic, perhaps, but here we're not talking about COVID-19 so much as the effects of it.

I paid attention in Aldi yesterday to where there were shortages, but that could just be this particular Aldi on this particular day. They were a bit low on toilet paper, there were frozen things that weren't in view (just the empty slot where the boxes go). It might not be that they're short of the items, but are staff-wise short a stocker.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 01:43 PM

Heroin and Oxycontin is as rare as hens teeth due to supply chain problems. https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/covid/Covid-19-and-drug-supply-chain-Mai2020.pdf


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 08:36 PM

On the bright side there is a shortage of Halloween junk and costumns.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 10:23 PM

They're probably trying to source the oxy from the wrong sources. Even with the lawsuit the Sackler family made sure there is a huge amount of that stuff still on the street.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Oct 21 - 07:21 AM

Due to a shortage of glass bottles, wineries are expecting to have an on going bottleneck in production.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 02:24 AM

I'll have to load up then - I found an acceptable Shiraz from Yellow Tail that comes with a screw top - you know how hard those are to find? I'll pick up a few extra bottles next time I'm past the grocery store that carries a particularly low-end selection of wines. (These are good compared to the Mad Dog 2020, etc.)

The new printer is installed (that was a LOT of work and reorganizing of furniture and equipment) and I've bookmarked the places that supply ink. Hopefully I won't need more ink until long after all of this supply chain clog has resolved itself.

My office is looking like a studio these days. I have plenty of disks for burning copies of any music I convert from LP, cassette, or reel-to-reel. I'm set for the slides I want to scan. I'll muscle through the shortage as I work on my various projects. (Let's just hope that wine and chocolate don't become scarce.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 06:51 AM

I hear that some people here use Yellow Tail as drain cleaner ;-) To be fair, the last time I tried their Shiraz was in Oz in 2006. I hope it's improved!


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 07:29 AM

Not quite true. Here in the UK Brexit has played a part in the problem.

Road Haulage Association figures

60K short by the end of 2019, Europeans leaving before the deadline?
20K left for Europe in 2020 plus 20K wary of the HGV test because of COVID, and HGV testers - not enough at work, cain't do it over Zoom. And alternate buses not running because of a shortage of drivers. HGV pays more!

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo

It's beginning to look at lot like Brexshit, every where you look.

Logic would tell you it would happen, something to do with the Schengen Agreement. Look it up. The first domino?


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 08:14 AM

There is a shortage of toys, decor and gifts this Christmas.
So all we have is friends, family and celebration of the Christ child?
I want an air fryer dammit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Rain Dog
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 09:14 AM

"Here in the UK Brexit has played a part in the problem."

As I said, it has played a part and will continue to do so for a good while yet. There is not going to be a rush of drivers wanting to come here.

This is one of the better articles I have read on the problem. Unfortunatly I could not create a clicky, web address seems to be too long.

https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/supply-chain/the-real-causes-of-the-hgv-driver-shortage-and-why-we-cant-blame-it-all-on-brexit/659841.article

From The Grocer website by Harry Holmes 19th September

"There are now more than 230,000 HGV licence holders under the age of 45 alone in the UK deciding not to work in the commercial haulage sector. For whatever reason, these people have spent around £3,000 acquiring an HGV license only to later opt out of driving commercial vehicles for a living.

To put that in perspective, there are more 30 to 34-year-olds that fall into this category than there were total EU drivers in the UK before the pandemic.

It is unclear exactly why the numbers are so high, although working conditions, salary rates, and unsociable hours are all thought to be factors in the exodus of qualified people from the industry.

Many individuals also hold an HGV licence for use in other roles such as driving distribution vans for the likes of Amazon and Ocado, while others will have moved into managerial roles. Some drivers will inevitably have stopped working altogether."


Link coded by hand and inserted. ---mudelf


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Charmion
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 09:27 AM

Here in southwestern Ontario, the industrial heartland of Canada, I am now heading into my third month of waiting for new spectacles.

I don’t know where the problem is, but it’s big and it’s not just supply; it’s also quality. I ordered the specs in late July hoping for delivery in time for an early September road trip, and when they finally arrived in mid-October the lenses were ground wrong. So now I’m hoping for my July specs to arrive for Christmas.

I have worn specs since 1962, and I have never heard of problems like this before.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 12:51 PM

Charmion, I started using Zenni a few years ago and have been totally happy with the results. It looks like their standard shipping to Canada is 2 to 3 weeks. I typically receive my glasses within 2 to 3 weeks after placing the order, so that's about 10 days for production and a week for shipping within the US. I'm guessing you'd be looking at an extra week.

The thing with them is to upload a headshot and then you can try on your glasses virtually. The main number to know is "PD" - pupil distance - and that never changes, so once you have it you're set. And knowing how to enter your Rx into the form. I found the staff at the optometrist's office were helpful in explaining what each set of numbers means, including telling me my PD number.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 04:16 PM

I went to Micheal's a craft store. No Halloween stuff. No glue. No brushs. Wide empty ailes and shelves of repetition like storage boxes spread out instead of stacked.
i could use new lenses too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: leeneia
Date: 25 Oct 21 - 01:02 PM

No Halloween stuff at Michaels?! That is a shortage.

The DH put up the purple lights on our porch a few days ago. Time to think about trick or treaters.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: leeneia
Date: 26 Oct 21 - 05:44 PM

Another shortage - I asked McDonald's for some strawberry jam for my sausage biscuit, but when I opened the bag, there were two packets of grape jelly in it. ugh


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 21 - 08:16 PM

Someone said they had a money shortage. Elon Musk got an extra 36 billion dollars yesterday. He is steamed that he may have to pay taxes and said, "They will run out of money and go after people like you next". -poor bunny-
They already go after the poor with sales tax that exceeds their income tax. The billionaire tax only effects about 750 folks here.
When a wealthy person needs to spend money on anything they ALWAYS borrow and NEVER touch their principle. They will payback slowly so that future dollars are worth less then deduct the loan. Sales tax for the billionaires is a tenth of one percent of a rounding error. Its basicly 0.
The rich get what they pay for when they purchase Congressman and rent Senators to protect their own interests. Wealth behavior would be strangely alien to the average person.
For a multi billionaire Elon at least makes something. Many don't make anything.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 02:00 PM

Shipping is broken. Here’s how to fix it. from Recode via VOX.

Holiday season shipping is making supply chain problems worse, but there’s hope for next year.

By Rebecca Heilweil Nov 5, 2021, 12:30pm EDT

As of Friday morning, approximately 70 ships filled with cargo were anchored outside the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach, which are the points of entry for more than 40 percent of US imports. This backlog is a clear reminder that there aren’t enough workers or facilities to take in all the products that are being shipped to the United States right now. But even as supply chain problems continue to pile up, experts say progress is possible.

The pandemic has exposed the fragility of the US logistics industry. Manufacturing bottlenecks and shipping delays have resulted in cargo piling up not only in port terminals but also in rail yards and warehouses. Critical equipment, like shipping containers and truck chassis, is unavailable, causing distribution centers to develop deep backlogs. Meanwhile, a surge in demand has strained the system even further.

The consequences of the logistics crunch are far-reaching. Shipping problems have made it harder to import medical supplies and export crops. Supply chain workers, including truck drivers and warehouse workers, are taking on grueling extra hours. Extra activity at the ports has driven up emissions and worsened the air quality for the communities that live in the surrounding areas. At the same time, small businesses are worried that, without supplies, they’ll lose critical holiday season sales to larger retailers like Home Depot and Walmart, which have chartered private cargo ships. There’s also growing concern that logistics issues are driving up prices on all sorts of everyday products.


to read the rest follow the link.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Rain Dog
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 02:32 PM

Brexit does seem to be causing you problems in the US.

From the article from Recode/Vox

"One step to address the labor shortage would be to change the federal government’s approach to drug testing truck drivers. Right now, Department of Transportation regulations don’t allow commercial truck drivers to use cannabis, even if those drivers use the drug in their off-hours and live in states where it’s legal. Most of the tens of thousands of drivers who have lost access to their commercial driver’s licenses over the past two years have tested positive for cannabis, which is why some supply chain experts think it’s time to relax the rules."

That seems a sensible approach! I would like more accurate figures than 'tens of thousands'

Covid has caused a huge amount of problems to the transport industry. I guess we could buy less stuff.

Living in such a large country does add to your problems. Here in the UK it is easier for a haulier to collect, deliver and then return to the port to collect another container the following day. Well, easier in theory anyway. We also have the problem of too many empty containers taking up space.


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From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 03:13 PM

There doesn’t appear to be any shortage of fireworks - they’ve been going off like the opening barrage of The Battle of The Somme every night for the past week, and I reckon they’ll be going for another week or so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 08:29 PM

There is a shortage of truck drivers. Many of the existing drivers will not obey vaccine OR testing mandates. I call this an American standoff.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Rain Dog
Date: 06 Nov 21 - 05:08 AM

Staff shortages are causing problems in Australia too.

Australia jobs: 'The staffing issue is impossible'

"Pandemic border closures have further exacerbated a serious skills shortage that has, for years, held Australia's economy back.

Many foreign workers swiftly returned to their home nations when parts of the Australian economy retreated into a long and uncertain Covid hibernation.

Now, blinking in the spring sunshine, Sydneysiders, Melburnians and Canberrans are now emerging from their Covid caves, and are eager to spend, however, many businesses are facing a chronic labour crunch - they can't find enough staff to keep their businesses running."


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Nov 21 - 10:43 AM

I'm hoping that a new cohort of truck drivers steps in as they get the training (and encouragement) - there are more women driving truck than ever before. And it is becoming a job that many Sikh men are deciding to do. Part of the trouble for trucking is that every time there is some horrific crash with a family vehicle pulverized under the trailer of a truck driven by a sleep-deprived driver, laws are put into effect regarding the length of time people can drive before pulling over to sleep. Logs must be kept. So of course there are separate records kept to be shown at the weigh stations where these things are inspected. This story is from 2018 - this shortage of truckers isn't new, it just got a lot worse during the COVID-19 era.

If it comes to a point where pay is good enough so a reasonable work day (or driving in teams) is what truckers choose, it will be better for everyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Rain Dog
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 03:43 AM

An informative article from The Guardian about toy shortages. Not just toys of course. The article also points out the problems in China with power supplies and a shortage of skilled labour.

China, shipping and Brexit: why UK may face Christmas toy shortage


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 04:01 AM

So Santa's workshop has labor problems and sick reindeer have caused transportation tie ups.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 11:39 AM

We shop weekly at Morrisons and Tesco. My husband likes turkey pieces to roast and add to his Fiery Horror curries, but there were no packs of turkey legs/wings etc. I think they're saving whole turkeys for Christmas (there were lots of those in the big freezers)
Also, Tropicana orange juice was missing today. However the milk situation was as normal, with plenty of blue-top in all sizes (I adore full milk)
Such a relief to have all petrol stations open and no long queues.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 12:59 PM

In the US the automobile marketplace has been hit by the lack of chips (out of China) and such that go into new vehicles - and has put pressure on both the new and used car markets. I spoke to a guy recently who had to wait two months to take delivery of his new Toyota pickup.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 01:33 PM

I heard that cheap, plastic toys made in China might be unavailable for Christmas. I think this may be a good thing. Do we really need so much plastic junk that gets chucked out after a few weeks' play?


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 03:39 PM

It is Taiwan that supplies the most chips.


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From: Mr Red
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 07:17 AM

even if those drivers use the drug in their off-hours and live in states where it’s legal.

I've said this often enough:

News Scientist reported on research that revealed the probaility that 7 days after imbibing cannabis there is a peak of aggression. Just the thing you want for drivers, particularly trucks. Maybe NHTSA has read the same reports.

My impression from colleagues & acquaintances is that it is a withdrawal symptom that is a stress. Aggressive people are aggressive. Paranoic folks are paranoic. I have observed both in known users.

And a friend did explain her hubby got so bad at 5 days she got him some more and at day 12 (7 day gap) it re-surfaced, he is a lorry driver. She had to give it up personally because the railway authority she worked for tested regularly and it can be detected 1 month later. She was an emergency rail traffic controller!


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Rain Dog
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 07:31 AM

Even more worrying considering the long distances they have to travel. I don't know if they are as tight on driving hours as they are here in the UK.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 08:29 AM

Aggression is NOT a cannabis withdrawl factor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 09:33 AM

But you have a point with irritability and anxiety.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 06:48 PM

There are now more than 230,000 HGV licence holders under the age of 45 alone in the UK deciding not to work in the commercial haulage sector.

Too easy a stat to trot out. People leave trucking all the time, it is called life. The industry trains new drivers all the time. In an ideal world that would be just slightly overbalanced. In 2015 it was obvious the new balance had to take into account Johnny Foreigner leaving the land of Xenophobia. To the point that the imbalance reached 60K by the end of 2019. Pre-COVID. Low wages is a cop-out excuse until you are forced to admit that Johnny Foreigner was willing to work for the low wages, as long as (s)he felt welcome.

Did the UK Gov &/or industry acknowledge the inevitable and up the training of replacements?

We can blame the Evergreen/Suez debacle for shortages too. Re-routed ships taking longer, empty containers in the wrong place. The system of world trade is so narrowly tuned, there is no slack in it. And COVID hasn't finished with us yet.

Given the rise of nationalism everywhere and these shortages, I see isolationism shaking its head in sarcastic reproof.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 07:29 PM

Shipping is only a segment of many private entity components. Ther is not an overarching communication center or government regulatory process.

I make games. My first one was called Power and Greed. It made the papers but not a profit. This is not the best time to release new products. My new game is called Fantasy Politics. It is similar to Fantasy Football in real time but with grave consequences. For example when you land on Excess Hollywood the polls determine the candidates to be Tom Hanks vs. Ted Nugent in 2024. Well anyway with 908 containers with the new game sitting out in the harbor for three months the ad campaign has been canceled. Purchase contracts are canceled as well as distribution. Fortunately there is a virtual digital internet version of fantasy politics which has a favorable rating greater than Biden.
It even works better than HBO max.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Rain Dog
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 02:50 AM

"Low wages is a cop-out excuse until you are forced to admit that Johnny Foreigner was willing to work for the low wages, as long as (s)he felt welcome."

Well here in the UK, low wages have largely been the result of suppliers refusing to pay a proper rate for the haulage. It has been that way for years. Transport is just another undervalued industry.

You reap what you sew. All those 'free' deliveries are coming home to roost, along with the covid and brexit effects.

Unfortunately there are no quick and easy solutions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 02:58 AM

"You reap what you sew"

You'll have me stitches in a minute! (Sorry, couldn't resist that one....)


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Rain Dog
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 03:37 AM

I blame the early start, well earlier than normal. Bin day. We have been lucky down here and have only had minor disruptions to the refuse collections.

On a sewing related issue (or rather a lack of sewing), i have been looking for safety pins but have not managed to find any. Will try a couple of other shops today.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Mr Red
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 03:53 AM

the result of suppliers refusing to pay a proper rate for the haulage

A race to the bottom. But then if we drill even further the haulage industry economics is based on cheap fuel.

On a global warming scale we are beginning to reap what we have declined to sow IMNSHO. Or is that a needle point (:?
A tragedy of the commons fer sure.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 07:40 AM

My opinion is that transportaion and warehouse jobs have been progressively underpaid until now those jobs are at subsistance levels and not worth the effort. The entire middle class has been strangled for the benefit of the richest. Yes supply, demand and Covid have a role in the shortagex but global economies have reached an inflection point. Why don't truckers work, rich people ask with no knowledge of the actual take home pay of the trucker. Its a job that giveth and taketh away by ~ half. To fix the problem employers and owners will have to give back.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 10:56 AM

It's necessary to reign in the hedge funds that shop around to find companies to invest in then squeeze for higher profits (always at the expense of innovation and employee welfare). Read about Paul Singer and his Elliott hedge fund - he's truly an awful human being. (It's a very long read.)

It's necessary to address the Citizens United ruling that allows corporations to have a voice as if they're people. Except they're really really rich people who have made the political climate all the more fraught since that ruling. Thank you, supreme court.

It's necessary to regulate the ability of companies to purchase back their own stock - it didn't used to be possible, but the banking and investment regulations changed and suddenly investment isn't in the company and it's product and people, it's in buying back stock. Ask Senator Elizabeth Warren about this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Nov 21 - 05:48 AM

Well said. Don't forget the shortage of food banks this year as billionaires play in low Earth orbit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Nov 21 - 07:45 AM

Aluminum can shortage should last 2 years https://www.wastedive.com/news/ball-molson-coors-aluminum-can-shortage-production/595207/


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Rain Dog
Date: 14 Nov 21 - 04:39 AM

Talk now is of a shortage of cab drivers here in some parts of the UK

"For people crowding back into restaurants, stumbling out of reopened clubs, or heading again to airports, life is getting back to normal. At least that is until they pick up their phone for a taxi, or search a ride-hailing app, in vain. Where have all the cab drivers gone?

"It’s horrendous,” says Steve Farrier, owner of Alpha Cars in Havant, Hampshire. “You can’t get drivers for love or money. You don’t get a break.” He turns the automated booking service off at weekends, “or we couldn’t meet the demand”.

For most of 2020 and 2021, it was customers that were missing, as Covid killed the cab trade. Now firms small and large, from Alpha to Uber, lack drivers at a time when business could boom again.

Many cab drivers who left – for sectors such as retail, which have staff shortages of their own – have little desire to return. Others face long waits for paperwork and tests. And those who stayed can choose the jobs they take, leaving the less lucrative pick-ups stranded.

If a taxi is a luxury for some, it remains a lifeline in rural areas without public transport, for shift workers, those with disabilities, and people out late – particularly women, whose safety has again been put squarely in focus this year."

The Observer


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Joe_F
Date: 14 Nov 21 - 05:55 PM

Amazingly, yesterday my Stop & Shop was back in jumbo eggs. There were plenty of them; I didn't have to hunt. And there were 1-quart bottle of whole milk; usually, there is nothing smaller than half a gallon. What did I do to ingratiate myself with the shortage demons?


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Nov 21 - 06:06 PM

I swing by DSW shoe store periodically to see what is in the clearance section, and because this time of year I can sometimes snag a nice handbag or garment as a gift item. I looked through my shoe size area and about half of the shelves were empty, usually they would be crammed full of the clearance shoes. Fewer shoes being sent back there because a lot are stuck out at sea somewhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Mr Red
Date: 15 Nov 21 - 04:06 AM

It will all end in tears. Believe me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Nov 21 - 06:01 AM

Red, thats a great line in Hitchiker's Guide too.
We did 2 years in semi isolation, we're tough enough to endure 2 more years of its after effects. I don't think "for the lack of pumps, a nation was lost".


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Nov 21 - 06:30 AM

Back in an America when they used to make shoes, we would cross the bridge over the mighty Susquahanna river and watch the Endicott-Johnson shoe company release their excess tourquoise shoe dye that turned the entire river a brilliant beautiful blue green.


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