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BS: time to change US flag

McGrath of Harlow 30 Apr 21 - 04:56 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 04:56 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 03:11 PM

I'd assume that Biden would see striving to be a millionaire as more or less the polar opposite of wanting to get to heaven. "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 02:57 PM

...I'm sure you'll agree, Robomatic, that some having millions while many live below the poverty line, goes beyond being unfair...inhumane/revolting/disgraceful...


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: robomatic
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 02:25 PM

Mr. Red:

I like your response, no need to grasp any more. But then we'd be in 'heaven' so presumably have no needs.

I loved that Browning quote because it's a simple way to distinguish between ideals and realities.

WV: I think that 'fairness' IS one of those ideals that must be distinguished from realities. I don't think we can agree on what is fair. Or, maybe more realistically, getting to something we can agree is fair will take more time and effort than is gained by putting it in force. After all, the 'law' isn't really fair. At it's best it is 'consistent'. And often when the cry of 'unfair' is raised, what it really means is a law or policy that it not enforced consistently. Which brings us back to regulations. So I endorse the last line of your previous post. And I think a definition of 'fair' comes from when regulations appear to be working, and the perception of fairness is obtained.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 11:04 AM

Watching a discussion on NHK World, I heard that in Japan a CEO is paid about 10 times more than the lowest earner in a company; in Europe, it is about 30 times more; and, in the USA, more than 300 times more...with "Grapes of Wrath" (Steinbeck).

I think The United Nations should decide the multiplier, Robomatic.

We don't want freedom - along with better cooperation, we want regulations that make competition as fair as possible.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Mr Red
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 02:28 AM

or what's a heaven for?

So you no longer feel the need to grasp.

The trouble is, that to some folks grasp is too weak a concept. And certainly not allegorical.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: robomatic
Date: 29 Apr 21 - 05:35 PM

WV, I've long felt that way, but who decides the multiplier?


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 Apr 21 - 04:17 PM

If the poem is pertinent, why not, SRS?..after all, you just called me "WAV"!

And nothing wrong with striving, Robomatic, but NOT to be 100s of times wealthier than our fellow human beings.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Apr 21 - 03:47 PM

WAV, will you please stop promoting your awful poetry in every topic you come across? Except that someone responded to you that last one would have been deleted.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: robomatic
Date: 29 Apr 21 - 03:16 PM

"Ah but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?"

-Browning


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 Apr 21 - 02:14 PM

Time to change the US: Biden, after 100 days in office, just said that, as long as you pay your share, it is ok to be a billionaire - by God, that level of inequality is NOT acceptable; my WalkaboutsVerse poem on "Global Regulationism"


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Apr 21 - 08:56 AM

Kinda sounds like a white flag of surrender. Also seems like a silly suggestion...


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: JHW
Date: 29 Apr 21 - 06:06 AM

The title is 'time to change US flag' So how about one with no stars? Something else altogether. No stars. No stripes. Good for keeps.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Apr 21 - 03:07 PM

Speaking of Earthquakes we just had a 4.8 9 miles from town, otherwise we might not have noticed it.

Why not just 'DC'. You could probably get the comic book people to pay for the State Capitol building. They could put their logo over the portico. The Governor could dress like Superman.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Mr Red
Date: 26 Apr 21 - 06:20 PM

That'd shake up


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: mg
Date: 25 Apr 21 - 05:09 PM

How about plain old Douglass? Or if you want to keep DC how about Douglass Carver. No Washington in it. Or else change Washington State to Cascadia or Utopia or Tsunami Zone or something.

I know..Earthquakia.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: robomatic
Date: 25 Apr 21 - 02:38 PM

Jos: You got me! Guilty of the very joke!

No wonder Boston (Mass) is called 'the hub' by the locals.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Apr 21 - 01:54 PM

There is a high class place called "The Inn at Little Washington""
It is in Virginia... *shrug*

Perhaps this potential state could be "Little Washington" No more complicated than North or South Carolina
Then the restaurant could open a local branch.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Jos
Date: 25 Apr 21 - 03:02 AM

And was the "Boston man" from Massachusetts? or from Lincolnshire?


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Mr Red
Date: 25 Apr 21 - 02:42 AM

er - I live near Cambridge. Cambridge, Gloucestershire (England).

Also on the river Cam.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Apr 21 - 08:34 PM

Attitude is everything. I heard as a true story that a Boston man was overheard asking for a train ticket in London: "I want a ticket for Cambridge - Cambridge, England!"


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: gillymor
Date: 24 Apr 21 - 02:24 PM

Washington Douglass would be great. My 2nd choice, Ovechkingrad.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Apr 21 - 12:46 PM

On the news yesterday I heard the discussion about the name - it is proposed in the legislation to be Washington Douglass (after Frederick).


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 21 - 12:21 PM

1 vote for Washington, minus the district and Columbia part...
I like Crazytown for recognizing the minority of representatives who immigrate to Crazytown to do their crazy things.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Apr 21 - 12:08 PM

It's not really confusing. Most people from other countries can cope with the fact that there is a city called Washington, and also a state with the same name.
Names will get duplicated (or more) over a period of time. We (in UK) can cope with several towns/cities called Newport even within the one country. (Newport Gwent, Newport Isle of Wight, Newport Pembrokeshire etc. )
What confuses us is to see in films where the scene of the action changes and the Eiffel Tower appears with a label "Paris, France", or Buckingham Palace with a label "London, England". Is it really necessary to give the country names? (yes, I know that there's a "Paris, Texas" but the change of scenery should make the disambiguation unnecessary).


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 21 - 10:11 AM

A name change will be needed for Washington District of Columbia.
Washington Douglas Commonwealth? Columbia? Chocolatetown?
Crazytown? Generica? America? (so nice they named it twice)


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 21 - 09:40 AM

Right now DC laws can be and was overturned by a Congressman from South Carolina. Thats not democracy.


PR would be like West Virginia but tropical.
If they renamed the island South Virginia they got a shot :^/


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: gillymor
Date: 24 Apr 21 - 09:06 AM

To deny D.C. residents all the same rights that other U.S. citizens enjoy on the basis of an antiquated notion formulated more than 220 years ago when the D.C. area was a swamp runs contrary to the democratic principles this country was established on. Those Founders got a lot of things right but they also gave us the 2nd amendment,though I imagine they assumed that we would have the will, the intelligence and the humanity to adjust laws to suit the times.
Dave Mattingly, former D.C. resident.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: mg
Date: 23 Apr 21 - 09:16 PM

you can't call it washington because there already is a washington. i think you would have to call it columbia. has a nice ring. or they could take washington and we could call ourselves columbia after the river. but can't have two washingtons, which we have and it confuses non usa people.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Apr 21 - 05:33 PM

MrRed, rat own!


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Apr 21 - 04:24 PM

They're far flung and un-represented. The things they are allowed to vote on are generally nothing to do with national politics, yet it is national politics that impact their well-being.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Apr 21 - 03:04 PM

".. aren't interested in being shoe-horned into Virginia or Maryland.

Some wouldn't care, some would. As I've said elsewhere, I personally would favor either making the District just the Capitol Hill area and making the rest Maryland, OR expanding DC to the original rectangle that included Northern VA.

Thing is, there will be vehement opposition to all of the alternatives..."It all depends on whose ox is being gored."
I don't think much will actually happen.

I think I would support Puerto Rico being #51... all the other 'possessions' are too far-flung to include any of them fairly.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Apr 21 - 11:33 AM

There would still be several hundred acres of federal land for all of the governmental activity. The residents of D.C., however, deserve representation and aren't interested in being shoe-horned into Virginia or Maryland.

Yes, Puerto Rico should be a state. Talk about a poor stepchild. With statehood comes a great deal of debt and a need for reform, something PR is badly in need of.

There are other places, like Guam and American Samoa, where laws and rights need to be reviewed. The colonial aspect of holding territories in this day and age should be sorted out. The US and Philippines still have a complex relationship though the Philippines gained independence in 1946. It's the military bases that are a problem for them now.

I just looked up the US Territories, 16 distinct areas:

American Samoa.
Guam.
Northern Mariana Islands.
Puerto Rico.
United States Virgin Islands.
Minor Outlying Islands: Bajo Nuevo Bank. Baker Island. Howland Island. Jarvis Island. Johnston Atoll. Kingman Reef. Midway Islands. Navassa Island. Palmyra Atoll.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Apr 21 - 10:34 AM

Wasn't the District of Columbia created so no one state could be seen as superior, by association, as host?

Rather detracts from the concept of statehood for DC.

There are politicians who don't even recognise Guam as American. Mind you she is so off the wall it does beg questions about those that willingly vote for her.

On the size of the stars, why not according to population?
Or yet more contentiously, the number of college votes? Just saying...........

ducks and runs for cover, in the "relatively" safe UK (at the moment)


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Apr 21 - 09:44 AM

Most countries treat their capital cities the same way as other cities so far as representation is concerned. No-one would suggest that the inhabitants of London, Paris, Berlin or Rome would have their political representation curtailed.

It's pretty evident the block on statehood for Washington is based on that being seen by one party as disadvantageous - that is essentially corrupt.

It'd be easy enough to give special status to the actual government buildings.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: gillymor
Date: 23 Apr 21 - 09:25 AM

North or south of Constitution they can't vote in Congressional elections because they have no representation in that body, other than a non-voting delegate, they only receive it's dictates. Pretty shabby treatment for tax-paying U.S. citizens.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Apr 21 - 09:00 AM

Ueah, Puerto Rico should be a state first. If they want to be.

DC should declare those living North of Constitution to be Maryland voters, and south, Virginia.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Jos
Date: 23 Apr 21 - 07:10 AM

To Donuel and robomatic
A spiral of stars wouldn't look as if they were going down the drain if they were all the same size – and why ever wouldn't they be the same size?
They are all the same size on the current flag.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Apr 21 - 06:01 AM

Right now 50 stars is rows of 6 5 6 5 6 5 6 5 6 so make the center stripe 7.
My thought (even before seeing the Wiki version) was 51 = 17*3
Three rows of 17, or 17 rows of 3 doesn't seem balanced.
17= 8+9 so,
3 rows of 8 and 3 of 9 (alternating) results in a flag with a similar balance/look to the existing. People will hardly notice the difference. Unlike the WWII flag with 6*8 in neat rows and columns.

Next may come 52 states (cards in a pack) = 4*13. Same basis, 8 rows of 6 & 7 alternating. Or 7 rows (4 with 7, 3 with 8 alternating)


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Apr 21 - 04:04 AM

There is already a 51st State


Samuel L Jackson and Robert Carlisle can't be wrong :-D


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Apr 21 - 03:14 AM

There are those that can't count past 13 anyways. Y'all.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Apr 21 - 11:05 PM

Right now 50 stars is rows of 6 5 6 5 6 5 6 5 6 so make the center stripe 7.

But I am against statehood. Conflict of interest - it is the capital OF the states, so it can't be A state.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: keberoxu
Date: 22 Apr 21 - 11:00 PM

'becoming a stare'


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Apr 21 - 09:02 PM

The block on Washington becoming a stare is just another reason you need to get rid of the filibuster, which is unique to the US. That could be done tomorrow, if all the Democratic Senators agreed.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Apr 21 - 05:15 PM

Jos not only that. if the stars weren't all the same size different states would argue that they owned the bigger stars. Texas would insist they're the biggest in spite of 'laska being a State since '59.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Apr 21 - 04:22 PM

It would look like stars going down the drain/


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Jos
Date: 22 Apr 21 - 03:07 PM

If they went for circles, then how about a spiral? Stars could be added indefinitely.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Apr 21 - 02:55 PM

I was talking about this just a couple of days ago while dog walking. I thought 3 interlaced circles of 17 stars would do it. I didn't know Wikipedia had already figured it out.

figured already how to do it.
figured how already it could be done.
had figured it out already (apologies to the irritating grammar thread).

I was so afraid we'd have to conquer another part of Mexico to make it an even number.


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Apr 21 - 02:40 PM

Wikipedia is your friend. Here is its page on the 51st state, with the flag design. Looks good to me. I think there are already official designs for 51, 52, and 53 stars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/51st_state


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Subject: RE: BS: time to change US flag
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Apr 21 - 12:21 PM

Flag designs are already done. I saw a pic of one that looked quite reasonable. I'll see if I can find it........... not that getting a 51st state is likely soon.

DC is way majority Democrat and no way Republicans will allow that.


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