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Obit: Duke of Edinburgh RIP (1921-2021)

Bonzo3legs 09 Apr 21 - 07:24 AM
Steve Shaw 09 Apr 21 - 08:25 AM
Jos 09 Apr 21 - 08:29 AM
Jack Campin 09 Apr 21 - 08:45 AM
Steve Shaw 09 Apr 21 - 08:57 AM
Raggytash 09 Apr 21 - 09:36 AM
SPB-Cooperator 09 Apr 21 - 09:36 AM
Jack Campin 09 Apr 21 - 09:52 AM
saulgoldie 09 Apr 21 - 10:33 AM
Stilly River Sage 09 Apr 21 - 10:50 AM
Dave the Gnome 09 Apr 21 - 10:55 AM
Jos 09 Apr 21 - 11:26 AM
Dave the Gnome 09 Apr 21 - 11:55 AM
Bonzo3legs 09 Apr 21 - 12:19 PM
keberoxu 09 Apr 21 - 12:29 PM
robomatic 09 Apr 21 - 12:43 PM
robomatic 09 Apr 21 - 12:51 PM
Raggytash 09 Apr 21 - 12:55 PM
Dave the Gnome 09 Apr 21 - 12:59 PM
robomatic 09 Apr 21 - 01:16 PM
Jos 09 Apr 21 - 01:28 PM
robomatic 09 Apr 21 - 01:48 PM
GUEST,Observer 09 Apr 21 - 02:27 PM
JHW 09 Apr 21 - 02:32 PM
punkfolkrocker 09 Apr 21 - 03:50 PM
Mrrzy 09 Apr 21 - 03:56 PM
Mrrzy 09 Apr 21 - 03:58 PM
Donuel 09 Apr 21 - 04:00 PM
Steve Gardham 09 Apr 21 - 04:08 PM
Steve Gardham 09 Apr 21 - 04:09 PM
robomatic 09 Apr 21 - 05:37 PM
Stilly River Sage 09 Apr 21 - 05:55 PM
Joe Offer 09 Apr 21 - 06:49 PM
Helen 09 Apr 21 - 07:33 PM
keberoxu 09 Apr 21 - 08:18 PM
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punkfolkrocker 09 Apr 21 - 08:37 PM
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Malcolm Storey 09 Apr 21 - 08:53 PM
Helen 09 Apr 21 - 08:57 PM
Steve Shaw 09 Apr 21 - 09:00 PM
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Stilly River Sage 09 Apr 21 - 09:15 PM
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Subject: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 07:24 AM

A statement from Buckingham Palace said: "It is with deep sorrow that Her Majesty The Queen has announced the death of her beloved husband, His Royal Highness The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh.

"His Royal Highness passed away peacefully this morning at Windsor Castle."

The Duke was married to Queen Elizabeth II for more than 70 years and became the longest-serving consort in British history.

Very sad.

We send our condolences to Her Majesty The Queen, like I know you are all going to.


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Subject: RE: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 08:25 AM

He had a good innings, and now we're going to get a good innings of Nicholas Witchell this weekend...


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Subject: RE: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: Jos
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 08:29 AM

A pity he didn't make it to his 100th.


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Subject: RE: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 08:45 AM

Ghost Tigers in the Sky

The whole biosphere will be partying tonight.


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Subject: RE: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 08:57 AM

I understand that 50,000,000 grouse (grice if you're a royal) have been arrested for lack of social distancing at a celebratory rave on the Balmoral estate an hour ago...


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Subject: RE: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 09:36 AM

I wonder how many people will be allowed to attend hid funeral?


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Subject: RE: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 09:36 AM

I offer my condolences to his loved ones for their loss but I don't owe any more grief than I would for anyone else who has suffered the same loss of a friend or member of their family beyond those I am already close(r) to.


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Subject: RE: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 09:52 AM

News has already got to Tanna. Or at least to whoever updates their Wikipedia pages. Changed to the past tense seven minutes ago.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip_Movement

I wonder who gets that job now?


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Subject: RE: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: saulgoldie
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 10:33 AM

I've been called a sourpuss for suggesting that there are thousands of other people who also died who deserve our recognition at least as much as the Prince. He gets the recognition because of an accident of birth. Others deserve it because of what they have done to make the world a better place. Teachers, farmers, nurses, and so on.

Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 10:50 AM

Here is the New York Times obituary


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Subject: RE: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 10:55 AM

I would not wish ill on anyone and I would happily send my condolonces to those who loved him if I knew any of them well enough.

However, I did not know him, he made no difference to my life or my family at all and, as has been pointed out, this is only considered newsworthy because of an accident of birth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: Jos
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 11:26 AM

An accident of birth? He wasn't born Duke of Edinburgh and he wasn't born Prince Philip, and he wasn't born married to the queen.
An accident of his wife's birth, maybe - or good luck in that Elizabeth (accidentally?) fell in love with him, which was probably not because he was a distant cousin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 11:55 AM

he wasn't born Prince Philip

Yes he was. He was born Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark. He was born Royal. This placed in him in the position to marry the future queen of England. Even if he had not married Lizzie he would still have been Royal.

Do you think his death would have hit the news if he was born Philip Prince of Greek Street, Salford?


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Subject: RE: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 12:19 PM

The Duke of Edinburgh served our country for 78 years, including 13 in the Royal Navy & then 65 as Britain's longest serving consort. A man deserving of our respect.


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Subject: RE: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: keberoxu
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 12:29 PM

Ah, the grouse.
Remember when Her Majesty went hunting and
a grouse plummeted to earth and struck her very person?
I recall the press:

"the kamikaze grouse!"


Can anyone guess who the GUEST non-member is
who has made two attempts at above-the-line threads
because he can't contribute to a thread BELOW the line
on this subject?


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Subject: Obit: Prince Philip Duke Edinburgh (1921-2021)
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 12:43 PM

I've been listening ot the BBC elaboraing on his life in great detail. And the New York Times
has come through with an explanation for Americans.

"If you want to understand a man, start by thinking about him in the year in which he turned 21"


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Subject: RE: Obit: Prince Philip Duke Edinburgh (1921-2021)
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 12:51 PM

The gentleman lived long and well, in the glare of the public eye. He served his country and participated in so many events of note that demanded intelligence and courage; as well as countless ceremonies and attendances that must have required even more personal power to look awake and interested. That adds up to hero in my book. May his loved ones find comfort. God save England!


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Subject: RE: Obit: Prince Philip Duke Edinburgh (1921-2021)
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 12:55 PM

Strange phrase "God save England", given that he was the Duke of Edinburgh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 12:59 PM

Condolonces are for the living, Dick, not the deceased.


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Subject: RE: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 01:16 PM

I started one of the above the line threads because someone had started one with a vile and libelous title and I didn't see any other thread either above or below the line that had "Prince Philip" or "OBIT" in the title.

I hope that some sentient mod will aggregate the threads with the name Philip in the title and correct the typo in my OP.


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Subject: RE: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: Jos
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 01:28 PM

My apologies, Dave the Gnome is right. He was born Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark. But we wouldn't have had this total obliteration of any other news coverage or normal programmes if he hadn't married Princess Elizabeth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 01:48 PM

Kurt Hahn, the Man Who taught Philip to think


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Subject: RE: Obit: Prince Philip Duke Edinburgh (1921-2021)
From: GUEST,Observer
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 02:27 PM

The World Wildlife Fund and World Wildlife Foundation would not have existed, or have been so successful without him.

He was Patron or associated in some significant way in over 780 Charities.

The Duke of Edinburgh's Award Scheme was his idea and it has benefited millions of youngsters [Some 7 million+] not only in the UK but across the world.

Just read the following statistic regarding the Duke of Edinburgh. During the course of his life between 1952 and 2017 [65 years] he carried out 22,219 SOLO engagements - I make that one every day of the year continuously for 61 years, and those were solo engagements they did not include the many thousands carried out when he accompanied the Queen. Loads commenting negatively about the man here would not be capable of walking 100 yards in his shoes, let alone a mile.

Only met him the once - I'll never forget it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: JHW
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 02:32 PM

Todays obit programmes (in place of everything else) state he was ahead of many in condemning man made climate change etc. If I'd tried to push that in 1981 no-one would have noticed. Can't blame him for trying to be useful with his status. I didn't know he'd been top of WWF. They send me emails and I thought there might be one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 03:50 PM

Any chance of the BBC refunding us for every day they cancel scheduled programming,
on every single channel the corporation operates...???

The only Prince Philip free zone I found on TV today was the Russian news channel.
Even Aljazeera News was festooned with fawning royal coverage.

Though the wife says the Russians relented and ran a short report while I was upstairs on the toilet...

So have the bookies made or lost more money on Phillip not reaching 100...???


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Subject: RE: Obit: Prince Philip Duke Edinburgh (1921-2021)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 03:56 PM

I admired the man. Condolences to Her Majesty and all the family.


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Subject: RE: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 03:58 PM

Let's consolidate these threads...


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Subject: RE: BS: Duke of Edinburgh RIP
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 04:00 PM

My sympathy goes out to the Queen who has lost her main squeeze.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Prince Philip Duke Edinburgh (1921-2021)
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 04:08 PM

Never met him but he once steered the same tug I steered on many an occasion, oh, and his missus once bought me a pint:)


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Subject: RE: Obit: Prince Philip Duke Edinburgh (1921-2021)
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 04:09 PM

Thanks, Joe!


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Subject: RE: Obit: Duke of Edinburgh RIP (1921-2021)
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 05:37 PM

Thanks to the mod on the thread amalgamation/cleanup.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Duke of Edinburgh RIP (1921-2021)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 05:55 PM

Another post was just removed. You may not like the royal dealings with colonial populations but you don't need to use the racist terms to make your point.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Duke of Edinburgh RIP (1921-2021)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 06:49 PM

As soon as I saw the report of Philip's death, I knew certain facets of our community would go bonkers. Our obituary threads always start out in the music section, and then the moderators move the non-music obituaries to the "BS" section when it's appropriate. I realize that there will be a number of negative comments about him, but I hope they won't smother the opportunity to discuss him intelligently.

I'm one of those people who tends to think that nobody can be all bad, which makes me anathema on the Internet to start off with. But hear me out. It seems to me that the Royal Family has been largely irrelevant to UK government since World War II. Can anybody tell me anything the Royal Family has done since then, that has had any effect whatsoever on the politics of the UK? But hey, they remain great tourist attractions. They cost a lot of money and live an extravagant lifestyle, but where would Great Britain be without all that royal stuff? I'm rather cynical about royalty compared to many Americans, But even I thought it was cool when I went to the Highland Games at Braemar and saw Philip and Elizabeth and Charles and what's-her-name. Heck, besides seeing the back of the head of Rosalie Carter (wife of Jimmy), they're the only famous people I have ever seen in my life without having to pay for concert tickets.

So, I don't care a whit for the Royal Family, but they're a nice tourist attraction and they give the tabloids a lot to talk about. That sells tabloid newspapers and stimulates the economy, so why not? It's also good for fanzines here in the US, so all the better.

So, Prince Philip was a person who was born, lived, and died. He did some good stuff, and some not-so-good stuff. But he seemed like a real person, not larger-than-life like many of the Royals. He certainly wasn't infallible, and made no effort to pretend to infallibility. So, maybe that's a good thing. He was the most Ordinary of Royal Persons. That seems to be a very good thing.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Obit: Duke of Edinburgh RIP (1921-2021)
From: Helen
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 07:33 PM

No, Maggie is deleting posts because of unacceptable behaviour like inappropriate language and racist language.

Build a bridge and get over it. That's what moderators do, although I expect that most of the moderators here can think of better things to do than keeping some folks in line who should know how to behave in civilised society.

Looking at the bigger picture, I can see a whole lot more politicians and people in power who have had a worse effect on the world than Prince Philip. I can also see that he achieved a lot of good in the world, despite his gaffs now and then.

May he rest in peace after a long life.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Duke of Edinburgh RIP (1921-2021)
From: keberoxu
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 08:18 PM

... enough with the "gal" already ...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Duke of Edinburgh RIP (1921-2021)
From: keberoxu
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 08:20 PM

Oh, and I haven't been watching The Crown, so
it was all new and unexpected to me, looking up
a precis of the life story of Princess Alice,
the mother of Prince Philip --
and if ever a life were a tragic one.
Good heavens, the stuff of grand opera.
To say nothing of Elisabeth the Russian Orthodox martyr,
a blood relative of theirs ...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Duke of Edinburgh RIP (1921-2021)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 08:37 PM

Family circumstances have kept me away from mudcat for most of the last 2 months.
But buggered if I was going to miss
dropping in here
after today's news headline...

Though, just my luck, it seems I've missed too many
of the best deleted comments and insults..

I'll have to guess how predictably amusing they were..

(Pfr, royal correspondent for Scrumpyshire).


Psst.. anyone want to buy some collectible royalty tat mugs, plates, books, and VHS tapes..
Also bags of newspaper and magazine clippings available for a knockdown all-in price...???

If only I hadn't just unintentionally used a bag of my inherited 1990s royal front page headlines newspapers
to mop up the bathroom floor,
after the toilet had overflowed with a deluging tsunami of brown floaters water..

My heartfelt apologies Princess Di fans...

But at least British royalty were put to some good practical use for a change


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Subject: RE: Obit: Duke of Edinburgh RIP (1921-2021)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 08:49 PM

I (and most moderators) usually delete all of the posts that discuss moderators and moderation. We have a lot of trouble with the UK threads, especially on topics like royalty. And posts that challenge "I dare you not to delete this" are usually the first to go. So I've deleted several posts that had content but also discussion of moderation.

In the music posts there are a lot of occasions when the actual words are very racist, sexist, or hurtful, but are necessary for context and examination of the topics. We aren't particularly prudish here at Mudcat, a lot of stuff flows onto these pages that is rude but left alone. But when these UK threads get going and people come in to characterize the recently departed with the most scathing, nasty, irreverent, or distasteful terms, just because they can, then you're crossing a line that is unacceptable. If you want to talk like that on Facebook or Twitter, see what happens. Facebook jail, or Twitter shutdown; people unfriend you, stalk you, or start fighting. Mudcat is very generous with what is allowed, but in an obituary thread this kind of shit just doesn't fly. Go talk about it somewhere else if you want to be that nasty.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Duke of Edinburgh RIP (1921-2021)
From: Malcolm Storey
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 08:53 PM

Well = what a to do!

This debate (row) has cheered me up no end.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Duke of Edinburgh RIP (1921-2021)
From: Helen
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 08:57 PM

Hey keberoxu, I took the "gal" as a compliment because the word "gal" in Aussie slang is short for galvanised steel:

"Galvanised steel is steel hot-dipped in a zinc coating solution. This coat provides additional protection against corrosion and surface scratches. This type of steel is used in harsh conditions, including marine applications and construction environments where temperatures can reach up to 200 degrees celsius."

I'm one tough lady, hey??!! LOL


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Subject: RE: Obit: Duke of Edinburgh RIP (1921-2021)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 09:00 PM

Nobody's being nasty. You don't get it because you're a yank (remember when you told me that about my Trump posts, Maggie?). You are severely out of order here. Just for once. And, generally, as you know, I support you. Just consider that you are not always right just because someone made you a mod. Sorry to be so short, but you really are out of order...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Duke of Edinburgh RIP (1921-2021)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 09:13 PM

And I await the reply to my request for chapter and verse from Helen about the claim of " unacceptable blah blah..". I note that my polite request has been deleted, but that her post with accusations has been left standing. Maggie, you are severely out of order here, and appear to be showing sexist bias. Please clear this up. This is not the first time I've suspected this, and I'm not inclined to let it stand, frankly. Over to you.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Duke of Edinburgh RIP (1921-2021)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 09:15 PM

We're not going to agree to disagree on this, Steve. The content you and a few others posted was downright nasty. This is a US web site, and you're posting these remarks on that site. Tu quoque - Trump isn't the issue here. Your language regarding this man's history is the issue and I'm not out of order. You are. So be prepared to have most posts deleted if you continue to discuss moderation in this thread, or if anyone posts more really objectionable remarks. And a head's up - someone starting a "sins of Prince Philip" thread is liable to see that one run really short, or invisible, also.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Duke of Edinburgh RIP (1921-2021)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 09:18 PM

As of today the UK rightwing papers will be ruthlessly lining all dissenters up against the wall..

I'm keen to see which of our public figures will be brave or reckless enough to dis Phil in print or social media...???

The next few days should be very entertaining for us royal watcher watchers...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Duke of Edinburgh RIP (1921-2021)
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 09:23 PM

I've been listening to the BBC radio and am watching BBC television going in depth into the life of Prince Philip. They may be pulling back on some things, but they are not pulling back on various gaffes of the man.

I appreciate several things here:

The mods being up front with their personal prejudices and problems in doing their jobs here.

At this point I'm appreciating the man that Prince Philip was. He seems to have been 'honestly' outspoken in that whether or not one liked what he said, one could generally believe it. He was definitely in harm's way in World War 2. He was in the Royal Navy and participated in the Battle of Cape Matapan and was mentioned in dispatches. He lived a very long time after that and I'm sure he did many things out of a sense of duty, or as one might prosaically say, doing his job.

He satisfies the definition of 'hero' and more importantly, a man, or as one would say in my family, a mensch.

I find it absolutely fascinating that our UK members have widely disparate views and are unafraid to express them. The UK is imperfect and flagrant and utterly human. We see hundreds of years of people 'not getting on very well together' yet carrying on.


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Subject: BS: Story about Prince Philip
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 10 Apr 21 - 02:15 AM

A story about Prince Philip, who died today at 99. The weekend of the Kennedy assassination, he flew to Washington for the funeral. At the White House on Sunday, Nov. 24, 1963, Jacqueline Kennedy was looking for John Jr. and opened the door to his playroom. There she found the Prince sprawled on the floor, playing and laughing with the murdered president's son. Days from his 3d birthday, John had said earlier that he "didn't have anybody to play with" (also: "where's Daddy?") and her Majesty's husband decided that he would entertain the boy. RIP


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Subject: RE: BS: Story about Prince Philip
From: Charmion
Date: 10 Apr 21 - 08:57 AM

“... the Duke came past — and he winked at her.”

Prince Philip was good at stuff like that.

In 1976, when he escorted the Queen to Canada for the Montreal Olympics, they stopped first at Halifax, where I was then serving at the fleet hospital. Like every other unit of the Canadian Forces Medical Service, Stadacona Hospital was stripped down to a skeleton crew to staff the Olympic Band-Aid Team, and I found myself on a relentless cycle of night shifts, for which I required a constant supply of reading material.

So I came out of the Halifax Public Library with a fresh load to find Spring Garden Road barricaded and a flag-waving throng on the sidewalk. Not clued in, I approached the cop holding down the intersection of Brunswick Street. Just as I reached him, he snapped to attention and saluted, so I dropped my bag of books and did the same. The royal motorcade was half a block away.

We were a conspicuous pair, that cop and I. He wore the traditional dress uniform of Canadian police, which looks like the “patrol blues” of the pre-war Militia. I wore white hospital workdress, with a double row of brass buttons on the bodice, and a green CF felt hat.

When the Queen’s car reached us, the Duke stuck his head out the window and frankly stared. Then he returned the salute. As the car passed, the salute turned into a “thumbs-up” wave.


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