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Subject: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: leeneia
Date: 07 Apr 21 - 03:21 PM

I have a recipe for cracked-wheat bread in the bread machine, and I'd like to add oatmeal to it. Cracked-wheat bread is the only bread with real fiber (not soft fiber), and oatmeal is said to reduce cholesterol.

I can't find a good recipe online. I did find one, but it was awful. I asked Quaker Oats Customer Service, but they didn't have a recipe.

Do any experienced bread makers know if I can just add oatmeal to a recipe, or do I have to change other ingredients?


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: JHW
Date: 07 Apr 21 - 03:42 PM

Sorry I don't have an answer but thanks for the idea. I took back my new bread m/c several houses ago as it 'boiled' over. I have a massive slab of yeast and several flours awaiting another try. Last go I used a beer starter (recipe). Didn't rise but the solid bread tasted alright. Have just munched oatcakes and cheese, supper routine, have enjoyed commercial oat bread so will give it a go next time.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Helen
Date: 07 Apr 21 - 03:54 PM

Hi leeneia,

We have a bread machine and I have added oatmeal to some of the loaves. It worked well and tasted good. I just added maybe half a cup to the mix. I didn't adjust the amount of flour, but I used one of the wholegrain recipes in the book which came with the machine, and used the wholegrain bread setting.

I'll dig the recipe book out and give you some more specifics.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Helen
Date: 07 Apr 21 - 03:55 PM

I forgot to say that I used rolled oats not quick or instant oats.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Monique
Date: 07 Apr 21 - 04:10 PM

Leeneia, I found some in French 1, 2, 3. There are more but without bread machine. I haven't tried any as my organic shop sells a wonderful wholegrain bread. The last bread I made was with grated carrots and fenel seeds.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Jos
Date: 07 Apr 21 - 04:25 PM

"rolled oats not quick or instant oats"

I've never tried making oat bread. I'd rather have porridge, and wheat bread or toast.
For porridge, I've always regarded rolled oats as being "quick oats", unlike something like pin-head oats, which need either soaking or, even better, long slow cooking.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Helen
Date: 07 Apr 21 - 04:41 PM

Jos, here in Australia, rolled oats are whole oats rolled flat and they need slow cooking, but quick or instant oats are finely milled - I think - and don't need slow cooking.

When I was working I used to put rolled oats and a couple of other things e.g. chia seeds and psyllium, with dried fruits and a bit of milk in a cup sized container, add some boiling water and then half an hour later when I arrived at work I just topped it up with more boiling water and I had my porridge ready to eat. The oats had become porridge in the half hour. Easy!

I've tried adding psyllium to pancakes but it goes gluggy - not appetising - but I have also whizzed oats in a blender to make an oat flour and added about a cup of that to pancakes with ordinary flour and it worked well.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Helen
Date: 07 Apr 21 - 05:06 PM

There are two recipes in the book for our 20 year old Breville bread machine which include oats:

Honey oats and barley bread, or sunflower and oatmeal bread.

The ingredients for the first recipe for a 1 kg (2 lb) loaf are:

Honey oats and barley bread

Water 355ml, oil 2 tablespoons, salt 2 teaspoons, honey 2 tablespoons, bread flour 2 .5 cups, wholemeal plain flour 1.5 cups, milk powder 2 tablespoons, bread improver 1 teaspoon, gluten flour 2 tablespoons, rolled oats 2 tablespoons, oat bran 1.5 tablespoons, barley bran 1.5 tablespoons, yeast 1.5 teaspoons.

Sunflower and oatmeal bread

Water 355ml, oil 2 tablespoons, salt 2 teaspoons, sugar 2 teaspoons, honey 2 tablespoons, bread flour 2 .5 cups, wholemeal plain flour 1.5 cups, milk powder 2 tablespoons, bread improver 1 teaspoon, gluten flour 2 tablespoons, oatmeal 1/2 cup, cracked sunflower seeds 1/3 cup, yeast 1.5 teaspoons.

I just found this page which defines the different forms of oats: Ode to Oatmeal : Your Guide to the Beloved Breakfast Staple

It looks like the oatmeal referred to in the second recipe is ground oats to make a coarse flour, which I'd do in a blender or food processor or coffee grinder.

I don't follow the recipes exactly so I've never added gluten flour, but maybe that's a trick for making bread which includes plain wholewheat flour and other added fibre foods. I don't know. The gluten flour is not mentioned in the other recipes in the book which just used bread flour.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 07 Apr 21 - 06:00 PM

The book for our Panasonic bread maker has an oat and bran loaf recipe. The ingredients are:

Strong White Flour 400g
Sugar 1½ tsp
Oil 2 tbsp
Salt 1¼ tsp
Bran 50g
Porridge oats 50g
Water 350ml
Yeast 1 tsp

Using the measuring spoon that comes with the machine, 1tsp = 5ml, 1tbsp = 15ml


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Jack Campin
Date: 07 Apr 21 - 07:38 PM

Recipe? You just add more oatmeal each time you make it until it starts to fail in aome way, then backtrack a bit.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: keberoxu
Date: 07 Apr 21 - 08:10 PM

Jack, you sound like the homemaker who retorted,
"Recipes are for cowards."


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: JHW
Date: 08 Apr 21 - 05:37 AM

Recipes are for those who have the ingredients - ie only the writer


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Apr 21 - 06:09 AM

Nowt to do with bread making but...

No need for fine milled oats for anything. Any porridge oats can be cooked in 3 minutes in the microwave or 5 minutas in a pan. I use the former to save washing up. No need to cook at all really. Roman soldiers used to munch on a handful of dry oats for extra energy while marching. If you don't fancy that, just soak them overnight.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 08 Apr 21 - 06:49 AM

There is no need for sugar in bread recipes.


Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: leeneia
Date: 08 Apr 21 - 11:39 AM

Thanks for the recipes and insights, everybody. I've found a site which says that 1.5 cups oats, pulverized in the blender, equals 1 cup bread flour, so I believe I'll use my old recipe and have 1 cup bread flour, 1.5 cups "blended" oats, and one cup whole wheat flour.

I decided to check Dave's statement that there is no need for sugar in bread recipes, and I read the following:

https://www.kingarthurbaking.com/blog/2017/05/16/reduce-sugar-in-yeast-bread

This seems to be an intelligent article written by someone who actually bakes and understands science, so I believe I will try reducing the sugar in my cracked-wheat bread. It has always been a little too moist.
=============
Elsewhere, I found a different recipe with "no added sugar" which substituted skim milk for water. There's sugar in milk. And more than one person commented that they tried the recipe and would not be making it again.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 02:29 AM

I bake plain white bead, sourdough, wholemeal, granary and rye, I do not use sugar in any of them, you don't need it.

It is included in some recipes but it's simply to make the yeast work faster, you don't need it.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Jos
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 03:09 AM

I do use sugar in bread - 1 teaspoon for a large loaf. That's not a lot and it doesn't make the bread taste sweet, but I use it to 'wake the yeast up' in the liquid before adding it to the flour (just like my grandmother did in the days before dried, never mind 'instant' yeast).
I have never used a bread-making machine.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 04:20 AM

Some instructions for bread makers suggest altering the sugar and salt levels to get a loaf to rise as required. In the troubleshooting for our Panasonic one under "My bread doesn't rise/The top of my bread is uneven", one suggestion it gives "You have used too much salt or not enough sugar".


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Nick
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 04:28 AM

We used to have a bread making book that I bought my wife in about 1980. It fell to bits and I can't remember its name. We have baked bread ever since and it set my mother off making her own bread for most of her life from the 70's onwards as I bought it for her too

The thing I remember outside of normal bread was that we made a sunflower seed loaf and an oatmeal loaf. The oatmeal loaf was "oaty" and made great toast.

I tried the following yesterday and made a single oat loaf (I used rolled oats rather than oatmeal) and it is not bad but lacks a real oat punch but was pleasant.

1 sachet yeast
1 cup white flour
1 cup wholewheat flour
1 cup rolled oats (used a few more for the actual making than the recipe)
1 1/4 cups warm water
1 tablespoon honey
1 1/2 teaspoons salt

Mix it up and knead. Leave to rise. Cook at 350F for 35-40 mins

Nice with cheese yesterday and made nice toast this morning


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Mr Red
Date: 10 Apr 21 - 01:06 PM

There's sugar in milk. - that would be lactose? "A" sugar, but not sucrose. Surely commercial yeast sold for breadmaking would be bred (pun intended) to work best with sucrose.

I soak my porridge oats in hot water in the dish and leave overnight. Microwave 1:40 mins in the morning.

And North Staffordshre Oatcakes** & cheese (& bacon) are nectar of the gods. For those thinking small hard tack biscuits - think again. Savoury pancakes are nearer physically, if not culinarily. And yeast is used to prove the mix, and salt to disprove it.

**Other counties like South Yorks, Derbys, and parts of Liecs might argue ownership, but I am a Staffordshireman so there!


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Helen
Date: 10 Apr 21 - 03:42 PM

Nick, what about sprinkling some oats over the top of the loaf to ramp up the oat punch?


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Nick
Date: 16 Apr 21 - 05:21 AM

Did that as well. I have a feeling that oatmeal may be oatier than rolled oats because it is finer. I could be wrong. We have tried again and it's ok and our memories may be mistaken


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Nick
Date: 16 Apr 21 - 05:22 AM

I think I have Scottish oatcakes as a baseline of 'oatiness' and the bread is still erring on the side of 'flouriness'


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Apr 21 - 06:03 AM

Leeneia,

I've been thinking about this. If you were to "blitz" in a food processor your rolled oats you could create a "flour"

Historically bread would be made from any grain available including some difficult to process such as oats and rye.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 21 - 06:21 AM

Like Jon I use a Panasonic bread machine. I've often heard some sniffiness from purist home bakers when I mention that, but call me a cop-out merchant and I'll call you an earth mother. ;-). In fact, bread machine bread is a pretty good compromise. It's much better than any standard shop bread (and you can go all organic if you like), it's much cheaper and it quite often beats that expensive, tough, dry, crusty, gum-ripping stuff that "artisanal" bakers can churn out. A very nice one that takes seconds to assemble is a "ciabatta-style" white loaf. It's a teaspoon of yeast, 500g strong white flour (preferably organic), a teaspoon of salt, a teaspoon of sugar and three tablespoons of extra virgin olive oil. In goes the yeast, mix up the dry stuff and tip it in, olive oil on top then 350ml cold water. Switch on, leave for a few hours and viola! Makes great butties and lovely toast, though, like real ciabatta, it can have authentic big holes in it...


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Apr 21 - 06:40 AM

I used the bread machine for making the dough, it saves all the effort of kneading the dough and eases the aches and pains of my rheumatism.

However, I do not like my bread with a big hole in the bottom where the paddle was located so I remove it from the machine, knock it back and either shape it by plaiting or similar or place into bread tins (Penny loaves are my favourite) and re-prove before baking.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Jos
Date: 16 Apr 21 - 07:09 AM

I can understand using a machine if you have rheumatism. But the kneading is almost the most enjoyable part of bread making - second only to eating it (or third, if you include smelling it).


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 21 - 10:50 AM

Out of interest I saw some 'fresh' yeast going cheap in Morrisons the other day (50p for 4 blocks) I put quotes around fresh coz they were at their use by date. I figured out that if we keep them in the fridge they should be good for abit longer yet :-) Anyhow, Mrs G has baked 2 loaves with them since and they were lovely. Fresh yeast does seem to make a difference.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 21 - 11:57 AM

Well I haven't got the knack, and I get flour everywhere. I was raised on Wonderloaf (don't knock it - made the best chip butties on earth) and Warburton's Toastie. We never had brown bread because my dad maintained that it was made only for people in prison to eat. That little paddle - you can minimise the issue by keeping it scrupulously clean. If the non-stick coating starts to peel off it, buy a new paddle. The buggers charged me £17.50 for one!


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: leeneia
Date: 16 Apr 21 - 12:18 PM

I use a bread machine too.

I found a website which said that 1.42 cups of oatmeal (pulverized) equals 1 cup of flour, so I tried it. It produced a loaf about 2.5 inches high in the middle and one inch at the ends. It's okay for toast, but just this one time.

My next step will be to take an oatmeal bread recipe and see if the cracked wheat will "float" in it, like raisins. I've found a site which tells when to check the dough for stickness vs dryness.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: leeneia
Date: 16 Apr 21 - 12:23 PM

Another way to make bread is by following Steve on YouTube. No proofing, no kneading. Here's an example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yePMpoyXwys

It's magic, and the loaves look so sincere.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Helen
Date: 16 Apr 21 - 01:34 PM

leeneia, did you take a photo of your oat bread?

Raggytash, my other solution to the holes in the bottom of the bread from the paddles is to wait until the last (short, sudden and furious) bit of kneading has finished and then take the dough out, remove the paddles and put the dough back in for the final rise and baking.

Hubby usually bakes the dough in the oven. He bought a terracotta bread pan with a lid. It looks a bit like a bread loaf sized Romertopf. That works well.

Scottish oatcakes. I'm going to give them a go, I think. I have only had the store-bought oat biscuits which are dry and crunchy. Note: in Australia "biscuits" are usually dry and crunchy, but I think in the USA "biscuits" are more like what we call scones here, which are a non-yeast based doughy, yummy treat.

On the other hand,
ANZAC biscuits are soft and gooey and rolled oats are a key ingredient. The gooeyness comes from golden syrup. We're a week away from ANZAC Day so maybe I should make some this week.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Jos
Date: 16 Apr 21 - 03:26 PM

You can freeze yeast, there are plenty of websites giving advice.

Here is an example.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Apr 21 - 03:55 AM

Mrs G used a classic Kenwood mixer with a dough book for mixing, then kneads and bakes manually. I do a lot of cooking but no baking for some reason. Must try it sometime.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 17 Apr 21 - 06:28 AM

On the paddles, we once a Russel Hobbs bread maker that had a terrible habit of embedding the paddle 1/2 way into the loaf.

I once made some focaccia bread using our Kenwood Prospero mixer and using (except I think I substituted a herb on top, ?fresh basil we had growing instead of the suggested sage?) a recipe that came with the machine. The bread was lovely and went very quickly but I didn't want to go through the twice waiting for the dough to prove and being around both times for the next step again.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Raggytash
Date: 17 Apr 21 - 06:51 AM

I make one bread Jon that proves 5 times, a total of 7 1/2 hours so the bread takes about 9 hours to make. It was very good though.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 17 Apr 21 - 07:04 AM

Blimey Raggy! I had no idea that processes like that existed.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Jos
Date: 17 Apr 21 - 09:25 AM

I usually only prove it three times - once when making the dough, then knock it back and let it rise again, then knock it back and form into loaves, which rise before going into the oven.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: leeneia
Date: 17 Apr 21 - 03:00 PM

Helen, no I didn't photograph the bread. I'm not much of a photographer any more. By the way, I have learned that bread which dives down to only one-inch at the ends is called "ski-slope bread."

My experiment with the oatmeal bread recipe was a success. I'll post it later. I've learned when to open up the machine and check the dough, and I discovered that it needed one more tablespoon of flour.

The bread is very nice. I wish it could have more than one-half cup of oatmeal, but apparently not.
================
Jos, I agree. I have been keeping my big yeast supply in the freezer for many months. For daily use, I fill up a glass jar from the grocery store and keep it in the fridge.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 21 - 03:08 PM

Adding oatmeal to bread..

..errrmmm.. porridge sandwiches...!!!???


.. actually, maybe not such a daft idea,
With savoury flavours added to the porridge...


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Helen
Date: 17 Apr 21 - 03:22 PM

leeneia, another healthy addition to bread is chia seeds. I sometimes add half a cup to the bread mix. Or LSA is good too, which is ground up linseed (i.e. flax seeds), sunflower seeds and almonds.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 18 Apr 21 - 02:42 PM

Not bread, but ----I love mealy tatties, a standard from my mother's childhood in the farming community.
My personal preference is with waxy potatoes - boil tatties in their (scrubbed) skins , drain off the water, dry the pot /potatoes a little over the heat then add a fairly large knob of butter.
Put lid on pot, shake hard for a few minutes till potatoes are covered in melted butter.
Add a good handful of oatmeal (pinhead> Not flakes!) then shake pot again till all the tatties are covered in oatmeal.
Serve - yum!


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