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Bulgarian Folkies NOT getting pandemic support

Jack Campin 19 Mar 21 - 08:41 AM
JHW 19 Mar 21 - 03:37 PM
Spearcarrier 19 Mar 21 - 03:41 PM
Jos 19 Mar 21 - 03:44 PM
Jack Campin 19 Mar 21 - 04:51 PM
Felipa 19 Mar 21 - 04:54 PM
Felipa 19 Mar 21 - 05:09 PM
Jack Campin 19 Mar 21 - 05:21 PM
Felipa 19 Mar 21 - 05:47 PM
WalkaboutsVerse 19 Mar 21 - 06:37 PM
GUEST,Felipa 19 Mar 21 - 06:58 PM
The Sandman 19 Mar 21 - 07:14 PM
Jack Campin 19 Mar 21 - 07:39 PM
The Sandman 20 Mar 21 - 02:40 AM
GUEST,RA 20 Mar 21 - 04:22 AM
Felipa 20 Mar 21 - 06:47 AM
Jack Campin 20 Mar 21 - 01:01 PM
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Subject: Folkies NOT getting pandemic support
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 08:41 AM

From the Bulgarian clarinetist Ivo Papasov. I guess the difference between Bulgaria and here is that we wouldn't even be surprised.

Musicians life has become very difficult in the last year. Friends of mine call me for help, and there was nothing I could do to help them. So recently I was very pleased to learn about the initiative of Ruth Koleva and others, to support musicians. It was time for someone to do something!

Today, however, my disappointment is very big. It turns out that the help is for rock, pop and jazz musicians. It is not a problem for me to apply for this help. An American critic said I was Jimi Hendrix on the clarinet. I've been to festivals, such as the Brooklyn Music Academy musical marathon, where only avant-garde musicians performed. I have created a style that was called Balkan jazz or folk jazz.... but is it appropriate for musicians to divide in style and discriminate against by the style in musical art they chose? Don't folk musicians deserve support? I would like to ask anyone who reads this to share and warn the ruling that this attitude is wrong and insulting.

People's musicians have given a lot to Bulgaria. Don't forget them!

This is a link to the https://programs.ncf.bg/web/files/sessions/152/terms_document/2021-uslovia-tvorcheski-stipendii.pdf


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Subject: RE: Folkies NOT getting pandemic support
From: JHW
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 03:37 PM

Folkies don't seem bothered. No Folk Clubs, maybe no pubs to hold them in.
No Festivals last year, some promising last year's line up for 2021.
I've got used to not going out at night, not singing, not playing the guitar and not drinking real ale.
Most other activities have been featured in the media. Orchestras, Theatres, Stadium concerts all struggling and hoping to reopen. Folkies not bothered. Guess they'll not go back. Just sit at home doing zoom.


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Subject: RE: Folkies NOT getting pandemic support
From: Spearcarrier
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 03:41 PM

Ugh I hope not. Some of the conventions people go to have went straight online. Everyone's amazed by it. I hate it.

Same goes for the filking circles. I'd sing a badly-done song in public once in a while. But with zoom it's creepy silent. I"m told "it's like deaf culture and you need to accept it!" until I explain I studied sign language in college, and that's not going to make me like it.

If I had a club I'd have a folk night, to be sure. Especially after hearing this.


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Subject: RE: Folkies NOT getting pandemic support
From: Jos
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 03:44 PM

Even if the singers and musicians can make do with zoom, it just doesn't work for dancers.


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Subject: RE: Folkies NOT getting pandemic support
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 04:51 PM

Ivo has professionals in mind. Nationally famous performers. Who depend on folk music for a living.


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Subject: RE: Folkies NOT getting pandemic support
From: Felipa
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 04:54 PM

I would have thought that folk musicians of the professional sort were quite important ambassadors for Bulgaria.

I was looking for something else (something similar) but came up with information about The National School of Folk Arts "Philip Kutev" in Kotel, Bulgaria; " the first school in Europe ... to teach traditional folklore music and vocal technique." (is that true? founded in 1967)
http://nufi-kotel.com/NUFI.html

and anyway, it can be hard to draw the line when classifying what genre someone plays ... there are lots of reasons that the discrimination described makes no sense.


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Subject: RE: Folkies NOT getting pandemic support
From: Felipa
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 05:09 PM

What I was looking for was Plovdiv. A group from that academy once came to play where I live in Northern Ireland.
https://www.studyinbulgaria.bg/academy-of-music-dance-and-fine-arts-plovdiv.html

https://www.studyinbulgaria.bg/why-bulgaria.html
"why Bulgaria? ... Bulgaria is unique ... Bulgarian folklore is unique"

"Irregular rhythms, enthralling music sounds, and gorgeous costumes. These are all characteristics of Bulgarian folk dances. When you are in Bulgaria, this spectacle of upbeat music and captivating dancing is a must-experience for everybody.

"Bulgarian folksongs are handed down orally from one generation to the next. The ensembles 'Cosmic Voices', 'The Mystery of Bulgarian Voices'* and the folklore ensemble 'Pirin' are internationally famous. Bulgaria is famous for its wonderful folk music that is so noteworthy that it was sent into space by NASA. Through the music, singing and dancing you will touch the unique Bulgarian folklore art.

"The earliest records featuring bagpipes – a few hundred years before they were known in Scotland – come from Eastern Europe. The kaba gaida, the Rhodope Mountains bagpipe, is one of the most distinctive symbols of the folklore music in Bulgaria. Spread in the small region of the Central Rhodope mountains, the home of Orpheus, its repertoire retains tunes and songs from the ancient times."

*I'm familiar with that choir, "Le Mystère des Voix Bulgares"

Trips to Bulgaria were important in the musical development of Andy Irvine and Bill Vanaver & Lydia Drabkin Vanaver (and undoubtedly of other English-speaking musicians besides the ones I know about).


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Subject: RE: Folkies NOT getting pandemic support
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 05:21 PM

I got Ivo's message via Kirill Belezhkov, who is based in Plovdiv and may be part of the groups Felipa knows about. He may also have enough of an international presence to have a safety net of some sort - he didn't say. But a lot of working musicians will be utterly stuck.


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Subject: RE: Folkies NOT getting pandemic support
From: Felipa
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 05:47 PM

just a name correction: "Livia Drapkin Vanaver"


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Subject: RE: Folkies NOT getting pandemic support
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 06:37 PM

In nations such as Malaysia and Australia, there has been some positive discrimination for indigenous people toward reconciliation; but in modern England, e.g., its in favour of immigrants and those who perform foreign culture - including American pop, rock and (c)rap. My poem on "Nationalism Without Conquest"


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Subject: RE: Bulgarian Folkies NOT getting pandemic support
From: GUEST,Felipa
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 06:58 PM

Walkabouts Verse - the news re discriminatory support was about Bulgarian musicians in Bulgaria, not in U.K.


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Subject: RE: Bulgarian Folkies NOT getting pandemic support
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 07:14 PM

The only support i have ever had , when i have been broke, has been from the public ,busking, the most honest form of performance. you are judged purely on how you perform on the day


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Subject: RE: Bulgarian Folkies NOT getting pandemic support
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 07:39 PM

Can somebody undo the mod's vandalism? My intention was to compare the Bulgarian situation with other places.

Bulgaria (like most nations in Eastern Europe) has a tradition of large folklore ensembles. These are more like symphony orchestras than someone busking with a guitar. And they seem to have been dumped, while jazz and pop ensembles olaying to similar crowds have retained financial support from the state.


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Subject: RE: Bulgarian Folkies NOT getting pandemic support
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Mar 21 - 02:40 AM

Jack i generally busk to a concertina, however i take your point about solo and ensemble performance.


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Subject: RE: Bulgarian Folkies NOT getting pandemic support
From: GUEST,RA
Date: 20 Mar 21 - 04:22 AM

How old or established is the Bulgarian tradition of large folk ensembles? I wondered whether it might have been basically created in the Soviet era. It certainly seems to have thrived then. Perhaps this lack of support for it now is essentially a renunciation of sorts. Dunno, just uninformed conjecture!


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Subject: RE: Bulgarian Folkies NOT getting pandemic support
From: Felipa
Date: 20 Mar 21 - 06:47 AM

I do suspect that the folk ensemble tradition was developed by the Soviets, and as Jack said, it is common to many Eastern European countries.. But the examples I gave of Kotel and Plovdiv and "Why study in Bulgaria" would indicate that the state has been proud of its (marketable)folk traditions up to now. The performance that I saw in Ireland of Plovdiv musicians on tour was not, however, a performance of a large ensemble. It was a small ensemble with individual performances as well to demonstrate the various instruments.


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Subject: RE: Bulgarian Folkies NOT getting pandemic support
From: Jack Campin
Date: 20 Mar 21 - 01:01 PM

I suspect the Soviets got the idea from Grimethorpe. British brass bands had been similar things for a century before they picked up on it. Pipe bands and flute bands were also precedents.


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