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Bonzo3legs 11 Feb 21 - 08:32 AM
Stilly River Sage 11 Feb 21 - 08:44 AM
punkfolkrocker 11 Feb 21 - 09:16 AM
Mo the caller 11 Feb 21 - 09:18 AM
Jos 11 Feb 21 - 09:30 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Feb 21 - 10:33 AM
Bonzo3legs 12 Feb 21 - 04:12 AM
Thompson 12 Feb 21 - 04:34 AM
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Subject: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Feb 21 - 08:32 AM

Gold medal PC drivel and nonsense!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Feb 21 - 08:44 AM

She/her/mother?

He/him/birthing parent?

I don't think J.K. Rowling is opposed to how people choose to conduct their lives, I think she's tired of all of the extra stuff that is added onto simple introductions. There's a lot to keep track of.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Feb 21 - 09:16 AM

I recently read an obit for a trans musician which was very confusing;
because the writer in a clumsy effort to conform to unforgiving trans new-speak
could not settle on either "she" or "they" - so randomly used both.

While in the same obit also writing "they" to refer to other folks in plural.

The end result was a near unreadable unnecessarily confused mess...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Mo the caller
Date: 11 Feb 21 - 09:18 AM

Sounds as if they are changing official documents to avoid making assumptions.
I suppose language between people who know each other will reflect personal preference - anything else is impolite. I hope that with people we don't know we are allowed to make mistakes, but people working in an official setting like a hospital need to be aware and quick to pick up preferences so good that policy makes this easier.

Language takes a while to catch up with social change. Wife / husband assumes a wedding partner doesn't. But some of us were brought up when marriage was the norm.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Jos
Date: 11 Feb 21 - 09:30 AM

The idea of "chestfeeding" makes me think of those tales of pelicans feeding their offspring on blood drawn from the mother's chest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Feb 21 - 10:33 AM

Bovine milk for cow's milk then? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Feb 21 - 04:12 AM

Of course Brighton is a hotbed of every wierdo imaginable, and nobody has the right to not be offended!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Thompson
Date: 12 Feb 21 - 04:34 AM

It's nearly always possible to recast a sentence to make a pronoun unnecessary.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 21 - 04:44 AM

Haven't been there for 35 years. Too much pebble and not enough sand as I recall. There was a damned fine chippy at the Seven Dials roundabout. Wonder if it's still there...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 21 - 04:47 AM

Ach, we're being informal. Getting Bonzo for his grammar is a bit like getting Al Capone for tax evasion!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Jos
Date: 12 Feb 21 - 06:37 AM

I think Thompson was referring to the Brighton Hospital's problem with avoiding the he/she/they-her/him/them dilemma.
Bonzo's grammar was perfect in expressing what he was saying.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Feb 21 - 09:41 AM

That's what I thought!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 21 - 10:04 AM

Ah, I think I got that wrong. I thought Thompson was referring to Bonzo's use of "nobody." Apologies,Thompson. :-(


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Feb 21 - 10:39 AM

"They" being used as a singular individual of undisclosed or transgender does probably distress the grammar checker in word processing programs as far as verbs agreeing with the pronoun. There is also the term "one" as in "when one hasn't made up their mind" it simply implies a person, and is a rather formal use, but it would work.

In a current world of "cancel culture" it seems impossible to have a conversation among those in the targeted gender of those who feel they were born in the wrong body. The result of a transformation is often a very formal look or an exaggerated look. How do the original occupants of that gender (Cis gender) feel about it? Well, that's wrong - because the pushback is immense from some parts of our societies. Violent, abusive, lacking understanding. But from those who don't care that individuals want to change genders but just wish the results weren't so flamboyant, or such a caricature of what it actually means to be a member of that group. Those people haven't been heard from (though they are relieved at not having to navigate those choppy waters).

I'm writing this with a mind to the trans friends who might read it, would they understand what I'm trying to say?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 21 - 10:54 AM

"They" as a singular pronoun has been in use for seven hundred years.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Jos
Date: 12 Feb 21 - 11:04 AM

If you use "when one hasn't made up their mind", it sounds as if "one" hasn't made up another person's mind for them.
Do you mean "when one hasn't made up one's mind"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Feb 21 - 11:25 AM

You illustrate the problem right there. Either is correct.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Feb 21 - 11:38 AM

The main problem is one of language.
Otherwise, I try not to mind other people's business, and prefer to just respect them as people. As beings.

People who DO butt into other people's lives and tell them how to conduct their lives are, at my most polite, busybodies.

I loved Harry Potter, but Rowling's anti-trans crusade has made me see her in a whole new light, and I don't like it.

If you care that much about other people's business, people you don't know and will never meet, there's something wrong with you.

And why isn't it simply "breast milk"? And before anyone objects to "breast", explain how men can have breast cancer. Or just fergetaboutit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Feb 21 - 12:12 PM

There is an over-vociferous minority of militant trans activists
who are basically just attention seeking fanatical hostile control freaks..

Who are a liability for positive trans community acceptance,
and coexistence with wider society;
playing right into the hands of anti-trans right wing groups and media..

Every progressive movement is lumbered with a publicity monopolising
unhinged lunatic fringe,
by which all other members are judged and tainted by association...


btw.. obviously 'imho'...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 21 - 12:26 PM

I agree with all that (though I've never dabbled in the dizzy literary heights of Harry Potter). I'd go further to say that I object to people who express these sentiments who then go on to say that we should "practise tolerance" or similar. To tolerate is uncomfortably close to "to put up with." Difference, diversity, variety, individuality, all attributes of humanity that we should want to celebrate, not tolerate. My old mum used to say that people with tattoos should be thrown in jail...

When it comes to "one" as a pronoun, it can seem a bit stiff and formal:

"One's dentist should tell one of the best way to use one's toothpaste with one's electric toothbrush."

Or:

"Your dentist should tell you of the best way to use your toothpaste with your electric toothbrush."

One sounds distinctly awkward and the other sounds a bit too direct (I've been accused of using "you" in that manner too personally when I hadn't I intended it, especially by Americans). The answer, as ever, is to rethink the sentence from scratch rather than hanging on for dear life to your beloved literary mini-creation...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 21 - 12:44 PM

You're not wrong, pfr, as long as right-minded people are just as vigilant in recognising that it is a "fringe..."

Sometimes it takes evolution of acceptance and attitude. I'll bare my soul here and openly admit that Peter Tatchell seemed a complete twat to me, harming the cause, when he first emerged. Took me a while to see that his was the way to get things done, and he seems like a very moderate sort of chap these days, relatively speaking, in spite of his mistakes and some actions that looked like stunts. Being quiet about injustices in the face of establishment opposition and hypocrisy was not, to him, an option. We have to be a bit careful to correctly distinguish the true lunatic fringe from brave, risk-taking pioneers of causes,and there can be overlaps...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Jos
Date: 12 Feb 21 - 01:00 PM

One (or you) wouldn't need to use "one" so many times in -
"One's dentist should tell one of the best way to use one's toothpaste with one's electric toothbrush."

A more sensible version could be:

"One's dentist should tell one of the best way to use toothpaste with an electric toothbrush."


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Feb 21 - 01:15 PM

I'm not ready to throw Rowlings under the bus. She gives a lot of thought to things she says and supports, and I agree with her - there is an insular form of social media communication these days that I think tends to convince many young people that the answer to their current discomfort is to jump on that bandwagon and choose to transition. This is, to a certain degree, a fad. Yes, it is. There will always be people who really do need to make a transition, but there are also a lot of people going through developmental growth stages who will likely change their minds later, given the opportunity.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/24/jk-rowling-controversy-transgender-harry-potter-author-statements-women/

This month the Telegraph published a pre-publication review of the latest detective novel by Rowling (writing as Robert Galbraith), “Troubled Blood,” that said the book’s moral seems to be “never trust a man in a dress.” Given that Rowling has suggested that some men may legally change their gender to prey on women, outrage followed.

Read “Troubled Blood,” however, and you’ll learn that a serial-killer character who wears women’s clothes to disarm his victims is neither transgender nor a cross-dresser. Mostly, he’s a red herring. (Rowling’s novel “The Silkworm” was also condemned as transphobic on the basis of a single scene, though its plot actually hinges on an act of vicious anti-trans bigotry by the villain.)

Why this impulse to mischaracterize? Anyone who wants to condemn Rowling as anti-transgender has plenty of material from her manifesto, in which she says the movement for trans equality is “offering cover to predators like few before it.”


https://www.glamour.com/story/a-complete-breakdown-of-the-jk-rowling-transgender-comments-controversy


That initial tweet garnered a lot of backlash, but Rowling did not relent and wrote about her views in more detail. “If sex isn’t real, there’s no same-sex attraction. If sex isn’t real, the lived reality of women globally is erased. I know and love trans people, but erasing the concept of sex removes the ability of many to meaningfully discuss their lives. It isn’t hate to speak the truth,” she tweeted. “The idea that women like me, who’ve been empathetic to trans people for decades, feeling kinship because they’re vulnerable in the same way as women—i.e., to male violence—‘hate’ trans people because they think sex is real and has lived consequences—is a nonsense.”

She continued, “I respect every trans person’s right to live any way that feels authentic and comfortable to them. I’d march with you if you were discriminated against on the basis of being trans. At the same time, my life has been shaped by being female. I do not believe it’s hateful to say so.”


From Rowling's statement essay:

I want to be very clear here: I know transition will be a solution for some gender dysphoric people, although I’m also aware through extensive research that studies have consistently shown that between 60-90% of gender dysphoric teens will grow out of their dysphoria. Again and again I’ve been told to ‘just meet some trans people.’ I have: in addition to a few younger people, who were all adorable, I happen to know a self-described transsexual woman who’s older than I am and wonderful. Although she’s open about her past as a gay man, I’ve always found it hard to think of her as anything other than a woman, and I believe (and certainly hope) she’s completely happy to have transitioned. Being older, though, she went through a long and rigorous process of evaluation, psychotherapy and staged transformation. The current explosion of trans activism is urging a removal of almost all the robust systems through which candidates for sex reassignment were once required to pass. A man who intends to have no surgery and take no hormones may now secure himself a Gender Recognition Certificate and be a woman in the sight of the law. Many people aren’t aware of this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 21 - 06:53 PM

The trouble with Rowling is that she feels rather entitled. Always suspect the celeb who sounds off about issues that are completely unrelated to the reason they're a celeb at all. As in her case. As with Charlieboy rattling on about homeopathy. As with Morrisey and his "meat is murder." Never sayin' they are wrong, never sayin' they shouldn't have a voice, etc. just sayin' that they (a) know no more than you and me, (b) they might be twats....


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Feb 21 - 11:17 PM

So what? She has opinions and explains herself and of course she should have a voice. The things you compare her opinion to are unrelated to the topic at hand.

A measured response with a detailed answer doesn't seem to interest many people and doesn't fit in a Twitter post. Too bad. She resists being cancelled. Good for her.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 01:39 AM

The most obnoxious trans militants are steadfastly alienating support from 'ordinary' society;
and also determined to make enemies of many sympathetic liberal progressives
who are genuinely wanting to be supportive...

Guess which kinds of trans activists are most likely to be show cased
and given enough rope on mainstream media...???

So far I've only seen one moderate trans spokesperson
who was given sufficient TV time
to express dismay at the intolerant 'anti-cis' antics
of the loudest loose cannon trans fanatics.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 05:49 AM

"So what? She has opinions and explains herself and of course she should have a voice."

And what did I just say in that post? So nothing. I am saying that non-expert celebs who sound off about things unrelated to the reason for their celebrity should perhaps be viewed through a lens of scepticism. That's all. Not exactly attacking her right to free speech, was I!

Exercising my right to free speech, with an audience of about six (in contrast with the large numbers who she is able to reach via her celebrity - as an author of children's books, lest we forget), my opinion of the piece from her that you quoted is that it carries more than a whiff of intolerance and patronising...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 07:00 AM

I would have thought trans people should be shown love .
I find it difficult to understand , but if i had a child that was trans i would hope that i would show them love and affection., the same as a non trans child.
what is the point of this thread other than to troll.
i never buy the daily mail it was a newspaper that supported fascism in the 1930s and seems to rely on sensational articles like this to sell its divisive muckraking shit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 08:20 AM

It's nothing more than bowing to extremists.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 09:17 AM

Their constant yelping about a free press means, with a few honorable exceptions, freedom to peddle scandal, crime, sex, sensationalism, hate, innuendo and the political and financial uses of propaganda. A newspaper is a business out to make money through advertising revenue. That is predicated on the circulation and you know what circulation depends on.
Raymond Chandler
Increasingly, the picture of our society as rendered in our media is illusionary and delusionary: disfigured, unreal, out of touch with reality, disconnected from the true context of our life. It is disfigured by celebrity, by celebrity worship, by gossip, by sensationalism, by denial of our societies
Carl Bernstein
Sensationalism seems to sell more than wonderful-positive news.
Michael Jackson


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 09:36 AM

I remember the Rowling tweet that necessitated the manifesto, but I can't find it now. It seemed to me that manifesto was meant to back-pedal a bit, because she got a huge backlash.

General observation, and it pretty much goes for any subject:
people read something, decide, without any doubt or leniency, which side they're on, and slam into it at 100 mph.

Things are NEVER that one-sided. Nothing is, not the right or wrong of an issue, not black or white, not male or female, even.

The "rulings" about language are stupid. They probably got made (if it's actually true) because people are too stupid or boorish, or whatever the right term is, to just be nice. I say this because of the apparent resentment some have to being expected to be nice. Obviously, some people need that,

But they (if it's actually true) are stupid. How is anyone going to be able to identify the idiots if they speak like a nice person?

For the record, women have breasts, and men have...breasts. Women breast feed because of hormones. If a person who was born male has those hormones, they can breast feed. Give breast milk. From THEIR BREASTS. So the article (if it's actually true) obviously didn't consult any of the medical people at that hospital.

But, wait... it's the Daily Mail, right?

Daniel Radcliffe's reply.
and
a brief explanation of the whole thing.
This automatic slamming-to-the-extreme does get in the way of communicating. If someone focused on every obnoxious-to-them thing I say, that's all the conversation would be about. Nothing else would ever get through that filter. People/extremists being assholes, and people/extremists reacting to people being assholes. Knock it off and go have a beer, or talk about music or something.

But, wait... it's the Internet, right?

Peace, out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 10:24 AM

Well I for one was not slamming into her at 100 mph (which is the sort of thing you do to some of us Brits at times, Jeri...). Suggesting that we should perhaps view the spoutings of someone going well beyond their own area of expertise through a lens of scepticism is not even remotely doing that. You wouldn't be damning me for saying that about journalists who put the news or comment into newspapers or on to the telly, would you, even though, arguably, they enjoy more expertise in their spoutings than Rowling does in hers in the matter to hand.

Anyway, I've read the stuff you've posted, and, whilst acknowledging that she's rowed back somewhat from her earlier clumsy output, I think she's got herself into a bit of a mess. Maybe she should knock it off and go have a beer, or talk about music or something...

But it's not hate speech or anything. It's a muddle, and free speech allows muddles, so it's all ok.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 11:56 AM

Celebrities generally tend not to be the brightest of sparks;
so it's no surprise if it seriously backfires into triggered mass backlash
when they think they are being clever on social media...

Gina Carano being the latest prime example of a celeb
who does not have enough sense to know when to stop typing and posting...

Serves her right...???


Though J. K. Rowling is probably a more intelligent and liberal celeb
than Carano.

Rowling has a much better justified position to argue back against a hostile fanatical minority..

This 'war' between feminists and trans activists is a godsend for right wing media like the mail,
who can exploit this opportunity for fomenting divide and rule strife
between two progressive movements...

Reactionary media like the mail will gratuitously bash both feminists and trans at the same time;
depicting them as 'extremist fascistic woke lefty academic cults'
manipulating the law to impose their 'loony' demands and terms
on 'normal' mass society...

Voices of moderate feminists and trans who have much in common to agree on,
just get ignored by the right wing media agenda to stamp down on any progressive movements in society...

Again, IMHO..
.. and this all gets further complicated if we consider that a lot of feminists and trans
are basically very right wing leaning self-centred arseholes..
But I'm not writing a degree essay,
just filling in time between household chores...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 03:24 PM

Talking and generalising

Celebrities generally tend not to be the brightest of sparks;


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 03:42 PM

Dick - ??????

Gotta admit I'm baffled by any point you're trying to make by quoting me...???

Unless you're standing up for celebrities,
Challenging the merest hint that too many of them may be as thick as two short planks...???


Here's a big generalisation for you..

Folk singers..

..far too intelligent to ever become famous celebrities...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 03:43 PM

Back to the OP issue:

My initial reaction was, if nearly all of the people having babies are female, it is *reasonable* to assume that any given laboring individual is female. The few exceptions can correct that assumption if they wish to, right?

And I thought that as a non-cis, nonbinary person. I am not offended if people assume I am the gender I look like, and I don't correct strangers. I *do* correct my kith, colleagues and kin, and the appropriate 3rd-person pronoun to refer to me in my presence is They...

But...

Then I remembered how annoying it was when everybody assumed I was xian, when I first moved to Virginia, and even more so with kids in public elementary schools. I have spent decades now trying to remind various authorities to remember that other religions, and atheism, also exist.

I am pleased as punch when politicians, especially, refer to people of "all faiths and none" (Blair, after 9.11) or people of faith "and people of conviction" (Tim Kaine, on the campaign trail).

So I have reversed my original reflex of Oh, come on. It really, really, when you are in a tiny minority, is *nice* to have your existence remembered.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 04:00 PM

there are some celeberties that are bright sparks. so stop talking generailsed nonsense
8 of the Smartest Celebrities in the World

    Mayim Bialik (b. December 12, 1975)
    Shaquille O'Neal (b. March 6, 1972)
    Ken Jeong (b. July 13, 1969)
    Gerard Butler (b. November 13, 1969)
    James Franco (b. April 19, 1978)
    Brian May (b. July 19, 1947)
    Greg Graffin (b. November 6, 1964)
    Christy Turlington (b. January 2, 1969)


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 04:13 PM

Mods - sorry.. but...

Dick - So you searched all through my post looking for something
to take exception to,
and that is the best you could come up with...!!!???


"Celebrities generally tend not to be the brightest of sparks"

Yes, a light hearted in context blatantly obvious generalisation,..

I admit it, you got me bang to rights guv...

I'm very sorry celebrities..

Your white knight champion Dick has positive proof
at least 8 of you are not all dim light bulb thickos...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 04:17 PM

But it's funny how so many of you highly intelligent celebs
constantly get into such career damaging trouble
by posting very stupid statements on social media...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Jos
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 04:18 PM

What qualifies someone as being a "celebrity"? Is it someone most people respect, or at least know about?
Sandman's list of eight celebrities includes only one that I have heard of. Maybe that is a sign of my ignorance.
Or does it mean that I don't watch enough television or read enough magazines to be accepted as a member of society?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 04:38 PM

Jos - that's a very crucial question...

But all celebs have potential power and influence,
for good or bad, on social media...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 04:39 PM

not all pfr, nothing to do with you ,
   more the principle of people making generalised statements, a lot of posters do it particularly below the line. particularly on the subject of brexit[ i do not include you on that one]
jos
you can be a member of society, and be unknowing of celebreties but celebration is not necessarily about appearing on television or magazines, these days it is also about the internet, because you have not heard of them it does not mean that they are not celebrities, how about looking them up and learning.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 05:09 PM

Dick - no problems, as long as we enjoy good humoured banter...

I can walk in on my mrs watching some random celebrity panel TV show,
and these days I haven't a clue who a lot of them are.

But that's mainly because there's a new generation of celebs emerging from social media blogs and videos..

They already have mass influence on the internet,
before TV headhunts them for celebrity showcase realty shows
and light entertainment programs..

It's a fair guess that.. [generalisation alert]..
that not too many of 'em
are progressive liberals or lefties...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 05:11 PM

.. though that guess might also be unfair...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 05:23 PM

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There you go. The human race by gender.

Mrrzy, your soubriquet begins with "Mr." I've assumed from that, 'til now, that you are a fella. There are occasions when I've had to refer to you as something. If I've got that wrong, I apologise, but do try to be clear as to how you would like to be addressed. As for me, call me whatever you like.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 06:23 PM

Mrrzy does start with an m and an r but that is funny you would think that it starts with Mr.! I only had that happen once before, in a meetup thing, with a group I did a lot with. One party, someone turned to me and asked Who is this Mr. Arzy who always signs up and never shows? Mrrzy is just my name, pronounced like the river Mersey, or like myrrh+zee, or like mercy with a z.

And when addressing me, one would use my name, or the pronouns You and Your, all gender-free. When *referring to me* in my presence, the name stays the same but the pronoun becomes They, Them, or Their. I think of it as plural, referring to my mind and body, which differ in gender.

I must admit, though, when people do remember to say They when referring to me, I have a tendency to think Wait, me and who else? I only figured out not being cis about 5-6 years ago... I have some getting used to it to do. So I feel for the folks that have a hard time with They as a singular pronoun.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 06:28 PM

I'll try harder. I've been called Mr Arsey in my time...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 06:51 PM

"Steve" begins with "St" but I don't think of you as a saint.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 07:09 PM

Well you're DC but I don't regard you as being related to George Washington...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hospital in Brighton has gone bonkers
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 21 - 07:20 PM

...In m'humble...   :-)


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