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BS: 2021 vaccination thread

Big Al Whittle 30 Jan 21 - 04:50 AM
Mr Red 30 Jan 21 - 04:01 AM
The Sandman 30 Jan 21 - 03:30 AM
Steve Shaw 29 Jan 21 - 06:38 PM
robomatic 29 Jan 21 - 06:33 PM
Jos 29 Jan 21 - 09:14 AM
Bonzo3legs 29 Jan 21 - 05:13 AM
Nigel Parsons 29 Jan 21 - 04:25 AM
The Sandman 29 Jan 21 - 03:41 AM
robomatic 28 Jan 21 - 08:05 PM
robomatic 28 Jan 21 - 08:03 PM
Tattie Bogle 28 Jan 21 - 07:51 PM
Bonzo3legs 28 Jan 21 - 04:05 PM
Donuel 28 Jan 21 - 02:45 PM
DMcG 28 Jan 21 - 02:18 PM
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Thompson 28 Jan 21 - 11:25 AM
Senoufou 28 Jan 21 - 10:22 AM
Steve Shaw 28 Jan 21 - 08:06 AM
Stilly River Sage 27 Jan 21 - 11:28 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Jan 21 - 04:50 AM

I've got mine tonight.

I think it would be nice - once we've sorted ourselves out to help some other nations - starting with the Irish. They are our closest neighbours, but we've not always enjoyed an easy relationship, and it would be a friendly gesture.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Mr Red
Date: 30 Jan 21 - 04:01 AM

Efficacy?
vaccines in the arm or vaccines made?

There is a difference. I hear stories of 500 vaccines left out of the 'fridge being investigated supposedly deliberately - no room in the 'fridge when the next batch arrived would be my best guess.

And the volunteers students on their way to a vaccine centre in America caught in a snowstorm deciding to offer shots to other stranded motorists. Not all accepted.

Vaccines stored at lower temperatures have less chance of "spoiling".

Real life is messy! It's a jungle out there.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Jan 21 - 03:30 AM

jos so the patients never get out of bed to have a pee? of course they do and that is the time when the bed space needs to be further apart. well steve, you have not been to ireland lately have you


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jan 21 - 06:38 PM

Unfortunately, I have had more experience with hospitals in recent times than I'd have liked. I have never seen beds anything like as close as a metre apart.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 29 Jan 21 - 06:33 PM

Well, as Dr. Fauci said yesterday the 6 feet separation rule is a rule of thumb. The physics of it is simple: The further away you are, the less likely transmission is.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Jos
Date: 29 Jan 21 - 09:14 AM

The distance between the patients themselves will be larger than the gap between the beds, as there will be a bit of unoccupied bed-space either side of each patient, varying, of course, with how fat the patients are. This could add the best part of another metre.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Jan 21 - 05:13 AM

Irish hospitals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 29 Jan 21 - 04:25 AM

I can't say I've ever seen hospital beds spaced that closely.
According to The BBC the standard gap is 3.6m


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Jan 21 - 03:41 AM

I am posting this here as it is the closest in subject.
The Government advises us to social distance two meters for safety yet beds in hospitals are only one metre apart, completely illogical, and indicaes that hospitals are unsafe places to be near


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Jan 21 - 08:05 PM

Oh, I always bring a Sudoku or puzzle with me so that I have something to occupy my mind with, plus, if folks see that you are busy, they are less likely to leave you idling!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Jan 21 - 08:03 PM

I was actually helped by a call to my school district office after a word from some friends who'd just been there and been seen to. A very friendly school official in a very short time gave me enough facts so that I went right to my vehicle and drove over, with the experience I mentioned above.

Not that I understand life on your side of the block, but I've learned that once policies get announced, they may rapidly undergo change, among them for us that vaccines get prepared in lots and batches, and once thawed out, they need to go into arms or be wasted. And people answer phones even when they're supposed to be talking to people right in front of them.

It's a matter of life and health. Good hunting!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 28 Jan 21 - 07:51 PM

@ robomatic: we have been told not to phone our GP’s surgeries to ask about getting vaccinated as it’s “don’t cal us, we’ll call you or send a letter”.
However there is a phone number on my husband’s letter to call if you have any problem with the appointment given, so I might just call that before the day to see if there is any possibility of just turning up and getting done as you suggest. May be different over here though :-(


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 Jan 21 - 04:05 PM

They will inject in my arm!!!


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Subject: RE: 2021 vacation thread
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jan 21 - 02:45 PM

I will have my vacation injected this March.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Jan 21 - 02:18 PM

I have just checked that link and the first six minutes or so were recorded before the talk started. You can skip that!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Jan 21 - 02:14 PM

I have just watched this Royal Society discussion on the development of the vaccines. It lasts around an hour, but some of you may find it interesting. I hope it can be seen outside the UK, but I don't know, to be honest.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Thompson
Date: 28 Jan 21 - 11:25 AM

Oh, don't be annoying me with your Q Fever! I have been looking forever for a short story about a space traveller who comes back to earth after long years and finds the place empty of humans; first thing he sees is a sign saying

WAR Q

on a cliff; he doesn't know that language changed in the centuries he was away, and this meant "Beware Q"; every human on earth has been killed by an epidemic of Q Fever.

Meanwhile the German vaccine advisory group has put out a notice that they don't, for the moment, advise the AstraZeneca vaccine for over-64s, as it's not sufficiently tested for them.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 28 Jan 21 - 10:22 AM

I caught Giardiasis in Ghana many years ago. Stupidly brushed my teeth at the cold tap in the hotel in Accra. (Bottled water please, never ever the tap!) My face literally went grey, most odd. Constant loo-visits, terrible abdo pain. Took two courses of antibiotics to get rid of it.
In most West African countries, one needs a current certificate of immunisation against Yellow Fever in order to be permitted entry. I had my injection at our local surgery, and the nurse told me I might have some 'mild flu-like symptoms'.
That night, I woke up flat on my back on the kitchen floor in my nightdress (no idea how or why I'd got there!) surrounded by several bemused and worried-looking cats. Overhead flew rather evil-looking monsters grinning maliciously at me. (hallucinations) I was sweating like a fountain. 'Flu-like'? Hmmm...
Fortunately, the regulations now state that one Yellow Fever jab is for life.
I wonder if there are any adverse reactions to the Covid vaccination?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 21 - 08:06 AM

I didn't progress to pneumonia but I had a high fever for four days, boy did I sweat, and horrible gastrointestinal issues at both ends. One afternoon I collapsed on the bathroom floor. I had a ferocious headache that took months to fade after I'd recovered from the fever. I didn't know what I'd had until a blood test weeks later showed up Q Fever (Coxiella) antibodies. Just before I'd caught it the farmer next door to us had allowed me to help myself to his dung heap (horses and cows) for my veg garden. I'm pretty sure it was the dust from that that infected me.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 11:28 PM

That is quite a fever that few if any have heard of.

Number of available doses are going to go up within the next three weeks here in the US, but it will still be a struggle because making vaccine involves a lot of quality control and materials (a story recently ran on the news about the glass vials the vaccine is shipped in being in short supply - and how a new method of micro-layering a gaseous glass just a few molecules thick onto a special type of plastic to make vials that are air tight.) It's not like they can just double the batch.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 09:58 PM

Holy Crap! I just looked it up!

It is nothing to sneeze at!

I'm afraid that if I even mention it next time I go to the blood bank they'll evict me!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 09:49 PM

I don't know why but that made me LOL.

So WTF is Q Fever? Does it lead to R, S, or T disease?

Vowel disorder?

Inconsonants?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 08:32 PM

Especially on a Saturday Night


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 06:54 PM

I caught a disease called Q Fever in 1990. I was banned from giving blood for life.

By the way, try to not catch Q Fever....


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 06:33 PM

In the U.S. you can donate blood after the Pfizer or Moderna jab, but there is a deferral for a time after the Astrazenica jab.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 05:22 PM

Noreen My source was Reuters right off the wire. It certainly is a progressing story but a denial is seldom the final word.

As Thompson says https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/26/astrazeneca-supplies-to-eu-vaccine-efficacy-for-the-elderly-in-focus.html


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 04:48 PM

Still no word of vaccinations for us, but husband was tested today at his school, along with all the other cleaners. This seems a bit daft to me. One could be tested today, it could come back as negative, then one could contract Covid the very next morning!
Apparently, the High School pupils won't be returning to school until the end of April. But there are several children of key workers attending now. Husband is cleaning pupils' and teachers' toilets and I think he's at risk. Being BAME as well, he's rather vulnerable.
Bring on the vaccinations ASAP!!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 01:43 PM

I had my first shot today - the AZ Oxford one - and have a date for the second jab in April, 12 weeks away. There was a short wait in a queue, seated inside, then I left straight after the jab with no waiting around. All done and dusted in less than 10 minutes.

The system was well set up for social distancing and the plastic chairs in the waiting area were cleaned as each one was vacated.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 11:55 AM

What is the story of the illegal parties/ paid for catching COVID? It doesn't make sense as presented here?

I wish more municipalities or other entities (counties and states, primarily) would take this more seriously. Portions of those entities are; the ones providing the shots are deadly serious about eliminating the virus, but the rest of their agencies seem unconcerned about enforcement. New York State has done a better job than a lot of places.

It's interesting to read this week that the state that did the best job so far in getting the vaccines into senior centers and assisted living is West Virginia. They declined federal government participation and instead contracted throughout the state with lots of pharmacies to do the job (many states just go with the two biggest pharmacy corporations, Walgreens and CVS, found on every other street corner in urban settings.) Here is the story on CNN.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Allan Conn
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 11:17 AM

I think you can't compare like for like efficacy because how they carried out the tests etc and how they worked out the efficacy differs. Both the main ones currently being distributed in the UK supposedly have high efficacy though which is the main thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 06:32 AM

No - slipped finger on iphone, profit £300!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Jos
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 05:28 AM

You may be right. That might explain why it wasn't mentioned in the post.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Rain Dog
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 05:20 AM

To the accountant Jos


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Jos
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 05:19 AM

So where does the other £100 go?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 04:45 AM

So you will be fined £200 for attending an illegal party - if you catch covid government will pay you £500 - result £200 profit!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Thompson
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 04:44 AM

Donuel, the supposed low rate of efficacy of the AstraZenica vaccine is a misreading of the figures, which said that only 8% to 10% of the people in the tests of that vaccine were over 70.
I'd love to see a graph of the estimated efficacy of the different vaccines, but haven't found one yet; but I think the Pfizer one is supposed to have a better protective level than the AstraZenica one. Which makes it all the more annoying that (if I'm reading it right) the plan in Ireland appears to be to give the over-70s the AstraZenica vax.
What we're not realising is that the number of vaccines being produced is only what's possible for the factories - equivalent to a ukelele maker suddenly being told to fulfil the worldwide guitar demand.
Fair play to the Indians, who are giving away vaccine to Nepal, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Bhutan, Maldives and Seychelles.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Mr Red
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 03:13 AM

It looks like my local county health authority have a system of giving out a little card with the date of vaccination and a recall date for the second jab. Physical evidence and a reminder. Good enough for me.

I await the call to arm.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Jan 21 - 10:00 PM

Tattie Bogle:

In cases where one of you receives an invitation to get a vaccine and another is not, despite obvious criteria for being so vaccinated, it might avail to go together and see what happens. I was vaccinated on a walk-in basis, and there was a wait-listed line of people who would fill in because the vaccine was thawed out on a batch basis and the medical folk were not going to waste any doses.

Just a thought.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Jan 21 - 06:31 PM

I heard on the news today that Merck abandoned two vaccines it was working on because they couldn't be shown to be very effective.

There is a lot of vaccine information available from Tiberious (a US Dept. of Defense site).

Vaccine makers have plans to adjust the existing formulations or offer a booster if needed to deal with the new varieties turning up if they become prevalent. So far the vaccines are effective against most of them.

Biden found the Trump vaccine program in disarray, he talked about it in a press conference today. They're pushing to get a lot more doses made within the next three weeks to boost the daily vaccine administration numbers.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: EBarnacle
Date: 26 Jan 21 - 05:55 PM

Sunday, a friend tipped us off that 1B's were going ahead in our area. I got the email about an hour later, offering the shot and scheduled for yesterday. Other than a bit if bureaucratic glitching, it went smoothly. No pain, no side effects as of this afternoon. Lady Hillary is in 1C and expects to get hers next week.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 26 Jan 21 - 08:04 AM

My wife is to have her first vaccine on Friday at our GP Surgery. I still await the call!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 21 - 07:51 AM

32,000 doses of vaccine not used in required 7 days in UTAH


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jan 21 - 07:48 PM

In addition, though there is growing evidence that the UK new variant is more transmissible, I'm not aware that there is, as yet, any convincing evidence that the South African and Brazilian variants share that attribute. I think it's quite important that we stick to what we actually know.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Noreen
Date: 25 Jan 21 - 07:19 PM

Donuel, where did you get the information that "Astra Zenica is only 10% effective for the elderly"? You sound as if you DO want to be the bearer of bad news- maybe make sure it's true before sharing?

A report in German newspapers claiming similar has been denied, and AZ say good antibody response has been seen in the elderly (very few elderly people were included in the initial trials).

From AstraZeneca denies report vaccine less effective in elderly:
In a written response, AstraZeneca described the German media reports saying its COVID-19 vaccine was shown to have a very low efficacy in the elderly as "completely incorrect".
It said Britain's Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation supported the vaccine's use in the elderly. It also said that a strong immune responses to the vaccine had been shown in blood analysis of elderly trial participants.


Also from The International Journal of the British Geriatrics Society:

Unpublished Phase III analyses suggest high efficacy [in the over 65s]
Many of the Phase III trials have made a conscious effort to recruit older people, and interim analyses of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine have led to press releases announcing high degrees of efficacy.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 25 Jan 21 - 07:08 PM

Drum roll! A letter dropped through our door this morning inviting my husband to attend for vaccination on Feb 2nd. Great - but where’s mine?? My husband is marginally younger than me too, and despite his cardiac history has not been advised to “shield”.
I’ll await our next postal delivery with interest! Since COVID, it has been down to only 2 or 3 times per week.
And he has been given an appointment at Edinburgh International Conference Centre, which is being used as a vaccination hub and is pretty central Edinburgh, a place we have avoided like the plague since last March. To get there could mean 2 buses: again, not been on any of those since last March, or take the car into a highly priced parking area (central zone prices) not knowing how long you might have to wait and risking a parking fine. Oh, what joy! Then if I get my appointment on a different day, just relat or double that!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jan 21 - 06:17 PM

Bad News.
I don't wish to be the bearer of bad news but the truth is not always what we would want. Denial doesn't help anyone so may the usual suspects, please hold your tongue.
First we do have two vaccines for the early varient of Covid.
Merck has failed entirely and Astra Zenica is only 10% effective for the elderly. Also the two remaining companies in the research pipeline Johnson and Johnson and Novachex won't announce their one dose findings until March.

Moderna and Pfizer are our working vaccines but the race against 4 new varients is not fully understood except that they are worse in being more infectious. Lab studies are not as good as human trials so bottom line we don't know except for the statement that in essence new varients are 30% more deadly.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Jan 21 - 01:38 AM

Dr. Fauci himself mentioned that he experienced fatigue after his vaccination.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: keberoxu
Date: 23 Jan 21 - 09:59 PM

just for the record:
when I went to the nurses' station this week,
and confessed to exhaustion and fatigue,
the nurse assured me that
I was not the only person who received the first dose of vaccine the previous weekend
who complained of that side effect.
I literally did require more sleep and less effort this week.
Not that I regret getting vaccinated.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: keberoxu
Date: 22 Jan 21 - 07:23 PM

Hank Aaron got vaccinated this month,
and made it a photo op, talking to the Associated Press.

It is just a little, erm, poorly timed
that he died this morning.
Yes, I know the vaccine didn't do it, but still ...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Jan 21 - 07:20 PM

What a pleasure it is to hear Dr. Fauci unhindered 'liberated' speaking on public radio.

He was talking over his vaccination and the importance of getting as many people vaccinated even though the newer strains of U.K., South Africa, and now Brazil SEEM to throw efficacy in doubt. Dr. Fauci is emphasizing that the main effects of the new strains are increased transmissibility and the vaccine limits that. How resistant the new strains are to the vaccine once transmitted is something we are still learning, but the vaccine is still effective, possibly less effective, but we simply don't know.

GET VACCINATED.


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