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BS: 2021 vaccination thread

Allan Conn 09 Feb 21 - 09:53 AM
Bonzo3legs 09 Feb 21 - 09:05 AM
Thompson 09 Feb 21 - 08:54 AM
Stilly River Sage 09 Feb 21 - 01:38 AM
Bill D 08 Feb 21 - 08:34 PM
Senoufou 08 Feb 21 - 04:20 PM
Stilly River Sage 08 Feb 21 - 03:32 PM
fat B****rd 08 Feb 21 - 11:55 AM
Mrrzy 07 Feb 21 - 09:28 PM
Senoufou 07 Feb 21 - 01:02 PM
Stilly River Sage 07 Feb 21 - 11:30 AM
Allan Conn 07 Feb 21 - 11:14 AM
Steve Shaw 07 Feb 21 - 10:52 AM
Stilly River Sage 07 Feb 21 - 10:37 AM
Jeri 07 Feb 21 - 10:23 AM
Steve Shaw 07 Feb 21 - 05:31 AM
Tattie Bogle 07 Feb 21 - 04:46 AM
Thompson 06 Feb 21 - 11:43 PM
robomatic 06 Feb 21 - 04:51 PM
keberoxu 06 Feb 21 - 03:15 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Allan Conn
Date: 09 Feb 21 - 09:53 AM

There were huge numbers vaccinated in Scotland last week and it ramped up even more yesterday when the figure was over 61,000. That equates to about 750,000 for the day on a UK population basis. The snow won't help today though I imagine.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Feb 21 - 09:05 AM

Glad you're OK Senoufou, I'm off to doctor's surgery for my first jab in 10 minutes. I was going to walk because of icy roads, but our side road is clear so I'll drive and drop into Sainsbury's on the way back for a cake as my prize!!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Thompson
Date: 09 Feb 21 - 08:54 AM

Those dating site people are being foolish. Having the vaccine stops you getting (very) sick; it's not known whether it stops you giving others the virus if you're carrying it.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Feb 21 - 01:38 AM

In hindsight I'd say that the following week I felt rather lethargic (more than usual). The call from the county came this evening, my appointment is later this week and has been accepted. This is for shot number two of the Pfizer.

The news this evening said that the vaccinations are picking up the pace, that in the US now 10% of the people have had at least 1 dose of the vaccine.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Feb 21 - 08:34 PM

Had mine last Friday.Moderna.
Sore arm for a couple days. I feel fine. It was well run, with 25 or more volunteers directing traffic and lines.... and over 15 stations giving the shots. I'd guess there were over 150 in line at any one time, but lines moved quickly.
(Montgomery County, MD)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 08 Feb 21 - 04:20 PM

Merci Mrrzy!
Felt rather tired today, and have stayed in bed dozing. Injected arm isn't sore, but what is strange is that the other arm is!
This evening I'm feeling much better, and have no other side-effects to report.
Please don't have any worries about the Vaccine - It's as easy as pie!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Feb 21 - 03:32 PM

I've heard on the news that a popular way people are introducing themselves on some of the online dating sites is to announce their status as far as receiving the vaccine - and those who are through the process are in a better position to start meeting people again.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: fat B****rd
Date: 08 Feb 21 - 11:55 AM

I'm due mine at Dunfermline Athletic football ground on Friday at 12.32. Just thought I'd mention that.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Feb 21 - 09:28 PM

Bien bon, Senoufou.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Feb 21 - 01:02 PM

Just got back from our Doctor's Surgery. So well-organised. In and out in minutes. Was given the Astra Zeneca vaccine. Didn't hurt at all.
Back in 4-12 weeks for the second one.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Feb 21 - 11:30 AM

I'm listing various events simply to place a date prior to COVID. I didn't look it up, but I imagine you knew that.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Allan Conn
Date: 07 Feb 21 - 11:14 AM

Aye Steve the UN has stated that the Israel has the moral duty to vaccinate everyone in the occupied territories whether Jewish settlers or Palestinians.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Feb 21 - 10:52 AM

There was no SARS vaccine, Maggie.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Feb 21 - 10:37 AM

Yes, and at one time there was a program in the US that had to do with making sure that doses of vaccines were delivered to poorer countries (you have to look back to SARS or Ebola or Bird Flu, etc.). I hope the Biden folks have built that back into the International outreach (or are working on it as I type).

The State Department has a lot to do with this, as do other federal agencies, so there are any number of places to start looking for the answer to this distribution problem. If all of the vaccine is hogged by rich countries the virus in the wild will go through a lot of mutations and come back to bite everyone in the ass.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Feb 21 - 10:23 AM

The USA is all over the place with vaccinations, as each state is different. New Hampshire actually seems to have its shit together, and our Republican governor has been excellent throughout this whole thing. The appointment-making website is confusing a lot of people, who can't get their second-dose appointment, so now, when you get the first, they give you an appointment for the second. So having a date for the first shot in March has allowed them time to work that particular bug out. I can last.

I don't know how hard I tried to get this across when I was still working in public health, but basically, your health depends on your brother/sister's health. One lunchtime debate I remember was when someone took a Libertarian point of view*. People should pay to be considered part of society, and eligible for benefits such as health care.
The problem with that was/is, when the have-nots get communicable diseases, you get them, too. Diseases don't care about how much money or power people have.
The virus will continue replicating and mutating in countries that don't get vaccines, and those mutations will end up on our doorstep. Some of them may involve vaccine-resistant strains.

We ARE our brother's keeper.

* He was a doctor, my boss's boss's boss, and one of his specialties was public health. He just liked to debate.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Feb 21 - 05:31 AM

"I just wish one of the Arab states would set up a vaccination programme for Palestine, for the safety of both the Palestinians and the Israelis."

Well, as Israel controls those occupied territories I should think that, morally speaking, that's their job.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 07 Feb 21 - 04:46 AM

Well my husband (same age as me in years) got his on Tuesday at one of those mass vax centres in a conference hall, but I’m still waiting...........no letter, no phone appointment, and no, you can’t just turn up without an appointment letter: my husband saw several uninvited people who had come along with invited partners being turned away. This in spite of Nicola Sturgeon’s promise that all those in age bracket 70-74 would have at least had notification of a first appointment by Friday 5th. There seems to be a problem with those who are 74 but nearly 75, such as myself: several people I know also not been called by either channel yet. It is very confusing, frustrating and anxiety-generating.
However....we had reason to contact our GP on another matter, and I mentioned that I hadn’t heard yet about a vaccination: he has confirmed that I would be done at the GP surgery and should be contacted some time during this coming week. I won’t really believe it until the needle is in my arm!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Thompson
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 11:43 PM

The vaccine(s) seem to be pretty good at stamping on the virus's toes; in Israel, where they've vaccinated virtually all of the population, the numbers of sick are dropping fast. (I just wish one of the Arab states would set up a vaccination programme for Palestine, for the safety of both the Palestinians and the Israelis.)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 04:51 PM

keb:

I was actually a little hesitant about writing what I wrote. In fact, when I was getting the news from my friend first I said:

"If it's a bad reaction I don't want to know because my mind will make my body react that way!"
then I said:
"Well, I DO want to know if it's been everybody you know (it was three persons)!"
and now I say: "It's worth knowing but don't believe it's a given thing. Half the time it's a way people have to convince themselves that it's the real vaccine and it will really work."

The mind is a terrible thing sometimes.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 03:15 PM

Robomatic, thanks for the warning about
the effects of the second dose of coronavirus vaccine.
My appointment for my second vaccination
is two weeks from today.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Lurcherman
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 03:13 PM

I volunteered for the Novovax trial, from reports on the BBC the preliminary results look to be good. First jab gave me the symptoms of flu but they soon went, second jab no symptoms at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 01:53 PM

The weather forecast for Norfolk warns of up to a foot of snow tomorrow and very high winds. Husband should be driving me over to a village six miles away for my vaccination in the early evening. Our funny neighbour has offered to lend us his tractor (it has a cabin)! I'm really tempted to take him up on his offer, but I reckon the vaccinations will be cancelled.
Talk about arriving in style!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Thompson
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 01:47 PM

The World Health Organisation have warned against the first world hoarding vaccines when the third world is in desperate need.
Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, WHO director-general, warned of "catastrophic moral failure" and that this could destroy our economy, while Mike Ryan, WHO's chief of emergencies, said the rich were “fighting over the cake” when when frontline health workers in poor countries “don’t even have access to the crumbs”.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 11:44 AM

Not ten minutes ago on the radio I heard a story of a younger man who was in a pharmacy when he was offered a jab. He was in DC the day of the 'insurrection' (JAN06) and stopped in for supplies, and the cashier told him the doses were defrosted and available with no scheduled takers. He and an older man who was on the scene got the shots.

Apparently this included a scheduled second shot and it gave him a noticeable reaction as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 06:36 AM

That's the trouble with a hobby you enjoy for 40 years or more, you're in danger of finding it's no longer a young person's thing.

When I had my vaccination, I was sitting in the medical centre, waiting my turn. I was looking at the others either side of me when I suddenly realised - this was a queue of old people .... and me!


DC


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Allan Conn
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 06:23 AM

Re the queue thing. I suppose it depends on folk's principles too. There was some criticism here in the UK, in Wales to be more specific, that council workers who were not front line in the fight against the pandemic were on some occassions able to get vaccines before the aged, before the more vulnerable and before the front line workers. Don't know the specifics and if it was exaggerated by the press but I suspect that might have stopped now with the negative press. So if someone feels it may not be their turn then you can only admire their principles.

Saying that to ensure the roll out is smooth and numbers keep up they do start vaccinating people in the next group down the priority list before everyone in the higher group has had it. Otherwise time would be wasted finishing off the dribs and drabs before the next vaccination list.

Also there is the issue of potential wastage. If at the end of the day there is some left over (which may for instance be Pfizer which may be nearing its got to use it now limit) then it would be a crime to waste it rather than get it in the nearest suitable arm.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 05:19 AM

Of course it's your turn if offered by a legitimate authority, how can anyone think otherwise???????


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: BobL
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 03:08 AM

Last night's Zoom meeting with members of one of the local country dance clubs, the conversation turned to vaccinations (mine's booked BTW). And I thought: what does this tell us about the age of country dancers these days? That's the trouble with a hobby you enjoy for 40 years or more, you're in danger of finding it's no longer a young person's thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 05 Feb 21 - 07:38 PM

Just went hiking with my dog walking buddy. Three of her friends, various ages, just had their second jabs. All had stronger reactions than they had after their first jabs. Feeling sick and flu-like.

We're getting ours next week.

All are mRNA vaccines (Moderna or Pfizer).

Most people I see or observe are maintaining mask wearing and distancing. And for now Alaska State numbers are going down.

Ebbie if you're reading this your mileage may vary. I hope you are not unduly affected by yesterday's news out of Canada: Canada extends cruise ship ban through Feb 2022

Right now that is bad news for Alaska State tourism, and it's not clear that American legislation can or will alleviate it.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 01 Feb 21 - 08:38 PM

Mrrzy:

I understand your laudable desire for your 'proper' turn. Practically speaking, when you get offered it by a legitimate authority, it IS your turn. Once done, you can continue your job all the better for it. As much as an ordered progression of recipients getting dosed in their time is admirable, things do not necessarily happen that way. The very fact that you got offered a jab is evidence of that.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Feb 21 - 07:24 PM

The big hospital system based in my home town in Washington did an email promotion to their donors who are eligible age-wise, but it didn't go over well that this group in an entitled demographic were offered this as a perk for being donors. I suspect the simple act of dividing resources and addressing both those over 65 AND hard-hit zip codes (something Dallas tried to do last month) is too simple for the Texas state executives who seem to have no idea and don't leave it to the medical professionals.

What is happening in New York State, where they waged such a successful battle after being inundated last spring but have since stumbled all over themselves, is an example. A politician decided to ask hospitals to do something that public health officials already had a hand on and were planning to do. And now many of those top health officials are quitting or going to other jobs within the state. It's such a waste of talent.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Feb 21 - 12:01 PM

I have been helping route traffic at a vax site, and they offered us jabs, but I said I'd wait till it was my actual turn. No comorbidity, under 60, I can wait.

Meanwhile our big hospital has apparently been jabbing *all* their staff, even the computer coders working from home, and not jabbing the public, even old people or those with risk factors. Shame, I say.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Feb 21 - 11:05 AM

Excellent post, Thompson, and Dahl would absolutely be the first to make this case if he were still around.

I was listening to a discussion on NPR (National Public Radio) this weekend and the conclusion of the guest being interviewed (I can't remember which program to post a link) is that the best way to reverse the views of those who are vaccine averse is to have a one-on-one conversation with them. Especially if that person talking to them has experience with the disease or the vaccine.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Mr Red
Date: 01 Feb 21 - 09:01 AM

What's the proportion of people who would have died anyway? - can be deduced from "excess deaths" - for the UK worst since WW2 see BBC story

In Ireland that would appear to be 2 to 3000

The people who would have died anyway would have died over a longer period, because we keep them alive longer these days. So the excess deaths reflect the surge.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Thompson
Date: 01 Feb 21 - 05:36 AM

Roald Dahl's little girl got measles in 1962, shortly before the vaccine was developed. He wrote about it:
(the link also leads to Dahl's children's charity)
==
Olivia, my eldest daughter, caught measles when she was seven years old. As the illness took its usual course I can remember reading to her often in bed and not feeling particularly alarmed about it. Then one morning, when she was well on the road to recovery, I was sitting on her bed showing her how to fashion little animals out of coloured pipe-cleaners, and when it came to her turn to make one herself, I noticed that her fingers and her mind were not working together and she couldn't do anything.

"Are you feeling all right?" I asked her.

"I feel all sleepy," she said.

In an hour, she was unconscious. In twelve hours she was dead.

The measles had turned into a terrible thing called measles encephalitis and there was nothing the doctors could do to save her. That was twenty-four years ago in 1962, but even now, if a child with measles happens to develop the same deadly reaction from measles as Olivia did, there would still be nothing the doctors could do to help her.

On the other hand, there is today something that parents can do to make sure that this sort of tragedy does not happen to a child of theirs. They can insist that their child is immunised against measles. I was unable to do that for Olivia in 1962 because in those days a reliable measles vaccine had not been discovered. Today a good and safe vaccine is available to every family and all you have to do is to ask your doctor to administer it.

It is not yet generally accepted that measles can be a dangerous illness. Believe me, it is. In my opinion parents who now refuse to have their children immunised are putting the lives of those children at risk. In America, where measles immunisation is compulsory, measles like smallpox, has been virtually wiped out.

Here in Britain, because so many parents refuse, either out of obstinacy or ignorance or fear, to allow their children to be immunised, we still have a hundred thousand cases of measles every year. Out of those, more than 10,000 will suffer side effects of one kind or another. At least 10,000 will develop ear or chest infections. About 20 will die.

LET THAT SINK IN.

Every year around 20 children will die in Britain from measles.

So what about the risks that your children will run from being immunised?

They are almost non-existent. Listen to this. In a district of around 300,000 people, there will be only one child every 250 years who will develop serious side effects from measles immunisation! That is about a million to one chance. I should think there would be more chance of your child choking to death on a chocolate bar than of becoming seriously ill from a measles immunisation.

So what on earth are you worrying about? It really is almost a crime to allow your child to go unimmunised.

The ideal time to have it done is at 13 months, but it is never too late. All school-children who have not yet had a measles immunisation should beg their parents to arrange for them to have one as soon as possible.

Incidentally, I dedicated two of my books to Olivia, the first was 'James and the Giant Peach'. That was when she was still alive. The second was 'The BFG', dedicated to her memory after she had died from measles. You will see her name at the beginning of each of these books. And I know how happy she would be if only she could know that her death had helped to save a good deal of illness and death among other children.

==

Dahl's letter remains eerily appropriate today, in light of the ongoing and expanding measles outbreak centered in California. More than 100 cases have now been confirmed in 14 states across the U.S., including Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, Minnesota, Michigan, Nebraska, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Texas, Utah and Washington state. According to the latest figures from the California Department of Public Health, at least 91 of the cases are in California, 58 of which have been linked to the outbreak that began in Disneyland last month. The degree and scale of this outbreak (in the past thirty days, California has seen more confirmed measles cases than it typically sees in a year) has been pinned to the obstinacy, ignorance, and fear of those who would refuse their children, and anyone else unable to vaccinate for legitimate medical reasons, the protection immunization affords.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 31 Jan 21 - 07:45 PM

Further snow and ice forecast for the day my husband has to go for his vaccination: an 8-mile journey - if he can get out of our own road. The neighbours all mucked in to dig it out a couple of weeks back!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Jan 21 - 11:07 AM

Vaccine Tourism to Florida.

Until this opens up to allow more people in their own localities to get vaccines, there will be those who hunt for and go to other community's vaccine programs.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Thompson
Date: 31 Jan 21 - 09:14 AM

Of course, more familiar to others would be the polio vaccines that spread across the world after the polio pandemic of the 1950s - Salk's and Sabin's vaccines saved millions of people from a hideous disease.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Thompson
Date: 31 Jan 21 - 09:03 AM

The Sandman: Of course, as in any outbreak of illness, it's the weakest who die most. That's not to say that they would have died anyway.
I'm not following the statistics with any great dedication; if you're interested, feel free… but if you look at this page and go to "Epidemiology of COVID-19 in Ireland" you'll have an enjoyable browse.
If you want to build up your immune system, of course that's a good idea - don't drive but instead ride a bicycle (slashes instance of heart disease, cancer, diabetes, obesity), eat plenty of fibre and greens, be happy…
But while it's obviously going to help your chances, it didn't necessarily save people in other epidemics like the Spanish Flu, Aids, etc.
Vaccines, however, do have an excellent record - the one closest to home for me is the vaccination drive run by women, both suffragettes and nationalists, from the 1920s on, against the furious opposition of a particularly conservative Church and State, which succeeded in ending an endemic of tuberculosis that made Ireland the sickest country in Europe.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 31 Jan 21 - 05:40 AM

Fresh air ventilation is very important. I work in a single story building. No clients are allowed inside, main door is always open and windows in my room. So we dress very warmly indeed.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 Jan 21 - 05:18 AM

Thompson, I do not know anyone in ireland who has died, obviously people have died, but were they people with weakened immune systems, you have not answered my question about the stats and the reporting.
I am keeping an open mind, I am not saying it is a conspiracy, but i am critical of newspaper reporting, and i have to say that the conspiracy theorists have one thing right, people are being controlled.
   I am also critical of governments handling of this, too much emphasis on masks and not enough on ventilation and space inside buildings., including hospitals and schools
not enough emphasis on how to build up immune system to fight the virus.
what has been sown is being reaped, lack of investment in suitable hospital equipment and suitable hospitals equipped to deal with viruS, years of underfunding in the HSE
cock ups over supply of vaccine plus reports that one of the vaccines is not effective or has limited effect for over 65s
if one of the vaccines is not effective what is the point of taking it?
you say quote"What's the proportion of people who would have died anyway? Tiny, comparatively."
well provide some stats to back that up.
I want the truth, i do not want misinformation from either side.. the government or the conspiracy theorists


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Thompson
Date: 30 Jan 21 - 06:31 PM

Ah, I see, didn't see the report; but the hospitals here are very crowded.
What's the proportion of people who would have died anyway? Tiny, comparatively. The virus is reaping human lives.
The worst figures are for illness and hospitalisation, but the intensive care units are packed. There are graphs on the Wikipedia page about Covid-19 in Ireland that give an idea. Everyone knows people who've died; everyone knows people who've been very ill. Vaccination is happening, but it's at the early stage where medics and people in care home are being vaccinated; all of those I know who've been vaccinated fall into one of those groups (as is right, of course). Plans for faster vaccination of others are being made difficult by companies overpromising what they could provide, then saying, oh, sorry, ooops.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Jan 21 - 03:32 PM

Thompson if people are catching covid in hospital in ireland 2 meters is not far enough apart . would you agree, or alternatively improve ventilation in hospital.
Finally what is the percentage of people who have died of covid but had weakened immune systems, but would have died of their terminal condition anyway
and what is the percentage of people who have covid who have recovered, and what are the stats for people who had weakened immuune systems but did not die
there is very little well informed data being presented to the public, by governments in the uk and in ireland
these are questions that do not appear to be answered
meanwhile certain sections [newspapers] are sensationalising and behaving irresponsibly.
it is important to take care,
but not necessary, to become a hermit, the situation is clearly unhingeing a minority and causing mental problems, i know of at least 4 people who are refusing to go out of their house


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Rain Dog
Date: 30 Jan 21 - 03:23 PM

Hospitals have always been unsafe. A lot of people have died in them.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Jan 21 - 03:16 PM

Thompson in ireland as reported on rte radio one about week to ten dqys ago


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Jan 21 - 03:07 PM

Not being able to plan has made the vaccine distribution difficult. In my county in Texas they set up in a couple of convention centers and in large facilities owned by the county, but without the people to do the work of directing traffic, taking personal information, and generally monitoring all of the traffic through the space, that would be meaningless. And getting those worker-bee people in time to give the shots, it's such an interwoven process that all depends on advance notice.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Thompson
Date: 30 Jan 21 - 01:45 PM

Which vaccine, Donuel?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 21 - 12:29 PM

jeeze louise I'm still in registration limbo.
I assumed Maryland would be quicker than Texas.
I also assume I developed one single shingles painful itchy spot from the shingles vaccine. I'm just glad it wasn't full blown.

I read a story about Utah having 32,000 doses of vaccine expire.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Jan 21 - 11:58 AM

Those 500 vaccines left out to spoil were actually intentionally sabotaged by a malignant and now fired and charged with a crime pharmacist.

Beds in an open hospital ward? That's so 1950s. The closest I've seen to that is the large recovery room for after surgery, where there are curtained off areas that each hold a bed; I imagine it lets the nursing staff tend easily to several people. Those spaces are probably 12 feet wide per space, and you never see the other people in the area. I say this being fully aware that it is my hospital experience because I have insurance, and in the US, if you don't have insurance, things are probably different at hospitals.

The Pfizer vaccine made my upper arm ache slightly, much as one would get after a flu or other type of shot. I was kind of tired for several days, possibly related to that. My daughter got the Moderna and she said that one packed more of a punch as far as the aching arm. I participated in the V-Safe CDC follow-up, and for a couple of days I didn't report the fatigue because I thought it was just me, but it lingered, so I reported it. The CDC sent a daily text for a week to see what I had to report, and if I'd reported something particularly unusual, the message said someone from the CDC might call to follow up.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Thompson
Date: 30 Jan 21 - 08:18 AM

Where are these hospitals with the close-spaced beds? I can't see how it would be possible to nurse people with beds spaced close together - nurses and doctors need room to do their work, including proning patients. A metre between beds certainly wouldn't be enough.


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