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BS: 2021 vaccination thread

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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 Mar 21 - 08:34 AM

Sorry, to clarify my last post, the proof of being free from TB is for people coming INTO UK FROM several countries, including from most of West Africa. No entry is permitted without this, and the aim is to prevent tuberculosis infecting residents here.
I think countries/public places/anywhere that people mix have the right to insist on vaccination proof in order to protect everybody. Covid is deadly, and even if one survives, one can be terribly weakened for a very long time (eg my poor sister)
My husband has been tested a third time for Covid at the school where he works. He is eagerly awaiting a call for his jab.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Mar 21 - 08:29 AM

ibid robo
same as robo post


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 Mar 21 - 07:21 AM

Anyone entering most West African countries must have proof of a Yellow Fever vaccination. One used to have to have a booster, but now a single jab lasts for life.
One cannot enter the countries there without this proof (It's like a small passport)
Also, one needs proof of being free from TB, and a fairly recent X-ray document is required.
I think the time will come when one will need similar proof of a Covid vaccination to be allowed to fly, book into a hotel, even enter a restaurant or bar etc. Abroad and probably here at home too.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Thompson
Date: 04 Mar 21 - 04:39 AM

Anyone who doesn't want vaccines: would they like smallpox back? And polio?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Mar 21 - 01:59 AM

People who refuse the vaccine are stupidly selfish.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 03 Mar 21 - 07:42 PM

Mrzzy:

You've been participating in this thread since early days -of the thread' and making comments as to bits you've heard and conclusions you've drawn. You even had a snipped about apparently working where vaccines were being given and somehow you imply without thought for yourself you turned down the opporunity of a jab. After this, you supplemented these messages with the information that you had no intention of getting the jab for your own reasons, which, assuming you've shared everything, which I now doubt, are not really good or well thought out reasons.

You are still contributing to the thread, but for what purpose?

Meanwhile, since this is a brand new pandemic, it turns out that some of the folks who get sick don't really get well. They are being called "long haulers".

You can consider the administration of the vaccines in their millions, as they are now, as a massive uncontrolled experiment. But we are learning and will continue to learn, the fallout of seocndary effects from the vaccine.

While this thread is vastly beyond the minor messaging available through Twitter, the back-and-forth via forum threads is no comparison to the massively complex subject that is vaccine design and administration. These are extremely complex things. If you ask an actual researcher or someone with experience (such as Dr. Fauci), you often get a long, conditional response that may not strike you as confirmatory. That is what real response sounds like. The pithy responses that you hear from those with political axes to grind, or those who only want the easy yes-or-no answer, are just that.

We have had a world-wide disease that is new, but is related to SARS. It has a known kill rate, but much about it is unknown even now, and will remain so until data have been tabulated and reviewed, and more minds have spent time on it. It is known to mutate, but the significance of how much and how bad is unknown as of this date. Like the rest of life, uncertainties exist.

But there is a history of vaccines and how they are developed, what they can and can't do, and this vaccine is taking place in that tradition. I think it is safe to say that most reports are that where the vaccine is administered, the sickness and death counts get significantly better. So these vaccines have been tested to be safe and effective, and that seems to be borne out by numbers from around the world.

The idea of herd immunity is that once a high percentage of the population is vaccinated, incidence and transmission fall. At some point, transmission falls to zero. There are people who never get vaccinated for legitimate medical reasons, but they obtain their safety by the majority of their fellows being vaccinated.

Maybe you do not believe in this stuff. At least you should say so. Your objections or relegation to quibbling on details do not sound like that of someone who is endangered by the vaccine; Rather,they sound like someone who doesn't believe that it applies to themself.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Mar 21 - 05:43 PM

Well, again, let's be clear and not propagate misinformation. Risk factors regarding susceptibility to infection or to severe disease apropos of your blood group/blood type may well vary according to what you've got. That is to be expected and is normal, in that our genetics are all different, including blood groups. But this is not a susceptibility-to-coronavirus thread. It's a vaccination thread. The risk factors you refer to have nothing to do with the vaccines. I haven't seen any evidence that any vaccine is any more dangerous to any specific blood type. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Otherwise, it looks like you're clutching at straws.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Mar 21 - 04:41 PM

Hmm... better info is appearing on blood group stuff. Group A is, like they said a while back and then weren't so sure, more at risk. Well, there goes my "I have no risk factors" thought...

Not putting my link here.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 07:34 PM

Let's just be really clear here. No "stem cells" were used either in the production or testing of our current vaccines. The cells that WERE used are thousands of generations down the line from the original stem cells and were not obtained from aborted foetuses. Now we know how they originated, and it's down to each one of us to make a moral judgement for ourselves. But we should take into account the fact that the vaccines are going to save hundreds of thousands of lives. To coin a cliche, we are where we are, and even the Vatican, reluctantly I'm sure, recognises that.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 06:46 PM

The stem cells were cloned from a 1970's fetus. All used them in development / research but J&J also use them in production.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 06:19 PM

From Nebraska Medicine:
To make their virus vector vaccine, Johnson & Johnson infects PER.C6 fetal cell line cells with adenovirus. All PER.C6 cells used to manufacture the Johnson & Johnson vaccine are descended from tissue taken from a 1985 elective abortion that also took place in the Netherlands.?They use this cell line because it is a well-studied industry standard for safe and reliable production of viral vector vaccines.

None of the COVID-19 vaccines in development use fetal cells taken from recent abortions.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 05:42 PM

I've just read carefully the Vatican statement you posted. Within the context of the Church's anti-abortion position, I think the judgement is measured and wise.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 05:36 PM

He did, and I hope that does enough. I can well understand people with views on abortion different to mine having a bigger tussle with their conscience than I have. I just hope that there's not going to be conflation with the issues that vaccine-doubters with other reasons harbour.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 05:24 PM

The Pope says the vaccine is kosher. Well, maybe my terminology is a little off, but the vaccine is ok.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 05:14 PM

It is highly possible but not certain that the embryonic kidney cells came from an electively-aborted foetus. It's worth pointing out, though it won't mollify everyone, that the cell line from that culture is immortal and that the process by which those cells were originally obtained will never have to be repeated. There is no recipe for future abortions. I suppose it's possible to argue, as I will, that, whatever your stance on abortion, the abortion did happen, it didn't happen specifically to get those cells, and that, by using the descendants of those cells to produce a vaccine, at least some good came out of bad. I can respect the unhappiness that many people will feel about this, but the vaccine is now out there and is going to save countless thousands of lives. As I said, good coming out of bad. I can live with myself on that, and it has nothing to do with what I think about abortion in general.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Jos
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 04:22 PM

Regarding the stem cells, this is from my post on 22 January after I had the Oxford vaccine:

'On leaving, I was given a small card with my name on it, the date, and the vaccine type and batch number, and a sheet of paper to read, which includes near the top:

"Read all of this leaflet carefully before the vaccine is given because it contains important information for you."

There is a list of possible side effects, but the bit of information that does worry me is that the vaccine is:

"Produced in genetically modified human embryonic kidney (HEK) 293 cells."'

I investigated this on line and discovered that the HEK cells originated from an abortion in the Netherlands in the 1970s.

It is likely that the J&J vaccine also uses those cells. But perhaps the Catholics who were "told the J&J vaccine is immoral" [who by?] have checked the facts themselves and made up their own minds about the morality of the vaccine, rather than waiting to be told by the Pope. The Pope has decreed that use of these cells is acceptable in the absence of an alternative.

I looked for a vaccine that doesn't use them but all I found was one that is undergoing tests, which uses African Green Monkey cells - which strikes me as more immoral as there must be far fewer African green monkeys than there are people..


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 02:57 PM

Do tell us more about those stem cells.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 02:39 PM

Have you heard Catholics in some places are being told the J&J vaccine is immoral, even tho the pope said it's ok? Stem cells are involved.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Rain Dog
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 01:57 PM

Had a letter yesterday from the NHS about booking the vaccination. Went online this afternoon and booked in for first jab this Friday. Have to travel to Folkestone for it so will be getting the bus.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 01:44 PM

"Why is Covid Killing People of Colour?" (BBC documentary, 21:00 2/3/2021) As with rickets, EVOLUTION - darker skin DOES require more sunlight for enough vitamin D to be healthy & the UK is too far north of the equator for many BAME; my WalkaboutsVerse poem on "Repatriating"


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 07:35 AM

Husband just told me that they're starting vaccinations in Abidjan (Ivory Coast) Using the Astra-Zeneca one. However, he was shocked to hear from his sister that nobody is wearing a mask, keeping a distance or even acknowledging that the virus is about! One of his nieces is organising a Muslim baptism in a few days' time for her little son, and over a hundred people will be there, including most of the local mosque congregation.
He's so worried, and I don't blame him. I heard him on his mobile phone bellowing at his family for even considering attending.
There must be cases in Abidjan if they're starting vaccination.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 09:37 PM

It turns out that Trump was secretly vaccinated January of this year.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 04:27 PM

And they won't be my friends either.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 03:27 PM

"If you were correct, there would be no need to wear masks or social distance."

If who was correct about what?

You can't force anyone to stand still while someone stabs a needle into you. But, I must admit, I haven't got any time for refusers. There may come a time when shops and airlines ask you to prove that you've been done, but I doubt it. In the not-too-distant future, numbers will be very low, all being well, and the perceived need for that will have receded (though international travel may take longer). New variants, plus the refusers, will probably ensure that we'll have to live with the virus but just stay vigilant. All those people who have taken the vaccine will have done their bit. Dunno what twisted nonsense the anti-vaxxers will be coming out with then. They won't be my friends, that's for sure.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Jos
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 03:16 PM

Perhaps it should be either a certificate saying the person has been vaccinated, OR a certificate saying they have antibodies to the virus (through having had the virus itself).


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 02:50 PM

Mine was the Asda Vinegar one.
I don't think one can compel people to be vaccinated, but I think what will happen is that airline travel, entry into public places such as shops, hotels etc and using public transport will be limited to The Vaccinated, proven by special vaccination 'passports'.
There's talk at the moment about introducing some form of verification for people to show.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 01:58 PM

As to vaccines "stopping the spread", check this.

Stopping the spread means the person hadn't already been infected when they were vaccinate. It means they weren't among the very small number of people who were infected despite being vaccinated, which is a higher number if one received the J&J shot. If you were correct, there would be no need to wear masks or social distance.

A vaccine can HELP stop the spread, but doesn't guarantee anything.

And an anti-vaxxer is an anti-vaxxer. They all have some non-scientific, fearful (or downright paranoid) reasons. Unfortunately, I've had a great deal of training in pathogens and immunity, including supervising an immunization clinic at a US Air Force base hospital. Thinking that a few years will show some weird, unpredictable side effects is nuts, IMO. You're entitled to believe what you want. I'm sure there are still people who believe the MMR causes autism. Fundamentally, for me, it's not worth an argument which would be based on facts.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 01:09 PM

I'm not sure if ours were the Vauxhall Astra or the Michelle Pfeiffer ones.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 12:37 PM

Har har! You've gotta get up early, Dave!

I had mine yesterday, the Pfizer, didn't feel a thing and, so far, have had no after-effects whatsoever. Mrs Steve had hers three weeks ago, Astra-Zeneca, ditto.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 12:26 PM

Damn you Shaw! :-D


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 12:26 PM

300!

We had ours 3 weeks ago to make this more relevent


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 12:25 PM

That's a downside all right. But it's important that new data is interpreted, as carefully as possible, to the public, as it rolls out. It's equally important that we remain vigilant about misinformation being disseminated. The best way to counter it is with accurate and clear statements about the way things really are.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 12:18 PM

There are many things that weren't tested for because it took too long; there will be results as the vaccines are distributed and recipients respond to CDC queries. I joined a study by phone and over the next six weeks have answered questions about symptoms following the inoculations. Those may be less scientific because not everyone joins, but any information helps.

Scientists working on treating COVID-19 eventually hope to be able to say that the vaccines not only stop recipients from catching COVID-19, but vaccinated people won't catch or spread it. Like polio or smallpox. But the claims must await the test of time. In the meantime, their qualified remarks give the anti-vaxxers a target to shoot at, as willfully-uninformed as they are about the whole thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 11:58 AM

Mrrzy: "The vaccines do not, therefore, prevent you spreading the virus."

Jeri: "Mrrzy's right. The vaccines haven't been tested for ability to stop the spread."

Mrrzy is NOT right. He said that the vaccines don't stop the spread. As you rightly say, the vaccines haven't been tested for that. "Not tested for it" does NOT mean the same thing as "they don't do it."

I hate to keep saying it, but spreading negative misinformation about vaccines plays straight into the hands of anti-vaxxers. Let's try to not do that in this thread at least.

Your link says "Experts continue to conduct more studies about the effect of COVID-19 vaccination on severity of illness from COVID-19, as well as its ability to keep people from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19.

When the vaccines were developed, the priority was to establish their efficacy and their safety. The urgency of getting the vaccines out precluded at that stage testing for the ability to prevent spread. That matters, but not as urgently as efficacy and safety. The data will continue to roll in. That's how it is.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 10:58 AM

From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Feb 21 - 05:49 PM
. . .

I am not getting vaccinated if I can help it, not for any of the silly reasons above, but for my own, silly to some, reasons. First, I have no comorbidities, second, I am still (for another 12 days) in my fifties, so for both of those reasons I am content to wait my actual turn, which I hope won't be for years.

And that is because of reason 3, which is untested technologies. I would like to see the vaccine tested for at least 3 and preferably 5 years, as all vaccines should be. In 3-5 years, we should know more about mRNA vaccines with nanoparticles, and about coronovirus variants.


I assume that you mean that you are happy to see it tested on other people before you accept the security it gives based on others taking any (miniscule) risk.
If everyone took that attitude the drugs would never be tested and we would still see people dying in much greater numbers than they currently are as we would never see the emergence of a tested vaccine. And there would be many, many more carriers who could possibly infect you (and others).


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 10:46 AM

From the CDC website:
COVID-19 vaccination will help keep you from getting COVID-19

All COVID-19 vaccines currently available in the United States have been shown to be highly effective at preventing COVID-19. Learn more about the different COVID-19 vaccines.
All COVID-19 vaccines that are in development are being carefully evaluated in clinical trials and will be authorized or approved only if they make it substantially less likely youíll get COVID-19. Learn more about how federal partners are ensuring COVID-19 vaccines work.
Based on what we know about vaccines for other diseases and early data from clinical trials, experts believe that getting a COVID-19 vaccine may also help keep you from getting seriously ill even if you do get COVID-19.
Getting vaccinated yourself may also protect people around you, particularly people at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19.
Experts continue to conduct more studies about the effect of COVID-19 vaccination on severity of illness from COVID-19, as well as its ability to keep people from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19.

COVID-19 vaccination is a safer way to help build protection

COVID-19 can have serious, life-threatening complications, and there is no way to know how COVID-19 will affect you. And if you get sick, you could spread the disease to friends, family, and others around you.
Clinical trials of all vaccines must first show they are safe and effective before any vaccine can be authorized or approved for use, including COVID-19 vaccines. The known and potential benefits of a COVID-19 vaccine must outweigh the known and potential risks of the vaccine for use under what is known as an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). Watch a video on what an EUA is.
Getting COVID-19 may offer some natural protection, known as immunity. Current evidence suggests that reinfection with the virus that causes COVID-19 is uncommon in the 90 days after initial infection. However, experts donít know for sure how long this protection lasts, and the risk of severe illness and death from COVID-19 far outweighs any benefits of natural immunity. COVID-19 vaccination will help protect you by creating an antibody (immune system) response without having to experience sickness.
Both natural immunity and immunity produced by a vaccine are important parts of COVID-19 disease that experts are trying to learn more about, and CDC will keep the public informed as new evidence becomes available.

COVID-19 vaccination will be an important tool to help stop the pandemic

Wearing masks and social distancing help reduce your chance of being exposed to the virus or spreading it to others, but these measures are not enough. Vaccines will work with your immune system so it will be ready to fight the virus if you are exposed.
The combination of getting vaccinated and following CDCís recommendations to protect yourself and others will offer the best protection from COVID-19.
Stopping a pandemic requires using all the tools we have available. As experts learn more about how COVID-19 vaccination may help reduce spread of the disease in communities, CDC will continue to update the recommendations to protect communities using the latest science.

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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 09:49 AM

Oh, and they ARE supposed to induce immunity in the person vaccinated, so prevent you from getting it.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 09:44 AM

Mrrzy's right. The vaccines haven't been tested for ability to stop the spread. I probably don't have up-to-date information, but I know the most recent J&J one wasn't.

They still advise wearing masks, washing hands, and social distancing, even if you've had the vaccine.

BUT if you can reduce the severity of this virus to that of a bad cold, and know you won't die from it, it's worth getting the shot.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 09:06 AM

The CDC has made it very clear that the vaccine was not tested for ability to prevent catching or spreading the virus, but only for prevention of illness if you do catch it.

It is much more responsible to assume that it doesn't prevent catching or spreading, than that it does.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: BobL
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 03:17 AM

Think of it this way: the vaccine isn't a magic bullet, it's another weapon in the armoury.

BTW if it were technically possible to implant a microchip with the vaccine, it would save a lot of bothering with vax passports.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Feb 21 - 10:10 PM

Mrrzy:

If you think about your last post, it makes you come off as an anti-vaxxer. After participating in a thread where you earlier mentioned turning down a jab because you didn't think "it was your turn", you now give non-scientific reasons for why you don't want it.

The vaccines have been tested. Numbers of the sick are coming down where the vaccines are being put into living bodies.

All new vaccines are, by definition, new. Think of how many lives would have been saved had a 'new' flue vaccine been available in 1918-1919 (The technology didn't exist at the time).

I know you are a very intelligent, expressive poster. All I ask is that you think in the very terms those folks you ae working with do.

Remember the story of the guy in the flood who turned down a pickup truck to get him out of his house, as the water rose, a boat came by. As he was clinging to the roof of his house, a helicopter offered him a line...each time he said "No, save someone else, the Lord will look after me!"

He drowned.

As he stood before the Lord, he said: "I don't understand why you didn't save me!"

"I SENT YOU A PICKUP, A BOAT, AND A HELICOPTER!"

You are being sent a vaccine.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 21 - 06:56 PM

Incidentally, this is blatant misinformation and you really shouldn't be propagating it:

"The vaccines do not, therefore, prevent you spreading the virus."

This is not known. Maybe yes, maybe no, maybe to a larger or lesser extent. The science is not there. So please refrain from nonsense such as this. It is completely irresponsible.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 21 - 06:47 PM

No, but you are going big and loud about any negative you can rustle up. From what you have posted here there is not a single reason on earth why you shouldn't have the jab. Your choice, of course, as it always should be. But if there were tens of millions of refusers like you, a lot more people would die. Carry on relying on the fact that there aren't too many of you. So go figure, huh.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Feb 21 - 05:49 PM

Oh, Steve Shaw, you crack me up. Considering all the based-on-your-opinion advice you dish out to others!

I am not getting vaccinated if I can help it, not for any of the silly reasons above, but for my own, silly to some, reasons. First, I have no comorbidities, second, I am still (for another 12 days) in my fifties, so for both of those reasons I am content to wait my actual turn, which I hope won't be for years.

And that is because of reason 3, which is untested technologies. I would like to see the vaccine tested for at least 3 and preferably 5 years, as all vaccines should be. In 3-5 years, we should know more about mRNA vaccines with nanoparticles, and about coronovirus variants.

But I am *not* recommending anybody *else* either have the jab OR not have the jab. Rely on your own intelligence, make your own decision. Jab or no jab, the data are fairly clear, by now, on masks and distance and clean hands minimizing viral spread.

The vaccines do not, apparently, prevent your catching the virus. The vaccines do not, therefore, prevent you spreading the virus. The vaccines are, apparently, really good at preventing you from getting seriously ill if you do catch the virus.

So do keep on with the masks and the distance and the clean hands.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 21 - 02:49 PM

On an even brighter note, Mrs Steve was winding me up on the drive home from the vaccination centre. Looking in the mirror, she exclaimed "Hey, there's a car behind us with a tracking device on the roof...Oh my God, it's Bill Gates!!"


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 21 - 02:34 PM

On a brighter note, I got Pfizer-jabbed this affy. Didn't feel a thing!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 21 - 02:30 PM

That's as maybe, but I've had two serious attacks of this and amoxicillin has been ineffective and withdrawn from my treatment. What I don't need is a non-doctor making 'helpful" medicine suggestions when I'm hurting, thanks. That's something that too many people are a bit too willing to indulge in on internet forums.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 28 Feb 21 - 01:37 PM

Sorry to hear about your cellulitis, Steve and hope it is responding well to treatment.
Not quite sure why you shouted at Donuel for his last post, though, as Augmentin IS an antibiotic (anti-bacterial) - known as co-amoxyclav over here - amoxycillin + clavulanic acid - and IS commonly used for treating cellulitis. However the drug(s) of choice will be those that are shown by to be most appropriate, by swab and sensitivity testing, for whichever bacterium is causing your particular attack of cellulitis. Signed Tattie Bogle, M.B., B.S. and a whole load more letters.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 21 - 06:26 AM

We have anti-vaxxers round here who think that coronavirus doesn't exist and that the vaccine is a ploy to get microchips into us all. Then there are those who don't share those views but who won't have the vaccine because they've taken on board bullshit about how vaccines are unsafe, give us the actual disease, no-one's pumping viruses into me, etc. Unfortunately, gullibility appears to be bred into the human race (or is it that we don't put enough emphasis in schools on critical thinking and being automatically sceptical when off-beam ideas come along...?) As for people who refuse to take the vaccine, they'll be fine as long as enough of the rest of us do the right thing. They won't have helped and, in fact, may be prolonging the period until we get herd immunity. So no thanks to them. We'll do it for them. Bonzo won't like the analogy, but it's reminiscent of those people who wouldn't join a trade union "on principle," but who weren't "principled" enough to refuse the pay rises that the unions won.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 Feb 21 - 04:50 AM

Anti-vaxxers are very selfish.


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