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The Sandman 10 Nov 20 - 03:23 AM
The Sandman 10 Nov 20 - 03:24 AM
Black belt caterpillar wrestler 10 Nov 20 - 04:00 AM
GUEST,Nick Dow 10 Nov 20 - 04:52 AM
Nigel Parsons 10 Nov 20 - 05:33 AM
GUEST,Phil d'Conch 10 Nov 20 - 06:01 AM
Raggytash 10 Nov 20 - 06:29 AM
Nigel Parsons 10 Nov 20 - 08:10 AM
The Sandman 10 Nov 20 - 08:26 AM
Senoufou 10 Nov 20 - 08:39 AM
r.padgett 10 Nov 20 - 09:13 AM
Raggytash 10 Nov 20 - 09:24 AM
Nigel Parsons 10 Nov 20 - 10:06 AM
meself 10 Nov 20 - 10:10 AM
Raggytash 10 Nov 20 - 10:19 AM
The Sandman 10 Nov 20 - 10:32 AM
punkfolkrocker 10 Nov 20 - 10:38 AM
Mrrzy 10 Nov 20 - 11:54 AM
Senoufou 10 Nov 20 - 12:05 PM
The Sandman 10 Nov 20 - 12:38 PM
punkfolkrocker 10 Nov 20 - 12:52 PM
Steve Shaw 10 Nov 20 - 01:26 PM
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Dave the Gnome 11 Nov 20 - 04:21 AM
The Sandman 11 Nov 20 - 04:43 AM
Nigel Parsons 11 Nov 20 - 05:14 AM
Raggytash 11 Nov 20 - 06:01 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Nov 20 - 06:05 AM
The Sandman 11 Nov 20 - 06:46 AM
DMcG 11 Nov 20 - 07:06 AM
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Steve Shaw 11 Nov 20 - 07:28 AM
punkfolkrocker 11 Nov 20 - 08:09 AM
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Jeri 11 Nov 20 - 10:40 AM
Senoufou 11 Nov 20 - 10:45 AM
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The Sandman 11 Nov 20 - 12:34 PM
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Subject: SCHOOLMASTER QUOTES
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 03:23 AM

The average schoolmaster is and always must be essentially an ass, for how can one imagine an intelligent man engaging in so puerile an avocation.H. L. Mencken
Society is like a schoolmaster who estimates boys according to their conformity to a standard that is easiest for running a school.
Henry Sidgwick


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Subject: RE: SCHOOLMASTER QUOTES
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 03:24 AM

Sorry this should be below the line, could a mudelf oblige


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Subject: RE: SCHOOLMASTER QUOTES
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 04:00 AM

Those who can - do.
Those who can't - teach.
Those who can't teach - become school inspectors.

Robin


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Subject: RE: SCHOOLMASTER QUOTES
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 04:52 AM

I hear the echoes of a child that did not fit into a ready made 'academic' or 'career' box! Takes one to know one.


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Subject: RE: SCHOOLMASTER QUOTES
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 05:33 AM

"Doh! You silly little boy! ... I - I - I - Corwumph!"


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Subject: RE: SCHOOLMASTER QUOTES
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 06:01 AM

If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?


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Subject: RE: SCHOOLMASTER QUOTES
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 06:29 AM

If you can read this thank a teacher.

This smacks of someone who "went to the university of life"


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Subject: RE: SCHOOLMASTER QUOTES
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 08:10 AM

If you can read this thank a teacher.

But the 'teacher' need not be employed as a teacher. The teacher could just be one of your parents.


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Subject: RE: SCHOOLMASTER QUOTES
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 08:26 AM

Exactly, Nigel.
I could read before I went to school.
We had to suffer teachers that threw chalk, blackboard rubbers, and at my Grammar School a teacher who used to go off on racist rants about wily oriental gentlemen, another teacher who fell asleep during lessons,ETC
Another one who refused to explain Algebra, just saying your thick if you do not understand. yes werent they great?


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Subject: RE: SCHOOLMASTER QUOTES
From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 08:39 AM

Excuse me,I've been a schoolteacher all my working life. I AM NOT AN ASS thank you very much. And the teachers I had as a pupil were all excellent. I was very fond of them all, 'Infant', 'Junior' and 'Grammar'.
Stop Teacher Bashing please.


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Subject: RE: SCHOOLMASTER QUOTES
From: r.padgett
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 09:13 AM

Mr Pilkington ~ physics had quotations:

"Yea gods and little fishes"

"Blood and sweat"

Ray


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 09:24 AM

"But the 'teacher' need not be employed as a teacher. The teacher could just be one of your parents."

Yes Nigel they could (in fact my Mother was a teacher) but who teaches the parent.



I somehow expected more from you Nigel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 10:06 AM

"But the 'teacher' need not be employed as a teacher. The teacher could just be one of your parents."
Yes Nigel they could (in fact my Mother was a teacher) but who teaches the parent.
I somehow expected more from you Nigel.


Nice try. I didn't expect more from you.
If anything can only be taught by a teacher, or (as you say) by someone who was taught by a teacher, then ultimately no-one will ever have been taught anything, as there must be someone back at the beginning who learnt for themselves. If that is the case, there can still be those who learn for themselves.
Teachers, as a profession, help to standardise what is being learnt, with all the possibilities that includes for indoctrination, or continuance of error.

Some teachers are excellent, and I have been fortunate in being taught by some. But they are not all of the same quality.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: meself
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 10:10 AM

So ... what is the point of this thread? We can all remember teachers who were less than stellar and we can all remember times when our parents were unfair, so ... ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 10:19 AM

There have been schools in England since at least 597AD. Before that schools existed in ancient Rome which were based on schools in ancient Greece which were the basis of schools in England.

Just how far do you want to go back to find who initially learnt for themselves.

I am sure there are people who are quite capable of self education but in order to do that they have to have the basics of "the 3 R's" which they probably learnt from a teacher.

I would suggest you are being disingenuous.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 10:32 AM

Everybody who is incapable of learning has taken to teaching.
Oscar Wilde


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 10:38 AM

Dick - I'll give this latest self indulgent thread of yours
the same comment I got from my favourite English teacher,
when I submitted a deliberately provocative homework composition..

"Frivolous Drivel...!!!"


That teacher was my role model for withering sarcasm..


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 11:54 AM

Seeking the quotes if thread name?


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 12:05 PM

I too could read and write well by the age of about four. I seemed to have more or less taught myself. My mother took me to meet the Headmistress of the 'Infant' school, which normally accepted pupils from the age of five. She heard me read, saw me write, and I did some 'sums'(bit of a performing poodle, but I loved it!)
I was allowed to start school with others a year older.
My wonderful teachers always found material suitable for my ability,and 'stretched' me. After a few weeks, I was moved up to join a class two years older than me.
I'm relating this to show how wonderful all my teachers were in accommodating my weird abilities.
Junior school was also excellent.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is discipline. All teachers in those days were strict and had firm control of a class. Most important.
Some of my colleagues when I became a teacher found class-control difficult/impossible. This is a major fault in a teacher.
From various comedies on TV I remember:-
"It's your time you're wasting."
"You absolute CLOT!"
"I have eyes in the back of my head." (when writing on the blackboard)
"It looks as if a fly fell in the inkwell and walked across your exercise book."


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 12:38 PM

i remember a friend of mine who was left handed , this was before the days of fountain pens, the imk wells were on the right hand side of the desk and the pupil had to dip the nib into the hole and draw it out
well if you are left handed [or as the dictionary describes them sinister] it then becomes impossible to do clean tidy writing, because the ink spills across the page .
the stupid schoolmaster and stupid headmaster would not let the child use a fountain pen or biro.. an example of the prevalent sticking to rules, of schollmasters of my acquaintance , regardless of how it interfered with a left handed childs abilty to do tidy work.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 12:52 PM

Dick - what's prompted your nostalgic regression to the schoolboy dark ages
of Jimmy Edwards "Whack-O!"...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 01:26 PM

I was a Year 7 form teacher in my probationary year. We called it "the first year" in those days. I had to collect individual teachers' subject reports and copy them on to a sort of master report. The woodwork teacher, a very arrogant and unpleasant man whose wife was the equally unpleasant school secretary (I used to amuse myself by imagining what they were like when having sex), had written for one little lad's report "This boy knows nothing about anything." That was it, the whole thing. I sent it back to him asking him to rewrite it, pointing out that he was really only able to comment about the lad's woodwork lesson exploits. He was furious and went straight to the headmaster, who ruled in my favour, amazing considering that said headmaster lived in mortal fear of the dragon-like school secretary.... :-)

The two best excuse notes I got from parents that year were a long sob-story written on two sides of paper explaining that her son hadn't done his homework because his pet dog has accidentally hung itself on the railings, and the other which informed me that Paul couldn't come to school yesterday with his stomach...


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 01:41 PM

Oh those 'excuses' Steve! Hee hee.
I often had a note handed to me saying "She can't come to school today because she's under the doctor"
The worst one was when I'd just arrived to teach in a rather poor district of Glasgow from 'posh' Edinburgh. A rather dishevelled lady came to my door and said,"Miss (pronounced 'muss') see ma sunn, he's no coming tae skewl the day, he's peely-wally and aye lyin'on the flair greetin'"
I blinked and smiled weakly. Not the least idea what she meant!


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 04:21 AM

Anyone who teaches anything to anyone is by definition a teacher, Nigel. I would have thought you were pedantic enough to notice that one.

As to the puerile quotes about schoolmasters, they are at best, like any other stereotyping, lazy attempts at humour. At worse they demonise a profession that is difficult and, at times as this thread shows, thankless.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 04:43 AM

Dave, to point out as I have done examples of bad teaching is not stereo typing, to describe the quote of Oscar Wilde as puerile is merely a matter of opinion, perhaps we can continue to discuss good and bad schoolmasters, sensibly
Dave the subject is schoolmasters , that is people that teach IN SCHOOLS, it was schoolmaster quotes not teachers ,pay attantion in class or you might be sent to the dunces corner, which was a frequent occurence for some schoolchildren who were educated in schools by schoolmasters. THAT WAS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF BAD TEACHING CHILDREN IN SCHOOL BEING SENT TO THE DUNCES CORNER AND HAVING TO WEAR A HAT WITH D ON IT , I SAW THAT HAPPEN IN MY SCHOOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 05:14 AM

Anyone who teaches anything to anyone is by definition a teacher, Nigel. I would have thought you were pedantic enough to notice that one.
I had already made that point: But the 'teacher' need not be employed as a teacher. The teacher could just be one of your parents.
I was responding to the slogan If you can read this thank a teacher. which is a self-promotion slogan used by the teaching profession.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 06:01 AM

I question whether "if you can read this thank a teacher" is a self-promotion slogan.

I would suggest that for most people (not all people **) it is merely a fact.



** For the benefit of the pedants amongst us.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 06:05 AM

I heard of a school just down the road from mine in Walthamstow which had a teacher who took the "dunce's corner" concept a step further. He had a dustbin in the corner, and, if you were naughty, you'd be made to stand in it. His reasoning to the class was that bad behaviour was rubbish, and, well, what do we do with our rubbish...?

I must say, I did manage at times to defuse a situation in which a pupil was giving me lip by roaring in his face "How DARE you open your mouth when you're speaking to me, boy!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 06:46 AM

well, an increasing number of people are turning to home education, that is a fact#.
# please note pedants and ex schoolmasters. i am stating a fact not uneqivocal approval, there are advantages and disadvanteages to both systems,
I had the interesting experience of meeting and being interviewed by AS NEILL Summerhill school. But that is another story


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 07:06 AM

Several of my teachers had catchphrases that they seemed to enjoy saying for the fun of it. Neither saying really represents how well they could teach.

"You lie like a cheap Japanese wristwatch."

- I think the quality of Japanese product has rather improved since then!

A teacher always seemed to 0


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 07:16 AM

Peter Kay is a scream with his stories about his schooldays (educated by nuns apparently) You can find lots of his hilarious stand-ups about it on Youtube. His teachers sounded as daft as a brush to me!


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 07:28 AM

I have a selection of pens and a stash of post-it notes bearing the "thank a teacher" slogan. Bearing in mind how the teaching profession has been serially reviled by the right-wing press and by various governments, and how it has endured an ignorant and judgemental inspectorate for over three decades, and how it's been shatupon from on high by dint of crushing and pointless bureaucracy, spending cuts, crumbling schools, ever bigger classes and pay freezes, that modest little slogan, in m'humble, is no more than a tiny and bitterness-free riposte to all that. I've personally endured many a humdrum teacher in my time, but, thanks to a handful of inspired and inspiring ones, I've never lost my sense of curiosity and my enthusiasm for learning. I bow in awe before thee, Mr Unsworth, Dr Kery* Dalby and Dr Kenny Alvin!

*He was always Kery, though his full first name was Dunkery, as he was born within sight of Dunkery Beacon on Exmoor, a place I know well. My lovely father-in-law is scattered on top!


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 08:09 AM

My wife has dedicated more than three decades of her working life
to giving infants from deprived backgrounds
the best enabling early learning foundation
to improves their future learning potential..

This is despite the disadvantages of their social environment,
extent of addictions, mental illness, and criminality within families,
and too frequent low aspirational poor parental skills.

Teachers like my wife are of far more value to our society
than any number of disgruntled opinionated self-important folk singers...!!!

.. and now she is being forced by the tory govt
to risk her and my life
working on the frontline in school without adequate PPE
throughout the pandemic,
while all the teacher hating malcontents
sit on their arses infesting social media with their poisonous opinions...


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 10:04 AM

"A teacher always seemed to 0"

Not sure what happened there. It was supposed to say

A teacher who was very often ill would frequently announce his entrance by saying "I wish you had my cold!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 10:22 AM

are there any teacher hating malcontents on this forum,
i mentioned some Bad Schoolmasters , all things i mentioned are based on my experience[ FROM THE PAST].
I also know and knew some dedicated and good teachers, SOME OF WHOM GA VE UP TEACHING IN SCHOOLS BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE NATIONAL CURRICULUM.
PFR teachers are not the only people who are risking their lives in the pandemic, do not forget nurses and healthcare workers, Police, ambulance drivers


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 10:31 AM

Dick - give it a rest.

You provided no context or reason whatsoever for starting this pointlessly self indulgent thread.

F@ck knows what was GOING ON inside your head.???


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 10:40 AM

I wish some teachers had been better at teaching English. You know: sentence structure, capitalization, and stuff like that.

Is this thread not the most stupid attempt at a troll we've seen for a while? You're looking for a fight where there is none.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 10:45 AM

I agree Jeri,a rather silly attempt at Teacher Bashing. Let's ignore it shall we, and stop posting? Trolls don't like that!


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 11:11 AM

Dick. It was not me who started using the term teacher but you were happy to continue doing so by quoting the lazy stereotyping used by Oscar Wilde, "Everybody who is incapable of learning has taken to teaching."

See, I was paying attention. Were you? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 12:33 PM

I always thought the use of capital letters (where not required) was the equivalent of shouting when using net forums.

Is this so?


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 12:34 PM

If you are teaching North American English it is capitalization, if you are teaching Britsh English it is capitalisation.
Capitalization (North American English) or capitalisation (British English).


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 12:46 PM

Period and comma: In British English, the period and comma are placed outside quotation marks. However, if the punctuation mark is a part of the quote itself, then the quotation mark is placed after the period or comma. In American English, the period and comma are always placed inside quotation marks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 12:47 PM

You can use either s or z in such words to your heart's content in the UK. America is a little more picky. Bottom line, a Brit's use of the z is unobjectionable. The fact is that the use of z predates any use of s in such words in British English by a couple of hundred years. I trust that I've gotten my point across... :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 01:00 PM

We don't have periods this end. We have full stops. Any rules about where they go apropos of speech marks are applied very inconsistently all over the place. To me, that means that the rules don't matter much. It's what people do that matters more. You get the same argument about things such as "irregardless" and "begging the question." What starts as misuse morphs into standard English so you might as well not quibble. Just don't come around here with your bloody "prior to" or "albeit," that's all. Grr...


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 01:41 PM

Senoufou, lying on the floor green?

In the US there is a stress on peers over education. Smart kids aren't allowed to skip grades, in case in high school they won't get their learner's permit when their friends do. Sigh. No wonder we are where we are.

And this isn't new. Back in the early 60's mom was told to get a tv so my sister would have something to talk about with her peer group. One of the main reasons we moved overseas and went to French schools...


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 01:41 PM

No, groaning. Not green. New guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 01:49 PM

Mrrzy, 'greeting' means 'crying' or 'weeping' up in Scotland.
Full translation: "Miss, about my son: He won't be coming to school today, he's not feeling well. He's always lying on the floor crying."
I was as puzzled as you during my first few weeks of teaching in Glasgow, but soon I started to speak 'Broad Glasgae' myself and had quite a strong accent.
When I eventually took up a post down in Norfolk, everyone found my accent hilarious. I soon learned to speak 'Broad Norfolk' (and still do a lot of the time!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Jos
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 02:49 PM

As for Steve's 'your bloody "prior to" or "albeit,"' (with the comma deliberately placed inside the inverted commas?), I quite like 'albeit' and I don't mind 'prior to'.
What I HATE is 'post' used instead of 'after'. I am quite happy with 'postwar', 'postprandial' (it means 'after dinner') and 'post-pandemic' but NOT 'post the pandemic'.

(and yes, I WAS shouting)


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 02:56 PM

I think we understand using capitals for one word in order to emphasis that particular word.

I believe that to be an acceptable nuance.

What I believe to be unacceptable is the use of capital letters to name a thread or the use of capitals to construct a whole sentence.

I, in my ignorance at the time, was corrected about this some years ago.

I am open to correction if this is not the case.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 03:53 PM

Well, Jos, my favourite pretentious Latinism is "post hoc ergo propter hoc," which refers to that well-known logical fallacy that says that something that happened after an event must have happened because of that event.

"Prior to" can ALWAYS be replaced with good old "before." "Albeit" (which almost died out, deservedly, over a hundred years ago but which has undergone a puzzling renaissance in recent years) can ALWAYS be replaced with good old "though" or "although." See, you've got ME shouting now...


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 06:45 PM

Sam Cocks - master at QE Boys Barnet - "put your hand down boy and stop trying to tell me something I already know"!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 02:43 AM

F@ck knows what was GOING ON inside your head.??? quote punk folk rocker.
Song of the Swifts.
Flying high but never landing
Flighted shaft of love entrancing
Through the clouds so lightly dancing
do si do and then farewell
do si do and then farewell
I watched you gliding higher
Calling follow me for ever
Touching souls we soar together
Chorus
Flying for the sun were seeking
Cross the waves so swiftly fleeting
Never grounding loves fond feelings
chorus.
From the cliff face now the leaving
chasing sunbeams all the evening
joined in love our fusion weaving
Chorus
Flying high you started soaring
to the ground i kept on falling
Helpless till she heard the calling
chorus
High unto the cliff face leaving
Quivering heart so sadly weeping
Gentle hands that kindly freed me
chorus
copyright. Dick Miles 2020
Today as we are close to Remembrance sunday 11 OF NOVEMBER Remembrance day, I have been thinking and singing this song by Dominic Williams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ5xZQVkhak that is what goes on in my fecking head


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 03:43 AM

I spent my elementary school years in the American west, in Oregon. So yes, Mrrzy, 'smart' kids did skip a grade or two.

I must say I'm glad I didn't go to school in the UK. It sounds dreadful. I loved school. I loved books and 'traveling' to other lands. I remember how amazed - and kind of disappointed - I was to learn that schoolteachers got paid- I thought they taught for the love of it.

I am now close to the end of my life and my all-time favorite job in my life was tutoring, both in Basic English and in ESL Which I still do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 03:58 AM

I must say I'm glad I didn't go to school in the UK. It sounds dreadful.

What gives you that impression Ebbie? If I go off what I see on TV and film I get the impression that US schools are nothing but elitist groups, peer pressure and bullies. I am sure nothing is further from the truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 04:06 AM

I must say I'm glad I didn't go to school in the UK. It sounds dreadful. quote
yes in the fifties and sixties it was in many ways. blackboard rubbers, chalk, thrown at pupils, boys ears pulled, the cane and corporal punishment AND the dunces cap. and then in ireland there were the christian brothers, who were not very christian
If some of the exteachers take offence and cannot admit that there were bad teachers and teaching, tough.
I do remember a minority of good teachers who gave up their spare time to give art lessons on sat mornings, the best teachers i ever had were out of music teachers, who taught privately


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 04:19 AM

Two of my wonderful grammar school teachers went 'above and beyond the call of duty' for me.
Mr Hunt spent an hour after school several times a week to coach me for 'S' Level French (which thanks to him I achieved)
Miss Baillie-Reynolds stepped in when it was found I needed Latin'O' Level in order to be accepted to study French and Linguistics at Edinburgh University. She had only one year to get me through the exam, starting from scratch. (I'd never had a single Latin lesson! Ours was a 'Technical Grammar School') I did it, fortunately.
Having been a teacher myself, I know only too well the utter exhaustion these two must have felt after a day's teaching, yet instead of heading home after the bell, they nobly stayed behind to coach me.
I have never forgotten them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 04:21 AM

Those who can - do.
Those who can't - teach.

Those who can't teach, teach teachers
We elect the rest


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Jos
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 05:43 AM

'S' level should not be confused with the current 'AS' level. The 'S' level involved an additional exam requiring extra study as well as the normal 'A' level, and could lead to a State Scholarship (which, in effect, meant that your grant came from central government instead of from your local authority).


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 08:22 AM

I only heard wisdom from orchestra conductors.
" Music is not just about flow and swells. You have to play the silences lovingly. Make them golden moments of anticipation and catching your breath. The silence can make us want to gasp in surprise."

( said during rehersals of Adagio for strings by Samual Barber)


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 09:53 AM

"If some of the exteachers take offence and cannot admit that there were bad teachers and teaching, tough.
I do remember a minority of good teachers.. blah. blah. drone. drone...
"


As well as being a dogmatic egotist folk singer, Dick is also an exceptional contortionist..

He has mastered the amazing skill of talking complete bollocks out of his arse...!!!

He must have learnt that from his private lessons...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: meself
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 10:14 AM

Still wondering what the point of this thread is? Anybody?


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 10:33 AM

Meself - Dick's inflated sense of self importance.

Shame really, because his dafter personality traits & obsessions,
only serve to undermine his stature
as a quite politically astute well respected folk musician and singer...


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 11:08 AM

My private music lessons taught me how to play, The music i now perform.i certainly did not learn what i have learned in school
   what is the point of the thread
well perhaps people might like to discuss. how school education has or has not improved. teaching may have improved, but has the school curriculum, perhaps people should stop being defensive and put forwerd some positives. I ignore personal abuse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 11:28 AM

Dick - may I politely suggest you are now trying to rationalise the existence
of a completely pointless thread.

Why you opened it, and for what half baked purpose,
will still remain a mystery..

No matter how much you NOW try to make up a purpose
for what seemed an obvious ill judged gratuitous bash at the teaching profession...


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 11:30 AM

I thought you said that it was about schoolmaster's daft sayings and not teachers or teaching, Dick. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 12:30 PM

well there is nothing to stop you trying to improve it[ in your opinion]by taking my suggestion up instead of this scoring of points, the same goes for you Dave, scoring of points and insulting peopleis a waste of time and energy, if you dont like the thread give some personal examples of good modern teaching,


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 12:34 PM

if you want balance provide it , my experiences of schoolmasters was not good , well what prompted it ..a conversation i had with a friend in ireland about his education with the christian brothers, that got me thinking about all the bad schoolmasters i suffered of which i gave examples, satisfied. now please stop insulting me
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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: punkfolkrocker - PM
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 09:53 AM

"If some of the exteachers take offence and cannot admit that there were bad teachers and teaching, tough.
I do remember a minority of good teachers.. blah. blah. drone. drone..."


As well as being a dogmatic egotist folk singer, Dick is also an exceptional contortionist..

He has mastered the amazing skill of talking complete bollocks out of his arse...!!!

He must have learnt that from his private lessons...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 12:36 PM

Dick - please stop fannying about on this nonsense,
and maybe better use your time putting some of your good music videos together
for youtube...


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 12:39 PM

btw.. it would help if you STARTED your thread with a sensible into,
and not try to insert one cobbled together retrospectively
nearly 70 posts later...


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 01:03 PM

"Teachers have three loves: love of learning, love of learners, and the love of bringing the first two loves together."

Scott Hayden


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 01:05 PM

Dick - please stop your futile PMing me, it does not help you save face...


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 02:06 PM

Back to original concept:

I had a physics/chemistry teacher say, La science progresse d'erreur en erreur [science advances from mistake to mistake] and I distinctly remember him claiming to be quoting, or paraphrasing, someone, but I have never been able to locate the original.

So maybe he came up with it. Still one of the best descriptions of the scientific method I've heard. That would have been in 197...7? 8?

If any reader knows the original, I would love to know who said it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 02:21 PM

Appears to be Freidrich Hegel. See Here


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 06:07 PM

Children, Children, CHILDREN

Stop squabbling, and you will learn something........................


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Acorn4
Date: 13 Nov 20 - 05:12 AM

!Who perpetrated that outrage?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Nov 20 - 06:28 AM

One of my most formative experiences at school was when our form master kept the whole class in silent detention with our arms folded just staring ahead for an hour and a half because someone had stolen a doorknob and wouldn't own up. Neither had I stolen it nor did I have the faintest clue as to who had. Ever since then my antennae have been finely tuned for examples, large and small, of collective punishment, the sort of thing that states often mete out to their enemies or to minorities. So I suppose it did me good...


(He never did get the doorknob back, that b*ast*ard...)


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Nov 20 - 06:37 AM

My grammar school maths teacher murdered

He was a superb maths teacher.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Nov 20 - 09:10 AM

Ooh thanks Nigel Parons but it was Jean-Jacques Rousseau, from your marvy link:

La science progresse d’erreur en erreur et non de vérité en vérité.

Thank you thank you thank you.

Love this place.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Neil D
Date: 13 Nov 20 - 12:09 PM

This is only a Schoolmaster quote if you count a high school band director as one, but the "those who can't teach" references reminded me. My band director once said "if you can't play an instrument they give you two sticks and make you a drummer. If you can't even do that" he said holding up his baton "they take one away and make you the conductor."


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 13 Nov 20 - 01:53 PM

I was made the school orchestra's tympanist and percussionist on the grounds that as a piano student I would have a good sense of rhythm. could use both hands independently, and read both bass and treble clefs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Nov 20 - 09:14 PM

Nigel Parsons jooc how on earth did you unearth my teacher's quote? I looked, a lot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Nov 20 - 03:55 PM

my schoolmsters did not make school fun, however Montessori schools had a different approach here is a clip about.. Montessori
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000824j


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Nov 20 - 06:06 AM

I Think if teachers had smaller classes it might also help towards more successful teaching
here is a clip about an alternative school Summerhill, differnt educational approach again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B470LoeKTU4


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 15 Nov 20 - 07:28 AM

Mrrzy: Nigel Parsons jooc how on earth did you unearth my teacher's quote? I looked, a lot.
I just copy/pasted your French version into Google.
The Google results Here appeared to have the whole quotation in the fourth response listed. Little or no French required to find it (Just as well in my case!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Nov 20 - 04:32 PM

I googled the Expletive Deleted out of it. I did not get your results.

But hey, I had only been wondering since the 70's, and searching since they invented the Internet. I shoulda asked here first!

Love this place.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Nov 20 - 04:13 AM

Fears over Covid-19 have contributed to a dramatic increase in the number of parents homeschooling their children. ... The surge has led to a backlog of hundreds of applications waiting to be screened before being placed on the official home education register, a legal requirement for children not attending school.
There are differing opinions on the advantages and disadvantages of home schooling


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 17 Nov 20 - 04:21 PM

One of the biggest advantages of home schooling is that they are far less likely to be brainwashed by lefty teachers, and more likely to get a good grounding in British Empire history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Nov 20 - 04:46 PM

Bonzo do you have statistics to back this up,


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 17 Nov 20 - 04:56 PM

It seems that unionisation among teachers is falling.
This from 2018:
It follows the revelation in official government trade union statistics earlier this year that 48.1 per cent of the education workforce as a whole are now union members, down from 52.4 per cent in 2010. Despite this, however, education remains the sector with the highest proportion of union members.

From Here


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Nov 20 - 05:09 PM

I'll be a part of the Union 'til the day I die.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Nov 20 - 05:57 PM

"education remains the sector with the highest proportion of union members"

No wonder the tories are sneakily relying on covid
to kill as many teachers
as they can get away with this winter...


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Nov 20 - 06:57 PM

I was opposed to the amalgamation of the NUT and the ATL to form the massive NEU. Teachers have never been militant enough, and during my career I saw classes get bigger, bureaucracy burgeon, pay freezes imposed for years, ignorant Ofsted inspectors breathing repressively down teachers' necks, out-of-school time swallowed up by compulsory excessive preparation, meeting after pointless meeting and over-detailed marking regimes, not to speak of turning teachers into box-tickers and children into test-zombies so that schools could be shamed in league tables. In my heart of hearts I'm still that militant leftie London NUT attack-dog of the 70s :-) but now I sit here, long-retired as a sleeping (in more ways then one) retired member...but still a member....


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: BobL
Date: 18 Nov 20 - 04:10 AM

far less likely to be brainwashed by lefty teachers
Brainwashed by lefty (or righty) parents instead...


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Nov 20 - 04:21 AM

.. or 'brainunstimulated' by barely literate druggie hopeless parents...


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 20 - 04:37 AM

Children are social beasts and they need to be with other children a lot as they grow up. That includes in both play and in classrooms. The lockdowns have highlighted the severe social deprivation that many thousands of children have been through via the long separations from their friends at school and outside. We may well be sitting on a mental ill-health time bomb in consequence. On top of that, and whilst I've never been an advocate of stuffing the curriculum with content, it's hard to see how the vast majority of parents could even remotely be able to provide the structure, balance, resources and motivation that schools provide. It's even harder to envisage the kind of scrutiny needed to ensure that home-schooling parents need to make sure that they're doing what they should be, should home-schooling turn into anything other than the peripheral activity that it is at the moment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Nov 20 - 07:35 AM

I have known one or two good home school parents, including one who was a wonderful teacher in all respects. I have also known home school parents who are absolutely useless and either could not be arsed with taking their kids to school or they believe that the sort of negativity starting this thread is the norm.


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 20 - 08:44 AM

In my teaching career I came across two teenagers whose parents had given up on home schooling and eventually sent them to school. Both kids had clearly had their social skills severely blunted and, my word, how unforgiving their peers could be... I can't imagine what it could be like for a poor kid who had been home-schooled from soup to nuts, then released into the cut-and-thrust adult world...


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Subject: RE: BS: Schoolmaster Quotes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 20 - 08:48 AM

I must say, it's not impossible for a thread that should have been strangled at birth to turn into a serious and even worthwhile natter...


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