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BS: Brexit & other UK political topics

Dave the Gnome 04 Jan 21 - 05:40 PM
Donuel 04 Jan 21 - 03:53 PM
punkfolkrocker 04 Jan 21 - 03:20 PM
punkfolkrocker 04 Jan 21 - 02:34 PM
Backwoodsman 04 Jan 21 - 12:15 PM
Steve Shaw 04 Jan 21 - 12:10 PM
Nigel Parsons 04 Jan 21 - 10:50 AM
Steve Shaw 04 Jan 21 - 06:41 AM
Nigel Parsons 02 Jan 21 - 04:48 PM
punkfolkrocker 02 Jan 21 - 12:19 PM
Jos 02 Jan 21 - 07:14 AM
Steve Shaw 02 Jan 21 - 07:07 AM
Acorn4 02 Jan 21 - 06:59 AM
Backwoodsman 01 Jan 21 - 02:10 PM
Allan Conn 01 Jan 21 - 01:56 PM
Steve Shaw 01 Jan 21 - 11:47 AM
Rain Dog 01 Jan 21 - 10:35 AM
Raggytash 01 Jan 21 - 10:02 AM
Steve Shaw 01 Jan 21 - 09:00 AM
Backwoodsman 01 Jan 21 - 08:16 AM
Dave Hanson 01 Jan 21 - 07:40 AM
Rain Dog 01 Jan 21 - 07:13 AM
Bonzo3legs 01 Jan 21 - 06:34 AM
BobL 01 Jan 21 - 03:55 AM
Backwoodsman 01 Jan 21 - 01:25 AM
punkfolkrocker 31 Dec 20 - 06:10 PM
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Mrrzy 31 Dec 20 - 04:58 PM
The Sandman 31 Dec 20 - 03:18 PM
DMcG 31 Dec 20 - 02:54 PM
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punkfolkrocker 31 Dec 20 - 07:37 AM
Nigel Parsons 31 Dec 20 - 07:32 AM
Acorn4 31 Dec 20 - 05:00 AM
The Sandman 31 Dec 20 - 04:46 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jan 21 - 05:40 PM

Pay people to eat out
Open universities
Threaten schools with legal action if they close

Oh look. Infection rates are up. It must be this new strain. Can't be me. I follow science.

B Johnson. January 2021


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jan 21 - 03:53 PM

Jeeze pfr, tell us what you really think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Jan 21 - 03:20 PM

well then.. lockdown from tomorrow...

But our inept / willfully negligent / ideologically vindictive / murderous / tory Govt
could not resist just one more day of cramming infected kids and parents into primary schools...

So, how can we not suspect a deliberate attempt to kill off expensive older teachers,
falsely accused of being marxist feminist brainwashers of innocent naturally conservative children..

..when there's a massed herd of newly redundant right wing business and financial workers
who are available to be redeployed as fast tracked ideologically 'acceptable' teacher substitutes...?????

nah.. that's far too cynical an idea...??????????????????????????????


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Jan 21 - 02:34 PM

Would Biden be taking on and continuing trumpy era legal grudge cases like Assange;
or maybe quietly letting them slip off the priority 'to do' list...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jan 21 - 12:15 PM

I have a very strong suspicion that, if there were to be such a swap, Mrs. Sacoolas would receive considerably better treatment by U.K. authorities than Julian Assange would receive from the authorities in the US.

A very good reason not to agree to such a swap in the unlikely event it was offered by the US.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jan 21 - 12:10 PM

Except that she should definitely be here but he should definitely not be there. In m'humble, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Jan 21 - 10:50 AM

How about a straight swap for Anne Sacoolas?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jan 21 - 06:41 AM

So, yanks, you're not getting your grubby mitts on Julian Assange. Excellent!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 02 Jan 21 - 04:48 PM

Though how many times has old man Johnson changed his mind on brexit, to suit himself and his struggling PM son...???
Hardly at all. Right up until last month Johnson Snr. was writing articles in the Telegraph on why we should cancel Brexit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Jan 21 - 12:19 PM

Though how many times has old man johnson changed his mind on brexit,
to suit himself and his struggling PM son...???

At least the old fella is in a very comfy position, with more than enough options,
to weather the 'leave' storm,
his dopey boy has inflicted on the rest of us...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Jos
Date: 02 Jan 21 - 07:14 AM

People should be allowed to change their minds without being accused of being a "turncoat".

In the article linked to, Stanley Johnson expressed a belief about what would happen. It was NOT a life-long commitment with no option to retract if that belief turned out to be unfounded.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jan 21 - 07:07 AM

You will never get a one-word answer from a politician. If you asked him that, I suspect that you'd get the full treatise around the IHRA false definition of antisemitism...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Acorn4
Date: 02 Jan 21 - 06:59 AM

i'd like to ask Keir Starmer just one question to which the required answer would be yes or no:-

Is it correct that I am allowed to criticise the actions of the Britiah government, the US government, the Russian government or the German government but not the Israeli government?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 02:10 PM

He’s a turncoat...

Stanley Johnson - Turncoat...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Allan Conn
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 01:56 PM

Re Stanley Johnson. Not a great fan but to be fair on this issue he seemingly voted Remain so if he has a legit route to regain his European Union citizenship then why not? I'd certainly do the same.


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Subject: RE: BS: worst british prime minster
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 11:47 AM

I meant strong personalities, not possessing strong and visionary leadership skills. OK, read charismatic for strong.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 10:35 AM

I see that the new 'new variant' has been designated 'Variant of Concern'by Public Health England.


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Subject: RE: BS: worst british prime minster
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 10:02 AM

Have to take issue with you there Steve, Johnson very strong? Don't think so.


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Subject: RE: BS: worst british prime minster
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 09:00 AM

Daft question in m'humble. Very strong, pig-headed leaders make for very damaging prime ministers (Thatcher, Johnson). Then there are those who can't work with advisers (May). Corbyn is not of that ilk and he would likely have worked well with advisers. Of course, that raises the question of the quality of those advisers. Let's hope that Starmer is booted out before the next election. He isn't even a leader, and he would make such a terrible prime minister that the Tories would quickly regain power and hold it for a generation. And if anyone is fomenting a civil war in Labour, it's him. He should never have whipped MPs to vote for Johnson's shoddy deal and he should not have made himself supine before the Board Of Deputies. These things will come back to bite him, and it won't necessarily be the fault of leftie Labourites either.


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Subject: RE: BS: worst british prime minster
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 08:16 AM

I don’t know if he would have been the ‘worst’ PM, but he certainly managed to alienate a lot of voters, and his supporters currently waging a civil war within the party are in danger of doing the same.

The usual disclaimers apply......IMHO, YMMV etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: worst british prime minster
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 07:40 AM

I've been a Labour voter all my life but I tend to agree with Bonzo about Mr Corbyn.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 07:13 AM

It is a disgrace that the trade agreement was only reached with a few days left.A lot of people both here and in the EU are unsure about the new procedures. The UK is adopting a hands off approach for the first 6 months with regards to imports. Exports of course are entirely another matter.

The port entrance was very quiet at 10.00 this morning, apart from the number of TV crews standing around with nothing to do.


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Subject: RE: BS: worst british prime minster
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 06:34 AM

Who WOULD have been the worst prime minister if elected ??? Gold medal goes to corbyn - no contest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: worst british prime minster
From: BobL
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 03:55 AM

Lord North - lost us our colonies the other side of the Pond.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 01:25 AM

No surprise there then...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 06:10 PM

News.. Boris's dad applying for French citizenship...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 06:00 PM

However, she has contacts, and a plan...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 05:59 PM

DMcG - no further info up to yesterday. She’s on leave now until 4/1/21.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 05:21 PM

39 minutes. It's now 22:21 UTC


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Mrrzy
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 04:58 PM

2 more hours! Wow!

[I just remembered time zones.]


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 03:18 PM

Starmer is the Ramsay Macdonald of 2020


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 02:54 PM

I hardly dare ask, but does Mrs Backwoodsperson know yet?


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Subject: RE: BS: worst british prime minster
From: Acorn4
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 10:43 AM

Also depends how far back:-

Lord Liverpool - presided over the era of Peterloo and the Corn Laws.

Lord John Russell - disastrous response to the Irish potato famine.

The Duke of Wellington's stint as Pm was also pretty disastrous though he did enable the Catholic Emancipation Act as I recall


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Subject: RE: BS: worst british prime minster
From: Mr Red
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 10:41 AM

Yes an H - I was distracted by Mrs T


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Subject: RE: BS: worst british prime minster
From: Jos
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 10:19 AM

Mr Red, did you mean 'to which someone had appended an "H"'?


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Subject: RE: BS: worst british prime minster
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 10:10 AM

I think callagahn enabled mrs thatcher to get in to power,
i think heath had a disastrous 3 day week , so i was talking about heaths home not foreign policy


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Subject: RE: BS: worst british prime minster
From: Mr Red
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 10:03 AM

'King Boris

Because his only qualification for the job was that he wanted it.

A turncoat just like Trump. And look what is happening there.

And if you thought Callaghan & Heath put the country in queer street, the next four years will be telling.

And on a lighter note, during the 3 day week, in a factory visit, there was a notice on a door saying "Please close door to conserve HEAT" to which someone had appended a "T"


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Subject: RE: BS: worst british prime minster
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 08:33 AM

mind you heath was a bad PM ,THE MAN THAT GAVE THE UK A 3 DAY WEEK


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Subject: RE: BS: worst british prime minster
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 08:31 AM

not so attlee or harold wilson were they americas tame lap dogs. now heath was very much a european was he an american tame lap dog, he may have been over enthusiastic about europe and may not have negotriated the best terms, please correct me if i am wrong, the last astaement may not be totally informed


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Subject: RE: BS: worst british prime minster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 07:48 AM

Yes Nigel. They both made catastrophic decisions for the sake of their political careers. Which is pretty much what I said.


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Subject: RE: BS: worst british prime minster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 07:37 AM

Labour or tory, our PMs seem to end up as America's tame lap dogs...


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Subject: RE: BS: worst british prime minster
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 07:32 AM

"Call me Dave" made a catastrophic blunder with the referendum, as did Blair with the Iraq war, but aside from that he was pretty bland.
Extremely gentle to Blair.
He did not "make a blunder". He chose to take the UK into an illegal war. He got Parliament to assent based on his claim to have seen definite proof that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, but not being willing to share this evidence with Parliament.


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Subject: RE: BS: worst british prime minster
From: Acorn4
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 05:00 AM

Should have thought Anthony Eden worth a shout?


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Subject: RE: BS: worst british prime minster
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 04:46 AM

Cameron johnson thatcher are even worse than sunny jim


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Subject: RE: BS: worst british prime minster
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 04:24 AM

After Labour was defeated at the 1970 general election, Callaghan played a key role in the Shadow Cabinet. He became Foreign Secretary in 1974 upon Labour regaining government, taking responsibility for renegotiating the terms of the UK's membership of the European Communities, and supporting a "Yes" vote in the 1975 referendum to remain in the EC


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 30 Dec 20 - 11:52 AM

I had a look at the Prusa (a respected Czech maker of 3D printers) website yesterday and saw they had a notice saying they had suspended taking orders from the UK because of the Brexit situation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Dec 20 - 11:25 AM

Mrs Backwoodsperson is the Logistics Operations Manager of the U.K. Division of the European arm of a world-wide petro-chemical processing company. She is still waiting to hear what new regulations will prevail, and what documentation will be required, in order to import goods from, and export goods to, the EU w.e.f. Friday, 1st January, 2021.


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Subject: RE: BS: worst british prime minster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Dec 20 - 11:13 AM

My age group who were students during the early 80s
are still inclined to automatically nominate thatcher...!!!

.. though boris is nudging closer to usurping her...

.. but when he is pushed out, dread to think which tory **** will replace him...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Dec 20 - 11:04 AM

Well.. the Post office is issuing notice that sending parcels to Europe
is going to become much more difficult;

and a major European music software developer has emailed
that Brits may not be able to purchase their products
until they try to understand and sort out practicalities of any new rules...

wot a fackup...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Dec 20 - 11:03 AM

Just in case anyone misunderstands me when I say we have to work from where we are, I do *not* mean forget all the past. Our future options are limited by what we can do for each next step, but the past informs us not only what we have lost, but what can be achieved, so it can set a direction of travel. For example, there is no inherent reason we should permanently lose access to the security databases. There will be a price in cash and, yes, in sovereignty, but it can be done if we want.


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