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BS: Brexit & other UK political topics

Nigel Parsons 28 Jan 22 - 08:19 PM
Steve Shaw 28 Jan 22 - 07:09 PM
Steve Shaw 28 Jan 22 - 07:06 PM
DMcG 28 Jan 22 - 06:22 PM
DMcG 28 Jan 22 - 06:17 PM
McGrath of Harlow 28 Jan 22 - 02:12 PM
Dave the Gnome 28 Jan 22 - 01:40 PM
Steve Shaw 28 Jan 22 - 12:53 PM
McGrath of Harlow 28 Jan 22 - 11:08 AM
Nigel Parsons 28 Jan 22 - 10:10 AM
Steve Shaw 28 Jan 22 - 09:30 AM
McGrath of Harlow 28 Jan 22 - 09:21 AM
Backwoodsman 28 Jan 22 - 07:13 AM
Steve Shaw 28 Jan 22 - 06:29 AM
DMcG 27 Jan 22 - 04:58 PM
Steve Shaw 27 Jan 22 - 01:25 PM
Steve Shaw 27 Jan 22 - 06:36 AM
Dave the Gnome 27 Jan 22 - 03:15 AM
Backwoodsman 27 Jan 22 - 01:26 AM
SPB-Cooperator 26 Jan 22 - 07:43 PM
McGrath of Harlow 26 Jan 22 - 06:29 PM
Steve Shaw 26 Jan 22 - 05:36 PM
Doug Chadwick 26 Jan 22 - 04:53 PM
Steve Shaw 26 Jan 22 - 04:06 PM
keberoxu 26 Jan 22 - 03:47 PM
DMcG 26 Jan 22 - 03:08 PM
Bonzo3legs 26 Jan 22 - 03:03 PM
Dave the Gnome 26 Jan 22 - 02:20 PM
Steve Shaw 26 Jan 22 - 12:19 PM
McGrath of Harlow 26 Jan 22 - 11:48 AM
SPB-Cooperator 26 Jan 22 - 11:25 AM
DMcG 26 Jan 22 - 05:36 AM
DMcG 26 Jan 22 - 05:33 AM
Steve Shaw 26 Jan 22 - 04:27 AM
Dave the Gnome 26 Jan 22 - 04:25 AM
Steve Shaw 25 Jan 22 - 07:56 PM
DMcG 25 Jan 22 - 06:47 PM
peteglasgow 25 Jan 22 - 05:31 PM
Steve Shaw 25 Jan 22 - 03:25 PM
peteglasgow 25 Jan 22 - 03:20 PM
peteglasgow 25 Jan 22 - 03:17 PM
Steve Shaw 25 Jan 22 - 01:42 PM
McGrath of Harlow 25 Jan 22 - 11:47 AM
Steve Shaw 25 Jan 22 - 11:27 AM
McGrath of Harlow 25 Jan 22 - 10:11 AM
Steve Shaw 25 Jan 22 - 10:00 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 28 Jan 22 - 08:19 PM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 28 Jan 22 - 07:06 PM

The whole point here is that, investigations apart, we already know the facts. We know that an honestly-published report (a phrase I use advisedly, and nothing to do with Sue Gray) would finish him. The only thing that is "in his interests" is delay, delay, delay. That's what he and Cressida Dick (who owes him one) are up to. We are living in a corrupt country. It's a tragedy.


I've asked before what information you have which is not available to the rest of us. You continue not to say, but to make unsubstantiated pronouncements.

Saying:
I'll say what the Beeb and the papers daren't say for fear of their being sued. A couple of days ago, the Met said that they had no issue with the publication of the report. Today, yes they suddenly do have an issue. The most damaging accusations, and presumably the most damaging findings, are to be kept from us. Maybe for weeks if the Met gets its way. How ideal for Johnson. Let it all fade from the headlines and the public perception. Then, down the line, we get told that there isn't enough evidence to secure convictions. Bingo. This all happened today when the report was on the cusp of being delivered. It's a stitch-up. Cressida Dick is a big mate of Johnson's, and almost certainly wouldn't be in post but for him. You can bet your ass that they've been in touch during the last 48 hours to fix a whitewash. There, I've said it, and I'm not scared of being sued. Because it's all just my opinion, guv. ;-) includes a lot of 'statements' which appear to be of 'fact'. Adding a small disclaimer, at the end, that it is just your opinion, does not mollify the tone of the earlier claims.

Your previous claim (with no attached caveat) was:
From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 23 Jan 22 - 07:50 PM

The gatherings were illegal, Nigel.


I asked how you could know something which others still believed they needed to investigate to see whether it was true, and answer came there none!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 22 - 07:09 PM

Sorry, I meant "corrupted."


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 22 - 07:06 PM

The whole point here is that, investigations apart, we already know the facts. We know that an honestly-published report (a phrase I use advisedly, and nothing to do with Sue Gray) would finish him. The only thing that is "in his interests" is delay, delay, delay. That's what he and Cressida Dick (who owes him one) are up to. We are living in a corrupt country. It's a tragedy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Jan 22 - 06:22 PM

Everyone except Johnson's interest of course, though the Conservative thought should the full report clear him that would also be in his interests


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Jan 22 - 06:17 PM

On Newsnight on 28 jan, there was an ex supreme Court judge, a Conservative, and a Labour representative.

All three agreed there was no reason to redact the report, and it was in everyone's interest to release it in full without waiting for the Met to do their thing.

It is fairly unusual to have a Newsnight debate where everyone agrees with the others.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Jan 22 - 02:12 PM

There was a story in the Telegraph of all places pretty strongly implying what Steve wrote there - pretty clearly indicated how weak was the case for claiming that a full report would do anything to interfere with the police investigation, and saying it wss very hard to justify any delay or censoring.    They didn't go as far as pointing a fupinger at Cressida Dicks.

Being pretty cynical I wonder if the remarkable knack of Cressida Dicks survival, under several Prime Ministers, may be based on her knowing where the bodies are buried. Something that Boris seems to have overlooked when he sacked Dominic Cummings.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jan 22 - 01:40 PM

It's not often I can say this without getting some funny looks

We need a leak!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 22 - 12:53 PM

You know very well that this is not a row "over nothing," Nigel. Only someone who has had his fingers in his ears shouting "la la la" for three months would think that.

As for the report being evidence that might prejudice court cases, etc., let's find the bottom line here. The public interest in all this is not going to be served by the satisfaction of knowing that a bunch of wealthy Tories have been whacked with hundred quid fixed penalties. It will be served by our getting the whole and unvarnished truth about what has happened apropos of the parties. That's what Sue Gray is supposed to be delivering, that's what the public will judge the prime minister on and that's what will provoke Tory MPs into deciding whether he stays or goes. I don't give a damn about court cases and piffling fines, frankly. I want to know what went on. The whole story.

I'll say what the Beeb and the papers daren't say for fear of their being sued. A couple of days ago, the Met said that they had no issue with the publication of the report. Today, yes they suddenly do have an issue. The most damaging accusations, and presumably the most damaging findings, are to be kept from us. Maybe for weeks if the Met gets its way. How ideal for Johnson. Let it all fade from the headlines and the public perception. Then, down the line, we get told that there isn't enough evidence to secure convictions. Bingo. This all happened today when the report was on the cusp of being delivered. It's a stitch-up. Cressida Dick is a big mate of Johnson's, and almost certainly wouldn't be in post but for him. You can bet your ass that they've been in touch during the last 48 hours to fix a whitewash. There, I've said it, and I'm not scared of being sued. Because it's all just my opinion, guv. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Jan 22 - 11:08 AM

"If that is the case then the whole show was blown up over nothing."

Directly lying to the House of Commons, and persisting in doing that, is no kind of criminal offence, but has always been seen as a fatal offence for any government minister, including a Prime Minister, requiring them to resign. In fact Boris Johnson this week stated he agreed tgat to be the case.

Evidence confirming that Mr Johnson has done that is very far from being "nothing", however trivial the legal penalties might be.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 28 Jan 22 - 10:10 AM

Lord McDonald: It is really to say that if we are simply talking about lockdown breaches and fixed penalty notices, this move by the police this morning seems to be disproportionate.
If that is the case then the whole show was blown up over nothing.

Nazir Afzal: A purely factual report by Sue Gray cannot possibly prejudice a police investigation.
They just have to follow the evidence, of which the report will be a part.

The report may form part of the evidence if the matter goes to court. Putting that evidence in front of the public before it is even decided whether the matter is serious enough to go to court could prejudice any court outcome.

It seems to me that neither of these two quoted persons is quite on top of his brief.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 22 - 09:30 AM

Lord McDonald, a crossbench peer and former DPP:

The risk of the police intervention this morning is that this leaves things hanging in the air for weeks and months, and that seems obviously not to be in the public interest.

If we’re talking about fixed penalty notices - like parking tickets, essentially - if we’re talking about that kind of resolution, then to take the rather grave step to delay a report that is going to shed public light on the subject matter of what may be a major public scandal, I think that is undesirable and I think it may be a misjudgment.

But only police know what it is that is really at play here.

It is really to say that if we are simply talking about lockdown breaches and fixed penalty notices, this move by the police this morning seems to be disproportionate.


Nazir Afzal, former chief prosecutor:

This is absolute nonsense from the Met police.

A purely factual report by Sue Gray cannot possibly prejudice a police investigation.

They just have to follow the evidence, of which the report will be a part.


Stitch-up. Whitewash.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Jan 22 - 09:21 AM

I question whether the police have the legal power to limit Sue Gray if she prefers not to fall in line, which has been suggested might be the case.   What's been reported is that they have ssked her, rather than instructed her.

Since no criminal proceedings would be involved with the alleged offences, I cannot see how it could seriously be argued that publication of details could have any significant impact on the ability of theooice to do their stuff. That's just flannel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jan 22 - 07:13 AM

Elect a clown, end up with a circus.
We got what they voted for. Wonder if the truth has begun to dawn on them yet?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 22 - 06:29 AM

So Johnson's big mate Cressida Dick has nobbled Sue Gray's report. Only the harmless bits will now be published. When the Met eventually release their findings you can bet your little life that it'll be "there wasn't enough evidence..." Can you believe that Boris hasn't had a hand in this?

Then we have Liz Truss, flying to Oz with her little entourage in a private jet, cost to the taxpayer a cool half-million. She could have done it business class on a scheduled flight for what, thirty grand? AND got there five hours earlier. Not to speak of her taking the US trade delegation to lunch at a posh restaurant (owned by Zac Goldsmith's half-brother...well, well, well...) at a cost of three grand for the ten of them. OUR three grand. Apparently, lunch included a couple of bottles of gin and five bottles of wine, at £60 or £70 the bottle. Bet they didn't have Dairylea on toast.

Piss-taking and corruption rule OK...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Jan 22 - 04:58 PM

Now Johnson declares there was no cake at all.

You think that might have been mentioned days ago ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jan 22 - 01:25 PM

So, following hot on the heels of cakegate we now have rhubarbgate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jan 22 - 06:36 AM

I love purple sprouting so much that I grow it. Cropping beautifully just now. I see that the Tories are shitting on benefits claimants yet again. Oh well, I suppose they have to claw something back after writing off over four billion that went to COVID-19 fraudsters from the Treasury...Our money, in other words...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jan 22 - 03:15 AM

I like purple spouting broccoli. Could probably run the country better than Bozo too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jan 22 - 01:26 AM

I like ‘em both.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 26 Jan 22 - 07:43 PM

Nowt wrong with broccoli... beats cauliflower hands down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Jan 22 - 06:29 PM

It¡s always the cover-up that causes the real trouble. With pretty all the scandals that have wrecked politicians they could likely enough been able to talk their ways out of it if they hadn't denied the facts and attempted to cover things up.

With this current stuff, if Boris had been open about it, admitted there's been significant cockups, and he'd been careless about it, he'd have been in a far far better position now.
The clear evidence that he deliberately lied to parliament is probably the bit that most threatens his survival now.

When it comes to his playing fast and looses with the rules and so fast they can and do drum up all kinds of rationales and excuses - no one is perfect, isn't this trivial set against big issues like war in Ukraine, other leaders like Churchill or Kennedy or Lincoln had some deep flaws et etc. If he'd not muddied up things with the denials and the lies those kind of notions would have been far easier to sell.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jan 22 - 05:36 PM

A fart on a stalk.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 26 Jan 22 - 04:53 PM

. . . and don't forget George W. Bush,
who would not eat his broccoli.


Wasn't George H. W. Bush rather than his son, George W., who mentioned his distaste for broccoli?

In this case, I'm with President Bush senior.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jan 22 - 04:06 PM

I'm not surprised. The most boring vegetable on the planet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: keberoxu
Date: 26 Jan 22 - 03:47 PM

. . . and don't forget George W. Bush,
who would not eat his broccoli.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Jan 22 - 03:08 PM

The sources add that, while the lockdown-breaking offences are relatively minor and do not result in a criminal record if paid promptly, any attempts to lie, or to get others to lie, could result in an escalation of Scotland Yard’s inquiry, with perverting the course of justice investigations launched. Suspicion of committing such offences could lead to arrest, full criminal investigation and potentially time in jail if convicted.

Wow! This is a textbook example of the game theory "prisoner's dilemma" with the possibility of actual prison as a possible payoff.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 26 Jan 22 - 03:03 PM

and not forgetting general uselessapotomusness from Diane Abbott!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jan 22 - 02:20 PM

Cameron'# predeliction was more for pork products wasn't it? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jan 22 - 12:19 PM

You missed a couple out, Kevin. There was Cameron and pastygate, and, most egregiously, John Selwyn Gummer ostentatiously feeding a beefburger to his daughter on camera in May 1990 to prove that British beef was safe with regard to BSE.

As a long-time Guardian reader, don't you long for the halcyon days when Steve Bell depicted   Gummer as a pustule on Thatcher's nose...not to speak of John Major wearing his Y-fronts outside his trousers...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Jan 22 - 11:48 AM

Of course Ed Miliband got ambushed by a bacon sandwich. And Bush had a nasty turn with a pretzel. You have to watch out for these hostile foodstuffs.

He'd better be careful who he throws to the wolves. That can go badly wrong. There was a former government employee on TV pointing out that Boris showed his fundamental political shambolism when he failed to realise that in sacking Dominic Cummings the way he did he was making a deadly enemy of the man with the ability and motivation to destroy him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 26 Jan 22 - 11:25 AM

Did fagarse write to apologise to the cow for being an obnoxious piece of proverbial that resulted in her milk being abused?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Jan 22 - 05:36 AM

The unforgettable cheese speech


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Jan 22 - 05:33 AM

Well Farage was ambushed by a milk-shake, so I suppose a cake is a little more upmarket.

Liz Truss has, to an extent, already been ambushed by the cheese course.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jan 22 - 04:27 AM

Without wishing to sound like an evasive Tory MP, I wish to say that I'm just waiting for Sue Gray... :-)

I note that after seeing that rather corpulent, purple-faced Tory trying to defend Johnson yesterday, claiming that Boris had been ambushed by a cake, Nigella Lawson has mused on twitter that "Ambushed By A Cake" would make a good title for her next book...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jan 22 - 04:25 AM

I read a slightly different version

"When a clown comes to the palace, he does not become a king. But the palace becomes a circus.”

My own thoughts on why Bozo is happy about the police investigations is that a few members of staff will be thrown to the wolves to appease the masses while Boris will be exonerated as not being involved. The sacrifices have probably already been well rewarded and told what to say.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jan 22 - 07:56 PM

A Turkish proverb (nicked from a Guardian comments thread):

“When the ox comes to the palace, he does not become a king. But the palace becomes a barn.”

A fair reflection of what's happened to Downing Street I should think...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 25 Jan 22 - 06:47 PM

Rees-Mogg said on Newsnight that if there is a change of leader he thinks there needs to be an election. No doubt we will hear this a lot over the next day or two, since it is designed to scare the red-wallers into supporting Johnson given their slim majority.

If this is true, either they call an election immediately Johnson goes, and try to fight the next election before they have chosen a leader. Or, alternatively, they choose their new leader who then completely voluntarily throws away their 80-odd seat majority.

Sorry, I don't buy it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: peteglasgow
Date: 25 Jan 22 - 05:31 PM

you're right bonzo - i'm pissing myself laughing at them


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jan 22 - 03:25 PM

The awards for today's finest Boris-lackeys go jointly to Grant Schapps (torn to shreds on the Today programme by Justin Webb - around 08.10 if you missed it) and Jacob Rees-Mogg on any news bulletin you care to watch. Utterly laughable defences of their charlatan leader.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: peteglasgow
Date: 25 Jan 22 - 03:20 PM

'rishi sunak accidentally attended johnson's birthday party' where 'johnson was 'ambushed by a cake' Aye, right. they really despise us eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: peteglasgow
Date: 25 Jan 22 - 03:17 PM

i don't think johnson is happy about any of these developments. he is a deeply insecure type of shite and it must be quite an effort for him to put on this positive appearance - clearly some days he hides his inadequacies better than others (probably depending on the previous night's booze intake) however, i could be wrong - it's all happening so fast i don't really know what i think will be the outcome.


However, watching all the tory creeps brown-nosing and cheering on their naked emperor does make me feel uncomfortable about living in what, for now, at parliament level, looks like a trumpist country. lets hope the law and due process can save us and hasten the end of the would be dictator.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jan 22 - 01:42 PM

Two comments from (oddly! ) AV Forums:

"Cressida Dick is well and truly in the pocket of the lying Johnson and his crooked cronies. This is just a delaying tactic while we wait for the whitewash. Talk about life imitating art, we need a real life AC12 and the Line of Duty team to investigate the Met."

"Yes the fact the current government are so far beyond incompetent, and seemingly beyond reproach for any of the immoral and illegal behaviour is the only reason Dick still has her own job. In normal times she would now be the most incompetent person in public office making decisions so biased and bad that they would be wholly unsurvivable, leading to questions asked if she needs investigating into by a different police authority."

I'm not really a conspiracy theorist, but I think there are several grains of truth there. She is thoroughly incompetent, and she is clearly joined to Boris's hip. She needs to be grilled as to why her force has so far failed to investigate the Downing Street parties. It must be ludicrously easy to obtain records of who was going in and out of the building at all the times in question, so why not? Why were concerns not raised by the multiple police officers who are always there on duty (unless, of course, their concerns were raised but simply ignored, very likely I should think). Why is Johnson apparently so happy that she's now involved? Or am I being overly suspicious that a stitch-up is being sorted?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Jan 22 - 11:47 AM

The Met may have no objection but I bet Johnson will be doing is best to hold it up as long as he can. Whether as the Man who averted a War, or the Man who led the country in a War, he stands to be able to milk this situation for his benefit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jan 22 - 11:27 AM

He'll be doing that all right, though, as I said, the Met see no particular objection to the release of the report.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Jan 22 - 10:11 AM

With the Sue Gray findings being held up by the Met inquiry I suspect that Boris may succeed in using the Ukraine Crisis as his get out of jail card, at least for a while. Working on his Churchillian speeches already.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jan 22 - 10:00 AM

I think it depends on how much he knows the police know. It's looking very untidy for him just now. I think that either he'll go quite quickly or that you'll be right...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 25 Jan 22 - 09:44 AM

I have said before that I thought the time for MPs to send in letters was 17-19 January and if they did not, we would have Johnson in place until after the May elections.

Even though the Met have said they were willing for Sue Gray's report to be released, it looks like it is now weeks away. Listening to the Urgent Question today, there was a strong attempt from the Tories to dismiss everything, but I did not think the opposition had matching fire on their side. (True, they are not fighting for their political lives.)

So unless something quite dramatic happens, I think I stick to my May prediction.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jan 22 - 09:35 AM

From Labour List just now.

"...The Metropolitan Police has announced that it will be investigating the Downing Street parties after all, due to both information provided by Sue Gray’s team and the assessments of its own officers. This indicates that Gray has definitely found evidence of behaviour that could be a criminal offence and had to be referred to the police. It seems likely now that the Gray report will be paused. The line ‘wait for the police’ is not a good replacement for ‘wait for Sue Gray’ and won’t be an easy one for ministers to repeat incessantly on the airwaves."

Some intriguing points in there. To add to that, the Met has said that there's no particular objection to the publication of the sections of Sue Gray's report that they've started to investigate. Bet that doesn't happen...

Mind you I agree that "Let's wait for the police..." doesn't have quite the same ring about it as "Let's wait for Sue Gray...". :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jan 22 - 09:25 AM

I wonder at times whether Cressida bloody Dick isn't even more useless than Johnson. I wonder whether she'll be asked the questions about her conduct in all this that she fully deserves to be confronted with. After Jean Charles de Menezes, I've always marvelled at the fact that she got the job in the first place.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jan 22 - 04:13 PM

I see no one seems to have picked up on the significant typo in that email invitation.

Surely that first paragraph should have read "After what has been an incredibly boozy period we thought it would be nice to make the most of the lovely weather and have some socially distanced drinks in the No10 garden this evening.


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