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BS: Trump Actions and Effects

Donuel 19 Jan 21 - 09:43 AM
Donuel 19 Jan 21 - 09:32 AM
McGrath of Harlow 18 Jan 21 - 09:31 PM
Bill D 18 Jan 21 - 07:32 PM
Helen 18 Jan 21 - 05:37 PM
Donuel 18 Jan 21 - 05:15 PM
Stilly River Sage 18 Jan 21 - 04:25 PM
Helen 18 Jan 21 - 01:17 PM
Helen 18 Jan 21 - 01:00 PM
Bill D 18 Jan 21 - 12:36 PM
Bill D 18 Jan 21 - 12:15 PM
Donuel 18 Jan 21 - 07:49 AM
gillymor 18 Jan 21 - 07:43 AM
Donuel 18 Jan 21 - 07:02 AM
Backwoodsman 18 Jan 21 - 06:20 AM
Stilly River Sage 18 Jan 21 - 12:07 AM
leeneia 17 Jan 21 - 11:38 PM
Donuel 17 Jan 21 - 09:11 PM
Steve Shaw 17 Jan 21 - 09:08 PM
Helen 17 Jan 21 - 06:40 PM
Bill D 17 Jan 21 - 06:14 PM
McGrath of Harlow 17 Jan 21 - 03:43 PM
punkfolkrocker 17 Jan 21 - 02:36 PM
Helen 17 Jan 21 - 12:06 PM
Backwoodsman 17 Jan 21 - 11:48 AM
Donuel 17 Jan 21 - 11:40 AM
Donuel 17 Jan 21 - 11:30 AM
McGrath of Harlow 17 Jan 21 - 09:20 AM
Steve Shaw 17 Jan 21 - 05:46 AM
Dave the Gnome 17 Jan 21 - 02:55 AM
McGrath of Harlow 17 Jan 21 - 02:23 AM
punkfolkrocker 16 Jan 21 - 11:22 AM
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punkfolkrocker 16 Jan 21 - 11:11 AM
Donuel 16 Jan 21 - 11:04 AM
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Backwoodsman 16 Jan 21 - 06:08 AM
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Doug Chadwick 16 Jan 21 - 05:01 AM
robomatic 15 Jan 21 - 10:32 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 09:43 AM

In the law stretching tradition of Trump the remaining pardons to come are not required by law to be made public.
Secret pardons was something I never considered either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 09:32 AM

McGrath you are remarkably well informed

Bill a native american calmness seems imbued in your stature.
The Kickapoo exist from the great lakes to Mexico so naturally I wandered in their territory in my lifetime. Americans are deliberatly not introduced to native americans in public school. At most I share a common enemy, white supremists.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 09:31 PM

It's just not true that it would take a Constitutional Amendment to effectively get rid of the problem with the Electoral College. To formally abolish the College would need a Constitutional Amendment, that¡s true, but there's another way that's almost in reach.

A good number of states, some of the Red, have agreed to the National Popular Vote Interstate Concord, which means that all their electoral college members would be legally bound to vote for the candidate who got most votes, but with that only kicking in once the number of electors Bound in that way reaches 270.

At present states with 196 electoral college votes are committed to that, but in a number of other states at least one part of the legislature has voted in favour, and the other has not rejected it. They would bring the number well above the crucial 270 votes.

It sounds to me as if there could be a realistic possibility of this being achieved within the next four years.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 07:32 PM

Don... the 'Kaw' was a shortened form of the Kanza .. there were many tribes whose names were muddled by early historians.

In Kansas, I knew several members of various tribes. The most notable was Blackbear Bosin who was also a photographer and showed me some things..he designed The_Keeper of the Plains, which I watched being constructed.
But in Lawrence, I worked with several Kickapoo, like Don Wenenis and Virgil Shoptese, who were forklift operators at a Stokely-Van Camp warehouse, and a couple of the nicest guys you'd ever want to know.

More here

...and Wichita itself was named for one tribe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 05:37 PM

I haven't seen this in the news but my Hubby said that the rioters are going to demand legal costs from Trump because he is responsible. Now *that* will be an interesting story! I wonder how that's going to play out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 05:15 PM

Hey Bill did you know Kansas was named after the Kaw tribe?
I think the 1st native american VP was 1/2 Kaw.

Trump's legal jeopardy grows as rioters blame Trump for their involvement.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 04:25 PM

The Electoral College was in place to help slave-holding states remain slave-holding states. It's way past time for it to go.

Trump is rude right up to the end as far as being gracious to the Bidens in the transition. Interesting article about the move out and the move in at the White House.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 01:17 PM

To be clear, I thought of the song What Did I Do To Be So Black And Blue? because I think it is one of the most poignant lyrical expressions of the effects of racism that I have ever heard, so I think it would be the most appropriate last barb at a self-proclaimed racist's farewell.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 01:00 PM

Yes, Bill D, I'm beginning to see how difficult it would be to make changes to the electoral college system.

One big benefit of living in the technological communication age is that the state results were known nationally and internationally as soon as the votes were tallied so it would be extremely difficult to tamper with the results. Compare that with the horse-and-buggy days and it's a completely different ballgame.

And gillymor, I was trying to think of some relevant and pointed music that the military style band could play to see him out.

Send in the Clowns? The classic silly circus tune, Entry of the Gladiators? Or maybe some of the best music of all time, songs by the great African American musicians like Louis Armstrong's When the Saints Go Marching In, or What Did I Do To Be So Black And Blue? or Nobody Knows the Trouble I've Seen or Billie Holiday's Strange Fruit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 12:36 PM

Helen.. I too view the electoral college system as an outdated anachronism that hamstrings fair presidential voting.

The problem is, getting rid of it would take a Constitutional amendment that not enough Southern states would support. Many of our problems are related to our basic **states rights** setup. In most countries there are things that can be done by vote or decree for the entire country.... here, on many matters, each state can opt out and write its own rules. Joe Biden plans to issue a mask mandate on Wednesday, but it will only apply to federal buildings and workers.

230+ years of our history are both an asset and a hindrance to certain types of progress.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 12:15 PM

leenia.... no, I have not been to Alabama. I HAVE been to Mississippi for two weeks....in 1964, on a voting rights march.
I'm assuming the nice, gentle people you dealt with in Alabama didn't view you as an "outside agitator" who was there to threaten their fundamental beliefs about racial equality. I was at that time living in Kansas, and rural folks there did not conduct lynchings... but it was best to be careful about your politics.

My extensive reading about progress & politics since 1964 has shown me that Mississippi has made more progress than Alabama. The town that I visited back then now has a black mayor. In 1964, I was threatened by the sheriff and police. Alabama is still electing people like Tommy Tubberville.

   In almost any place in the country, rural folk are 'generally' hard-working, friendly people who will help you and share with you... unless you are there to poke at their core prejudices.

Progress is slow... but much slower in many areas of the South. Georgia has made obvious progress... but 2 weeks in Alabama would test my ability to stay out of conflict.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 07:49 AM

I may not get to the promised land of truth with you but I promise you will get to the promised land where people realize they were fooled by lies. The big lie will die. The algorithem lie cycle will change. Even the atom sized lie about me and you will pass away.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 07:43 AM

BW, it seems things were kind of quiet yesterday and banning trump from most social media platforms probably had a lot to do with it but we still have a few days until he slithers out of D.C., without the big military send-off he was begging for.

USA Today has a protest tracker that they periodically update.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 07:02 AM

Happy MLK DAY - assasinated by the right along with Malcome X, JFK, RFK...
That suceeded in virtually silencing the left until BLM
Assasination politics has returned. Trump's inability to hire competant people was his downfall.
There is now proof the White House paid between 10 grand and 20 grand to organizers of the January 6 coup.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 06:20 AM

Any news on how the ‘Armed March on Capitol Hill and All State Capitols’ which we’ve seen being touted around social media went off yesterday?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 12:07 AM

I predict a rough week ahead. People who bet probably have money on whether Trump will 1) pardon various of his criminal associates 2) pardon seditious rioters or 3) pardon himself.

The lunatic fringe is armed these days and have military tactics and training. Here's hoping they all decide to stay home.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: leeneia
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 11:38 PM

"If Georgia can make progress, can Alabama be far behind?? Oh... maybe that's too much to hope for..."

Bill D, have you ever been to Alabama? I mean for a long time, like two weeks? I bet not.

My husband worked in rural Alabama for months and months, and he found most people there to be gentle, unsophisticated and friendly. Like many rural Americans, they are poor, looked down on, don't know how to get out of poverty, and are beset by alcohol, meth and opioids.

Small wonder that a wiley politician with a captive TV network promised them salvation and they believed it. Remarks like yours only make the situation worse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 09:11 PM

I feel shock , sadness and shame for the country. I can believe that many will gloat at our misfortune. While I have written that I was seeing a coming civil war for the last 20 years i was still surprised by the attack.

45% of Republicans support or defend the attack, Insurrection is becoming a sport and even have pre attack news shows on TV. Until states seceed it is a sport for amateurs. Republicans would be better off if Trump could never run again. It would give them a better chance to lead the rabble in 2024. Niki Haley has that sense but not Ted Cruz.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 09:08 PM

Hmm. You still managed to elect Tony Abbott... :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 06:40 PM

Thanks Bill D. My comments about re-working the electoral system were more about the electoral college system.

One person, one vote is the system in Australia and it seems to work well. Also, not having a presidential system means that a disproportionate amount of power does not rest on one person. It is spread across the whole political party which won the election, or in some cases, if there were a couple or a few political parties which won a lot of votes, there has to be negotiation between the parties in power. Donations to political parties is very heavily regulated and the big political rallies are not as over the top as the U.S. events. We also have some big media/broadcasting organisations which pride themselves on balanced, evidence-based reporting. We do still have the nut-job media and personalities, but that is usually balanced out by the more rational broadcasting and news organisations.

Most of the time we don't have a lot of political bickering and name calling, although we do have our moments.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 06:14 PM

Almost any criticism of 'Americans' fits... IF you put **some** in front of it. It is far too easy to spin a broad generalization of both the USA and 'what the rest of the world' thinks about us.
   This 4 years has been embarrassing to most of us...including many who voted for his Trumpness out of some hope his brash talk meant something. The excessive support for the idiocy he brought has exposed...more than usual... a lot of the racism and hate that still exists. It let them come out into the open more.
   The thing is, the basic idea(s) in the Declaration and Constitution are still operable and allowing us to begin recovery after learning a sad lesson.
   Soon.. 3 days.. we will have a president and congress tilted the other way, with cabinet members and a judiciary made up of competent, sane and dedicated people. In all my years, I have never seen so many appointments that were not based on political favoritism!
It will be tense as Biden & Co. try to correct things in 2 years..before another nervous election mess.... but plans are being made.

   You folks who...rightly... decry the mess we have made, keep making comments (as if I could stop you!) but don't judge too harshly until you see how it goes.
If Georgia can make progress, can Alabama be far behind?? Oh... maybe that's too much to hope for....
Still... *shrug*


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 03:43 PM

I think Americans are sometimes very starry eyes about the extent to which people in other countries see them as an inspiration, rather than a warning. Rapturous words about how it's seen as "a shining city on a hill" and so forth.

It's much more complicated than that. Along with an appetite for a slice of the cake and an appreciation of and genuine affection for of many aspects of the culture there's an irritation at the way these often seem to take over the world. When things go wrong for America the rest of the world's reaction includes a measure of satisfaction.

There's nothing unusual in this - much the same was equally true of the British Empire in its pomp, and even today by many. But I get the impression Americans may be more prone to believing their national myths.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 02:36 PM

Donny - Wow..

Whatever makes you think I am an Americanist...!!!???

I could never be Americaphobic, some of my best virtual friends are Americans..

I'd even let my daughter marry an American.. [Disclosure: I don't have any children..}

I don't hate America, there's much about the culture I love maybe even more than Britain..

No, what I am is angry with and afraid of America.

I quite reasonably fear America as a bigger real threat than either Putin, or China..
.. or perhaps even Israel and North Korea..

Ok.. Maybe the USA is still only second behind IS!S.. but up until Biden's win,
even that was debatable...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 12:06 PM

McGrath of Harlow, the Dr John Snow story is a good example of identifying the source of a problem and standing up for the evidence against people who denied the facts in favour of their beliefs. I saw a documentary on TV about that. Thanks.

And I don't think anyone here is happy to see the cracks in the US political system, except that if it is now so broken it might become obvious to the people in power that it needs to be re-jigged into something more robust i.e. an electoral system which can withstand attacks on its integrity from someone like Trump who doesn't have a moral compass.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 11:48 AM

Don, I don’t believe that any of us here hate the US, but I do think that many, perhaps most, of us hate the image of the US that 45 and his cabal have presented to the world over the past five years.

I worked for an American company, and with Americans, for thirteen years, and I know that Americans aren’t all ‘like that’.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 11:40 AM

But for the most part you are right. I can't deny it is as crazy and destructive as you say.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 11:30 AM

Kevin it may sound unintuitive to you at first but there is a real phenomenon in which 'the bigger the lie - the more believable'.
This realization came to light here during the Nixon administration.
The BIG lie has a lifetime but is quite robust. People react to the big lie in a rationalization that something so outrageous has to be true because no one would make up something that bizzare.
Combine this with a truth like racism and you have a powerful hybrid lie. Yes you may see this phenomenon at work in your own country.

pfr if you hate the 'US' that much so be it. If you are only expressing shaudenfreude you might be 'happiier than a pig in shit'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 09:20 AM

One encouraging thing I heard on TV news - it was reported that it's claimed that since Trump got shutout of his internet megaphone sites, the number of his type of conspiracist posts about the "election steal" and so forth has gone down by no less than 70%. Not just his tweets but other people reposting them etc.

I wouldn't put too much weight on that, it doesn't sound like hard info, more of an impression - butit's still encouraging, and we need encouragement now if we ever did.

I'm reminded of the story of Dr John Snow and the Broad Street Pump, in a cholera outbreak in1854. Cutting off a source of pollutioncan have dramatic effects.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 05:46 AM

The millions who voted for Trump/Johnson/brexit were all the more easily manipulated because of the lack of political education. In a proper democracy it's crucial that the voters are made more resilient to wily politicians who pretend that their simple promises are the way to run the country. I'd hasten to add that a politician has to be wily in order to survive, but being wily doesn't mean being a liar, and a well-educated electorate would the more easily be able to see the difference. Of course, as soon as you advocate political education (by which I emphatically do not mean "citizenship" education) you're labelled a commie, a red under the bed, a raving leftie revolutionary... .


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 02:55 AM

I don't think they were all insane either Kevin. Any more than the 17.4 million who voted for Brexit were insane either. They do have one thing in common. They were conned by populist lies. Not to say they were easily fooled either. The conmen, led by Trump and Johnson, are very good at it. They tell people what they want to hear and are very convincing. They were supported by mainstream media and well funded. It is the manipulation of politics by outside influences that needs to stop. In my opnion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 02:23 AM

One thing that feeds into the ability of some seemingly rational people to hold on to the Steal lie is maybe that the allegations have been so over the top that they've been rejected by courts out of hand. When the rogue congress members called for a commission to examine fraud allegations, they may have been insincere, but it might have been a good idea to take them up on it, but require that such a commission should take place after the inauguration of Biden.

Clearly there's a case for examining the whole business of how elections are carried out in the states. There have to be some limits on the ability of states to make voting harder for some people by restricting the number of polling sites and so forth. Unpacking allegations of voting fraud would fit well within that context. (In fact I believe it is common practice in many democracies to examine that kind of thing after elections.

I don't suggest that the hardcore Trumpists would waver in the face of the strongest evidence that they've been lied to, but I can"t believe 75 million Americans are all irredeemably insane.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Jan 21 - 11:22 AM

When does the rest of the world get to declare the USA a rogue failed state,
and send in military peace keeping missions...???

.. at least it's been proven beyond doubt America has stockpiled WMD...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 21 - 11:13 AM

Even Luxemburg won't allow Pompeo to visit for 'state dept talks'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Jan 21 - 11:11 AM

"Fascistbook"...

A too easy pun, which is no longer just a glib smartarse remark...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 21 - 11:04 AM

Don't forget the radicalization process was invented by Facebook with alogorhythems that refeed one point of view to maximize their advertising dollar. It is imo the biggest richest enabler.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Jan 21 - 10:42 AM

donald trump.. Public Enemy No. 1...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jan 21 - 10:31 AM

Donuel's list of 15 Jan 21 - 03:50 PM has been in the news the last couple of days as prosecutors and FBI and various state investigators track down hundreds of offenders from the January 6 assault on the Capitol. News of each of their raisons d'être as they are arrested is disheartening. So many nasty groups out there, all unleashed and energized by the cretin Trump.

If that is what the makeup of the Republican party is now, there won't be a quick return to normal for the good people who did a yeoman's job of bashing Trump with the Lincoln Project. As I listened to them talk in interviews I was aware that once Trump is out, they would restore the GOP to it's old self - but now it's looking like that won't be so easy.

On my radio just now - "Pompeo spoke on Voice of America recently . . ." damn, that's another broken agency. Trump's folks trashed it into a horrible source of vitriol for the world, no news or leading by example. One more thing for the "to do" list.


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Subject: RE: BS: A very important post
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 21 - 08:48 AM

IF TRUMP CAN RESPOND TO A NATIONAL EMERGENCY he could declare a National emergency and thus impose martial law keeping Biden from assuming control.
This is why there is an overwhelming presence of national guard in DC so a national emergency of riots can not take place.
There is chatter and intelligence to support this scenario.
Mike Lindell was at the White House yesterday and supports the martial law plan according to the Washington Post.
Because Trump's Plan A failed to kill lawmakers on DC a second wave of Inauguration riots seems like plan b.
I don't know if a hypothetical takeover of the Madison Wisconsin capitol building would be enough to justify National Emergency martial law.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 21 - 08:05 AM

Trump is so virulent he got a second dose of impeachment this week just like the
Covid vaccine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 21 - 07:51 AM

Protest and dissent is at a new low. Dissent merchandise sold on the internet are things like small buttons that say "science is real"
How provocative is that?

operation warp speed should be called warped greed.
There are no US government reserve vaccines left.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Jan 21 - 06:08 AM

For once, Bonz, we are in agreement.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Jan 21 - 05:48 AM

So the last execution has taken place under fucking shit trump, of a man convicted 24 years ago, which is cruelty beyond belief.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 16 Jan 21 - 05:01 AM

Thanks Robo.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Jan 21 - 10:32 PM

Doug Chadwick:

My reference to "pull 'is own 'ead off rather than see Doug" was a reference to an old Monty Python sketch on how non-desirous a criminal was to have to answer to the master criminal Doug Piranha who used...............sarcasm. "'E knew all the tricks, metaphor, pathos, pun, litotes, and satire!"

The regular practise of Question Time seems to be somewhat more erudite and brassy than American legislators are wont to endure in modern times. The mastery both questioner and PM have to have to endure this swift repartee seems to be well beyond what puffed up yankee solons can view with impunity.

As to harsh desires some of us may have regarding our outgoing President and his 'sisters and his cousins and his aunts' (That's a Gilbert and Sullivan reference). some of you might enjoy the recent "Squeeze Me" novel by Carl Hiaasen in which the Current Occupant runs into problems on his golf resort when large burmese pythons begin to show up, apparently by invitation, to embarrass him and his supporters, to say the least.

In the meantime, yesterday I got my first covid vaccine shot from an Anchorage school system nurse. Reported on in the vaccine thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 21 - 08:36 PM

There is a definate over reaction show of force in DC.
There is also a over reaction by Fox News accusing Democrats of lies, riots and a plan to frame Trump. btw they say lockdowns are a lie and don't work. who knew

what happened to tar and feathers?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Jan 21 - 04:33 PM

Really? What happened to tar & feathers and a rail?

I like parades!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 15 Jan 21 - 04:21 PM

Now the old dickhead wants a military send-off on inauguration day and I think we should give it to him. Strap him to an ICBM, point it towards Mar a Lago and start the countdown.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Jan 21 - 03:55 PM

Like ancient world god-like emperors
decreeing their families, servants, soldiers, horses, and dogs
be entombed with them
when they die...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 21 - 03:50 PM

Who are the extremist rioters?

They are extremely varied-
Qanon- a virtual religious cult of Trump prophecies and magical thinking
Nazis- are under diffrent titles; boogaloo boys, proud boys and KKK spin offs
Tea party mutants- people who had truth decay from the start and evolved into predators
Religious right- From Jerry Falwell to Bob Jones protestant graduates
2nd Amendment fans- Paranoid since Obama who prefer Sandy Hooks to gun control
Rush Limbaugh veterans- People who always hated women and others smarter than themselves
Typical racists- Exploiters and folks secretly envious of blacks
Militias- 1%'s, oath keepers and lodges that play soldier on weekends.
AK 47 - enthusiasts looking for a reason

There are others of course but the main thing is that they do not get along with each other or authorities.

Americans- Exposed to media that shapes their hate strategicly


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 15 Jan 21 - 03:35 PM

As witnessed, Raggytash, by the fact that Trump said he would be there with them at the Capitol and then held a big party and watched it all on television and delayed calling in the National Guard until Mike Pence finally did it.

Yep, pfr, very similar to the Jonestown massacre.

I always knew Trump was stupid, but how stupid is it to kill off your own fan base by denying that the virus is real and deliberately putting them in danger? I don't think rational thinking is in his repertoire either.


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