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BS: Trump Actions and Effects

punkfolkrocker 10 Jan 21 - 02:43 PM
Donuel 10 Jan 21 - 01:42 PM
Donuel 10 Jan 21 - 12:08 PM
Jeri 10 Jan 21 - 12:05 PM
Donuel 10 Jan 21 - 11:53 AM
Stilly River Sage 10 Jan 21 - 10:47 AM
Jeri 10 Jan 21 - 10:37 AM
Donuel 10 Jan 21 - 09:54 AM
Donuel 10 Jan 21 - 09:49 AM
Donuel 10 Jan 21 - 09:40 AM
The Sandman 10 Jan 21 - 08:58 AM
Raggytash 10 Jan 21 - 08:47 AM
Donuel 10 Jan 21 - 08:04 AM
Donuel 10 Jan 21 - 07:52 AM
Steve Shaw 10 Jan 21 - 05:06 AM
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DMcG 10 Jan 21 - 03:47 AM
The Sandman 10 Jan 21 - 03:08 AM
leeneia 10 Jan 21 - 02:00 AM
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punkfolkrocker 09 Jan 21 - 09:15 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 02:43 PM

What's all this last minute dangerous secret mission bollocks then...??????????

LINDELL: TRUMP will be PRESIDENT!


I haven't a clue who these trumpzis are, but wtf...!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 01:42 PM

Many republicans are not identifying as such is my conclusion


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 12:08 PM

13% of Republicans polled said Trump should be removed
94% Democrats said Trump should be removed


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Jeri
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 12:05 PM

Maggie, they may be forced to talk to each other and compromise. I'd rather they didn't have to, but I don't think it'll be a bad thing. As long as McConnell, and his "we're not going to do our jobs - or anything much at all" - crew are out of power.

I do remember when Democrats COULD have gotten things done, but were too busy fighting amongst themselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 11:53 AM

Trump is fortunate. He should count his blessings no matter how few there are. I know those pesky branchs of government like Congress and the Supream Court, Trump could do without, but if he indeed had the kind of government like his pal/lover in Russia and North Korea, he would have been dealt with far more harshly and secretly than back here in the ol US of A.

Let Trump be Trump
in the ash heap of history.
He is not worthy to be
king of the rats

The rat stampede wants safe passage. Individual rats claim "that was then this is now', I didn't know, He must have changed, I didn't see it coming but I wouldn't change a thing, Let my constituancy decide if I did right, I was just following orders-I mean protocol, I aws following FOX.
   
In law there is a measure of a man called the reasonable man. In short if an uneducated impoverished man does the same crime as a well privildged person, the harvard educated person is in a sense more guilty. The "reasonable man" has other meanings as well.


a correction: the other 25th 'like' ammendment for president removal is in the 14th ammendment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 10:47 AM

I also decided to live dangerously and looked in on the Twitter feed of an acquaintance who (alas) was a Trump supporter (I haven't asked lately if he makes a distinction between the GOP and Trump's brand of the party). At any rate, one of his favorite commentators suggested that the horror of having the House, the Senate, and the White House all in Democratic hands for the next two years is unprecedented. Except it isn't. The last time it happened was the first two years of the Obama administration, at which time his work was slowed almost to a stop by the infamous "blue dog Democrats," those Democrats from traditionally GOP states who were so afraid of losing their jobs that they couldn't support the party. After two years the GOP won enough seats to take over leadership in the house and they did the dirty work of opposing the first African American president.

I think the Democrats are in less turmoil amongst themselves right now, but we shall see. They don't have much wiggle room for dissent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Jeri
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 10:37 AM

I flipped on Fox for a couple minutes. Apparently, the media crack-down on Trump is because radical Democrat (which is all of them, if you listen) are trying to shut down free speech.

This is always what those people who want to incite violence say. "WAAAA - they won't let us tell people to kill those we don't agree with -WAAAAAH!" They were saying this sort of thing happens in "communist China".

Well, sort of. The leader of the country demands loyalists murder enemies of the state. THAT'S what usually happens.

Personally, I wouldn't mind the FBI checking out Fox, but that probably WOULD be a violation of free speech.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 09:54 AM

A terrible way of saying it would be "Psychology trumps philosophy"


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 09:49 AM

Perhaps it is easier for you or others to believe that citizens who feel like they have been cheated abd abused all their life by the powers that be, are most prone to be radicalized by propoganda. Its true but I say it goes deeper than that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 09:40 AM

Sandman I empathize with your idea about certain types of education shapes minds to be too prone for propoganda. A credo to think for yourself would be worthwhile. At the same time we have to climb upon the shoulders of giants who have developed great truths in order to keep growing.

I have said before, it is more innate for the human mind to be hypnotised than we would expect. Education of an open minded kind will suit us better for this age than the 19th century education that had to support mercantilism. (endless desks of accountants rather than one computer).

^Reality formation is a very plastic and maluable thing. This quality of the mind may have an advantage to the species or not but it has persisted. Knowing this truth is an antibody to the mallevolent abuse of our susceptability.^

I don't know if you have a mind set that hypnosis is a stage or parlor trick or if you understand clinical hypnosis fully.
Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire if you know what I mean..
This has been my 20 year message and I'm sticking to it based on what I have seen in 20 years as a hypnotist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 08:58 AM

I am not quoting anyone why should I be?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 08:47 AM

Dick, who are you quoting in your post of 03.08?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 08:04 AM

Oh well you can't save te world quickly, it will long hard work like what Mandella did for South Africa. That is still a work in progress but it started with a TRUTH Commission just to air what was happening from all perspectives.
The American Taliban aka Nazis aka Trumpers need to be invited to the table to talk instead of bomb. Yes the sanity challenged need to have leaders at the meetings with Biden.

Its your choice for    CHAOS   OR   COMMUNITY


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 07:52 AM

A rose is a rose...
I abbreviate the diverse coalition of trumpers as Nazis.
There are of course KKK spin offs, bible code thumpers, gun nuts (walnut, hazel and pea), militia wannabes, teenagers for the wall, Qanon psychotics, AM radio ss shock jock fans for Rush Limbaugh and others that are in the mob.
It would be better if they were not unified under one Trump 'banner'... Speaking of 'Bannon' he has more than Trump to add to the current state of affairs. If Karl Rove was Bush's brain then Steve Bannon is Trump's brain.

leenia is so right about Pense and the ultimate betrayal he must feel.

I would say more but I have to go save the world... :^/


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 05:06 AM

Then there's the role of social media. There was a woman on Broadcasting House this morning who I think was saying that the two worlds of old, the social media world and the real world, have, worryingly, merged into one, and she was questioning the unfettered private-enterprise power of the massive social media companies. I didn't hear it properly as I was in the shower at the time, so I'll give it another listen later to make sure I didn't get what she saying arse about face... a bit like me in the shower did I hear you say...?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 04:34 AM

It's gratifying to see a sensible and measured discussion emerging in this thread. I hope that we can keep it up.

To respond to DMcG, I agree with what you say when you compare the rise of the Nazis in the 30s with what went on last week (and its long build-up since 2016). But I do believe, despite the threat which I would not wish to understate, that there is still enough backbone in western democracies on both sides of the Atlantic to see off the kind of assault we saw last week. There was a severe fragility in German society at that time, in a country recently ravaged by a war that had decimated its young generation and left the country's economy and infrastructure in tatters, ripe conditions for a charismatic despot to hoodwink millions of people into believing in the false hope and nationalist exceptionalism he was peddling. We've seen echoes of some of that in Trump as he appealed to the "left behind" and in "make America great again." but the conditions in the country were nowhere near as conducive to his dream of takeover as they were for Hitler. I want to think that Trump's populist shenanigans will prove to be self-limiting and that there will be sufficient outrage and revulsion to prevent anyone like him from getting power again. That will take work in the form of serious public debate and self-examination - and education. I can't think of any American leader in my sentient lifetime that I've been even remotely a fan of, but we now need Joe to give us a few years of calm. And we need to think very carefully about the actions to be taken against Trump. We don't need a fallen hero, or a martyr, constantly stirring it in the background. I don't know what we can do about his dynasty, however. Americans do seem to love their dynasties...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 03:47 AM

[Being called N@zi] While they may well justifiably be applied to a few ringleaders, they may not justifiably be applied to millions of people who are simply misguided Trump supporters

The snag is, that was true in the 1930s as well. I have recently read "They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933–45' which is largely based on interviews with 'ordinary' Germans, not military officers. Many could also be classed as 'simply misguided.'

However, I don't it too helpful to dwell on analogies from the past here: there are similarities and differences.

On the impeachment question: I think it important to consider the 2022 Senate elections as well. There are 20 Republican senators up for re-election, as well as 14 Democrat. By framing the impeachment as about the protecting the Constitution or Trump, it goes a long way towards forcing those 20 to declare themselves for the Constitution or for Trump, and either risks splitting their support, so helps the Democrats. Of course, these are politicians so avoiding such traps is something they are all experienced in. Nevertheless, the trap awaits.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 03:08 AM

The education system suits the present establishment , they do not want people to question, challenge or solve problems, yet many of our advances were made by challenging the system , an example Galileo, who met with great opposition from the Roman Catholic church. if people are not educated to challenge or question ,how can they discern truth from propoganda. Let us take Trump, Trump like most politicians is a puppet but he is a naughty puppet and a cunning operator, he has manipulated his supporters [ some of whom were shot] by posing as anti establishment, but does he have an ulterior motive is he [by getting his supporters to storm the capitol] warning the american establishment that if he is impeachd, he will expose other american politicians corruption. If people are not educated to challenge question and solve problems how can they discern or learn how to recognise hate speech and misinformation, If people are educated only in the style of Gradgrind[ Dickens Hard Times] of only facts they are ideal recipients for propaganda posing as facts


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: leeneia
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 02:00 AM

I am not a Republican, but I'm human enough to want to know how Vice President Mike Pence is faring. Apparently he has gone into seclusion. In my opinion Pence has suffered something like being raped by a relative. Trump set a lawless mob upon him.

I've seen Trump's "incitement" speech and I've seen footage of the mob inside the Capitol. At first the people on the Capitol lawn seemed obnoxious but not dangerous. But the mob in the hallway where Ashli Babbitt was shot was vicious, lawless and looking for somebody to destroy. And the main person they were looking for was the person Trump pointed at - his Vice President, Mike Pence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 09:54 PM

I have been very reticent about using the 'other' N word. For one thing, I think there IS a distinction to be made between the @zis of the 30s and 40s and the 'wanna-bes' of today. The majority of them in the far-right websites in America have no real idea of what the real ones were like. Take a look at "Garden of Beasts" for a mild reminder. And use of the term in this thread is more likely to remind us of a bad Seinfeld episode than to make a valid point about Trmp supporters.

For another thing, this ain't over. There ARE folks in the wings who do strive to be like the original. I've schlepped through D. Duke's "My Awakening" and it appeared to me to be long, repetitive, (unconvincing), but a genuine attempt to parallel "Mein Kampf" in an American environment.

And these people are distinct from Trmp and his kind. Indeed, Trmp overcame a great gulf since he has supposed Jewish in-laws and grandchildren. I think what may very well happen is that in the fallout from his failures, he will simply be re-labeled as a Jew himself.

Trmp has severe personality flaws and is despicable besides. And his great 'contribution' by which I mean damage is that he has been a diverter from what is really worth concentrating on in our national life. I don't think that is planned, just among the results of the effects of TMI on the world due to the nature of the data spigot of the social network combined with cult of celebrity. A sad revelation but we are subject to influences we have not learned to control.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 09:36 PM

I keep reading, both here and elsewhere, that more than 70 million people voted for Trump. In fact, 70 million people voted against the Democratic party. Many of those would vote for a stick with rosette on it, so long as the the rosette was red and said Republican. As the sitting President, Trump got pretty much a free ride to the 2020 nomination. In 2016, it would appear that not everyone realised just how ridiculous he would turn out to be. If he tries again in 2024, Republican party members will know what to expect. Forewarned is forearmed. Trump is a spent force. I think we should be more worried about Donald Jr. or Ivanka stepping up to the plate, maybe not in 2024, but in years to come.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 09:15 PM

well.. I not an expert, but I'm hoping the @ throws off search engines...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 09:07 PM

I agree with that. The @ symbol is a wonderful way of not having to be literal in the lingo. And bugger me sideways with a bent banana if it isn't five past two and way past my bedtime...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 08:56 PM

Steve - I do tend to agree with you, and usually refer to the shittest human beings
as neo n@zis, or fascistic..

Though, trumpzis, and nutzis, and any other "....zis" folks can make up to take the piss out of the c@nts, is fair game...

.. c@ntzis...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 08:25 PM

My view has always been that the term Nazi should be applied, more or less exclusively, to the contemporary active supporters of the Hitler regime. There are plenty of dictators who have acted just like Nazis, and there are hopefuls in most western countries who would like to act like Nazis. But to chuck the term around lazily is to severely devalue the historical horror of the true Nazis in the thirties and forties. Here's a case in point: I severely dislike and condemn the Israeli regime for the inhuman, often murderous, way they discriminate against non-Jews in the West Bank and Gaza. But many's the time on this and on several other forums that I've bitten back against anyone on my side of this argument who calls the Israelis Nazis. Quite simply, they are not, and the insult is intended to remind them, as hurtfully as possible, what real Nazis did to the Jews and to somehow equate the regimes behaviour with that. That's just wicked. The other thing is that we can find different words. We are not inarticulate. Even "neo-Nazi" does at least make some distinction. Far right, white supremacists, stuff like that. All fine. I want Nazi to mean someone of a Hitler-supporting mindset that affords no compunction to that person when it comes to blind discrimination and unfettered, state-supported evil-doing. Let's not misuse and devalue the term on this forum is what I'm saying. In m'humble.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 07:58 PM

If a certain type of person was called a n@zi 80 years ago,
and a very similar type of person could now be called a 'trumpzi'..

They are still the same kind of person...

They have existed under one name or another throughout the ages.....

Hopefully, for all our safety, a significant numbers of trump supporters are still salvageable...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 07:38 PM

I'm not denying their existence and I'm not complacent. But I repeat: millions of people supported Trump, they are not by any means all Nazis (incidentally, please define...) and we need to win them back.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 07:34 PM

There are at least 17 known Neo-Nazi organisations that are extant in US. it is dangerous to deny their existence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 07:17 PM

I'll try again. There are half a dozen posts in this thread just today which are likening Americans to Hitler/Nazis. This is neither sensible nor constructive, nor does it exactly make this forum look great. I tried to say this in a very brief post, but the Nazi allusions are still there yet my cavil was deleted. These references are lazy and throwaway, and while they may well justifiably be applied to a few ringleaders, they may not justifiably be applied to millions of people who are simply misguided Trump supporters. They are people who need to be won back in droves. There are far better ways of doing that than by name-calling and branding.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 05:42 PM

It's time for trial by combat, Lets get ready to rumblllllllllllle. In this corner Ser Gregor Clegane at 385 lbs fighting in abesntia of Donald Trump and in this corner Joe Biden at 142 lbs. You can hear the wind of Ser Gregor's sword as it is swung in circles above his head.
Joe points a phaser at Gregor and vaporizes all but his sword saying "I believe in science". Cries of 'unfair' rigged and cheated can be heard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 04:55 PM

Robo, I would wait until they are standing next to each other like in the Red Dwarf despair squid episode.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 03:39 PM

Well I liked it 4 years ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 03:29 PM

HAHAHA And here comes Steve limping out onto the field in his too tight referee outfit and whistles my post dead and issues a red card for saying NAZI.

I'm watching video of your 'patriotic protestors' wearing Tee Shirts that say Camp Aushwitz work sets you free and grey shirts that say 6MENE. Translated it means Six Million Exterminated Not Enough.

I suppose Steve thinks a proper Nazi should have gone to finishing school with the Hitler Youth like the prior Pope.
I liked your joke.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 03:14 PM

Okay, dumb dumb joke time, and like Steve's, this is a reframed famous joke:

You are in a locked room with Josef Stalin, Adolf Hitler, and Donald Trmp. Fortune has allocated you with a Colt 45 loaded with two bullets.

What do you do?













Shoot Donald twice, to be sure.

It's a JOKE!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 03:03 PM

Yes, it is unfair, trumpists are giving n@zis a bad name...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 03:00 PM

I'll just leaven the bread with this little aside, fretting not a jot about its appropriateness:

There is a plane carrying 5 passengers: Nicola Sturgeon, Boris Johnson, Donald Trump, the Pope and a 10-year-old school boy.

The plane begins to go down and is about to crash. There are only 4 parachutes on board.

Nicola Sturgeon says "I have to live, I have the Scottish independence to sort out," and takes a parachute and jumps.

The Pope says "I have to live, I have to sort out the Catholic Church," and takes a parachute and jumps.

Donald Trump says "I have to live, I'm the smartest man in America," and takes a parachute and jumps.

Boris Johnson looks at the 10-year-old school boy and says "You can have the last parachute. I'm a lot older than you and I've lived my life, yours has yet to begin."

The school boy says "Don't worry Mr Johnson. There's two parachutes left. The smartest man in America just took my school bag."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 02:18 PM

Speaking of relatives, Melania is a sharp cookie, knows what she wants and is the most staunch deal maker.
Remember when she refused to move down to the White House with trump in 2016. Until she got a favorable renegotiated pre nup she did not budge. She insisted on a child, her parents immigration and mo money.

I picture Don Jr. on horseback wielding a sword along with his cavalry on race horses, polo ponies and Buffalo hunters. Bill Barr is saddled on a mule and Eric is racing RC cars.

I have Rudy dressed like Napoleon and Ivanka is singing diamonds are a girl's best friend.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 01:54 PM

I watched the video of Lincoln Project’s Rick Wilson and also this one on the same page.

Mary Trump Predicts A “Dangerous” Next Two Weeks Under the Trump Administration

Among other topics, Mary Trump mentions some of the many challenges Trump will probably be facing after he leaves office.

Also Mary Trump, a clinical psychologist, has evaluated DT and presents the case that DT ticks many of the boxes for sociopathy.

Personally, having worked with a number of people over the years who also appeared to exhibit sociopathic behaviours, I know that they can charm their friends and colleagues into believing all sorts of things. They do it with complete conviction because they believe themselves to be special, invincible, better than the rest of humanity, and entitled to do whatever they want regardless of the effect on others and with no apparent moral compass. When/if the scales fall from the eyes of their supporters it becomes very difficult for them to cope with the fact that the sociopath has used them, chewed them up and spit them out without a second glance as s/he goes on her/his merry way with the next target or project in sight.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 12:45 PM

Fox is doubling down in sarcastic tones referring to the "so called threats of violence" and gleefully attacking Geraldo Rivera for "repeating Democrat talking points". They are in NNM nazi normalization mode.


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Subject: RE: BS: robo Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 12:31 PM

Mr. Red Hotcold You're such a titillating dear. My bet is that we are all unique desite the obvious similarities.
Left to simmer, there is enough deep seated skum to float to the top along with trump fat and then be spooned out of the pot.
It seems if one can predict events and later claim they were right they WIN the mudcat BS game. Meanwhile there are the sore losers.

I have this cartoon of Donald Jr leading the tip of the spear charge of a light brigade into the teeth of hundreds of tanks. Jr's caption "were havin fun huntin you down" caption for tanks "fire".


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 12:05 PM

DonTrumpuel:

You are the only one I know who can oscillate and fibrillate at the same time!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 10:58 AM

robo i was 'inoculated' as well.














































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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 10:55 AM

A quick legal Q&A
Who is culpable? Mea Culpa
Who intended crime in their mind? Mens Rea.

Main Stream Media was an enabler imo in the failure to call White Supremacy a brewing evil in all of its excuses, goons, mobs, REAL AMERICANS and those who burned and rioted blaming it on a ethereal mass movement called antifa.

Some of the rioters and looters have practice in the field and consider themselves veteran soldiers. Stalin said when one person is murdered its a tradgedy but a million are a statisic. He also said how people vote doesn't matter, what matters is who counts votes.

Of 20% of Trump voters who will fight in place for their feurer the actual number will be much lower for those who will travel for engagement, so Inauguration day will have a few too many Nazi instigators.
I suspect they will keep their promise. This time we might listen and learn who the real enemy and 5th columnists are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 10:46 AM

I was raised by a scientist father who thought it important that I have a (mild) religious education.

Kind of like a vaccine. I grew to appreciate it when I was at school and the Campus Crusade for Christ came by. Having a background in the language and stories of religion has not only been useful but inspirational. But my version keeps me interested and with no feeling that I have all the answers. Indeed, my personal religion is to keep questioning, including questioning myself.

And so whether or not one believes in God, I think one of the great lessons of God is that whatever, whoever God is, it's NOT YOU.

This may be the flaw in Trump's personal makeup. And one of the things that makes him unsuitable to be a Commander in Chief. We all have delusions, if only the delusion that we have no delusions, but that one fatal flaw, to confuse oneself with divinity, does not end well. It's one of the reasons that Trump lets down EVERYONE who believes in him. Because the one being he can't conceive of letting down is himself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 10:41 AM

plus you have trump's malevolent arsehole son perpetuating the nutzi shit stirring...


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Subject: RE: BS: name for trumps new social media
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 09:58 AM

covfefemax

(whoops, I see you beat me to twatter, Sandman)


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Subject: RE: BS: name for trumps new social media
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 09:46 AM

There are already existimg available platforms like News One and AHC. They call it the American Heros Channel but I call it the All Hitler Channel-they really do broadcast Hitler documentaries 24/7


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 09:36 AM

And where, pray, does that statistic come from?

I think that gillymor, DMcG and I are on the same page now apropos of the impeachment process requirements. The banning from future office-holding can only be brought about after a Senate trial and a supermajority vote. What still isn't clear to me is whether it would be constitutional to go ahead with the whole process, including the Senate trial, after he's left office. Another point is that it's important to not conflate what the Senate does and what the criminal justice system does: impeachment is not intended to lead to punishment, and it doesn't enjoy anything like the same due process requirements.

His resignation would be owned by him. Amendment 25 would be owned, probably, by Mike Pence. Impeachment, if successful and leading to a ban from future office, would be seen to be owned by the Democratic Party. I've put them in the order of desirability as I see it, from best to worst. If none of those things happens, and there ends up being a criminal trial, which would be protracted, I think your country would be in hot water for a very long time. He did get an awful lot of voters behind him, and martyrdom would likely follow... Be careful what you wish for, and be even more careful what you charge him with.

We could be in for quite an interesting few days.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: peteglasgow
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 09:36 AM

....also enabling trump seems to have been the evangelical christian churches. will they be able to change their tune? maybe accept a bit of humility? there should be a fair amount of cognitive dissonance going around - will it change much in the US? i really don't know whether we should be horrified or encouraged by recent events and what will happen next.....


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Subject: RE: BS: name for trumps new social media
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 09:05 AM

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