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BS: Trump Actions and Effects

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Donuel 12 Jan 21 - 10:49 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 12:05 PM

The drafters of the constitution never foresaw semi auto machine guns either,
but it don't stop amendments being cynically manipulated and distorted to suit partisan 21st century agendas...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 11:57 AM

Doesn't mean it can't be used now .......... does it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 10:49 AM

As discussed earlier, the 14th has never been used.
It was created as a response to the civil war ending.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 10:36 AM

An article regarding section 3 of the 14th amendment by Bruce Ackerman also appeared in the Washington Post this morning.
WaPo
It sounds like a good alternative to Impeachment but there needs to be a thorough investigation into all the wrongdoing of the current administration by Congress and all relevant agencies or we risk seeing another would-be strongman attempt to overthrow our government.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: DMcG
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 09:15 AM

Interesting article here, copied from a live feed. I don't know how widely it is being discussed.

John Nichols writes for the Nation on how a 14th Amendment strategy could bar Trump from ever holding office again.

To imagine that Trump will fade away after January 20 requires the denial of everything Americans know about the president’s massive ego, his aversion to being seen as a loser, and his determination to avenge his defeat in the 2020 election.

Added to the Constitution after the Civil War, the 14th Amendment is a blunt instrument, which mandates in its third section: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who … shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”

Section 5 of the amendment declares, “The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”

This is why focusing on the 14th Amendment is relevant. As Pulitzer Prize–winning historian Eric Foner reminds us, the House and Senate House could, with a simple majority vote, censure Trump for inciting insurrection and, with the approval of a President Joe Biden, effectively bar Trump from running again for the presidency.

“This can be invoked against anyone who has ever taken an oath to support the Constitution, including the president,” Foner says of the 14th Amendment. “It’s much simpler than impeachment. It is not a judicial proceeding. It’s a political proceeding. It doesn’t involve lawyers or trials. It is simply about qualification for office. You could have one afternoon of debate and a vote.”

Read more details here: The Nation – How a 14th Amendment strategy could bar Trump from ever holding office again


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 08:02 AM

Reality is glorius and awful but populist fake reality is worse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 07:14 AM

True but exposure to the truth is also more likely to happen in a vacume of the crazy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 07:09 AM

With all this banishment from social media platforms he's no doubt building up a lot of stifled crazy that's sure to burst forth in some manner.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 07:00 AM

a minor note in these days of irony:
It strikes me funny that Tik Tok banned the president before the president could ban Tik Tok.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 06:59 AM

New England Patriots head coach Bill Bellichick refused the Medal of Freedom from trump with an eloquent statement. Pardon my cynicism but the old coach would have lost his locker room if he'd accepted. Besides, trump has obviously cheapened the award when you consider recent recipients, lackeys Devin Nunez and Jim Jordan.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 06:06 AM

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, §?1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §?330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Jos
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 04:10 AM

Even if Donald is removed, that may not be the end of it. I have just seen a video on the Independent's website of Donald Trump junior before the march on the Capitol on Wednesday, saying he was sending:

"a message to all the Republicans who have not been willing to actually fight ... This gathering should send a message to them; this isn't their Republican Party anymore, this is Donald Trump's Republican party."

That sounds to me as if he was encouraging the marchers to "actually fight". And I note that he said it was Donald Trump's party - he didn't say it was Donald J. Trump's party.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Jan 21 - 10:39 PM

.. emerging internet rumours..

trump hired mercenaries to lead the revolutionary storming of democratic govt offices...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 11 Jan 21 - 10:04 PM

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has ruled out Trump's plan to go golfing in Scotland at the time of the inauguration because a trip into Scotland for golf would not be considered "essential travel" during the pandemic.

Bam! There goes a clever plan, right out the window!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Jan 21 - 08:29 PM

Arnie terminates the proud boys and trump...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_P-0I6sAck&t=4s&ab_channel=ArnoldSchwarzenegger


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 11 Jan 21 - 08:08 PM

LOL gilly. I was thinking about the one that might go up around the Capitol!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 11 Jan 21 - 06:52 PM

News Flash- Mexico has agreed to pay for the wall and now Canada wants one too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 21 - 02:11 PM

You would be surprised what repitition reinforcement can do to perfectly normal people. I am not surprised or worried. Many people will get their fix from other media and will abbandon the search or risk radicalization leading to paranoid schizoprenia.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Jan 21 - 10:05 AM

The trump militia rioters I've seen interviewed on BBC news and youtube
do not appear to be all moronic rednecks,
but fairly well educated and articulate..

That should be more worrying...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 21 - 09:37 AM

Parler, Facehook, twitter and many private companies are leaving the conspiracy ship but Fox news is doubling down that violent left wingers are killing free speech.
I know free speech does not apply to private business but they are pretending to not know the difference.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 11 Jan 21 - 09:21 AM

Trump loses PGA championship

Ouch! Poor baby.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 21 - 09:15 AM

The vanguard of rioting men in body armor and kevlar helmets that quickly reached the Senate chamber with tie hand cuffs are not in that video. Yes some people look normal normaly Jack.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 11 Jan 21 - 09:14 AM

lol


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: HuwG
Date: 11 Jan 21 - 09:04 AM

As an aside, I read that the Capitol rioter seen walking off with the Speaker's lectern is to be tried in Florida.

I'd love to be the judge who asks "Will your client be taking the stand?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 11 Jan 21 - 09:03 AM

I've seen video over and over again of a small force of Capitol Police trying to hold off the large mob in the Capitol bldg. and one of them was murdered in the endeavor so I can't get on board with a blanket condemnation of their performance. There were some bad actors among them and that is being investigated. The FBI warned the CP of the possibility of violence at the demonstration but did little to prevent it. It is their job, the FBI, to deal with threats of domestic terrorism and they came up woefully short in that department. There's plenty of blame to go around and no doubt some will find it's way to the White House for failing to act until things were too far along.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 Jan 21 - 08:30 AM

Video of entrance tunnel to the Capitol during the riot

That's the kind of newsgathering I can respect. The photographer worked his way through the crowd right up to the police line. Punctures a few myths:

- there was nothing very odd about the crowd. They weren't inbred freaks, they were normal-looking guys.

- they weren't acting particularly crazy. Very loud but NOWHERE NEAR what you'd see on an average Orange Walk in Glasgow. Nobody shouting violent threats or obscenities.

- with one exception: the group (acting as a coherent unit) who tried rhythmic pushing to use the people in front as a battering ram. They could have caused a Hillsborough-scale catastrophe. What did they think they were going to do, walk in over a carpet of their own side's bodies?

- almost everyone in the crowd must have owned a gun; nobody showed one. Dog in the night time stuff: they had this planned and universally agreed in advance.

One thing that video DOES confirm is how ineffectual the police were. Many different tactics could have stopped the rioters dead - a testudo of shields, tear gas, water cannon, stun grenades. Horatio on the bridge or the 300 Spartans could have done it. The fact that they didn't even try really stinks of collusion (and willingness to sacrifice the officers who got stationed in the front line: you see one of them suffering horribly).


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 11 Jan 21 - 06:39 AM

Conservative Republican Sen. Ben Sasse on Trump's delight in the violence- Huffington Post


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 21 - 12:47 AM

This story of the January 6 seditious attack on the Capitol is still expanding. This new congress member was live-tweeting the location of Nancy Pelosi while the events were happening.

QAnon congresswoman faces calls for arrest after live-tweeting Nancy Pelosi's location to rioters

    Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO), a gun-toting supporter of the QAnon movement, is facing backlash after she was accused of live-tweeting House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's (D-CA) location during the attack on Capitol Hill last week.

    Boebert shared the tweet soon after President Donald Trump's supporters stormed the Capitol with deadly results.

    "The Speaker has been removed from the chambers," Boebert wrote.

    Twitter users responded by calling for the freshman representative to be jailed and removed from Congress.

    "@FBIWFO please arrest @laurenboabert for aiding and abetting those who were hunting down @SpeakerPelosi on Jan, 6th by tweeting the Speaker's whereabouts," one person responded. "She's 5ft tall, 100 pounds and carries a Glock (and won't stop telling everyone)."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 11:39 PM

Be nice, limeway, I almost lost my gummint this week!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 09:16 PM

Yebbut it almost certainly wasn't THAT St John's wort. It's a big genus is Hypericum.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 09:07 PM

Useless fact number seventy-twelve: When I was a student I hired out to be a gardener/ landscaper. One of my early jobs was to clear out a hill of oleander and plant it with hypericum. I did not know at the time that the one was poisonous and the other was St. John's Wort. Did get to see hummingbirds mating....I think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 07:46 PM

I have two oleanders, both in big pots and both spending the winter in my greenhouse (they'd be killed by the cold otherwise). I can make them flower if I put them in my sunshiny porch in summer. I also have two lantana bushes, another plant that you see all over the Med. They are also poisonous in all their parts. They have to tough out the winter in a sheltered outdoor spot by my front door. I love the Mediterranean and I love to have plants that remind me of my sunny holidays in Spain, Italy and Greece. To date, I'm not aware that anyone has nibbled them or tried to distil out the toxins. Foxgloves grow wild in my garden. I probably cultivate enough digoxin to kill half of Bude, but the bees love the flowers so much that I don't think I'll bother.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 06:49 PM

Police Use of Clearview AI's Facial Recognition Tech Spiked After Capitol Raid

    First reported by the New York Times, Clearview AI CEO Hoan Ton-That confirmed to Gizmodo that the app saw a 26% jump in search volume on Jan. 7 compared to its usual weekday averages. Given the aforementioned treasure trove of potential evidence documenting the attack—from live cable news broadcasts to hundreds of images and videos—the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Washington, D.C. police have called for the public’s help in identifying participants. Roughly 2,400 polices agencies nationwide have contracts to use Clearview’s facial recognition software, according to the company, and several of them have reportedly been turning to it to assist federal investigators.

    Detectives at the Miami Police Department are using Clearview’s tech to identify rioters in images and videos of the attack and forwarding suspect leads to the FBI, per the Times. Earlier this week, the Wall Street Journal reported that an Alabama police department was also employing Clearview’s tech to ID faces in footage and sending potential matches along to federal investigators.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 06:20 PM

A person selling oleandrin as a cure can only be a person who has no concern for the sanctity of human life. IMHO.

Oleandrin is a toxic cardiac glycoside found in the poisonous plant, oleander (Nerium oleander L.).[1] As a main phytochemical of oleander, oleandrin is associated with the toxicity of oleander sap, and has similar properties to digoxin.[1]

Oleander has been used in traditional medicine for its presumed therapeutic purposes, such as for treating cardiac insufficiency. There is no clinical evidence that oleander or its constituents, including oleandrin, are safe or effective. Oleandrin is not approved by regulatory agencies as a prescription drug or dietary supplement.[1]

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Toxicity

Oleandrin has been reported to be lethal.[1] In one fatality, the blood concentration of oleandrin and a related cardiac glycoside from the oleander plant was estimated at 20 ng/ml.[9] In practice, there have been adult cases wherein 14-20 oleander leaves (of unknown oleandrin concentration) proved not to be fatal, but also a lethal case of a child that consumed only one leaf.[10]


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 05:57 PM

Oleander is a beautiful shrub or small tree that, to me, is the signature plant of the Mediterranean. Like many plants it's poisonous in all its parts. Same can be said about foxgloves, yew, poinsettia, arum lilies, daffodil bulbs, thorn apples, Daphne mezereon, potato leaves and fruits and a host of others. The thing most of them have in common is that you're hardly tempted to eat them. Enjoy them and keep your kids away if it worries you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 05:19 PM

OMG, oleandrin??!! Everyone in Oz knows that the oleander tree is toxic. No right minded Australian would touch that with a ten foot pole.

I thought I had heard everything, but that really tops the lot.

Oleander, very pretty and the oleander flower is sweet, but the leaves (and all the rest) of the oleander are impossible to eat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 05:02 PM

For years the radical right has said The Democrat's Hair is on Fire.
It looks like the D's are rather calm and contemplative and the right is litterally out of their #$!~%*NG minds.

pfr, Mike Lindell is a pillow salesman who with Trump's help tried to sell oleandrin, a toxic poison, as a cure for Covid 19.
To be fair oleandrin is safer than bleach.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 02:43 PM

What's all this last minute dangerous secret mission bollocks then...??????????

LINDELL: TRUMP will be PRESIDENT!


I haven't a clue who these trumpzis are, but wtf...!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 01:42 PM

Many republicans are not identifying as such is my conclusion


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 12:08 PM

13% of Republicans polled said Trump should be removed
94% Democrats said Trump should be removed


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Jeri
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 12:05 PM

Maggie, they may be forced to talk to each other and compromise. I'd rather they didn't have to, but I don't think it'll be a bad thing. As long as McConnell, and his "we're not going to do our jobs - or anything much at all" - crew are out of power.

I do remember when Democrats COULD have gotten things done, but were too busy fighting amongst themselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 11:53 AM

Trump is fortunate. He should count his blessings no matter how few there are. I know those pesky branchs of government like Congress and the Supream Court, Trump could do without, but if he indeed had the kind of government like his pal/lover in Russia and North Korea, he would have been dealt with far more harshly and secretly than back here in the ol US of A.

Let Trump be Trump
in the ash heap of history.
He is not worthy to be
king of the rats

The rat stampede wants safe passage. Individual rats claim "that was then this is now', I didn't know, He must have changed, I didn't see it coming but I wouldn't change a thing, Let my constituancy decide if I did right, I was just following orders-I mean protocol, I aws following FOX.
   
In law there is a measure of a man called the reasonable man. In short if an uneducated impoverished man does the same crime as a well privildged person, the harvard educated person is in a sense more guilty. The "reasonable man" has other meanings as well.


a correction: the other 25th 'like' ammendment for president removal is in the 14th ammendment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 10:47 AM

I also decided to live dangerously and looked in on the Twitter feed of an acquaintance who (alas) was a Trump supporter (I haven't asked lately if he makes a distinction between the GOP and Trump's brand of the party). At any rate, one of his favorite commentators suggested that the horror of having the House, the Senate, and the White House all in Democratic hands for the next two years is unprecedented. Except it isn't. The last time it happened was the first two years of the Obama administration, at which time his work was slowed almost to a stop by the infamous "blue dog Democrats," those Democrats from traditionally GOP states who were so afraid of losing their jobs that they couldn't support the party. After two years the GOP won enough seats to take over leadership in the house and they did the dirty work of opposing the first African American president.

I think the Democrats are in less turmoil amongst themselves right now, but we shall see. They don't have much wiggle room for dissent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Jeri
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 10:37 AM

I flipped on Fox for a couple minutes. Apparently, the media crack-down on Trump is because radical Democrat (which is all of them, if you listen) are trying to shut down free speech.

This is always what those people who want to incite violence say. "WAAAA - they won't let us tell people to kill those we don't agree with -WAAAAAH!" They were saying this sort of thing happens in "communist China".

Well, sort of. The leader of the country demands loyalists murder enemies of the state. THAT'S what usually happens.

Personally, I wouldn't mind the FBI checking out Fox, but that probably WOULD be a violation of free speech.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 09:54 AM

A terrible way of saying it would be "Psychology trumps philosophy"


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 09:49 AM

Perhaps it is easier for you or others to believe that citizens who feel like they have been cheated abd abused all their life by the powers that be, are most prone to be radicalized by propoganda. Its true but I say it goes deeper than that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 09:40 AM

Sandman I empathize with your idea about certain types of education shapes minds to be too prone for propoganda. A credo to think for yourself would be worthwhile. At the same time we have to climb upon the shoulders of giants who have developed great truths in order to keep growing.

I have said before, it is more innate for the human mind to be hypnotised than we would expect. Education of an open minded kind will suit us better for this age than the 19th century education that had to support mercantilism. (endless desks of accountants rather than one computer).

^Reality formation is a very plastic and maluable thing. This quality of the mind may have an advantage to the species or not but it has persisted. Knowing this truth is an antibody to the mallevolent abuse of our susceptability.^

I don't know if you have a mind set that hypnosis is a stage or parlor trick or if you understand clinical hypnosis fully.
Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire if you know what I mean..
This has been my 20 year message and I'm sticking to it based on what I have seen in 20 years as a hypnotist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 08:58 AM

I am not quoting anyone why should I be?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 08:47 AM

Dick, who are you quoting in your post of 03.08?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 08:04 AM

Oh well you can't save te world quickly, it will long hard work like what Mandella did for South Africa. That is still a work in progress but it started with a TRUTH Commission just to air what was happening from all perspectives.
The American Taliban aka Nazis aka Trumpers need to be invited to the table to talk instead of bomb. Yes the sanity challenged need to have leaders at the meetings with Biden.

Its your choice for    CHAOS   OR   COMMUNITY


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