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BS: Trump Actions and Effects

Steve Shaw 21 Oct 21 - 04:24 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 04:24 PM

No need to shout, Maggie. I read all responses to my posts before posting again. Oh yes, he could have resigned in protest at being ordered to make that speech. He even said so himself, actually. And there is a massive connection to Trump in what happened at that time. Telling massive lies in order to advance your nefarious cause became a thing under Bush and Blair that you could now get away with. Even be responsible, via your lies, for hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths, yet still win your next election, which they both did. Don't think for one minute that this was lost on Donald Trump and Boris Johnson. More sinister still is that Trump lied his way through four years of presidency and came out just as strong. He got even more votes than the time before. Biden vs Trump next time round? Don't waste your dollars betting on Biden. So when did the big lying start, Maggie?

Colin Powell came across as an upright kind of bloke who naively made a terrible mistake. At least he was contrite. But I'm afraid that his mistake will always be an ineradicable part of his legacy. I'm sure he's up there with the angels.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 04:07 PM

The trial of Donald Trump the game show star and President will be in part history repeating itself.

"Fame, like a two-edgíd Sword, does cut both ways,
And equally, doth praise Men, and dispraise,
Cśsar and Pompey were surnamed Great,
By Sycophants, and in their own Gazett,
Being great Cons and Butchers, they great Fame did get."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 02:01 PM

For the record, I got intelligence reports, too, and they said *it was strongly indicated* there were WMDs there. What Gen Powell knew was what intelligence people in the field told him. It was still a supposition, and was not enough to start a war over.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 01:13 PM

The gears of Justice move slowly, perhaps too slowly. Trump is not even close to being tried for his insurrection violence or any of his other crimes. Even the Parkland mass shooter is finally getting his day in court and that tradjedy happened years ago.

I watched Four Hours at the Capitol last night. I hope the work recieves awards. It is POWERFUL.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 10:43 AM

certainty he expressed to the UN was completely unjustified, and, worse, he knew it.

He didn't "know it."

He could have resigned. We can forgive him for his naivity but let's at least not view the vile consequences of his actions through rose-coloured glasses.

No, he couldn't resign if he didn't agree with the politicians.

Have you heard nothing General Milley said last month and before? He served under Trump to protect the country and to do his job, and it isn't a political job, it's a military job. You don't quit your military job because you have a political disagreement.

The thing with Trump is that he was able to get military people fired when they were doing their jobs (think of the Vindman twins), but they didn't quit.

Steve, this thread is about Trump's actions and effects. Stop trashing Powell, move on to the subject of the thread or move on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 08:50 AM

Yes Gilly times change.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 08:31 AM

I'm not very keen on the insinuation that criticising Powell means that I may be racist. That is just cheap. Let me remind you that I have said that, in spite of my criticism of him, St Peter would still have let him in. OK?

Yes he might have been politically naive. But going to the UN to tell the Bush/Blair lies, lies that were going to drive an illegal war that killed all those civilians and which any bloody fool could see was going to visit all kinds of chaos and inhumanity on the region and beyond. A man in his position, expressing such rock-solid certainty...a massive error that had massive repercussions. Just one more thing, going back to that time. There were plenty of Bush/Blair dissenters in this country who KNEW that those two were determined to go to war, come what may. We stood in the streets to protest, etc., well before it all kicked off. We watched with dismay as the weapons inspectors were determinedly sidelined. Blair lied to Parliament. Lied. We knew he was lying. We knew there was no evidence of those weapons because we knew that if they'd existed they'd have been plastered all over the media in order to get us onside. Ordinary people may not have been seeing the intelligence but we knew at least that there was something wrong. Colin Powell saw all this yet his speech contained not one scintilla of doubt. We all know that intelligence is often dodgy and always incomplete. He could have said no to Bush, yes he could. He could have resigned. We can forgive him for his naivity but let's at least not view the vile consequences of his actions through rose-coloured glasses.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 08:01 AM

As you often do, you're mashing up two separate eras for gawd knows what reason.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 07:55 AM

Its less nuanced than that.
In Trump World, Colin Powell was everything they hate; Harlem born of Jamaican immigrants, a Never Trumper, a defender of Democracy and not white. He was the Jackie Robinson of high US goverment office with the exception of Thurgood Marshall. I can not help but suspect a deep seated racist hatred by Powell's critics. In 1996 Colin said he could no longer be a Republican as the party became more anti diversity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 07:34 AM

Thanks for that insight, Charmion.
To me Secretary Powell was one of the finest public servants of my lifetime who got railroaded by several of the worst. I don't give him a pass on his involvement in the Irag affair but it doesn't nullify all the good things he did for this country as a soldier and a diplomat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Charmion
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 07:25 AM

Iím not a Yank, Steve, but I agree with the consensus here that General Powell was far more sinned against than sinning. I donít believe he *knew* the intelligence upon which he based his decision was dishonest. Reliable? Thatís different; any intelligence assessment can be both wildly unreliable and completely tru-blue honest at the same time.

As a well-trained, widely experienced combat veteran, he was singularly ill-prepared for American-style national and international politics. In Army World, everyone on your side is fighting the same enemy you are for the same reasons, and deliberately feeding duff gen to your chain of command is a mortal sin, if not treason.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 06:36 PM

I absolutely know what you're trying to tell me. The irreducible fact is that he was complicit in peddling a terrible lie that, ultimately, led to misery and death for hundreds of thousands of non-combatants. His contrition, no matter how genuine (and I believe it was) can never mitigate the consequences of his part in the unjust invasion of Iraq. The obstinate point here is that the certainty he expressed to the UN was completely unjustified, and, worse, he knew it. I understand how you yanks want to cling to any scrap of integrity that you can find in your failed statesmen, and how we shouldn't speak ill of the dead, etc., but this guy aided and abetted the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians. Not only that, he helped to legitimise the political expediency of telling barefaced lies, a phenomenon that we are currently reaping the whirlwind of.

I'm sure that he was a lovely man. You need to be a damn sight more than that when you are in one of the most powerful positions on the planet. He failed that test. However, were I to believe in heaven and hell, which I don't, then I feel that St Peter might just, on a fine balance, give him the benefit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Charmion
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 06:33 PM

General Powell was yet more collateral damage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 06:05 PM

https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/colin-powell-quotes


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 04:32 PM

That's on the CIA and on Dubya wanting to one-up his old man as far as war. What we're trying to tell you, Steve.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 02:03 PM

...and a quarter of a million civilian deaths, Bill...?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 01:04 PM

Steve... Powell was assured by the CIA and Bush that they had solid evidence of WMDs. They wanted a statement immediately... he gave them he benefit of the doubt and read it......... and began to suspect a problem and regret it within a very short time.
   Yes, we can play "shoot the messenger", but General Powell's loyalty as a good soldier was at once a virtue... and a problem.
   He did suffer for his attempt to follow the lead of those who simply wanted the invasion. For me, it doesn't tarnish his basic character & legacy much at all.. the 'mistake' should be only a footnote in the history books on the pages describing how Cheney..thru Bush.. pushed this story.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 12:07 PM

The Trump Administration Used Its Food Aid Program for Political Gain, Congressional Investigators Find

The Food to Families program, touted by Ivanka Trump, gave tens of millions of dollars to unqualified firms and was also used to promote then-President Trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 06:21 AM

Ivanka Trump in charge of a 6 billion dollar food program, what could go wrong with talent like that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 03:47 AM

I've read the.Colin Powell story very carefully in recent days. I know about the CIA's part. He made those claims at the UN in the kind of words I've described knowing that he'd seen no evidence and that he was passing on what he definitely should have known to have been a potential untruth, yet his words transmitted certainty. He held one of the highest and most influential offices in the western world. There's plenty of connection with his time and Trump. He suffered later for his lies but Blair and Bush both got away with it (they both won their next elections, for example). They discovered that lies, even ones that kill thousands, can be a useful political ploy. Since then we've had two of the worst serial liars in political history in power in our two countries. Bush, Blair, Powell, Johnson and Trump found that lies can suit your political agenda very nicely.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 09:18 PM

When Bannon is sitting in jail he will communicate with the Proud Boys to break him out. It will be called operation Base Steal day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 09:16 PM

But this thread is about Trump.

The Trump Administration Used Its Food Aid Program for Political Gain, Congressional Investigators Find
The Food to Families program, touted by Ivanka Trump, gave tens of millions of dollars to unqualified firms and was also used to promote then-President Trump.
A $6 billion federal program created to provide fresh produce to families affected by the pandemic was mismanaged and used by the Trump administration for political gain, a new congressional report has found.

As a ProPublica investigation revealed last spring and as the new report further details, the Farmers to Families Food Box program gave contracts to companies that had no relevant experience and often lacked necessary licenses. The House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis, which released its report last week, found that former President Donald Trumpís administration did not adequately screen contractor applications or identify red flags in bid proposals.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 09:14 PM

Steve, you're not perhaps as familiar with the Colin Powell story as Americans are. He was duped by a CIA plot that put forward the story of an unreliable Iraqi source - and he regretted that for the rest of his life.

Bush shouldn't have started the Iraq war, but that was Bush's decision, and he also got the bad intelligence. The astonishing part is how much influence one particularly bad source seemed to wield.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 07:19 PM

Colin Powell was a main cheerleader, and main liar, when it came to the invasion of Iraq. He told us that the evidence for Saddam's weapons of mass destruction was unarguable and rock-solid when he knew very well that it wasn't. I can't think that the families of the quarter-million dead Iraqi civilians would be agreeing with you about his duty, honesty, empathy and good intentions. All of his expressed regrets and switching of sides won't bring a single one of those people back. You could have added flawed and weak to your list. He should have told Bush where to get off instead of peddling the lies to the UN.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 06:15 PM

In a comparison of Steve Bannon and Colin Powell there are many contrasts.
Let me count the ways;
Hygiene, Honor, Duty, Intellect, Respondsibility...(3 thousand factors later)...American, Empathy, Honesty and Good Intentions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 02:11 PM

One among several things that have changed since the first instance of the Steele Dossier story is that supposed a video document of the 'pee tape' were to emerge at any time from the present onward, no doubt the defense on the part of Tump would be that it's a deep fake.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Oct 21 - 06:49 PM

Trump is sueing the 1-6 commitee for being an overbroad 'witchunt'. He is also claiming executive privildge as 45th President. Thats like claiming immunity as a former Emmy winner.
The Supream Court agrees with me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Oct 21 - 10:11 PM

Ex-intel official who created controversial Trump Russia dossier speaks out
Former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele, the man behind the "Steele Dossier" that claimed Russian officials held compromising information on former President Donald Trump, defended the claims made in the dossier in his first on-camera interview since it was revealed in 2017.

In a clip from an upcoming ABC News documentary released Sunday, Steele said he decided to sit down for an interview now because he wanted to "set the record straight" about his role in the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. ABC released a portion of the documentary featuring parts of Steele's interview on Sunday, with the full documentary slated to be released on Hulu early Monday morning.

"Most of the world first heard your name about five years ago, but you stayed silent up until now. Why speak out now?" host George Stephanopoulos asked.

"I think the first and most important (reason) is that the problems we identified back in 2016 haven't gone away, and arguably have actually got worse, and I thought it was important to come and set the record straight," Steele said.

Steele's unverified dossier became one of the most controversial aspects of the FBI's investigation into Trump and Russia that led to special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation. Many of the claims, such as the so-called "pee tape," were never proven, despite the FBI's efforts to verify salacious allegations and years of congressional investigators looking into the claims involving the former president and Russia.
Follow the link for the rest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Oct 21 - 04:26 PM

If you read the Mary Trump book about Trump last year, you know that except for the Trump parents, the siblings and their kids are less of an embarrassment than the man himself. Mostly. His parents were pretty awful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Oct 21 - 10:43 AM

He is more like a self inflicted son. Perhaps you could change his name to Blaagg and tie him to an ant hill.
Families, whatchagonna do.
Growing up in the shadow of Bo ain't easy either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Oct 21 - 10:20 AM

And this is a self-inflicted wound, Hunter Biden is like a modern day Billy Carter or Roger Clinton.

Is Hunter Bidenís art project painting the president into an ethical corner? He seems to have spent his entire adult life trading on his father's name. That's why he was an easy target for Trump (who, if he understands anything, understands about trading on the family name.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Oct 21 - 09:46 AM

Good comparison's, like the PTL Club on steroids and meth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Oct 21 - 09:33 AM

Ron Watkins, the 8chan Troll and QAnon Evangelist, Says He's Running for Congress
Watkins, who is widely suspected of being behind the QAnon conspiracy theory, wants to represent Arizona in 2021

Remember Newt Gingrich and Pat Robertson and all of the Tea Party folks? When Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz seemed as bad as it could get?

That was childsplay compared to this guy. Trump really unlocked a Pandora's box of bad behavior in politics.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Oct 21 - 06:23 PM

You're going to get him back. His rabble-rousing rally in Iowa showed that he hasn't lost his touch. No mud is going to stick. If you can't find a way to get him in jail, be very afraid. Along with the rest of the planet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Oct 21 - 06:13 PM

Allen West, Fox News contributor, is in the hospital with Covid and Ivermectin and Hydrochloroquin overdose.
He refused vaccines from the start and is still denying Covid is worse than flu.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Oct 21 - 10:19 AM

BAD IDEAS that make money temporarily are dangerous and can lead to a failed nation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Oct 21 - 10:03 AM

What did the Heritage Foundation promote?
A conservative think tank promoting public policy research and analysis based on free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense.

Well they have turned a blind eye to most of those values and pursue a Vladamir Putin doctrine that "people don't choose leaders, the people who count votes choose the leaders" .

Now a third of the country has new laws about who counts the votes and who can overturn real results and choose their own electors. Guess who are the alternate electors. Republicans.

The Federalist Society devotes thir efforts to a Conservative Supream Court branch of government. WHO PAYS those Foundations and Society's, its people like the former Koch Brothers who have significant Stalinesque heritage.

The evil is in the Dark Money and the helpful idiot conspiracy theorists.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 10 Oct 21 - 09:21 AM

It's not an evil place but it's trending in that direction. On January 6th a sitting president incited a mob to violently disrupt our most important democratic process and there probably will be very little, if any, repercussions from it for him or his henchmen due to the partisan politics that have poisoned the national atmosphere. Optimism is a good thing as long as you don't lose sight of reality.

In my previous post it should have been "acts of sedition" not "acts of treason".


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Oct 21 - 08:38 AM

America is not a evil place. If not for a gun culture and a generational teaching that exterminating all the colored brutes is a cultural priority, this is a nice place to live. All the greedy stupid mistakes can be fixed over time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Oct 21 - 05:02 PM

"Foibles", or acts of treason?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Oct 21 - 05:10 PM

I read that article with an overdose of delight, SRS. To think that the Biden White House has the power to protect or disclose the foibles of the Trump White House. What a great country this is (sometimes)!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Oct 21 - 03:35 PM

Things are moving along. Trump wants to claim executive privilege for all of the documents in the National Archives, but Biden isn't letting him claim privilege for any of them. Bannon has tried to follow Trump's suit, claiming privilege, and is about to get his ass arrested.

Biden declines Trump request to withhold White House records from Jan. 6 committee

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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 07:01 PM

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY ! Fox News is 25 years old today.
It started with a shock jock vibe and soon latched onto Islamic terrorism hatred and when Democrats tried not to slur all Muslims it evolved until today the Fox enemy are all Democrats. Domestic terrorism is fully supported by Fox News as well as Facebook anti vax conspiracies. I see the irony how their tactics are more like the initial Islamic terrorists they were against. Sure racial division is at the heart of all their success.
I just learned today that OAN News {a uber Fox} was started by AT&T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 07:03 AM

Republicans say that
President Biden is trying to RAM DOWN YOUR THROAT;
Improved health, sustainable transportation options for millions of Americans by modernizing and expanding transit and rail networks across the country, while reducing greenhouse gas emissions. The Plan is the largest federal investment in public transit in history and is the largest federal investment in passenger rail since the creation of Amtrak.

Repair and rebuild our roads and bridges with a focus on climate change mitigation, resilience, equity, and safety for all users, including cyclists and pedestrians. The Bipartisan Infrastructure Framework is the single largest dedicated bridge investment since the construction of the interstate highway system.

Build a national network of electric vehicle (EV) chargers along highways and in rural and disadvantaged communities. The largest investment in EV infrastructure in history, the Bipartisan Infrastructure Framework will accomplish the Presidentís goal of building 500,000 EV chargers.

Electrify thousands of school and transit buses across the country to reduce harmful emissions and drive domestic manufacturing of zero emission vehicles and components.

Eliminate the nationís lead service lines and pipes, delivering clean drinking water to up to ten million American families and more than 400,000 schools and child care facilities that currently donít have it, including in Tribal nations and disadvantaged communities. The Plan is the largest investment in clean drinking water and waste water infrastructure in American history.

Connect every American to reliable high-speed internet, just as the federal government made a historic effort to provide electricity to every American nearly one hundred years ago. The Framework will also drive down prices for internet service and close the digital divide.

Upgrade our power infrastructure, including by building thousands of miles of new, resilient transmission lines to facilitate the expansion of renewable energy, including through a new Grid Authority. The Plan is the single largest investment in clean energy transmission in American history.

Create a first of its kind Infrastructure Financing Authority that will leverage billions of dollars into clean transportation and clean energy.

Make the largest investment in addressing legacy pollution in American history, a cleanup effort that will create good-paying union jobs and advance environmental justice.

Prepare more of our infrastructure for the impacts of climate change, cyber attacks, and extreme weather events. The Framework is the largest investment in the resilience of physical and natural systems in American history.
The Framework, which will generate significant economic benefits and returns, is financed through a combination of closing the tax gap, redirecting unspent emergency relief funds, targeted corporate user fees, and the macroeconomic impact of infrastructure investment.

BUT WORSE THAN THAT:
Two free years of community college
The legislation provides two years of free community college for all students, regardless of family income. It is anticipated to cost $108 billion.

The bill would also add $80 billion in funding for Pell Grants, which Democrats say hasn't kept pace with the increasing cost of college.

Child care and universal pre-K
Every family that applies shall be offered child care assistance for children ages 0 to 5. In all, the plan allocates roughly $450 billion to lower the cost of child care and provide two years of universal pre-K for 3- and 4-year-olds, according to the House Education and Labor Committee.

The panel estimated that this proposal would keep the cost of child care at or below 7% of most families' income.

Medicare expansion
This heavily debated provision would expand Medicare to include coverage of dental, hearing and vision services.


Manchin believes the program's solvency should be addressed before it is expanded.

"We need to stabilize it," he told reporters Friday, according to reports. "By 2026, you understand, the trust fund is going to be insolvent."

Extended child tax credit
Democrats expanded the child tax credit for 2021 in their $1.9 trillion COVID-19 relief plan, and now want to extend it through 2025.

Under the enhancement, families receive $3,600 per child under age 6, and $3,000 per child age 6 to 18. Most families receive monthly payments of either $250 or $300 per child.

The full expanded child tax credit is available to individuals making up to $75,000 or married couples making up to $150,000.

While Mr. Biden has touted the tax credit's success in lifting children out of poverty, Manchin thinks Democrats' social spending package should impose work requirements for parents who qualify.

"You want to help the children and the parents that are basically providing for those children. There's no work requirements whatsoever. There's no education requirements whatsoever for better skill sets," he told CNN in an interview this month. "Don't you think, if we're going to help the children, that the people should make some effort?"

The House Ways and Means Committee has also endorsed permanent expansions of the earned income tax credit and child and dependent care tax credit.

Cut prescription drug prices
Another key provision in the bill is aimed at helping to slash prescription drug prices. Americans on average pay two to three times as much as people in other countries for prescription drugs, according to the White House. Among other things, the legislation allows Medicare to negotiate drug prices. Medicare is currently prohibited by law from negotiating for the best deal.

Paid family and medical leave
For the first time in history, the U.S. would have comprehensive paid leave, covering 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave. The legislation would replace at least two-thirds of earnings, up to $4,000 per month, while the lowest-paid workers would receive 80% of their income.

The White House has previously estimated the plan would cost $225 billion over the next 10 years.

Climate change
Combating climate change and slowing the rate at which Earth warms will mean transitioning away from fossil fuels, the major source of greenhouse gas emissions.

One provision that Manchin has objected to is the $150 billion "clean electricity performance program," which would pay utility companies that increase their renewable energy supplies by 4% per year. Companies that do not hit this benchmark would face financial penalties. The bill also provides significant funding for forest management and other wildfire control measures.

There are also measures to incentivize the buying of electric vehicles and the construction of charging stations; consumer rebates to homeowners who weatherfit their houses; and financial penalties for oil and gas producers for methane leaks, among other things.

Lesser-known provisions
The massive bill has a slew of lesser-known provisions as well.


For instance, the bill would authorize $5 million a year for the Small Business Administration for an entrepreneurial program for formerly incarcerated individuals.

The bill also directs $2.5 billion for the Justice Department to award competitive grants or contracts to local governments, community-based organizations and other groups to support intervention strategies to reduce community violence.

How they plan to pay for it
Democrats have also included a tax plan to pay for the provisions in the bill.

The corporate tax rate would rise from 21% to 26%, and the top income tax rate for Americans making over $400,000 would increase from 37% to 39.6%. The top capital gains rate would also go from 20% to 25%.

Democrats are also looking to beef up tax enforcement by the Internal Revenue Service as a vehicle for paying for the package.

The Joint Committee on Taxation estimates the tax changes spearheaded by Democrats would raise more than $2 trillion in revenue over 10 years, with roughly $1 trillion in tax increases from high-income Americans and nearly $1 trillion from corporate and international tax reforms.

I say "ram away"


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Oct 21 - 04:52 PM

It bears repeating that the "government was never our enemy -
Its the DARK MONEY!"

But it won't become a household phrase inside of 4 years.
'Billed Back Butter' ;^/


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Oct 21 - 04:08 PM

She is the kind of snake who wants it both ways, partially anti Trump and partially pro Trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 06 Oct 21 - 11:08 AM

My guess is that she never held any pressers because she didn't want to have to answer toadstool penis questions. As much as I loathe trump and enjoy reading dirt on him this skank is almost as repulsive, carving him up after advocating for him so vehemently. What a rats nest that White House was.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Oct 21 - 10:51 AM

It appears that former Trump press secretary Stephanie Grisham's book is going to do some damage to the Orange One.

Trump dictated a statement that made Grisham feel like 'a crazy cultist' ó then he forgot he even composed it

Grisham was in that inner circle during the entire administration. From Wikipedia:
She was a press aide to Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign, and then a member of the presidential transition team. As Press Secretary, she was the first White House press secretary in American history to hold no press conferences, instead opting for interviews on conservative news outlets. Grisham assumed the role of chief of staff to the first lady on April 7, 2020.

She resigned on January 6, 2021 following the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol. In September 2021, she announced the publication of her book about her time working in the Trump administration, I'll Take Your Questions Now.


If you read Stephanie Winston Wolkoff's book about the fraud and excess of the Inaugural committee (that is still in the courts) Grisham helped with the presidential three-card-monte that let a lot of people dip deeply into the funds.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Sep 21 - 09:38 PM

MOUNT RUSHMOE?!   I love it! That's GENIUS.

The four Stooges :
Moe, Larry, Curly Joe, and Donald John.

Wonder if there's an image somewhere?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Sep 21 - 08:02 PM

Trump has been honored with a 2 foot statue of Mt Rushmoe with his head next to Lincoln, 2 other similar statues are in the secret possession of 2 other unknown people. I heard he has a secret model city of New Ottawa and Greenland USA. jus in case global warming is real.


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