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GUEST,BlackAcornUK 28 Mar 20 - 07:41 PM
RTim 28 Mar 20 - 08:47 PM
GUEST,Jon Dudley 29 Mar 20 - 03:26 AM
GeoffLawes 29 Mar 20 - 09:46 AM
GUEST,BlackAcornUK 29 Mar 20 - 06:53 PM
GeoffLawes 29 Mar 20 - 07:39 PM
Vic Smith 30 Mar 20 - 09:03 AM
Steve Gardham 30 Mar 20 - 10:21 AM
GUEST,Jon Dudley 30 Mar 20 - 12:50 PM
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Subject: Music Hall and the Copper repertoire?
From: GUEST,BlackAcornUK
Date: 28 Mar 20 - 07:41 PM

Hello all, I hope you're keeping well in these uneasy times.

Something I see noted in passing in several texts online is that the Copper Family repertoire contains a number of music hall-derived songs;

But when I try to delve further, the only one that I can find specifically cited is 'Corduroy'.

Does anoyone know with confidence which other Copper numbers fit the bill?

Thanks, and best wishes for keeping healthy and cheerful


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Subject: RE: Music Hall and the Copper repertoire?
From: RTim
Date: 28 Mar 20 - 08:47 PM

Well - make your choice from the list of songs on their own web page...

http://www.thecopperfamily.com/the-songs.html


Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Music Hall and the Copper repertoire?
From: GUEST,Jon Dudley
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 03:26 AM

Most of these songs are not on our list of mainly ‘traditional’ songs on the website. They were added by Jim Copper (born 1882). He attended music halls when he spent a short time working in London, plus of course there was similar entertainment in nearby Brighton. Here you go:

It won’t last very very long
Corduroy
The Horse the Missus dries the clothes on
The Golden Dustman
My Uncle Jimmy (has got a beautiful ruby tinted nose)
The Old Sow
The Old Dun Cow
Sweet Genevieve
Are we to part like this Bill?
That’s my home
Mother Macree
Long long trail
Pimply Pork
Old fashioned Mother of Mine
The Old Bull and Bush
Thora
Love’s old sweet song
Old Rocking Chair
The Ship I love
Larboard watch
Oh Gussie
Nellie Dean
Sweetheart May
In the Sun
Maudie St Clare
The Blind Boy
Asleep in the deep
Buttercup Joe
The Farmers Boy


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Subject: RE: Music Hall and the Copper repertoire?
From: GeoffLawes
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 09:46 AM



Armed with Jon Dudley’s list of Copper song’s, the best place to start would be Michael Kilgariff’s book SING US ONE OF THE OLD SONGS <-B> A Guide to Popular Song1860-1920.
I have made a start but there is a shed in my garden that needs more re-building work . I will look back later and see if I can add anything more from my copy of Killgariff which other Mudcatters have not added in my absence. (I got down the list as far as Pimply Pork)


It won’t last very very long,   - sung by Harry Champion 1865-1942
Corduroy -

The Horse the Missus dries the clothes on -
The Golden Dustman- writtenby E. Graham;Le Brun 1897 sung by Gus Elan

M Uncle Jimmy (has got a beautiful ruby tinted nose)
The Old Sow
The Old Dun Cow- sung by Harry Champion 1865-1942

Sweet Genevieve- from poem written by George Cooper;Music Henry Tucker ,1869 sung by Belle Cole, John Mc Cormack, Mohawk Minstrels, Will Oakland, Peerless Quartet.

Are we to part like this Bill?- written by Castling and Charles Collins ,1903. Sung by Kate Carney.

That’s my home -
Mother Macree- written by Rida, Young:Olcott and Ernest R Ball 1910, sung by several and was John McCormack’s theme tune

Long long trail -
Pimply Pork
Old fashioned Mother of Mine
The Old Bull and Bush
Thora
Love’s old sweet song
Old Rocking Chair- (That) Old Rocking Chair, written by Osborne , 1902. Sung by Millie Lindon.

The Ship I love
Larboard watch
Oh Gussie
Nellie Dean
Sweetheart May
In the Sun
Maudie St Clare


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Subject: RE: Music Hall and the Copper repertoire?
From: GUEST,BlackAcornUK
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 06:53 PM

Many thanks all, this is very useful.

Interesting that, of the above, only ‘Corduroy’ made it onto An Song For Every Season’


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Subject: RE: Music Hall and the Copper repertoire?
From: GeoffLawes
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 07:39 PM

I'm back from the shed.Here is Jon Dudley’ list of Copper songs with all I could find in Kilgariff’s book, but I may have missed things.

It won’t last very very long,   - sung by Harry Champion 1865-1942
Corduroy -

The Horse the Missus dries the clothes on -
The Golden Dustman- writtenby E. Graham;Le Brun 1897 sung by Gus Elan

M Uncle Jimmy (has got a beautiful ruby tinted nose)
The Old Sow
The Old Dun Cow- sung by Harry Champion 1865-1942

Sweet Genevieve- from poem written by George Cooper;Music Henry Tucker ,1869 sung by Belle Cole, John Mc Cormack, Mohawk Minstrels, Will Oakland, Peerless Quartet.

Are we to part like this Bill?- written by Castling and Charles Collins ,1903. Sung by Kate Carney.

That’s my home -
Mother Macree- written by Rida, Young:Olcott and Ernest R Ball 1910, sung by several and was John McCormack’s theme tune

Long long trail -
Pimply Pork -
Old fashioned Mother of Mine -
The Old Bull and Bush
Thora written by Weatherly and Adams, 1905. Sung by Joseph Cheetham, Ivor Foster, Ruby Helder, John McCormack
Love’s old sweet song -written by Bingham and Molloy. 1884.Sung by Clara Butt, Antoinette Sterling
Old Rocking Chair- (That) Old Rocking Chair, written by Osborne , 1902. Sung by Millie Lindon.

The Ship I love -Written by McGlennon 1898. Sung by Tom Costello
Larboard watch -sung by John Harrison, written by Radford
Oh Gussie -
Nellie Dean – written by Billy Clarke and Harry Armstrong. 1905 Sung by Gertie Gitana
Sweetheart May -written by Stuart. 1894.Sung by Vesta Tilley.
In the Sun -
Maudie St Clare -


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Subject: RE: Music Hall and the Copper repertoire?
From: Vic Smith
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 09:03 AM

I can remember Bob telling me how much Jim & John liked the harmony singing of the Mills Brothers. Can Jon tell us if they ever sang any of their songs; even if they did not make it into the song books.


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Subject: RE: Music Hall and the Copper repertoire?
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 10:21 AM

Hi Geoff
Horse the Missus is there.
Old Sow was issued on 78 in the 1920s by various performers and is well documented, based on an old supper room song 'Little Pigs'.

There's a long long trail is there
That old-fashioned Mother of Mine is there.
Down at the Old Bull and Bush is there.

The others are probably there under a different title.

Also 'Wop-she-adit-I-O' is probably Music Hall or perhaps Coal Cellar prior to the Music Hall proper.


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Subject: RE: Music Hall and the Copper repertoire?
From: GUEST,Jon Dudley
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 12:50 PM

I'm not sure Vic...I think it was more Bob and his dad (his dad being influenced by whatever the young Bob was listening to). "You and your old 'Ben' Crosby" Jim would say whenever Bob sang 'Brother can you Spare a Dime' ...but it still found its way into Jim's first songbook! Bob was a big Mills Brothers, Boswell Sisters and Louis Armstrong fan amongst others. Under whose influence we know not, but Jim came home from Brighton one day with a clarinet, from which he could coax a few tunes...


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