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BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Stilly River Sage 18 Jan 22 - 04:15 PM
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Donuel 17 Jan 22 - 08:59 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 04:15 PM

Good news! The new site launched (www.covidtests.gov) a day early and it hasn't crashed. And what's more, it is simply a redirect through the US Digital Service to the US Postal Service who take the information and will be shipping the four free tests. This Digital Service was built after the Affordable Care Act rollout was such a catastrophe.

We have to see how the delivery works (that's the part where DeJoy has an influence after he mangled things and still hasn't been replaced by the board of governors). And this is per household - fine for me, but for more than one or two people, inadequate. They're going to have to ramp up pretty quickly.

New York Times: The Biden administration’s new website to order at-home virus tests goes live, a day early.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 02:33 PM

Nigel, that vaccine was tested in India and is now being made for distribution in India by Indian companies, but it can be launched world wide. There is nothing tentative about it, and it comes without a patent. I posted an article about that on January 6, 2022.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 12:40 PM

MGoH: Here is a very encouraging story in todays Observer.
Texas scientists’ new Covid-19 vaccine is cheaper, easier to make and patent-fre
And good to see a reminder that there are some great people doinggreat things in Texas.


On reading the article it gives the lie to "is cheaper, easier to make, and patent free"
It may become each of those things, the facts say that "it is still in development", and "they do not intend to patent it". Much can happen between now and when/if it becomes a proven, effective, vaccine.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 08:31 AM

I have seen reports they've found genes involved in whether you'll lose your sense of smell.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Jan 22 - 12:51 PM

Contact tracing is for after the fact. I know of one that might be coming up - the man is the son of an elderly friend of mine. She now lives with him as they plan about moving to an adults only retirement community (when she will again have her own space). She tested positive yesterday, but he just got on a jet from Dallas to Hawaii. I was told he and his boyfriend have "super filtering masks" but he was exposed, and even with his testing negative the day before the flight letting him board the plane, his 87 year old mother is home alone with COVID. She has had shots and boosters, but they were exposed together and she should be taken for the Regeneron or whatever monoclonal antibody treatment. He could in theory get the treatment also.

I was researching information about reusing the high-end N95 masks for another thread and will post that here also. It was out of curiosity that I started looking, after speculating about how the everyday homeowner might manage to more or less autoclave masks to keep using them.

I found a study that looks into this home heating technique with convection oven. Skimming it and skipping to the bottom, it looks like the ovens had a liquid source for higher humidity and that the tests had a lot to do with how well the masks fit after being treated in a convection oven. A scalable method of applying heat and humidity for decontamination of N95 respirators during the COVID-19 crisis. From June 2020, so ages ago.

This article (from November, 2020) says dry heat can be used to decontaminate FDA allows dry heat treatment for single-user mask reuse (from that article comes this:
The use of dry heat to reduce bioburden is only intended to supplement existing single-user reuse recommendations from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), such as storing a used N95 mask in a breathable paper bag for a minimum of 5 days between each use, according to the FDA.

Bioburden reduction systems can play an important role in the ongoing efforts to help address shortages of filtering facepiece respirators, according to Dr. Binita Ashar, director of the Division of Surgical Devices in FDA’s Center for Devices and Radiological Health.

So maybe just putting the mask away for a few days? Here is one that is quite bizarre - putting the mask in a paper bag inside a pressure cooker (with liquid? with the weight on top?) in the oven. How to Disinfect Your Mask: A Step-by-Step Guide is from June 2020.

And it sounds like some of them can be washed in water - a combination of treatments may turn up in a scholarly journal if I keep looking.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jan 22 - 12:20 PM

I note that the official death total for the UK favoured by this government is 150,000, while the lead statistical agency puts it at 175,000.

Both figures are based on different ways of calculating the total. It is interesting that the government chooses to rely on a method that provides a lower total. And completely predictable.

The excess death rate is a better guide to the true impact of the pandemic, since it includes deaths which were not directly caused by Covid but which would not have been likely to happen if there had been no pandemic. And that would give a higher total than either of the above figures.

Not a very impressive record whichever way you count it.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Jan 22 - 08:59 AM

Ugh, A reimbursment plan for tests is what is in the works for providing 'free tests' by the government. crap... more paperwork and delay.

An omnicynic would of course be suspect of death reports no matter what the varient. Cynics should put the lid back on the paint thinner when they hold almost every damn thing suspect ;^/

I think I am looking at Feb 15th for a 4th booster at the latest and this week for the soonest. There is no lack of confusion regarding pandemic decisions. What I have noticed is that the actual vaccine providers do not want to be held respondsible for witholding vaccine but some may have an agenda, we shall see.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 17 Jan 22 - 07:13 AM

I have just been contract traced - seems that somoene tested positive on my flight home and in spite of paying £16 for a day to test (negative result), I still need to take LFTs for the next 7 days. So what was the point of forking out for the day 2 test? At least I do not have to self isolate.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Allan Conn
Date: 17 Jan 22 - 02:36 AM

Steve is spot on in that the number that makes the most sense and are less open to how they are collated etc are the excess deaths. The authorities collate the figures in three ways and all are published on the BBC site every day. If you look at the figures for Scotland compared to the UK as a whole then there is a wide variation on the comparisons dependent on what figures you use.

For the Deaths after 28 days of a positive test then Scotland makes up 6.6% of UK deaths; if you look at causes on the death certificate then it is 7.19%; and if you look at excess deaths in total then it is 8.2%.

Quite a variation!! I'd think the obvious one to go on is the excess deaths which shows the impact on Scotland compared to the UK.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 07:40 PM

I'd put more trust in the death count of the medical estimates than in hunches, however humble.

If the figures were being manipulated by this government, I'm sure they'd much prefer to do that in a way that helped them declare that the death rate had gone right down, and the whole nasty business with Covid was done and dusted.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 03:21 PM

Those who get COVID and end up hospitalized tend to show up as deaths 21 days later. The time reflects fighting the virus and the SIDE EFFECTS of it. That 21-day lag time is noted on many of the charts showing the growth of COVID this winter, though it doesn't mean that you suffer for 21 days before dying.

Here in the US people are double-masking now, going to the high-end N95 masks, and figuring out how to reuse them (there are several recommended ways to disinfect/sterilize those masks.) Hospitals were running them through autoclaves in 2020, now individuals are figuring out how to do something similar to save the expense of the masks.

Types of Masks and Respirators (from CDC)

The word is (it was well known from early on) that the flimsy cloth masks don't work well and with Omicron they shouldn't be used now. Many of the masks I still see in public are commercially produced lightweight ineffective masks. The earliest ones I made had a slit for putting in a paper filter, I stopped making those fairly soon and shifted to the heavy filtering of the three-layer flannel (inside) 3-D masks. Now those need to go over another surgical or KN95-level mask.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 02:17 PM

The deaths-from-covid numbers are very suspect in m'humble. "Within 28 days of a positive test" simply doesn't make sense when the disease lasts for far less time than that in most people. The death numbers that make at least some sense are the ones which tell us the number of deaths in excess of what is expected for the season in question. Even those numbers can be confounded by factors such as fluctuating flu numbers and spells of very cold weather, etc. In addition, the stats we get on the telly every night are replete with spurious accuracy, precisely right down to the last person vaccinated, for example. All numbers are ball-park at best, but they are not presented that way. Think of them as benign propaganda, presented in order to keep us cautious.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 01:37 PM

I'll still be wearing mine for a while, any time I'm in range of anyone outside my bubble. Dropping precautions right now, while more people are dying every day than you'd get with a huge airliner crashing seems bad timing, especially in a context where Boris Johnson has his back against the wall, and would say and do pretty well anything to fend off his demise. "Let the bodies pile up high"…


Here is a very encouraging story in todays Observer.

Texas scientists’ new Covid-19 vaccine is cheaper, easier to make and patent-fre

And good to see a reminder that there are some great people doinggreat things in Texas.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 06:19 AM

Negative again this morning. I needed to run the test because I'm off to a funeral in what will be a crowded village church.

Could be that masks etc., will all be dropped next week Alleluja!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 05:44 AM

Just got a negative test (day2) after returning from sunny Prague.

Feeling grotty with the worst cold I have had for over three years. I do not need to isolate but on the other hand, can't face going out for a day or two.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 06:08 PM

I'm fine, thanks.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 04:58 PM

I heard that too.

Feel better soon, Steve Shaw!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 04:30 PM

Just to clarify Donuel's comment:
The WHO (World Health Organisation) say that it is too early to treat Coronavirus as endemic. Here 4 days ago


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 06:50 AM

WHO warns to not treat Covid as endemic.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Jan 22 - 04:14 PM

The New York Times had a story about a particular rapid test called BinaxNOW from Abbott Laboratories that detects about 95% of the cases of Omicron. Other rapid tests are less accurate. And this article was helpful: Which Covid Test Should I Get? When Should I Test? What If I Can’t Find One? Answers About Testing and Omicron. Much of the getting supplies part applies to the US, of course, but some of the information should be globally helpful.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Jan 22 - 03:30 PM

So far so good for my family. Though my disabled daughter who lives nearby had a Covid test show up positive she never developed any serious symptoms. And none of us hadany adverse reactions to the various jabs we've had.

And we've had no problems getting the tests. Half the time with the government site it's just been a matter of tap my NHS number and a kit turns up a day or so later, the other half they've run out, and there's a code to use at a local chemist to get a kit. Though sometimes they've run out, but they always seem to get them in the next day.

I wish other things connected with public services worked as well.


I see that in Canada, they've come up with a wheeze that if you aren't duly vaccinated you can't patronise your local cannabis store. That's the way to do it…

I'm afraid I'm getting rather authoritarian about the public menaces who refuse to get vaccinated, and then get Covid and take up beds in hospital that stop other people getting treatment they need. Solidarity!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 22 - 02:21 PM

Thank Steven Colbert, he mentioned it last night.
Its good to know TX keeps you and Willy Nelson suffiently supplied.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Jan 22 - 10:34 AM

Thanks for that link to the OSU study, Donuel. I mostly use hemp products that are high in THC but I'll have to look into those other cannabinoids.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jan 22 - 09:58 AM

I still have my sniffly, headachey symptoms and I'm feeling under the weather. A test this morning, my third this week, was negative. Good to know you can still catch ordinary colds!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 22 - 09:53 AM

No doubt about it Jeri, when vaccinated people have obvious symptoms of omicron they feel like absolute crap for a week. The week after has a run down quality. I have been tested but once so I don't know if I dodged this dirt clod or not. We're all winging this together with a certain feeling of confusion, hope and dread. Fauci said we're all going to get some form of this cold. This is by no means an incentive to deliberately expose ourselves. ...Some do, some don't, for some its just as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Jan 22 - 08:53 AM

I have a friend who had it. Her kid brought it home, and the whole family got it. She said it was like a bad cold. She'd been double-vaxed, no booster. The whole family had been, but they're all fine and over it. Of course, when it comes to my friend, she may be down-playing the severity.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 22 - 08:45 AM

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajherrington/2022/01/11/study-finds-cannabis-compounds-prevent-infection-by-covid-19-virus/?sh=7a09


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 22 - 06:28 AM

This is the obvious that we know but is worth recording for the record.

These are record breaking weeks of infection. Covid is the leading cause of death for the Police, and a 9 year low of violent death. Missisippi kids are only 5% vaccinated, nursing home infection is at its all time high, food stores are often depleted with staffing problems are 50% down BUT there are indications the peak has been reached like waste water tests in Boston and the stress on hospitals is leveling. A million infections a day was approached and can't go much higher.
Odds are less than 50 50 you get it but the symptoms are 0 to a week of awful flu symptoms without a need for hospitalization.
The unvaccinated die less often than last year but can still die of COVID. The Stevie Wonder song comes to mind over the vax controversies,
SUPERSTITION


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 22 - 12:52 PM

A major traffic jam in my two lane neighborhood is caused by thousands of cars trying to get into the Library for free Covid test kits today.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Jan 22 - 11:51 AM

Sighted people don't all have smart phones either.

The US has more vaccine dissidents than anywhere, I think. Goes right along with the gun deaths imo, we Murricans haz rights, y'all over the pond or anywhere else seem to remember your responsibilities...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jan 22 - 11:33 AM

This morning I read a NY Times article about the lack of rapid tests for the blind here in the US. Apparently the UK is out ahead of this testing problem. There is an app here for smart phones, but blind people don't all have smart phones.


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Subject: RE: New nonsense on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 22 - 10:39 AM

Some people are betting that this omicron is the varient to catch for their immune system to make antibodies. They ignore long haul risks and a lack of knowledge.

What if...what about...this just in from twitter...Imagine...in a perfect world...Facebook sez...God declares...there could be...1 out of 10 doctors agree...
that a varient so deadly the virus commits suicide by killing 99% of humans in 6 hours where transmission finally ends with 66 million global survivors who are the very ones who did not catch Omicron>?

This virus business is so fluid we just might get it all wrong from time to time... What do you mean its already plagued by misinformation about misinformation?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 12 Jan 22 - 08:21 AM

The online system for getting tests is working for me now. One pack came in the post today and I've ordered another.

I'll try to get the 3 of us tested this evening. I won't need to the nose swabbing (no throat sample needed with the kit I received) for others but I don't think dad would be able to follow the instructions and he would probably also have difficulty handling the bits. I'm not that sure about mum either but we'll do hers together and see where we go from there.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jan 22 - 07:30 AM

Many unvaccinated people have now been persuaded to get the jab. Sure, some have been persuaded by threats to their jobs in the health and care sector. Many have been persuaded by the publicity around the infectivity of omicron and the efficacy of the boosters against it. That kind of publicity, together with making the unvaccinated see that general life could become inconvenient for them, is the way forward in my view. We have far, far fewer vaccine dissidents (per capita) than the US. Your point falls.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 22 - 06:49 AM

Appealing to the conscience of a person without one is a fool's errand.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jan 22 - 06:32 AM

I don't think so. You'd have to extend that to anyone with flu or several other lurgies. You can even kill elderly, vulnerable people by giving them your cold, and most of us don't self-isolate with the sniffles. What about people who grab a supermarket trolley, hands unwashed, after a poo in the supermarket bogs? Even if you thought it was right to criminalise such people, you can rarely (though never say never) pin the passing-on of an infectious disease on a particular individual. Incubation periods and all that...

Again, I don't think it should be within the remit of governments to mandate people to be jabbed. I agree with the action of the water company I mentioned because the unvaccinated in the circumstances I mentioned are much more of a threat to the business than the vaccinated, and their action (or inaction) should be seen as a risk that they've brought on themselves. I also think that pubs, clubs, festivals and sports venues should have the right (though not an obligation) to insist that only vaccinated people are allowed to attend. We can do a lot by making things inconvenient for vaccine-refusers without actually sacking them or forcing them to bare their arms. Let them know in no uncertain terms that, overwhelmingly, it's their ilk who are antisocially clogging up intensive care beds. Make them feel like pariahs even. At the end of the day, attritional and firm "persuasion" will probably convert far more to doing the right thing than alienating them via mandating.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Jan 22 - 06:05 AM

" I don't believe in mandating vaccination, but I do think that unvaccinated people should have only themselves to blame should they be inconvenienced."

Perhaps unvaccinated people, who can be proved to be the source of infecting another person, could be charged with ABH or GBH or even manslaughter.

For our American cousins ABH is Actual Bodily Harm and GBH is Grevious Bodily Harm in UK law.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Jan 22 - 05:01 AM

Mrrzy: Anybody else read thay covid in children increases % diabetes?
I hadn't heard anything, but there is information Here: DiABETES UK
Which also links to studies American Diabetes Association

Hope this helps


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Allan Conn
Date: 12 Jan 22 - 02:14 AM

Here in Scotland it is the same. Because of a splenectomy in her youth my wife was told her third dose was a third dose and a fourth will be her booster.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jan 22 - 12:28 AM

Sunday it was reported that some immunocompromised people will be able to get a fourth shot soon. Starting later this week, some at-risk Americans become eligible for a 4th shot.
Some people with a weakened immune system can get a fourth dose of the coronavirus vaccine as early as this coming week, according to recommendations from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that were updated last week.

The C.D.C. endorsed a third dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines for moderately or severely immunocompromised people on Aug. 13, but said this would be considered a part of the primary immunization, not a booster shot.

In October, the agency said those immunocompromised people could receive a booster shot — a fourth dose of vaccine, six months after their third dose. These guidelines were consistent with its recommendation for other adults.

Last week, hoping to stem the surge of infections with the highly contagious Omicron variant, the C.D.C. shortened that interval to five months for a booster shot for Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna recipients.

For immunocompromised people who received a single shot of the coronavirus vaccine made by Johnson & Johnson, the C.D.C. does not recommend additional primary doses, but advises that they get a booster shot of the Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines two months after the first dose.

Some people are born with absent or faulty immune systems, and in others, treatments for some diseases like cancer diminish the potency of immune defenses. The C.D.C. estimates there are about seven million immunocompromised individuals in the country.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 07:08 PM

The rapid test (lateral flow) kits we are currently getting are the ones that swab just the nose, not the throat-and-nose. The latter are now held to be less reliable. Many tens of millions have been taken up and the demand has been huge since omicron moved in. I take that as a good sign. Ordering test kits is a responsible thing to do, and using them to ensure that you don't go out spreading the virus is very valuable. Giving them out for free seems like an excellent investment by the government that will help to save money and human resources for the NHS and will save lives. Now we should be straining every sinew to persuade the unvaccinated to sort their heads out. One water company here has told its unvaccinated workers that their sick pay will be cut to the statutory minimum should they have to self-isolate after contact with an infected person. Vaccinated people no longer have to self-isolate under those circumstances as long as they test every day for a specified period. I don't believe in mandating vaccination, but I do think that unvaccinated people should have only themselves to blame should they be inconvenienced.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 05:31 PM

Anybody else read thay covid in children increases % diabetes?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 12:58 PM

Starting next week a Phizer 4th shot for the immuno compromised will become national policy. Finally, its been 6 months since my last booster.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 11:51 AM

I didn't write that, but Don lives in a completely different marketplace than I do, and I shopped around the find acceptable tests that don't cost as much. And my insurance is different than his.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 11:48 AM

"The quick test here is $25 and the pcr is $100."

I'll take YOUR word for it, Maggie! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 11:39 AM

That would have cost just under $20, at about $10 a pop.

Today it was announced that the Biden administration will require insurance companies to pay for (going forward) or reimburse customers the cost of up to 8 tests per person per month. I'm not sure where this leaves people with no insurance. I think those will be the free ones sent upon request, but there is still a test shortage, so they're not there yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 11:16 AM

I woke up with a headache and a sniffly nose this morning. I read in the Guardian of a woman with the same symptoms who was amazed when she tested herself positive. I've just done another test, so two days in a row, and I'm negative. I don't have to recall Mrs Steve from her visit to her 75-year-old friend. So that would have cost me $50 in the US? That doesn't strike me as the way forward...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 05:12 AM

Starting Saturday insurance companies will have to cover the cost of up to 32 covid tests per month.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Jan 22 - 09:12 PM

Don't mind these booster shots, myself. It's not like they hurt.

As I went through my teens gamma globulin shots were every 2 years, then every year, then every 6 months, then every 4 months, and they hurt like billyO.


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Subject: RE: BS: New ideas about the pandemic COVIDICRON
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 22 - 08:57 PM

For what amounts to an endemic disease like flu that has always been with us, we may soon not be as strict with mitigation efforts and not be as persuaded by emergency efforts to save the public at all costs anymore. Lockdowns forever doesn't seem realistic. Vaccinating the stupid seems to be a failure and may lead to more Darwin awards.
Quarantine time has been reduced by half and booster shots maybe be as frequent as every 3 to 6 months. Scientists are not sure about many factors but one thing they agree upon is that covid is here to stay.

Deltafluicron is a challenge for the best immune systems.


Lyrics
… The more I read the papers
The less I comprehend
The world with all it's capers
And how it all will end
… Nothing seems to be lasting
But that isn't our affair
We've got something permanent
I mean in the way we care
… It's very clear
Covid is here to stay
Not for a year
But ever and a day
The radio and the telephone
And the movies that we knew
May just be passing fancies
And in time the flu
… But, oh my dear,
Covid is here to stay
Together we're going a long, long way
… In time the Rockies may crumble
Gibraltar may tumble
They're only made of clay
But Covid is here to stay
It's very clear
Our love is here to stay
… Not for a year
But ever and a day
The radio and the telephone
And the movies that we knew
May just be passing fancies
And in time the flu
… But, oh my dear
Covid is here to stay
Together we're going a long, long way
… In time the Rockies may crumble
Gibraltar may tumble
They're only made of clay
But Covid is here to stay


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