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Lyr Req: Silbury Hill as sung by Fred Wedlock

GUEST,Brian May 19 Mar 20 - 05:12 PM
Jim Dixon 20 Mar 20 - 11:05 PM
John MacKenzie 21 Mar 20 - 10:59 AM
cnd 21 Mar 20 - 08:59 PM
Joe Offer 21 Mar 20 - 09:58 PM
John MacKenzie 22 Mar 20 - 06:10 AM
leeneia 22 Mar 20 - 10:13 AM
Richard Mellish 22 Mar 20 - 10:43 AM
Brian May 22 Mar 20 - 11:28 AM
Pete MacGregor 22 Mar 20 - 12:31 PM
John MacKenzie 22 Mar 20 - 12:54 PM
Joe Offer 22 Mar 20 - 01:23 PM
leeneia 23 Mar 20 - 11:41 AM
GUEST,Derrick 23 Mar 20 - 12:16 PM
Brian May 23 Mar 20 - 02:49 PM
leeneia 23 Mar 20 - 11:49 PM
GUEST,Derrick 24 Mar 20 - 06:23 AM
John MacKenzie 24 Mar 20 - 08:13 AM
leeneia 24 Mar 20 - 02:32 PM
GUEST,jugmws 24 Mar 20 - 02:47 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Silbury Hill as sung by Fred Wedlock
From: GUEST,Brian May
Date: 19 Mar 20 - 05:12 PM

Listening to good old Fred Wedlock.

Whilst I appreciate there's a fair bit of 'Bristolese' in the song. Has anyone decoded it and written it all down?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Silbury Hill as sung by Fred Wedlock
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 20 Mar 20 - 11:05 PM

The song can be heard here, at YouTube. (I thought I'd encourage others to tackle it before I try it myself.)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Silbury Hill as sung by Fred Wedlock
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Mar 20 - 10:59 AM

Wasn't it written by Chas Upton?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Silbury Hill as sung by Fred Wedlock
From: cnd
Date: 21 Mar 20 - 08:59 PM

I can give it a hand but I recently accidentally rearranged thousands of files on my computer and want to sort back through them before I spend too much time on other endeavors.

From a quick listen, the songs sounds like it has a lot of town names (or surnames?) that would be better tackled by a Briton who is more familiar with them.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Silbury Hill as sung by Fred Wedlock
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Mar 20 - 09:58 PM

O, Mick one fine morning did set out to pay
A visit to Marlborough, so's I heared say,
When he gets to the spot where Silbury Hill be,
A shepherd, some sheep, and a dog he do see.

Nick says to the shepherd, "And how do ye do?"
"So horribly," says shepherd, "I oughten be, too,"
"And where've we been going at this time of day?"
"To Marlborough," says Mick, "but I can't find me way."


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Silbury Hill as sung by Fred Wedlock
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Mar 20 - 06:10 AM

That should be Old Nick at the start there Joe.
I can't remember the words, but the gist of the story is, the devil was going to Marlborough when he met a man (Shoe maker? ), and asked directions. The man had a sack of old shoes, and rather than tell the devil the road to go, he empties out the sack, and says, I can't tell you how far it is, but I wore out all these shoes, since leaving Marlborough. The devil says, if it's that far, I won't bother, and goes back down to hell. The pile of shoes was left there, to gather other bits of detritus over the years, and to eventually become Silbury Hill.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Silbury Hill as sung by Fred Wedlock
From: leeneia
Date: 22 Mar 20 - 10:13 AM

But I clearly heard near the beginning:

   When he gets to the spot where Silbury Hill be,
   a shepherd, a flock and a dog he did see.

After that, there are too many words I can't understand. Apparently the shepherd put him on the wrong track, and then...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Silbury Hill as sung by Fred Wedlock
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 22 Mar 20 - 10:43 AM

The plot summary posted by John MacKenzie above is a bit too condensed. When the shepherd learns that Old Nick is heading for Marlborough he sets him on the wrong trail and then hurries to Marlborough himself to give a warning. Then an old man comes up with the ruse. He gets people to bring loads of old shoes, then sets off to meet Old Nick. Final part of story as given by John.

I might get around to typing out the words from a recording of Tony Rose, if no-one else does in the next little while.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Silbury Hill as sung by Fred Wedlock
From: Brian May
Date: 22 Mar 20 - 11:28 AM

I'm fortunate enough to understand a fair bit of Fred's Brissol - I even did a gig with him at RAF Colerne in about 1972 - lovely fellow.

I'm willing to write it down, but just hoped someone had already done it !!

Thanks Joe, that's a good start.

Appreciate the help all.

Stay safe


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Subject: Lyr Add: SILBURY HILL (Will Meade)
From: Pete MacGregor
Date: 22 Mar 20 - 12:31 PM

Composed by Will Meade of Potterne, Wiltshire - probably to be recited rather than sung. I don't know who put a tune to it.
This is as sung by John Alderslade of Trowbridge. Fred may have modified it - I don't have a copy of 'The Folker'
I can't check the original at the moment as all our libraries are closed by the plague.
I've lived nearby for almost sixty years so I'm virtually tri-lingual -Lallans, English and Wurzel - in chronological order.

Silbury Hill - Will Meade

Old Nick one fine morning did set out to pay -
A visit to Marlboro as I 'as yerd say
When 'e gets to thic spot where Silbury Hill be
A shepherd, some sheep and a dog 'e did see.

"Good morning" says Nick and "'ow do you do?"
"'stablished" says shepherd "and hope you be too.
Where be you goin' to this time of day?"
"To Marlboro" says Nick "but I can't find me way"

When then, lucky-like, shepherd did spy Old Nick's tail,
Knowin' who t'were, put 'n on the wrong trail.
And when Nick had gone, off thic shepherd he did belt,
For to tell Marlboro folk what 'e'd seen, yerd and smelt.

They was near scared to death 'til up comes a wise man
To stop Nick a'coming 'e had a good plan
"What plan 'as thee got?" "Oh ah" he said "marry,
Bring I all the old boots and shoes you can carry"

So they brought 'im a nashin' gert lot in a sack
'e said "heft the lot of 'em up on me back"
Which they did - off 'e went and met Nick who did say
"How far off be Marlboro? Do seem a main way"

"Ah ha" said thic wise man, slingin' down 'is gert sack.
"Can't tell how far 'tis but miles and miles back.
For when I left Marlboro these boots was all new
I've wore them all out comin' this far s'know you."

"Oh Lord" says Old Nick "If be far off as that,
Marlboro's a place I shall never be at,
I've been goin' around in a circle" said he,
"For it must have been here that some shepherd I'd see."

Off he goes. Thic wise man he's done Nick by 'is craft
' e near split 'is sides by the manner 'e laughed
They boots and they shoes what 'e slung from 'is sack,
'e looked them all around - they weren't worth taking back.

So, 'e left thik gert pile lying there, y'may know
How in ten thousand years how yer tackle do grow
For they boots an' they shoes they'm a'lyin' there still
An' wi' dirt an' wi' gravel they made Silbury Hill.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Silbury Hill as sung by Fred Wedlock
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Mar 20 - 12:54 PM

Thank you Richard Mellish, yes I did truncate it somewhat, I blame old age.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Silbury Hill as sung by Fred Wedlock
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Mar 20 - 01:23 PM

Thank you, Pete. You put me out of my misery. Great song!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Silbury Hill as sung by Fred Wedlock
From: leeneia
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 11:41 AM

"Lallans, English and Wurzel"

Lallans is lowland Scots. What's Wurzel?

(I know it's German for root.)
=============
Thanks for all the lyrics.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Silbury Hill as sung by Fred Wedlock
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 12:16 PM

Leenia
Wurzel as used in the sense of the post refers to the dialect of Somerset and Wiltshire.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Silbury Hill as sung by Fred Wedlock
From: Brian May
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 02:49 PM

Wow Pete, thanks so much.

By looking at those lyrics and listening to Fred I can work out where he 'adapted' the lyrics - he was a bugger for doing that.

What a lovely man, his gigs were always such fun.

Thank you everyone who contributed, much appreciated.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Silbury Hill as sung by Fred Wedlock
From: leeneia
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 11:49 PM

Thanks for the info, Derrick.

I wonder if that is related to mangelwurzel, another word for swede or rutabaga.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Silbury Hill as sung by Fred Wedlock
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 06:23 AM

Quite likely Leenia,both counties are quite rural,and the locals are often jokingly called simple and gullible or turnip heads.
Wise folk say if you want to find a fool in the countryside you have to take him there


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Silbury Hill as sung by Fred Wedlock
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 08:13 AM

.Oh! Dorset is a'beautiful wherever you go
And the rain in the summer-time makes the wurzel bush grow
When you're sitting in the spring-time in the thunder and the hail,
With your true love, on a turnip plant, to hear the sweet nightingale

From Dorset is Beautiful, lyrics are in the DT


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Silbury Hill as sung by Fred Wedlock
From: leeneia
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 02:32 PM

They must be sturdy bushes, to bear a crop of swedes.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Silbury Hill as sung by Fred Wedlock
From: GUEST,jugmws
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 02:47 PM

On The Folker LP it says "Trad. Arr Wedlock"


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Silbury Hill as sung by Fred Wedlock
From: Brian May
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 05:12 PM

'Trad. Arr Wedlock'

Smacks of all those who thought JC's 'Fiddlers Green' was traditional !!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Silbury Hill as sung by Fred Wedlock
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 05:54 AM

So many times when it says "arranged by" what they really mean is "rearranged by"
I'm still pretty sure Chas Upton wrote the tune for this, but I can find no references to Chas anywhere, apart from one FB post.


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